So are they up to be voted in at the AGM?
How long have they been around??? Until now I had never heard of them.
If they have only been around for 3 minutes I personally think the league should wait until they have a proven history of being able to compete at Big V level.
Look what happened with Darebin. They were only a couple of years old, entered the Big V and then went broke after 2 seasons.
Surely at some point sustainabilty of the program must be thoroughly investigated.
Anon, any club should show a history and pattern of success in juniors before moving to BigV. If their U18's and U16's are doing well, and if they have good numbers in lower age groups, then they have the basis for a submission. If their under age teams are languishing in the lower regions of the VJBL - then think again. The league also used to factor in success at MMBL. I know nothing about this club so won't comment, but there are a few things you can look at.
D1 and D2 are better than domestic - thats just too easy an accusation to throw out. Most teams in Melbourne domestic comps don't train together, just get together and play, run up and down and shoot the 3 etc.
Oakliegh did not play MMBL this season as they 'didn't have enough committed players who were good enough'
I really hope the league sees common sense and dosen't allow ANOTHER small Metro club into a league that desperately needs to get some more country clubs.
I feel until there are some more country sides they should hold off on more metro teams.
Also why change the name from Wolves?? To the best of my knowledge there are no other associations with the name Wolves. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Agreed! Surely the Big V has to stop putting in Melbourne clubs and start looking towards the return of some of the country clubs who have had an important part play in making the Big V what it is.
I hoipoe the Big V realise this before it goes to the point of becoming a metro comp.
A few facts.
The Oakleigh Warriors have its history going back to 1995 and won't be changing the name, we are kind of attached to it.
We have plenty of juniors. In fact we have a bigger and better junior base than many current BIG V clubs. We have produced two VC teams in past 2 years, will produce another one this year and are aiming for at least three next year.
Since moving into GESAC their membership numbers have exploded with growth of 600%
They are not paying anybody and building their squad around their youth and some locals. They will enter the BIG tourney in 2013 and prepare through the MMBL for a 2012 submission.
We are club definetly on the move, that once in will develop into a force in the BIG V. Should have been granted entry this year IMO. A years more preperation won't hurt.
Being built from the ground up by Bob Mann and his coaching staff, it will be exciting when it happens.
Warrior Boy, in the 1990's the Oakliegh team was known as the Wolves. I know that for a fact and can even show you what the old uniform looked like as I have one.
The nick name 'Warriors' is from a domestic club that was at McKinnon called 'Garden State Warriors'. When Bob Mann was shafted by McKinnon, and he was even tho i dont really like the guy, he took them to the Oakleigh Rec Centre that was run by the monash council and came to power through the 'AGM' that was able to be held for the first time in years. The Oakliegh Association then incorporated the members, uniform and nickname of the G.S.Warriors.
Bob then had the inside running for the the Glenn Ira stadium through information gained when working for McKinnon.
Dont get on here too often but after post above I thought I would go straight the horses mouth and hunted down Bob for his version of events. He is always up for a talk about bball.
Oakleigh used to be known as Wolves, but the new exec chose to go with the Warriors, as all their kids who were going to play rep had warrior uniforms already.
When Bob and his crew went to the AGM nobody turned up so they were elected, there was no coup, in fact quite the opposite had Bob and his supporters not dropped in for the AGM, Oakleigh would have folded. Since then it has gone from strength to strength.
In three years they have gone fron 40 members to 850, from four rep teams to 18, have had teams qualify for VC already and have more set to do so, have secured GESAC and yes they beat Keysie by 2 points in front of a packed house of 300 people.
BIG V where are you you should be knocking on their door to replace Horsham, great venue, competitive team, great passionate supporters and a great junior program thats is just getting better. Put them in!!!!
To champ - Not sure if bringing a club back from the dead and getting them to play top level basketball is disrespecting it's past, rather than securing it's future. Do you know Bob? he is a champion bloke in my opinion who has worked miracles at two clubs now. He didn't hesitate to answer my questions.
Out of curiosity whats your beef with him?
Big V needs to stop bringing in new clubs and focus on building brand strength and quality. The level of competition is slowing dropping off and needs to be addressed. The merging of SEABL DL and YL is a great thing and will strengthen that comp as well as Champ but D2 and YL2 are weak and are based on participation models.
All I can say is well done Bob Mann was wondering when you would turn up again. Have worked with Bob before and did not always see eye to eye. I have to say one think I know about Bob is he loves basketball and will not rest until he gets back to the Big V
I saw that game against Keysborough (who were at full strength) The Oakliegh team was missing 2 guys who would have been in the starting 5. With those 2 and more game time they would have beaten them by at least 15-20 points. I'm not bagging Keysborough as I think they are v good but this proves to everyone that Oakliegh should be in the league (and probs Divy 1). All the players in the team had committed to playing for Oakliegh for the year and now have missed out on playin for the club at in Big V
Why are people bagging Bob? He works so hard to help promote the sport. We should be supporting him. The only reason Oakliegh is not in Big V is cos McKinnon don't want them in as they are a threat to them. People from McKinnon are involved in running the Big V
If Oakliegh were serious about going into the league for 2014 and game against Keysborough was a bigger success than the Sydney Olympics, there are plenty of Big V, VYC, YL teams that can't find a game, when is their next game?
Surely they would be having a few of them.
Please let us know.
can people with inside the Oakleigh club please keep us in formed with the senior team is playing as I am sure a lot of bobs old foes would love to get down and support him
Here is an intresting situation Bob Mann and Bill Raunchy get together what a great starting pair for any club
Yes I know Bill is at Sandringham was just a thought
That could be true Ariel but imagine a club with Bill Raunchey and Bob Mann together united want to join the Big V do you believe the League would say no to that much experience in developing, recuriting, administrating and genenerally running a basketball club ...lots of years experience
Nice to see some support for the Oakleigh Warriors and Bob Mann.
However I feel the need to dampen expectations. In the game against Keysie, the Warriors had rings in to help their young squad in Ivan Platenik from Waverley and Shawn King and Darren best from Chelsea.
Those three were simply doing Bob a favour in suiting up. They are not committed to the Warriors for the next twelve months as said in a previous post. Would be nice if they were.
While entered in the BIG V tournament, the Warriors will be going in with an extremely young squad, as their older players all have other commitments over the long weekend. They are playing in the tournament apparently as they have been told this is one of the things they need to do to gain entry into BIG V. That and play in the MMBL.
Strange criteria, but you do what you have to. They will play in the tournament but the team will bear little resemblance to the team that they will enter ultimately into the BIG V.
Bob's intentions are to mix a talented young squad with some more experienced bodies and minds to build a competitive squad as he did in his years at McKinnon. So don't expect a lot form the boys this weekend, they will certainly compete hard but will probably struggle against older and stronger teams.
Anybody looking for a game should contact Bob his details are on their website at www.warriorsbasketball.org
One thing I do agree with posters above it will be great to see Bob Mann treading the boards again.
BTW who are the people from McKinnon involved in running the BIG V? If that's the case they should not be involved in assessing the Oakleigh application, it should be judged on it's merits alone.
Yes was a battle, but as posted earlier, most of the side they would have liked field in this tournament were away and they were forced to play pretty much their U18 squad and nealy all of them were bottom age so turning 16 this year.
So Boys versus Men really and the results showed.
Had competitive efforts against Keillor and Coburg but really struggled against Casey and Hawthorn youth who pressed them throughout the match and the Oakleigh Guards just gave up the ball.
Had to play the tournament though to be considered for 2014, though they didn't really want to as they knew a lot of their squad would be unavailable over the weekend.
Hope that isn't held against them for their submission for 2014 as that would be a little ridiculous, considering only two and possibly three of this squad would go on to play for them at BIG V level in 2014.
So, if that is the case Oakliegh should wait until their players are men before entering them in a men's comp.
If all you could put on the floor were 16 year olds then you should not be applying. What are you going to do? Poach players from other clubs????
Seriously why bother? Just wait. Please don't go taking players from other clubs for your first year.
To "The Truth", I don't spend my entire life on forums, just come back to them every week or every second week.
However, what a silly comment about poaching players.
(1) As though it doesn't happen already
(2) As Anonymous said Reply #409634 reread my
previous posts, it was pretty clear on why
we entered with such a young squad.
(3) We have plenty of older/more experienced
players set to play, some with previous BIG V
experience, some from their domestic open age
comps and none currently playing BIG V.
(4)If/When accepted and we hold tryouts and
players from other clubs come knocking on our
door because they are not happy at current
clubs, do you expect them to turn them away.
Players only leave clubs if they are looking
for greener pastures. If they are happy they
wont go. If there wasa no poaching criteria in
BIG V, there would be no BIG V. Happens every
While we struggled in the tournament, the addition of more experienced players and bigger bodies will change things dramatically for us. One thing we did note was that the standard of Div 2 men's wasn't what it was even only a few seasons ago judging by what we saw.
Finally a number of our older players had all bought tickets to future for that long weekend and weren't available, that saw seven players who would normally play unavailable. A fair chunk out of any team.
There is also some murmurings of an import. Will have to wait and see on that one.
To Anonymous on reply #411131, has any other club in BIG V ever had to endure such a condition. That so silly it's hard to believe you are even posting it.
If we conduct tryouts which will happen (like every other club will) and a player comes to us who isn't getting minutes at his current club and is looking for an opportunity elsewhere to further his basketball, you would seriously want that player denied that chance through us?
Or even a major player not happy with his current arrangement lobbed in on our tryouts and wanted a game, you are seriously saying we shouldn't be able to look at him for our roster?
If your club had to sign such a condition what would it say?
All a little silly.
lol, some of the crap that gets put onto forums is very amusing.
Also amazing how this thread just keeps on going. No I'm not Bob Mann though I get plenty of info from him. I don't need to be that bald or fat at my age (no disrespect to Bob). I simply read the initial post and responded to a request with info about the club.
To Anoynomous, to me that proposal you are putting forward is simply stupid. Simple question would all other clubs have that restriction to their tryouts?
If not, then how can clubs compete on a level playing field when some clubs have no restrictions while other clubs do?
If you think this is "fair" then our understanding of that word is vastly different.
Not really an issue at our end anyway, as I said previously, players are being drawn from both junior ranks and open age comps conducted by Oakleigh, but the club will no doubt hold tryouts if accepted into BIG V, which is their main focus first and foremost.
We will cross the bridge of tryouts and new players then, at which time I am pretty sure Bob will want to have a pretty settled squad by then.
A laughable comment about Tom Burns and Nick Richards. Both now playing happily at Chelsea, doubt either would think about going to Oakleigh and they certainly haven't spoken to anybody at the club about it. For heavens sake the club hasn't even been accepted into the BIG V yet
As for the gimp who put "well poached". Pretty cheap shot, have the guts to name one player that you believe has been poached. Be even more gutsy and name the club you are involved with.
All our players have been developed from local ranks or rejected by other clubs and have come to Oakleigh looking for another shot.
At the same time we have certainly lost players to other clubs in dubious circumstances.
Be back in a week, to provide any more feedback if required.
Been a while.
Some quick answers to post above.
We played that game against Keysie and we then played the BIG V tournament and have been playing MMBL since, as asked by the BIG V.
Since other clubs are in the middle of their BIG V season, I don't think anybody would be interested in exhibition games while "in-season". If they are they should contact the club.
Not sure either that McKinnon would be interested due to their politics, hopefully that will happen in a BIG V season in near future. It would certainly draw a bumper crowd.
I would have stayed with three divisions - it bridges the gap between MMBL and CBL much better. the best team in CBL wanting to move up can likely do that without recruiting the crap out of other programs.
Here is the problem they have right now. The third placed team in Terrill is 5-7. The LAST placed team in Watson has the same record. Conveniently, they played each other yesterday and the supposedly improved Geelong (cannot believe they have forked out for an import at D1) beat Warrandyte by 3 points with the import scoring 35 for Geelong according to the boxscore.
So far little problem - except - who do you relegate if this trend continues? The last placed team in each conference, or the two with the worst record? The ones with the worst record might theoretically have had a disadvantaged draw - they might have drawn the top four from the other group for example..
You cannot work promotion and relegation properly with conferences unless you have really stupid conferences like the SEABL do!
So HO, you would like to see a level playing field and even competition, correct...?
This is basketball may friend, not going to happen mate!
If conferences are done correctly they should create an opportunity for some cash savings, less travel and more rivalry.
Maybe it is how the conferences are structured, not the fact that we have them??
No Bear, I said nothing about a level playing field or even competition - not sure where you go that from - no competitions are even - they might be competitive.
I am saying, in answer to a question, that I would have stayed with the original structure of three divisions (below champ) in the BigV.
The conferences at D1 level are stupid. It was dumb enough when the league took D3 and D2 and made a new conference based structure at D2.
Then it moved the conferences up to D1, which means you had a skinny championship division, a skinny d2 and a fat d1 - that is just a really poor structure.
This year they have fattened up championship a little, but kept D1 really fat - and they have a pretty poor competition as a result. Poor planning, poor long term thinking and poor pathway.
True HO, he was at Corio Bay but didn't quite fit the structure and Geelong got a call, so he found another home nearby, Geelong didn't chase him, your buddy was right...
I think you have a good point on how the current set up is, not something I would try to fix, seems like a difficult task made harder when you take into account the nature of the sport and how teams can vary so much from one season to the next.
3 Divisions under Champs could work but conferences I believe could also work if they are done correctly, big if I would suggest??
To be honest to go back to 3 Divisions under Champ would be the best thing to do.
Agree the issue is that teams change soooo much every year and the fact of the matter is that teams change massivly from when the league meets in November to when the comp actualy starts.
I say go back to Champ, D1, D2 + D3
That way it helps out the teams that have to begin to rebuild.
D3 would be a perfect solution for rebuilding teams.
D2 could be the biggest (most teams) Division with teams pushing to be promoted for D1.
D1 a 10 team division that would make every game a tough one!
I hope Oakleigh reconsider their Logo as a "Warrior" with two Big V Clubs already playing under the name in Div 2 with Maccabi & Pakenham.
They even have Domestic teams playing as Warriors while there junior Rep teams also playing under the Warrior banner.
Now playing in Bentleigh at GESAC right in the heart of McKinnon.
Oakleigh use to be called the Wolves many years ago!
It would make more sense to have a link the Oakleigh history rather than use the old Garden State Warriors domestic logo.
Surely they would change their logo and nickname. Prove they are big enough with who they are to do that and enter the league.
If they are too insecure that things like that are non-negotiables then perhaps they should not be in the situation of applying for Big V.
In the AFL Port Adelaide had been the Magpies and played in Black and White for 100 years. They changed to the Power.
I know there are plenty of people who wwould love to see Oakliegh return to their origanal colours and the 'Wolves'.
Good luck to them hope they return (as the Wolves lol)
Except the 500 members who have invested in uniforms and merchandise to support their club.
Wont be the first time this has happened. McKinnon Cougars and Keysborough Cougars for example. Played in the same division for years and used it to play off for the Cougars Cup. Still do!
Rules have changed and apparently you can go straight into Youth League.
If you have a young squad loaded with players 23 and under (which they do at Oakleigh) why wouldn't you take that option. A year or two of development before banging bodies with mature ones.
Makes a lot of sense to me.
Saw Oakleigh smash mornington on the weekend by 29 points in a pre-season game.
They were pretty impressive. They are lead by a Canadian import who dominated, but also had support from a couple of other bigs. Have two bigs both about 6-7 with another two around 6-5 and have some terrific young kids in the mix.
They played a 13 year old who scored 5 points in his first 30 seconds on the court and lit up the crowd.
They were pretty exciting to watch for a D2 team. Other teams may want to watch out they will be tough to beat.
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