The beat decision They Made all might was to run off the court at the end of the game! Mark frost is terrible and I don't even know the other guys name!!

Both referees have been selected to represent SA at the National Under 18 Championships.

Gawd please don't encourage the refs to be any softer than they are. Basketball is a tough game our refs are too involved in the game in this state. Go to the Classics or Nationals and see how physically bruising the game is! In little ole SA we play different brand of basketball locally, its called over reffed.

It's not a tough game it's a thugs game and its a thugs game because officials don't get, don't understand, don't read the rules which requires a commodity they do not possess.
Juniors need the best there is to encourage participation in the sport but all parents see Friday nights are behind the play incidents and officials unsure of how to handle games.
ABL has two refs up to the mark with the rest so firmly attached to clubs independent decisions are non existent. No leadership , no accountability just ensured games week in week out. New refs last less time than ever because the mentoring is so poor and green shirts was or is a joke with kids thrown into district div 1 games and officialdom wonder why no one is happy.
Very little respect is merited with a large number of refs actively mouthing off at players and it seems a lot get off on changing the direction of the games. Fairness it seems is just too much to ask.

652 it's not a lack of fitness it's called laziness!

Not sure the names but the black haired fella shows a lack of interest in junior games! If you are umpiring purely for money go work in a pub on friday! If you are umpiring because you are passionate about umpiring then at least put in the effort otherwise let someone else who is passionate about the job to do it!

Blonde haired fella did a good job carrying him last night!

A bit harsh guys and you should not name anyone in a public forum

It's not as harsh as it would be if a CHILD breaks his neck when being man handled in a lay up!

653 hit the nail on the head!

Juno, I started this thread and I've got to say good post! However one thing I think is that just like players some referees must be placed on a pedestal because of reputation not because of performance.

Just because u are selected to umpire at nationals doesn't mean that every performance is good!

Umps in general might become a tad stronger people if they looked at the weaknesses in their games and did something about it. Constantly making the same errors, no calls and siding with the strength is not endearing officials to anyone.
As for the bleating of dedication and commitment, earned spots on Friday etc - it doesn't show.

Players have no recourse for umps that mouth off/swear at them on the quiet during games or on the huge number of no calls that occur. You might call it mistakes and liken it to turnovers/missed passes all you like but you so called integral part of the game people are not great exponents of fairness towards both teams.

In this puerile world of political correctness no one can accuse officials of the one word that way too many of them have earned.

I have never complained about indifferent officials when that indifference is universal. When the above is true you can adapt and the result is fair for both teams. If I have to lose let it be because the other teams was too good not because it gets a leg up from the floor walkers. In every stadium where current and explayers control games, issues will continue.

I have no idea about Fridays game but if like Juno anyone believes refs don't have things against players they must be living on another planet.

Floor walkers...GREAT CALL

Refs need to be more approachable.
To give a technical foul when a coach poses a question in the heat of a game penalizes the team unfairly and is a sign of lack of control.
The calls differ so much between refs. All anyone wants is their children to have a fair game umpired fairly and consistently.

Jack toft.. What about lifting the pivot foot? I think it's an old rule..can't remember what it's called though... ;)

Players miss layups, make turnovers all the time, yes they do and they face consequences like getting dragged and sitting on the bench!!
I can live with umpires making mistakes, but when players are being man handled, hit hard, players taking 4 steps when picking the ball up and nothing is called, and this happens week after week that's why people get annoyed.
What I would like to know is why the Southern coach got a tech when the forestville kid grabbed the ring without the ball then swung himself up in the air?

southern coach always whinges about the refs he might like to concentrate on coaching rather than worrying about the refs go in with the mindset that you are being screwed over and you will cause in your mind that is going to happen so you will see it happening even when it doesn't.

kid grabbed the ring cause to come down he would have come down on players they have the right to protect themselves and others. coach i would have thought got teched by the way he protested. He is disrespectful to all referees whether it be at u23s, u18s or ABA women.

Above post written by a ref that obviously has it in for the coach, but then again that never happens because refs are un biased!!!

If the forestville dude had let go of the rim, then you could say goodbye to the Souther guy's basketball career as he would of got a permanently stuffed back from getting landed on

I thought the Southern coach did a good job not to lose it earlier in the game, he was clearly annoyed with himself after he got the tech and was joking with the blonde ref half way through the last quarter, wouldn't say he was being disrespectful at all, he lets his players have it though I was standing in ear shot of his bench and he was very colorful during timeouts.

889 you could not be further from the truth, why do you see something that is not there. If i say something in support of BSA ergo I work for BSA if I say something in support of refs ergo I am a ref. If i say something in support of Forestville ergo I am a forestville person.

take your blinkers off not all have your bias view of the world.

I would like to see the day when no coach complains about refs.
They all do it.If anyone says otherwise they are not at the games.
Umpires are to precious and cause most of the animosity towards themselves by being unapproachable.
I have seen refs in Div 1 try to incite players who ask the question of the ref as to why the call was made.This is uncalled for if they explained themselves every now and again there would be a lot less grief.
I have umpired several other sports and i am disappointed at the attitude of basketball umpires at this level.
Yes a ref may make a bad call if they are consistent in their interpretation so be it. But to miss hard calls then call soft fouls or penalise a team for questioning a call is soft.

Jono u say under 18s is young men...due to the stupid age grouping system in basketball a 14 year old can be playing u18s!!! 14 year olds being young men..I think not!

It's called boys basketball for a reason!

Until brain transplants and free optical laser surgery is included along with a course in ethics, officials will continue to ruin games with more frequency than Jack's opinions.

How can the refs be under scrutiny when the umpire in charge sat on his rear end talking on his mobile phone all game?? Was probably ringing the police to organise the riot squad

UIC or court supervisor was very visible in his orange shirt in an around the courts didn't see him sit down nor be on his mobile phone

Maybe the refs could ask the players why they made that turnover, or missed that lay up. Ask the coaches why they made that substitution or ran that offence.

They dont, so why should they be allowed to question refs (and yes, I think coaches can do so, at an appropriate stoppage).

I am not a ref, or related to one. Just an interested bystander....

If they can create an iPhone that lets me do everything and anything I want, why haven't they created robots to umpire games! I'm sure they would have better personalities than most of the umpires out there!

Just one thing though, let's make sure when creating these umpiring robots that they have NO allegiances to any local clubs so that there is no CHEATING!!!!

Finally the pollitically incorrect C bomb has been dropped! Hooray!

If referees have no club history where the hell are you getting referees from?

Bring in the Umpbots

Juno
you are a tool
What choice to the boys have. They are made to play that grade because of the stupid age rules.
Any other sport they would still be playing under 16s.
Those born late in the year are penalised because of this.
Yet another reason why this sport struggles against others such as football.

Anon #990

If referees have no club history where the hell are you getting referees from?

I for one played miniball at a local stadium and then started my refereeing from there. No district association at all. I think you will find that there are a number of referees who do this - and choose the refereeing path over the playing path initially. Or may play at a very early age 10s 12s then decide to start refereeing.




In Victoria where they are based on Association model, referees start with one assocation then branch out to statewide. Does this mean a Knox referee will always favour a Knox team? - This is one eyed supporting to the maximum, and some of you think that the majority of referees are bias because of club or assocation affiliation, or any affiliation that you can muster up (this referees brother, goes to school with a boy, who is related to a boy, whose parents have a friend whos son plays for them) - its no wonder why you are such sore losers.


Oh wait this referee lives in the suburb of Marion, so they must, because they have so much suburban pride - blatantly favour South Adelaide... are you actually serious?

Some of you people need a serious reality check

Juno
You are a Ref aren't you??

Juno," teched as he often is" sums it up. Refs react to other refs comments and act accordingly.
As for affiliated refs it's an unpleasant fact that too many refs have family playing,girl and boy friends playing and in some case actually still play themselves for the club and ref at its stadium. In such a small sport officialdom has become incestuous.

Teched twice in a season, once in the grandfinal, the other time by the same ref!!

I'm confused at how at 14 year old is made to play under 18s at 14 even if he turned 15 during 2012 isn't he or she eligbile for u16s why would they be playing 18s?

Hey my birthday is in december and I know that I was always up a year early than someone born in january. Sucks my mother didn't have the foresight to have me on 1/1 for my basketball career but I am totally lost at why a 14 year old is playing 18s?

So Juno your not a Ref how do you know the word has spread about the tigers coach, you hang out with the refs

Doesn't have a good reputation amongst the refs and probably doesn't care either Juno!! His players he coaches love him and a number of players from other clubs have gone to southern for the winter season to be coached by Leigh

Juno u dumb ass! If a child is born in december than at the start of the season he would be 14...he would then turn 15 in summer season and wouldn't be able to play u16 cos he would be turning 16 in that year! You have just shown everyone u have no idea...u must be a ref!

if a player is 14 or not doesnt matter. No matter is playing against kids more then one calendar year older then them.

Under 18 is just a number. Doesn't mean they're playing against 18 year olds!

Juno you have it in for the southern coach don't you??

When did basketball become a popularity contest! Juno, you've shown uhave no idea! Are u the type to go to a game to watch the umpires?

A Sturt parent??

A bloke that needs tO get a life!

A parent and a neutral supporter! In other words a parent of an umpire! Bang! U got nothing Juno!

Bang!

That black haired umpire is useless! I watched him in a game and he didn't get over the half way line once! Further more didn't even look interested! If he thinks he's too good to umpire under 18s then don't umpire it! Let someone else have a go!

There is a goofy type dude..tall umpires at hillcrest and marden... that umpires the under 18s who is far better than that other bloke! Why didn't he get a game?

Razor and Juno..u two are both mates and parents of umpires!

They make up the rules so that no fouls are called so they can get to the pub quicker

Now that u have his attention, is anyone gonna say anything to the coach now??? Razor and Juno anything?

perhaps the only thing that can be said to the coach now is he has some ugly parents that have gotten on here and brought the game down because of it.

Anon, tall goofy ref??

Maybe he should write on hoops during the game -that might stop him from getting a technical foul for acting like a 5 year old who has been told he isnt getting an ice block....

anon above
I dare you to say that to his face!!

Forget the coach, forget the players because this should remain about the lowest standard of refereeing this state has seen for a decade.