what a hatchet job

got a particular axe to grind with West?

want to look at the Woodville girls?

they haven't even got teams

jb, everyone can see it.

Woodville girls are in a deplorable state, but that's not what this thread is about. Yes, West at least have teams in boys age groups, but apart from Under 18s, who have one more good year left, they are not in good shape.

Fine to be defensive about your own club, but ringlord is on the money on this one.

Having div 1 teams across all age groups is not an achievement. Under the ridiculous system we have here in SA, it's an entitlement no matter how bad they are. Fact is that West's boys are in terrible shape. There's no denying that. Look at the ladder positions posted above. That is really a concern.

What the hell are you on about 373 with your inane random dig at Woodville and their President!

It is a sad state indead. West seem to go through this for the last decade. When I went through, with The Dr, Cioffi, Granger, Brewer, Finch, Evans, Jarro and so on we were top. Then it went poor until the next group of Molitor, Rory, Spud etc. Then went poor again until Spear and their team. But I don't think its been than bad before. It is a worry

It is a sad state indead. West seem to go through this for the last decade. When I went through, with The Dr, Cioffi, Granger, Brewer, Finch, Evans, Jarro and so on we were top. Then it went poor until the next group of Molitor, Rory, Spud etc. Then went poor again until Spear and their team. But I don't think its been than bad before. It is a worry

I am not from West but I follow them closely and been involved with some of their kids thru SASI etc.

You have to remember that their u/16s this year had 5 or 6 bottom ages and will be around top 4 again next season. Their u/18s also had 5 or 6 bottom ages and just missed finals and will probably be the bench mark next year in 18s.

So in 6 months time the ladders could look very different and will we say that they are now back on track? They have depth issues but they do keep producing every couple of years or so. Look at their 18 boys team last year, won Summer and went undefeated in winter.

Major problem is the area cannot sustain 3 teams and BSA is to blame for allowing Majic into comp from that area. It was a money grab situation. They should have only ever been allowed to be a feeder to either Woodville or West.

West do have issues and probably need a full time JDO but they will be ok.

Everything goes in cycles.

The other club that are having problems with their boys is Eastern. No U10B1 (understandable with the distance), but no U18B1. Having said that, they have nominated wisely and are doing well in the divisions nominated.

The win rate in DIv 1 Boys (U10 to U18)
Sturt 89%, Tigers 66%, Flames 61%, Eagles 59%, Woodville 49%, Eastern 46%, North 41%, Centrals 40%, South 38%, West 20%.

Jack

Cycles, haha. That has been said for years. It all goes in cycles. bla bla bla

When are Sturt going into a downward cycle???

If by cycle, you mean, the clubs that work harder, smarter and allocate resources better will do well, then yes it goes in a cycle.

So how do you exlpain Sturt increasing its numbers and results when they didnt have a stadium for 2 years after losing the old Sturt stadium?

Or how the same happened when the floor at Pasadena was out of action for 9 months?

And can you explain why your club does not have a full time JDO but you can spend $40K on your senior program?

anon #337351,

The old Forestville stadium hardly consitutes a great venue. And wasnt available for anything other than some sunday trainings. And wasnt available for half the time.

If you think that the decisions that South and Southern/NCT have made are not resonsible for their current position you are delusional. I would agree that Sturt have been a major benificiary but not the cause.

Poaching by BSA definition is done by State coaches.
And if you think any club can claim they have never approached a player be it family/friend or whatever you are joking and turning a blind eye. Name a club, we could all name a recruit.

Finally, court hire, nomination, uniforms, players payments and game nights all cost money for ABA teams. No one can do it for less than $40K.

anon #377358,

I would suggest that Sturts results are good, and that Forestville had a great State Champs. Missing a second Nationals in 10 years hardly means Sturt is slipping.

In the last 5 years Forestville have had a full time JDO and gotten better and better. We will see how they go in the coming 5 years without one.

Magic are still in partnership with west aren't they so what is going on with this program still don't know why eagles have such a pseudo magic connection not connection at all

Magic are still in partnership with west aren't they so what is going on with this program still don't know why eagles have such a pseudo magic connection not connection at all

Wood ville need a fresh approach magic has the magic

BSA virtually killed off the 'agreements' between West and Magic, which once again saw 1 player from Magic attend West Trials.
West are about to announce a new Junior Boys Coaching Director and have a structure behind him to 'rebuild' (hate that word) the program, while continuing to improve the girls program.
Disappointing when good young players are moved by their parents because they are "too good" for the team.

You dont build a structure by announcing it. you build it by building it piece by piece, picking up the pieces when they fall off, eliminating the faulty pieces. whoever west get will have their work cutout over the next few yrs.

Why would a club coaching director not speak to the State Coaching Director?

I think the question is why was your JDO NOT talking to Neil Gliddon.

And what "heat" can BSA bring to bear on Meseke when every club goes out and does the exact same thing?

PS I would assume its not your stadium, and you cant through someone out. And your clubs already tries to do it.

In my experience Sturt doesn't poach. Infact in my experience they encourage kids' parents that approach them to work through their issues at their current club before moving to Sturt.

I can't say the same for others.

Didn't say it was ok. Just that everyone does it and to say only Sturt and Forestville do it is foolish.

I would suggest unless all clubs agreed to stop recruiting from oher clubs. All clubs including Sturt and Forestville will contiue to do it.

The reason i started the topic is because i know a bunch of boys from Magic that were not sure if moving up a division or two would be worth it if they could not get West to help develop their skills to a certain level. I truly didn't wish to put anybody down,or start an argument about the Warriors girls program.

Here's a true story. In May 2010 my wife and I set out to find a basketball club for my 2 sons to train and play with. Neither of us have any basketball experience and so went to google for help. Living in the inner western suburbs I emailed the West Adelaide Basketball Club with my details and seeking advice on how to join. After 2 weeks without a reply I sent another email and again no reply.

Forestville seemed the next closest club to us and so I emailed them. The next day we were sent information from the JDO and my eldest son attended a training trial the next week. Even though it was mid-season, he was playing the following week and both boys are now very happy members of the Eagles. The boys have received excellent training and support from their coaches such as personalised after hours training and and personalised emails to the boys at the end of every game. As a family we now feel very much a part of the Forestville community. Several of their mates have now joined the club as a result.

This is just a one-off experience and it doesn't necessarily mean that Forestville are any better than the Bearcats or other clubs when it comes to junior recruitment. I'm simply recounting my story to reinforce the view, expressed by others here, that getting kids into basketball isn't about zoning or poaching but about hard work - being proactive and responsive. I'm guessing that some clubs are a lot better at others at this and that's why they are more successful.



Grant

Nice teams flip. Sup! Remember that decade was through the mj era where kids flocked to bball stadiums, and outdoor hoops, NBA was on tv, every kid taped the top 10 on NBA action, NBA jam was the game of choice, the playground was the holiday hangout, and the magic was westars at St clair on Saturday mornings.

Now, in this decade the only way to get kids involved is to have recruiting plans, and actively recruit, as bball is behind a lot of other sports/activities. Until this happens a lot of clubs will fall and others with plans will rise or continue to stay on top..... Exception to this is occasionally a couple of freaks walk thru the door, but can't sit around waiting for that.

Just reading your post Doo sounds like an episode of The Wire. But it all sounds right to me.

No point being all analogue in a digital world.

If having the best facilities 'guarantees' success, then why aren't Centrals the best in the state?
From all the stadiums I've been to, STARplex is easily the best, along with Wayville.

And from what I understand, West under 12s boys this season have 2 teams, and almost every single one of them are bottom age or new to district basketball......