Jack
Years ago

Polish Euroleague Club Prokom signs Khazzouh

http://www.euroleague.net/euroleaguenews/transactions/2012-13-signings/i/99390/7224

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LC  
Years ago

Great news and a massive deal as reported in two other threads - but definitely deserves it's own one!

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Isaac  
Years ago

Polish champion Asseco Prokom Gdynia continued its roster building Monday by signing Australian center Julian Khazzouh to a three-year contract.
How secure is a three-year deal in Poland? Still, beats a one-year deal.

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flatshot  
Years ago

maybe better than a deal in greece

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not better than a deal in Greece. The Greek clubs still have about 3-4 times bigger budgets than Prokom does.

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paul  
Years ago

Ignoring the fact only three Greek teams made their payments on time last year, and many are talking of paying them off over three years, outside the big two clubs the average salary in Greece is now reportedly quite a bit lower than the NBL.

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Petros  
Years ago

The reported budgets of the Greek Basket League clubs for the 2012-13 season:


1. Olympiacos - 19.5 million euros

2. Panathinaikos - 18.5 million euros

3. Panionios - 4.5 million euros

4. Kolossos - 4 million euros

5. Kavala - 3.5 million euros

6. PAOK - 3.4 million euros

7. Ikaros - 3.1 million euros

8. KAOD - 3 million euros

9. Aris - 3 million euros

10. Panelefsiniakos - 3 million euros

11. Rethymno Aegean - 2.9 million euros

12. Apollon Patras - 2.9 million euros

13. Peristeri - 2.8 million euros

14. Ilysiakos - 2.5 million euros


That's an average of 5.5 million euros budget per team. In Australian dollars that equals 6.7 million.

So if you want to compare NBL to the Greek League, there you go. The average budget of the Greek clubs is 6.7 million in Australian dollars.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

thats not really a fair indication on averages given two of the clubs account for more than 50% of all wages paid! Any source on where you got these numbers from?

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paul  
Years ago

Those numbers are a fantasy.

A good article by Sports Illustrated looked at how things have deteriorated in Greek basketball, and listed the average salaries for players not with the big two. For a Greek player that was US$50,000 and an import US$130,000, however the number of players who have received their full contracted amount would be quite small.

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paul  
Years ago

Here's a link to the article. The future of the league itself is clouded because its money comes from private owners who are struggling badly and government owned TV networker paying for rights, and the government doesnt have any more money. It really is sad what is happening in Greece, not just to basketball but to everyday life.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/the_bonus/04/12/greek.league/index.html

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Greg  
Years ago

In Greece players are paid in NET INCOME and they get free houses, utilities, and cars, even their kids school paid for.

I am sorry, but that US article is complete nonsense and fantasy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They used to. You obviously havent researched Greece for a while.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The MINIMUM player salary in the Greek League is 45,000 euro net income, or 56,700 US dollars net income.

I am a bit perplexed at how the "average income" can be $50,000 US, when the MINIMUM salary is actually $56,700 US?

The minimum gross salary is 72,580 euros or 91,451 in US dollars.

So if the minimum net salary in the Greek league is 56,700 US and the minimum gross salary is 91, 452 - then how in the hell is the "average" salary for a Greek player only 50,000 US?

That's REALLY perplexing. Especially, when like 90% of the rotation players of the league, on teams other than Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, make between 50,000 to 100,000 euros net income per season.

Bottom line, that Sports Illustrated article is a LIE. PERIOD.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oh and actually, the budgets of most Greek clubs WENT UP since the economic crises, not down. The only clubs' budgets that went down were ones like Panathinaikos, Olympiacos, Aris.

The other club's budgets either stayed the same, or went up, in fact almost all of their budgets went up.

Because.............since the economic crises the tax rates were changed, from 20% to 45$ to generate more revenues. So the clubs have to pay double in taxes, and the clubs in Greece pay the taxes for all their players (Greek and foreign).

So actually, genius, the budgets WENT UP, not down, due to a huge increase in tax costs.

So, you and Sports Illustrated might want to research Greece a little more, since you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So you're pretending that despite the economic crisis the clubs magically found more money! Stop embarrassing yourself.

Taxes going up meant teams paid players less net income because they had to cover more tax cuts. There isn't any money!

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Harvard-educated owner Costi Zombanakis fears it may be too late. "The Greek league is just a reflection of what's going on in Greece. It's falling apart," he said. "Today, we're in an extremely precarious situation because the owners don't have money."


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Anonymous  
Years ago

The rate for athletes making more than about $130,000 has shot up from 21 percent to 45. Most teams can no long cover those taxes, says Alex Politis, a player agent in Athens. He says average salaries for foreign players have dropped by as much as 70 percent.

Alex Politis: And I suppose if it won't stay the same, it will go even lower next season. And I can't really predict what will happen after that.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/greek-basketball-league-post-debt-crisis

Those days of what Wilkins in a 1998 interview called living "like a king" are over, according to Stefanou, the agent in Athens.

“Now teams will be asking the players to contribute to their living costs,” Stefanou said. “If the players want a bigger house, they will have to pay for it themselves.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/sports/basketball/26iht-BASKET.html?_r=1

by 2002 it was obvious that the party would soon be over. That was the last season where the Greek League was truly competitive

http://euro-step.net/2012/08/crisis-management-the-greek-way/

The Greek Players Unions, PSAK, has released a list of all Greek A1 teams in terms of them paying their players. Just two clubs have paid all their players to the cent while there is a team which has not paid its players for six months.

http://www.talkbasket.net/5815-best-and-worst-paying-greek-clubs.html

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The current minimum salary in the Greek League is 50,000 euros net income for all players 26 and up.

It's 21,800 euros net income for all players 22-25.

It's 15,000 euros net income for all players 18-21.

The Sports Illustrated article is a complete lie and fiction. It's not even possible.

That article is TOTALLY FALSE.

The MINIMUM salary for players 26 and older is currently 50,000 euros net income.

And in case you wonder, for the teams other than Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, the average American salary is 80,000 euros net income.

Bottom line, anyone that believes the claims in that Sports Illustrated article is a moron.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Definition of a moron:

a) Anyone who thinks Greek basketball teams budgets have gone up while their country is going through one of the biggest financial meltdowns the world has seen in modern times.

b) Anyone who thinks a 'minimum wage' means anything when only a very small proportion of clubs pay their players what is on their contract.

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