It's only 4.14 in Tville and mine screen says starting shortly. Should start in about 10 mins

think about it - NBL says 7:30pm local time is game time. That's 5:00pm Adelaide time.

ok but I didn't know the NZ time difference and I would have thought that if it says 1630, that would be either Adelaide time or at least EST

seems it is QLD time

Yeah haha, pretty sure it's 5pm start in Adelaide. I thought it was 4:30 too

Either way, it's time to watch some ball.
First time watching live streem - the replay quality was reasonable earlier watching Cairns v Townsville

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10 seconds into the game for me and the Stream has already died.

Pretty sub-par service thus far two weeks running.

yup, shit gain. is on/off constantly. I have the fastest net you can get, and it isnt working properly. I want my money back

Schenscher blocked twice already. Hope we don't have to get used to this.

Stream is working perfectly for me and my office connection isn't brilliant.

my stream starts and stops so i am clicking the 'live' arrow and that causes it to restart.

garbage that the start time is 4:30, it should read 7:30. They are using Melbourne timing clocks for everything, and it is the reason i believe they are having game replay issues.

Pretty poor quality tonight and was freezing in the first few mins. Bit darkish too

Stop / start stream for me. Any suggestions?

Thank God for Johnson and Petrie - otherwise this would be looking very ugly.

Massingale is nervous. Been waiting so long for his NBL turn I guess.

Love Petrie.

Knew Hudson would be a problem for us - that inside, mobile, hustle, bread-and-butter big.

It's improved for me now. It's actually streaming but I'm fairly sure that I'm about 2 minutes behind the action.

Skip, I tried the restart of the stream a few times and it didn't make all that much of a difference.

21 - 17, Breakers up at end of the 1st.

Dammit Shenscher.

Sixers need to learn how to rebound

Pre-season rebounding weakness now getting exposed again.

*sigh*

Wild Layup from Luke.

Other note: clearly our weakness to full court pressure hasn't been patched yet.

There you go Luke. Hustle to recover your miss and power that shit through!

Schenscher was the most blocked player in the league last season and he's at least been up there for the past few seasons. He is well overrated and his impact on the team will be even less in this team than at the Crocs. They have run nothing through him so far and with the personnel Adelaide have, I can't see Schensch doing anything but 8 points and 5 rebounds (being very generous on the boards) at about 40-45% from the field. In terms of reputation of a quality player, he has definitely coasting off making it into the NBA all those years ago.

We are playing like crap,

and its 26 all ?!?

Gibson 0/5 from the field. Expect that to turn around at some stage

8 Turnovers for the Breakers.

Unfortunately getting negated by the poor shooting.

Breakers are out rebounding the 36ers at the defensive end! NZ 11 OR to 36ers' 9 DR. I don;t have a feed. Is it lack of effort or getting caught out of position by NZ offence?

PeterJohn - Combination of bad positioning and being out hustled.

Luke seems to have butterfingers at the moment. It's the perimeter shooting that's keeping us in touch right now.

Thanks Big MArty. I see Johnson, Schenscher and Gibson combined are 3/21. Ouch!

UGLY

Someone needs to get the ball off Petrie and Johnson in the backcourt

I expect the Clarke bashing to return in 3.....2.....1....

Poor shooting and rebounding, Gibson needs to step up. DJ is always soft whenever he plays against NZ.

Terrible Unsportsmanlike foul on DJ. If Mika didn't cry then they wouldn't have called it.

Can't believe they called the unsportsmanlike on dj that was a joke.
Tired of the bias commentary always out of nz,
And nz have 28 boards Nd we have 14
Cant see us getting the win

Second game together, on the road in NZ, played terrible but are only down 7 at the half. Don't worry just yet.

I think at this point I'm just going to give up on the NZ based games because streaming for those is shocking.

Pledger is going to have a monster game tonight; typical number of no-calls on the Vukona/Boucher holding and screen.

Can someone tell me what happened to cradling the ball before going for a layup? So many blocks and denials at the rim because they don't go in with two hands.

DJ getting decent position, then trying to serve up the ball like a Waiter.

We knew going into this game that there would be low shooting percentages, the NZ rims are cringeworthy and always have been. CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK

1. Schenscher is getting smashed. Don't force up shots, get those damn rebounds and don't let them slip under you!

2. NZ had a wide open three with no defenders anywhere near him, and then got the offensive rebound under the basket! Where are you Adelaide?

3. NZ are smashing Adelaide 28-18 in rebounds. I'm disgusted, we have two seven footers! 12 Offensive rebounds to NZ, that is shocking by Adelaide. Points in the paint are 22 for NZ, we're getting slaughtered!

4. Weigh is shooting well again, Johnson, Petrie our other decent players tonight

The only way to win this game is by defence and rebounds, you'll never win purely on the offensive end against NZ in NZ with those clunky rims.

or the running CJ Bruton screen was another great one.

Either way Sixers have to play better. Weigh has to stop being scared to drive when his 3 gets cut off

Outrebounding NZ 3-0 in this quarter! Everythings coming up Milhouse!

SCHENSCHER GET OUT. This is just horrendous from him tonight

Our bigs are soft aye.

Petrie is the exception

The Gold Coast boys know how to defend and get us back in it

At least Schenscher is making second efforts,
but yes
Petrie is the one who is not soft..

What's up with Vasiljevic not getting any time?

Definitely not good enough to be on unless someone is in foul trouble or junk time.

Schenscher was on for 1 minute at the end of the 3rd quarter and still stuffed it. Petrie is on FIRE

Spursfan, perhaps for the same reason he hasn't got barely any court time over his career.

This is all to familiar.

This is all to familiar.

Few things going their way - bugger. Weigh helping keep Abercrombie quiet.

Wow what a fizzer

Now that's more like it.

They will get better as the season goes on but the manner in which Adelaide lost this game is troublesome.

rebounding is still a big problem.

Although it's a little early in the season to be calling for Marty's head, the questions have to be asked:
How do things go so bad so quickly? How is it possible to cough up a 3/4 time lead and lose so badly?

Seriously, is it the uniform? Why does it not matter who is playing for us, they always fall apart when challenged?
To lead at 3qtr time, then go 15-2 to start the last is PATHETIC.
Great effort in the third quarter, but it counts for nothing if you can't back it up and finish it off.
New year, same old Sixers.

Massingale played 3 minutes? WTF? Injured I assume?

I gotta ask why call a timeout when almost 5 mins is played and we've scored 2 to the breakers 14? wouldnt it have been better to call a timeout when the margin was around 6-8 points? clsrke seems to leave it so late.

its really disappointing when you fly all the way there, the team plays 3 quarters of spirited ball and u have a coach who doesnt think.

hopefully he's on the same flight as me tomorrow morning! (clarke)

NZ too good in the last quarter. We just panicked in offense.

I can't believe we have two great ball handlers in Gibson and Cadee and we are still struggling to get it past half way.

I don't understand what we are doing with Crosswell. We have two capable ball handlers in Cadee and Gibson so if one of them are on then it makes Crosswell redundant with no offensive game. Instead CJ should be on with Gibson/Cadee run the point. We need to get CJ's confidence up. When the game was over in the 4th CJ should have been on not Crosswell

lol @ the people that bet on Adelaide. One out of my 4 game multi complete. DJ was terrible.

Very poor quality in the first half, but they seem to have got their act together in the second because the quality wasn't too bad. Schencher just dished up for your team what he did for ours in the last two seasons for us. He has one good game and then he's bad. A lot of people here were glad to see him go. He either misses his hook shot, can't catch the ball under the basket, steps or fouls. When does the next game start on NBL TV does anyone know.

I can't believe we have two great ball handlers in Gibson and Cadee and we are still struggling to get it past half way.

I don't understand what we are doing with Crosswell. We have two capable ball handlers in Cadee and Gibson so if one of them are on then it makes Crosswell redundant with no offensive game. Instead CJ should be on with Gibson/Cadee run the point.

Pero averages 5ppg and 4rpg over his career.

I remember getting rubbished for saying that Schensher is not the best Centre in the league. Good to see Hudson and Pledger have a good game after getting smashed by the Wildcats.
Isaac, I thought it was more a case of Abercrombies ankle keeping him quiet rather than Weigh, may be wrong as I didn't catch the whole game. He just looked a bit tentative when driving and didn't look like he was pushing off hard.

And I thought that was Schencher's worst game I've ever seen Luke play against Melbourne, forget about some rebounds, he fumbled and dropped lots of ball last week and lets not talk about all the misses right near the basket, looks like this (lack of) form has continued.

Was Luke still wearing all that strapping on his shoulder and leg this week? I suspect that he is carrying some injuries that are affecting him. Even uninjured and at his best though, Big Red has always had his limitations. Petrie is a far better player.

Haven't watched the game yet, but can't say I'm surprised that the Kiwis came out hard and smashed us on the boards. Apart from Petrie, we are pretty soft in the frontcourt.

I am surprised to hear that we struggled with their press though. Between Gibbo, Crosswell and Cadee, we should've been able to manage.

To the people who went to the game (if any), can you explain Massingale's night?
For him to only play 3:44, he must have been injured? Noone has mentioned it.
Was he really that pathetic that he only warranted the 1 run? He checked out at quarter time with 1 missed shot, 1 turnover, 1 foul and 1 block and didn't return. That makes his season totals 3 turnovers, 2 fouls and one of everything else but 0 steals. In 16 minutes of play, even the most useless of 10th men would expect better numbers than that.
If he wasn't injured, you'd have to assume he will be heading home soon. Import or not, we can't afford to have 2 players of our 10 being unused. Especially when we also have Crosswell who doesn't really have a place in the team either.

Eli1, Clarke actually did call a timeout when the margin was 7 points.

Just watched the last quarter. That was just the Cedric Jackson show, aided and abetted by some atrocious passing by the Sixers.

A big problem thus far this season is that Gibson seems the only guard who can make anything happen. Cadee was disappointing in that last quarter and Crosswell did nothing either.

Need another guard to step up, because you could see that Gibson was a bit gassed late in the 4th quarter.

Are people seriously blaming Clarke for Schenscher struggling offensively? That's on Luke, IMO. Coaching and positioning isn't getting him blocked or struggling to get a clean shot up.

Ced Jax won them that game, check out his contribution at the start of the 4th

Assist
Steal
Steal
Assist
Defensive rebound
3 pointer
2 pointer
Missed FT
Offensive Rebound
3 pointer
Steal
2 pointer

Turned a 1pt deficit into a 17 point lead in less than 5 minutes. A class above.

My main thoughts..........

-It is troublesome we look a lot better with Petrie at the 4 and DJ at the 5
-We're struggling with the guard rotations. Cadee isn't getting his team mates involved enough, Gibson looks better at the 1 than the 2, Crosswell is getting very spotty minutes (sometimes as the off guard), Massingale is getting very limited opportunities.
-Weigh barely got a look tonight after such a good first up game.

Let's not panic yet. The team has undergone a massive overhaul, including 3 new starters but even in the win the above stood out. It's up to Clarke now to work out how manage the roster.

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Yeah, Luke has been terrible offensively so far. Clarke couldnt really play him because the game was just too quick for him in both the open and half courts.

The best five I think is Johnson, Petrie, Weigh, Creek, Gibson. Schenscher brings something different and draws some defenders, but can be a bit limited.

Great game by Petrie, he and Gibson are fast becoming my favourite 36ers, i would be quite happy to see them both in 36ers uniforms for a long time.

How good is Cedric Jackson, all teams would love to have him, he is my MVP over the last 2 years.

Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, as no real shock/shame losing to NZ in NZ, as much as we would have loved to beat them, but id change the rotations and starting 5 to this.

C Johnson - I havnt minded him at PF, happy for him to spend time there, i would just rather start Petrie over Schenscher

PF Petrie - easily our 2nd best big to start the season, brings some much needed toughness to the team, and is playing way better than Schensch, so lets reward him with a start and more minutes

SF Weigh has had a good start to the season, far more efficient and not forcing the issue, which is good, still reduce his mins to around 25 unless he is on fire like the Tigers game.

SG Creek - to me out of Cadee, Creek, Massingale, Creek is the most proven at NBL level, he also brings more toughness energy and defence to the team, id like Cadee to out play him and earn the starting spot back, wasnt sure why he was just handed it in the first place, especially when we have Gibson

PG Gibson - best pg on the team by miles, best Aussie pg in the league and one of the better pgs in the NBL full stop, so lets use him at PG, id like him to basically play pg for his entire court time, let Cadee learn from the 2 spot and take over more as his form warrents. The only way Gibbo should be playing more of a SG role imo is if we sign someone like Cedric Jackson to play PG along side of him.

Bench

PG/SG Cadee - still play him around 20 mins but make him earn his minutes and outplay Creek to get his starting spot back, if he can.

SF Massingale - he will actually play SG, with Creek sliding to SF, but we need to play him atleast 15-20 mins a game and give him a few shots, best to have him prove early if he can be atleast as good as a Ng/Herbert ie scoring 8-10pts at a decent clip in around 15 mins, not asking miracles, but if he cant do that, it may be best to try another import, we cant have a 10 point player not playing. Lets find this out early in the season, throw him in the deep end a bit and see what he has got. I dont think we can really judge him atm as he hasnt played enough.

PF/C Schenchser - obviously he will play C when on the court. Would like to see him average around 10 points at a decent clip, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks, he needs to do that to justify the points and $$ we are spending on him. Id bring him off the bench until he outplays Petrie or Johnson, no one should be gifted starting spots. He has been ok on the boards and defensively, but needs to lift offensively, as he doesnt play Vukona type defense to cover for the lack of offense.

Id basically run those 8, all given 20+ mins.

Crosswell and Pero nothing against you guys, but in a 40 min game i think rotations are better limited to 8, so would just give these guys court time when foul trouble/injuries occur or in a blow out or if one of our main guys is having a shocker.

Anyway a 1-1 start is what most would of expected in all honestly given our draw. So not too worried, just hope we make some adjustments now and beat Cairns at home, and not let this season slip away by giving Cadee and Schenscher roles bigger than there form warrents and underplaying others.

Hi guys I see the Adelaide players as puppets, I mean in over 2 seasons, every single timeout, Clarke is constatly using his whiteboard, you would think they would know most plays by game time. Is this too critical or do sixers fans see what I see.

Have to agree with big Marty though, playing in NZ is like travelling to the most remote country location during a C grade football season. The oval is shot, the fans are feral and the refs basically let the home team get away with murder coz they are too intimidated to call anything against them. Yeh, we played badly in spots but giving the home team a 5-10 point head start due to "letting it go" at one end (Boucher, Vukona etc) makes ya just wanna write that game off as a joke and concentrate on the real season when you get home. And then the thug has the audacity to have a cry when HE gets landed on his arse during a rebound tussle.

Didnt see the start of the last quarter BeanTown.
My fiancee told me i got back to the seat at 5;50 left in last. Bar and toilet so much more important when travelling away.

Oops

It appeared that we played average all game but some how kept in touch with them.

.....for the first 3qtrs. At 3 qtr time I thought we had them. If Creek Dogg didnt converted those 2 free throws at the end of 3rd. We would have ben punped and firing in the 4th. Not sure what the hell happened to lose the final qtr by 15???

Sixers kept in touch because the Breakers weren't playing too much better. Travels, shitty passes and low shooting percentages kept it close till the last quarter.

Gibson again failed to trouble Cedric Jackson.

Anon #383016, the intentional foul on Vukona was intentional,he did it a second too early when Cadee was about to go up for it and he wrapped his arms around him. If Vukona waited a second and actually contested the shot properly he wouldn't have been called for it. Definitely wasn't malicious but the call was right.

The one on Johnson the umpires got fooled a little bit.

I think you need to take off your Kiwi glasses

They were both Intentional Fouls and both got dealt with accordingly.

Jason, do you watch games from other teams? Every coach is in timeouts with a whiteboard drawing plays.

Also, late in that game, although Clarke was demonstrating a play on the whiteboard, if you listen, he was also telling his players to trust their instincts and make a different play if the set they're running looks like being shut down.

I reckon Phil Smyth would be a good coach for this roster. Anyway, I didn't have a problem with Marty Clarke's rotations and coaching against NZ.

What is alarming though, is the difference in sheer effort levels and defence that the ex-GC players bring which the other 36er players aren't doing

Saw a quote from Marty Clark that "if Schenscher wasnt double teamed he would score fifty". not being double teamed and could take him 10 games to score fifty at this rate. Great motivation for his oponents, pressure on Schenscher - dumb thing to say.

I didn't watch the game on NBL tv, but it seems the Sixers were in the mix at 3 Qtr time.

Most people will agree that the chances of the Sixers winning the game were low, but had a good chance of pulling off an upset.

The first 2 minutes of the quarter were OK, but the next 2 and a half .... enter Cedric the Slayer, who single handedly won the game for the Breakers. By the time the timout was called, they Breakers went from +1 to +12. After the time out they lead went from +12 to +14.

So what happened in those 2 1/2 minutes? It started with a foul on Abercrombie who made both FT's.
Turnover by DJ, steal by Cedric, 3PM to CJ, assist Cedric
Sixers possession, 2PA by Weigh, rebound Cedric the Brave
Vukona fouls DJ, no shot off
On Sixers next possession, Gibbo 2PM, Weigh assist (margin 4 to Breakers and still anyone's game)
On Breaker's next possession, Cedric the Lucky get 3PM.
6:38 to go: Breakers +7, still anyone's game, Marty calls timeout (the smart thing to do)
First possession back, Petrie 2PA, Pledger rebounds
Their possession now, Boucher 2PA, but Corletto gets the OR, they go again, Cedric "Eagle Eye" Jackson 2PM. At 5:54 it's Breakers by +9 (still anyone's game) but Gibbo has fouled Jackson and so he gets a bonus throw that he misses, but get the OR and converts the chance into a 3PM (+12)

Time out called. For rest of game, looked pretty even.

So, I would say that a patch of pure genius by Cedric "The Sixer Slayer" was probably the only real difference in the two teams on the night. During those 2 and a half minutes he would have been harder to stop than an ex-wife with your credit card on a shopping spree in New York with her sister and best friend.

Even though I was optimistic for the Sixers to get the win heading over to New Zealand, the reality of the situation was that I was expecting a single figure loss against the back-to-back champs.
I didn't see the game live, but I watched the replay on NBL.tv, and noticed something about the way Schenscher was playing in the post.

He would get the catch in a reasonable position to make some kind of post move and more often then not he would turn back to the middle of the key for his shot.
The Breakers defenders seemed to pick up on this pretty quickly and Hudson/Vukona/Pledger were hedging towards the middle of the key while Schensch had his back to the basket, and yet I didn't see a point where he was aware of this and would turn to the baseline and have an open shot.

People on here which are blaming the lack of production from Schenscher on the coaches are ridiculous. The coaches can call the plays which lead to post touches but the entry passes, post moves, scoring and general effort all fall squarely on the players who are on the floor.

Put simply, it seems like Luke doesnt have a left hand.

Ricky could catch though....

There is a vast difference between a perimeter guy who has speed and a face up game only having one strong hand and a post guy with the same. The outside player spends a lot of time facing the basket and they take a lot of jumpers where this matters little. Schenscher spends all his tim with his back to the basket and almost always turn over his left shoulder to his right hand. His defender just sits there waitingfor it to happen and all he needs to do is drop step or up and under back to his left. You would think after all the years in juniors, college and as a pro he would be ably to make those basic moves to his left. There is no excuse for him to not be able to do so.

Ricky Grace didn't need to use his left hand, he was a legend on his right alone

I think you mean legend on his left hand KET.

Yeah.

Jack Toft, Ced was brillant all night.

But to say "So, I would say that a patch of pure genius by Cedric "The Sixer Slayer" was probably the only real difference in the two teams on the night"

At the end of the day, it is a 40 minute game.

Those steals that Ced got were thanks to some pretty average basketball from the 36ers.
Blame the 36ers for that! Don't just put it down to 'oh the other team was better than us'

- Weigh should have got the DR off the FT. To give up an OR to the opposition on a FT is unacceptable

-Gibbo's turnover to Ced, that led to Ced's dunk was just bad ballhandling.

-Gibbo fouled Jackson and sent him to the line for the bonus.

From those 3 plays, Ced scored 7 points.

So I wouldn't say Ced won it single handedly and that he would be harder to stop than your ex-wife with your credit card.

At the end of the day, he simply made the most of the opportunities that presented him because of the 36ers elementary (and unacceptable) mistakes.

If the 36ers continue to make those mistakes a number of players in the league could do the same damage if given those opportunities..Lisch, Ervin, Crawford

Maybe, like other seasons, we just need 6-7 weeks to gel?

Cedric Jackson Vs Gary Ervin NSEC next week. Can't wait to these two go at it.

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Macdub, he was genius all night, those 2 and a half minutes turned the game.

A lot can be achieved in a minute!

Imagine if Jackson hit his FTs

Alot can be achieved in a minute...

If you give the opposition an opportunity like the 36ers did.

Maybe the redbacks went out there for the fourth quarter.

I don't think the issue is so much Luke's handedness or being double teamed, but from the two games so far it seems that he doesn't really jump when looking to score, and isn't measured with his approach. Not jumping means that he's susceptible to athletic shotblockers (Walker and Rush from the Tigers, Vukona, Jackson and Abercrombie from the Breakers) negating any height advantage he had. And having no finesse on his moves means he's flailing more than he's shooting. A couple of his attempts have simply not looked like the work of someone who's been playing basketball as a seven footer for as long as he has.

He showed enough in the pre-season to score a bit and have Boti talking him up, but maybe the pressure of the real season has got to him?

The second half in NZ was lost 37-30. For our failings in the fourth quarter, we had success in the third keeping them to just 10 points. Not worth a panic, but there are definitely a few things to work on.

I'd consider starting Petrie, using Luke as a decoy on offense for a bit when he comes in, and let the steady hands do the work until Luke and CJ can start finding their place. I'd be riding Petrie hard because he's an excellent player. Can't see why he can't become something akin to a Worthington for us.