Not bitter at all - no vested interest or reason to be. Simply providing the information I know as the rumours that they are.
Judging by your touchy and defensive response to these rumours, it would be obvious that you do have a vested interest in this situation.
If the rumours are incorrect, and supposedly have no basis, It makes your response that much more interesting.
Enjoy bottom 2 this season :)
Wow guys... still barking up the same tree.
I am not associated with the club in any way, and never have been.
I am not an ex-player who has moved clubs.
I am not someone who didnt get the coaching gig.
I am not a parent of a bench warmer.
I am not a bench warmer.
I am not a player who wants to be in the squad but isnt.
I am not yogi bear.
Simply put this thread is actually titled... if you didnt already know... "ABL Rumours 2013" - this was a rumour I heard/found out about, upon my travels. Hence why THD I have posted in regards to Southerns CABL squad... Makes sense doesnt it :)
I am simply providing this information to the general hoops community as a RUMOUR... as this thread is titled.
Seriously guys - get off of the conspiracy horse, and take the Rumour for what it is - a rumour!
You seem to be very quick to jump on me here, is that due to the underlying truth of the matter?
Freddy !! you try to sound intelligent and intellectual, but you come across a full on knob!!!
You are so pretentious i can't even be bothered trying to think of anything to say or to reply to your insipid comments!
Get a life you pathetic individual!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha
Not involved at southern, didn't apply for the job, not a parent but has a HUGE axe to grind!!!!!!!!
Has no idea what he is talking about, 3 players have been cleared to south from what I have heard that means no one else can go!
There must be a reason for the coach letting them go as well!
They might not like the coach but from my experience with him they will be the ones that miss out in the long run, have heard nothing but good stories coming from the girls camp
So 60% of my rumour was correct, and the other 40% I said 'going' not gone. That's not a bad hit rate for a rumour.
Knob, Im not trying to come across as 'intellectual' at all. All I am doing is stating the clearly obvious.
I get abused because I posted what I believed were rumours about an CABL team, in an CABL rumour thread.
THD like I said, I have no axe to grind at all. I have absolutley no need to in the slightest. I get along with the Southern coach quite well, and haven't made judgement about his coaching ability.
Just with the players that have left for whatever reason plus the girls away at college, they are probably going to struggle.
Again like I have said a number of times, all I have done Is posted rumored information about this team, in a CABL rumour thread,
I'm not the one calling people knobs on here
Freddy forget the knockers the seem not to like the rumour, but I have heard from a source the story goes the topic coach was assistant to Willie with the girls and some of the girls unsure how many wanted nothing to do with said coach based on issues from the prior season(s)? it appears the club chose the coach so the players decided to leave and apparently a few others are contracted and that's where the buck stops.
isnt there some rule that states you must field division one in all the junior grades to have an aba side
i know that south also do it a lot as well but im pretty sure woodville dont have anything from 14-18 isnt that taking it a bit far
would be funny if they recruited an actual decent team and then werent allowed to play them
although bsa wouldnt do anything about it though i suppose
Im not sure, i don't think any have accepted but you never know for sure.
By solid minutes i mean 20-30 with the odd game 30+. If they went all would be definite starters and likely 35-40 minute players per game.
But then again you would be moving from top 4 team that are set into a team fighting not to be last.
centrals played abl women for years without div 1 junior girls teams in all grades - no big deal.
rule needs to go otherwise creates a benchmark some can not keep.
10 years ago i can recall woodies fielding 3 teams per age grade in junior girls u12-18s.....
And that is the sort of attitude that will keep those clubs exactly where they are.
Woodville are running around offering money to ABA players while their junior girls club dies.
Why not take that ABA money and put it into resources for junior girls coaches, a junior coaching director and a resruitent officer?
The sooner BSA take away guarenteed div 1 spots and open up pormotion/relegation, the sooner clubs like Woodville will be forced to actually do something about their junior program.
off with pixie
offering 10 grand to a coach -paying coaching directors offering money to aba players
wow gotta get so of that action
true be know not true
10 years ago had 3 teams per age division if fact that what went wrong from then to now
too many experts with rumours
yawn yawn yawn =- i just wait till season unfolds to see who suits where and then wonder how do so many believe infairy tales
daly to south and yeah green pigs might fly
off to follow a rainbow
You in the phone book 'real talk', we are all anons with some more so than others. With the money the warriors were throwing around, can think that survival means less to them than stuffing the pockets of pretenders. All that's left is the Torrens Valley name to go up for the farce to be complete. A common sense solution is for them to unite with Magic or with Wests because any standalone future they had is gone.
off with pixie
so warriors throwing 10 grand to a former ABA coach and the coach knocked it back - now tell me who is stupid
the coach for not taking the money
the warriors for offering - apparently not accepted
or you for knowing for a fact ?
offer made offer declined means no offer - why would somebody turn down 10 grand for maybe 5 months work ???
067 no clues
What a shithouse thread, talk sense people and not shit. Maybe thing about what you are posting and put some thought into it. I'm all for some goss/news! There is the odd post that is worth reading and relates to the title but the rest is just crap
Genna leaving Tigers?
I question has she or will she get a clearance?
Will the Tigers play hard ball with her like they did with Elmer Fudds son last year!!!!
Touching on Elmer, rumour about that he has been seduced from the black club to the club that wears white, the real question is did he jump before he was pushed???
And getting back on the Genna situation, from what i'm hearing there maybe plenty of positions to fill out North
2013 will be an interesting year in the ABL with all the changes around all the clubs at all levels, i hope they have some good refs available to control the games as i'm sure their will be no love lost between ex team mates
Interesting - I know who you are talking about and as much as you think I am that person... Your barking up the wrong tree.
But let's not overlook the point I made, 4 out of 5 predicted right that they weren't staying at Southern, yet I have an axe to grind? Maybe the truth axe.
Its like me saying you have an axe to grind with Brandon.... Oh that's right you do - your from Southern and still dirty he didn't want to play for Tigers.
Oops sorry i beg your pardon, its not Elmer its Nostradumus LOL about time something you predicted came true! you certainly stuffed up with the 21st of December 2012
Me ! no i don't care about anything really, no axes here, like i said just a shame to see potential go to waste
By the way its good to see the silly season is over and clubs have started to return to training and hoops has returned to its sledging self LOL it has been so boring reading factural stuff about basketball instead of all the made up lies and rumours that bring a laugh to most people who venture here
I think they are discussing her because like a lot of girls in U23 she's hitting good points. Most find it much harder playing a team game needed in ABL where coaches are smarter and can stop shooters.
It would be silly to suggest her loss to Southern wont be felt but other facets wont be.
Would you like tell us what the other facets are?? Doesn't look like they miss her to much, pushed Norwood Tuesday night without her, looked like they just ran out of legs in the last quarter, but were in front most of the game when I was watching
Not rumours, but - Looks like at Centrals, Matthew Clarke has retired.
Kyle Miller is returning for a 2nd year, not the norm for US recruits at Centrals.
Chris Clausen back from the US and Mat Atkins returning.
Supposed to be an anouncement regarding a new womens player shortly.
That would be because they do it at the expense of the rest of the club.
Those same clubs "cant afford" a full time coaching director, but can afford these ABA players.
Sturt have obviously got the ability to afford both now because they made a commitment to staff a long time ago.
Lions going to Mildura this weekend to play the Mildura heat in the mens comp. Old team mates from way back are coaching against each other (Scott Whitmore vs Jamie Madigan)Mildura have 2 new imports from what I have been told.
What ever happened to them playing in our league????
Some would suggest that the number of state and Australian players they have produced has indeed justified the way the Sturt program is run!
But hey, if you want to take the view that they underachieve because they produce a ton of great players, so be it...
"heard that centrals are about to rid themsleves of the second women's coach since the start of the year.
seems like the girls don't like this one either"
He is only an interim coach.
One would have thought that after trying to control 150+ boys, trying to control a dozen mature women would have been a breeze.
I'm a little older, lets go back 30 years. Very ordinary results when considering it from the perspective of indivual players they have created.
Sturt has been great at producing state and Australian players but do not translate that success into wins at district level. From this angle they are the most underachieving club in SA. Some may argue that is a direct reflection of their program.
How can you be that dominant at junior level and not turn that suceess into senior championships on a regular basis?
Umm. Because the player become so good they leave for other opportunities.
Ie Smyth to NBL. Maher to Europe and too good for ABL. Summerton to Europe.
There are 2 sides to senior program. Since 2000 Sturt have won 6 titles amd rarely missed finals. Not too shabby.
How many of those players, end up playing ABL for Sturt every year? Not many. Because ABL is a lower priority for them.
In the men's, how do you think they would go with this team at the moment?
All of these are not playing for Sturt at the moment because they have or are trying to forge out NBL or college (or AFL) careers.
Not to mention the current players who are not bad either. They were runners-up last year.
That team would win ABL by 50 every year!
It's been like that for many years as well.
Jack, continue to promote the Centrals propoganda that all is right within that program. But we can all see straight through it with what has happened there the last 2 years.
Having talked to the coach in question in the last 7 days he absolutely did not think he was carrying the "interim" tag (nor did he think he was in trouble). It's a pity, he's a great guy and deserves much better (both at senior and junior level) than what he has to endure.
Central Press Release...
This doesn't sound temporary....
Head Coach, Andrew Jantke
Andrew states of his appointment; " I hope the whole community appreciates the achievements of this group of athletes over the past 2 years, gets behind our program from the Lions juniors, Trinity College and STARplex."
Andrew has almost 30 years of high level, district basketball experience. He played Div 1 junior basketball with the Norwood Flames, within a very successful environment, during the 90s, before moving to Adelaide Southern (since merged with Southern Tigers) to play Senior Basketball at State League/ABL level. At Adelaide Southern he played for two years under Harold McMath before returning Norwood to coach juniors. Whilst at Norwood he coached U18 Div 1 Men, Reserves and was an ABL Assistant Coach to Matt Dodson (a former Australian junior rep, currently coaching professionally at NBBL level in Germany).
Andrew's involvement with the Central Districts Lions first occurred whilst in his mid-20’s when he played at State League Div 1, Reserves and ABL level for several years before becoming involved in junior coaching at District Level.
Since then he has coached Division 1 junior teams at the Lions and also been an Assistant Coach at six National Championships with U16 and U18 sides with SA Metro. In the state environment he has worked with Coaches such as Liam Flynn (currently Assistant Coach with Townsville Crocodiles), Mike McKay (former Adelaide 36ers great) and a range of other top coaches across SA.
In 2009 he was appointed Director of Coaching with the Lions and the club has gone onto have unprecedented growth, player development and on court improvement whilst he was in this role.
Andrew is looking forward to the supreme challenge to contribute to the continued the success the ABL Women have had over the past couple of years. He will also be heavily focused on creating a playing environment that outstanding players and people want to play in, whilst developing a pathway for juniors to aspire to.
Andrew has completed his level 2 NCAS Coaches accreditation and has also completed subjects within the Bachelor of Elite Sport Coaching, delivered by the AIS/University of Queensland.
Jack, whether he was interim or not is not the issue. The fact is that these girls have now been responsible for the knifing of two coaches in about a month.
In any case, an interim coach usually fills in until someone permanent can be appointed. These girls might need to coach themselves now because there is obviously nobody worthy enough to do it.
From the 19th Feb and on their website:
"The Women's side has had a somewhat unsettling preparation with the late addition of INTERIM Head Coach, Andrew Jantke. The team has had an amazing couple of years taking the program from perennial cellar dwellars to back to back finals series. MVP of the league last season Jess Mahoney returns for the Lions as does the ever dominant Lill Keane who is set to have her biggest year yet. Coach Jantke believes that the Women will have lots of challenges before them but are an amazingly competitively, resilient group and any challenges will only make them stronger. Coach Jantke is hopeful of making a major addition to the squad in the coming weeks, stay tuned for more information."
Jack, you are still deliberately missing the point. An interim coach looks after a team until a more permanent appointment can be made. My understanding is that this is not the case and that now they will be on the look out yet again, as nobody wants to coach them.
Ariel84, that might be the case. Let's look at the circumstances. A new coach gets appointed after due process has been undertaken. Job advertised, candidates selected, interview, and then job offers made. He then quits.
ABL season is close and there's no time to advertise. A club needs to act quickly and so appoints Janx22 (without any advertising/interviews etc) so that the team can continue to function.
The club might have then rolled this into a more permanent appointment and avoid the hassle. Maybe they did, but I have find any press release or post stating that to be the case.
On the 19th of Feb, he was announced as an interim coach. A week is a long time in sport.
Jack, you have selective reading skills. No, he was not made more permanent. He was as you rightly state, INTERIM, ie until the position is filled permanently. He has now quit/been sacked or whatever, and the position is now vacant again.
It doesn't matter how you dress it up, but the fact is that this reflects very poorly on the club.
Ariel84, All I have said is what I consider to be the position and that was he was appointed as an interim coach.
If he has quit because he thinks his position is untenable, then there are massive red flags. If he has been sacked, then one would expect an alternative coach selected and be in place. If that is not the case, then going into an ABL season with instability in the coaching position will not be considered optimal.
I quite agree. It does not reflect well on the club.
Aaah Jack, aka Centrals propoganda machine.
Talking to the coach last week, he thought he was there for the season, and was talking about trying to add another player to the group in a week or two. He actually seemed excited about it, though I was horrified as he described what the atmosphere there was like - and NO coach worth his/her salt would put up with the treatment that was handed out at trainings. As for the first coach, he was asked to coach them as no-one wanted anything to do with this "team".
Both of them are good coaches, and pretty likable guys. And both appear to be more honest than what the "Centrals Truth" appears to be...
It is such a shame that a club is so blinded by potential W's that they would allow some good people to be treated like that. Who volunteer there time to develop their junior program and their future. Any club worth there salt would have backed the first coach (about 4 coahces ago!) and marched the trouble-makers off to do as they may.
What will be really funny is when the soon to be ex-coach leaves and goes back to Norwood and a whole bunch of players follow because they get a bitter taste in their mouths.
They we will hear the whole "woe is us! Thats not fair! Poaching at its worst! We need zoneing!" calls from the likes of Jack Toft.
When all along it is all to do with how they treat ther coaches
Because it will be the kids who he has coached over the past 5 years that will leave. The families who have strong relationships with the person who has put all the time and work into these kids will feel that the club has wronged the only person who has done right by their kids. And then the exiduswill begin.
Haven't Centrals already seen this? Didn't they flick off a couple of girls coaches & thus, lose a lot of girls over the past 12 months?
Their loss is Norwood's gain.
But hey, it's so important to have a top 5 ABL women's side that they'll allow the cancerous players to stay... then wonder why all their juniors leave after putting no resources into them. Makes no sense to me. Put resources into your juniors & they'll fill your ABL sides for years to come.
He should return "home" to Norwood immediately and fill the gap left by a departing coach. Would be a perfect fit for both him and this group, and the timing would be good.
He is very loyal, unfortunately to his detriment in this case after his treatment at both senior and junior level by his current club.
If a coach talked to his players the way some of these players talk to the coach he would be dismissed immediately. The culture there is toxic, and will cause far greater damage for a longer period of time than the few wins will do good.
Doh, I'm sorry, am I supposed to comment on every thing that is posted on Hoops? What comment am I supposed to comment on for your personal pleasure?
If I don't comment on cue and give you pleasure, then maybe you could comment for me and pleasure yourself.
Storm in a tea cup. Centrals are the Norths woodville. Both spend way too much on the senior program and neither have a team at senior women made up of predominantly home made juniors. Centrals bought a pit bull and now are wondering why they are getting bitten.
FOrmer Lion parent. Interesting. The boys program seems to have grown massively over the past few yrs. That's just looking in from the outside.
I'm not sure any players have actually left whilst playing in his teams, infact they seem to do pretty well, perhaps your little johnny didn't make a team and got some honest feedback?
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