Keep sacking all the indians & leave the Chief in tact. How long b4 u cretins wake up?

Good move, when we cutting pero v also?

"We were guided by MARTY's recommendation?"

I trust Marty has someone better lined up to replace CJ.

This is ridiculous and a poor cop out by Clarke and the organisation.

This is probably how the conversation went

Clarke: "Radford what shall we do we are really looking bad!?"

Radford: "Lets sack CJ that way we can say at the end when we don't go so well that the team struggled as we had to let an import go mid season"

Clarke: "Excellent and this means we can give Weigh 5 more minutes per game!"

CJ was probably paid the least out of all imports out there and given the least minutes. So its not like they can bring in another import as they wont accept what CJ is getting. What do they hope to gain by this? Do they think giving Crosswell more minutes will improve the team that is struggling for offense?

What news stations are going to pick this story up when the release is sent when the broadcast partner is on air and the other channels would have their nights stories locked and loaded.

where is a good imports salary going to come from?

The only way this decision is acceptable is if CJ requested to leave which I doubt or if he was a disruptive team mate which I doubt also.

The club now has two options:

1. Bring in another player for limited money which wont get many talented players interested in the offer. Also worst of all this means the club WILL not, no matter how bad the rest of the season goes, replace Clarke.

2. Keep the current team and hope Crosswell develops an offensive game and Marty has an excuse at the end of the year.

"We wish CJ and his family all the best for the future. This decision was not something that was taken lightly and we were guided by Marty's recommendation."


Marty being given even more rope with which to hang himself ?!!~

Methinks the CEO has begun to informally look at coaching resumes for next season.

Nine news are pretty good - ran the story
' a victim of higher expectations , following 2 narrow losses on the weekend '

Marty Clarke is a crap coach. CJ too much class for Adelaide anyway. How about release Clarke for constant poor performance over 3 years?

This is pathetic. CJ was never given the minutes to actually show what he could do. This is simply a cop out by a horrible coach who is looking to blame everyone but himself. How can a guy perform in 2 minute slots.

If he is saying that we need a better player then why didn't he get one at the start of the season.

I am so fed up with this club right now following Sydney and Shane Heal actually looks more enjoyable.

Fire Clarke. Do it today. Do not wait. End the pain for the supporters who have stuck by the club when they are, quite frankly, are no longer deserving of such support.

Scapegoat found. Sure not setting the world alight, but like creek thats hard when you rot on the bench.

He hires DeVries Winder Howard Shannon Warren Simpson CJ , then doesn't like them .

Marty Clarke what an absolute joke....do not treat your fans as uneducated... That, we are not..CJ was one of the back bones of the team and you sitting him on the bench reflected the cowardly approach that Phil smyth took back in the 90s when he wanted to release Rupert Sapwell and Paul Maley.... what a cowardly approach to sit them on the bench so they draw no stats!!!

Like Phil Smyth this is not your playing career, you need to think of the team and the fans involved... Looking at the media release it is easy to read that the club does not support your opinion! An all Australian team of Australian talent is a pathetic way of calling for an all white line up... Again a cowardly decision and obviously you are being challenged by your lack of skill and desperation to keep your job.

How about putting your set on the line and not using the sixers an an avenue to pay your bills. To the owners, do not think that you can save money by putting a cheap engine in your car...wake up and give the fans the respect they deserve. We were there in the hey day and still loyal!

I am tired of Imports being cut... You only have to look at the 80s and 90s and those words from educated and confident coaches like Ken Cole and Don Shipway who were both highly respected by their players and peers to see that the imports are a major contributor to this product and the fans will pay and the media will get on board with the skill and professionalism that they bring to the game.

Enough with churning through our imports you did not play him in the whole second half and we asked questions...what a terrible time to cut a player ... Please do not use the lines that we are settling or gelling as a new team in future...Phil run us down with those...stick that Marty.,.do not put your hand up for the role if you cannot deliver your KPIs.

I am disappointed in a lot of Australian performances around the league but suck it up princess.. Do you see us fans blaming the Asian, Americans or Italian staff member in our workplace..NO..that is NOT how we handle our business..,that is racist and discriminatory... You were put in place with Redhage to run this ship cause you said you could....step up to the plate Marty and show us what you're being paid for or get out of the kitchen!!

A very angry long and true fan!!!

Not a bad move as CJ really didn't find a role in the team (except for 1 quarter where he showed what we hoped he could do).
It's not the right move, but at least it's a move. Clarke keeps his job at the expense of yet another import. There's 2 scapegoats you can use in basketball, the import or the coach. We've gone down the import path what? 7, 8 times since Clarke has been around. Sure, most of them weren't the right fit, but 1 guy had a big hand in signing, not finding a way to make them work, then sacking them. That's Marty. He should go, with or without CJ, leave that up to the new coach.
For the first time ever, I actually want to see the Sixers crash and burn this year. The worst thing that could possibly happen is this new import comes in, dominates and we finish third or second (if we win the championship, all will be forgotten). Then we will see Marty get a new contract and the game will continue for the next 3 years or so.

Cant do much with the minutes provided and especially when your not seeing the ball.This will be a nice little smoke screen for Clarke.Be surprised if he is there next year.Cant say he hasnt got the cattle to give it a shake.

And the real tribute to Marty in that list is that each one of those guys got less productive the more time they spent with him.

The worst part of this is that Daly will be back in the 10.......

"We're looking for a guy who can go off the dribble and create for himself.

"CJ was a good catch-and-shooter."


Odd that since Friday night CJ drove to the basket twice, scored once and I think was fouled the second then was instantly subbed out.....

Anon '482, what are you talking about?

Skud, further, why not pick the right guy from the beginning if CJ didn't provide the right game?

If they've identified a gap in the roster and think they can fill it better with someone else, then fair enough and sadly the easiest to replace is CJ. But say you want someone who can attack the basket, why not play Creek?

I would hope that this is a case of "OK Marty, we'll do it, but it will be publically clear that it's your request, and it will be your last chance. We've been more than fair."

The comment further up about the string of imports is pretty telling. None of those guys were Showron Glover. They all were reasonably capable and had their moments but for "whatever reason" weren't enough to get wins. A couple of times you could excuse, but surely after this many Marty could start to look for a common element in these results?

No historical results backing him up. No media-friendly personality. No favour with the fans. The one thing he seems to have is support from the playing group (Jason Cadee has just come out in his defense on Twitter when he could've said nothing if he had concerns). The 36ers cannot afford an exodus of players now or in the off-season.

Interesting development, wonder how many people within the playing group saw this coming?

I can't say it wasn't predicted, there were many posts on this forum suggesting he wouldn't last.

I've got mixed thoughts about the decision, but I'm more curious what was going on behind closed doors for the key players in the organisation to reach their decision, especially given his limited opportunities.

I'm also intrigued by what will happen next however I've seen enough of this soap opera to have a pretty good idea that the bad guy will be allowed to run free and cause more havoc.

CEO, Bonz and Sky are fantastic, they know their craft and work tirelessly for the club, especially Leanne. It's hard when you are led by those that unfortunately know nothing about the game but have kindly invested in keeping us afloat!

Anon '487, bullshit. I've seen one Facebook link about sacking Marty in the Kings game thread and that's still there. Haven't seen any others.

If it was posted as a new topic, maybe another moderator thought there were enough Marty threads already that could be used. I haven't deleted any such links - been out until a few minutes ago.

But thanks for the blame. And why not stick to existing threads - we've had dozens of threads about sacking Marty.

Players constantly support their coaches even when they know how bad they are, often asked to do so by the club. Taylor Walker shows support for Neil Craig until the day he was sacked and his effort on the ground suddenly skyrocketed. The Crows are a clear case of a bad coach bringing a team down.

Odd though how much Craig and Clark are alike, both have bad personalities to the public and are stubborn as hell and refuse to admin fault themselves.

Instead of linking to the page in almost all of the recently active threads, why not keep it to one of the many recent 'Sack Marty' threads which still receive regular comments.

I don't know why people want to bag the club for being proactive. From what I saw of CJ, he doesn't really look like he has the speed or athleticism to beat his man or get to the basket. This makes him strictly a spot up shooter and not what the Sixers really need to complement Gibson and Cadee in the backcourt.

The Sixers desperately need a guard who can consistently do in the half-court what Gibson, Cadee and Crosswell cannot: beat their man off the dribble and then create open shots when the help comes.

This would open up Luke for so many easy layups and get Gibson, Cadee, Weigh and Petrie a lot more wide open looks at a three - which is what they need, because none of them are good enough shooters to consistently knock it down when their shot is hurried by the defence.

As long as the club are willing to spend the money to get a guard who has the handle/ quickness to do this, then sacking CJ was the right move and one that shows how committed ownership is to being successful.

Dragonfly that is a pretty dumb thing to say, a lot of people with a lot of knowledge think otherwise

Well, I haven't deleted it and posting it in this thread is fine unless the FB page is ridiculous. Are you getting an error when posting?

Boti's story is up on Adelaide Now. Has a quote from Clarke saying they haven't really deeply looked into options. Either he's saying that to protect CJ or he's voluntarily going into the Perth game a man down for no real reason. Last time CJ played Perth in Adelaide, he had 18 points in as many minutes.

I can understand making the move if there is a replacement ready, but we have most roles well covered. One useful one was a catch-and-shoot closer. And CJ could be that.

Spiral continues and stinks of desperation. Thanks for setting this club back 3 years.

If you get a chance, ask Brett Maher what he thinks of Marty. He's spot on.

There you go anon, if you've posted it in three threads and anonymously, I don't mind Clarky deleting it. Anonymous posters don't really get benefit of the doubt.

The club can easily see what fans think about Marty by reading Hoops and looking at attendance figures. Doesn't really need a petition.

No Dresses For me...Really?? I'm in the know...elaborate..give examples!, it's not dumb..the owners are fans too...if they don't know better they can't call it out! This is not a crime on their behalf it's just pure reality. I think majority are uniting on their Marty views!

Here's my take:

http://hoopdiary.com/cj-massingale-gone-too-soon/

No convo hijack intended, just some additional info.

Attendance has dropped consistently throughout Clarke's tenure. I struggle to find the motivation to go anymore, and I'm quite a fan of most of the players on our roster at the moment. But the team is just so poorly coached that it is borderline unwatchable. There is no atmosphere at games these days. And from Day One Clarke has come across as arrogant without any justification for being so. His media interviews could be held up as examples of exactly how not to represent oneself or the team. And that Sixers management has not done anything about this just reeks of ostrich syndrome.

Wow i posted first here thinking it was rumour & ive just got up 2 date. How embarassing for u all. Only 3 championships in a row can save him now! It's beyond a joke.........

In my opinion Hammer out coached Clark on Sunday. His use of time outs to stop the flow of play in the last quarter was particularly good.
Bloody hell I've actually praised Shane Heal and his violet crumbles. Never thought I would do that. :-(

CJ is a scape goat and was never really what we wanted but deserved the shot.

The question is, how come Marty Clarke has such strong support by the players? If they've got these 'coaching clauses', why do they have it? if they're genuinely okay with the amount of minutes they're getting and their team mates are getting, why is that so? The team is talented, it's not winning, the coaching is visibly suspect, surely this would frustrate the players as well. They aren't just being silent about it, they aren't waiting for Clarke to hang himself, they are speaking out in his defence and seem to be a barrier between Clarke getting sacked and an exodus. Why is Clarke so popular among the players when they are not achieving what they ultimately should be achieving and should want to achieve!

Wow, this has really sparked some talk.

I also saw it covered on Ten news, just mentioned breifly as "Breaking News"

Surely the 36ers have no money, so it will have to be a budget move. Hopefully they don't go the Larry Abney route (ie old guy who used to be good) or another feeder league guy. CJ has been one of the best year-on-year. I'd also really hope they have someone ready to go.

It's clear Clarke is a respected teacher but you have to seriously question his ability to identify talent and how to use it. The import turnover is ridiculous and even though he's pulled in big names this year, it's clear he can't get them to mesh well.

I've written more here

http://www.36reasons.net/2012/12/join-club-cj.html

HD Paul makes the point that this comes right on the two-month probation deadline meaning that the club can cut CJ without paying out his contract in full. They couldn't have left it another day.

You're also right in that the club have hung Marty out on this one and that would normally be a terrible show of disunity. But I think the club's out of patience.

That said, if you're giving someone one last chance, surely you ideally want them to pull through. And in that case, why damage their rep like this? Unless cutting CJ proves to be a masterstroke. Otherwise, if you don't care for their rep, then just pull the pin.

Can Clarke register Weigh as CJ's replacement and play him in two positions at once?

I don't see any other option for the much needed increase to Weigh's courtime outside of a return to a 48 minute format.

Mutley is spot on - I feel horrible that I have little motivation these days to go see my club play week to week.

This really is sad - not so much that the club is looking to succeed and perhaps have an upgrade in mind, but that this crap coach blames a man for not contributing from the bench. He can't score or defend from there! If you weren't so busy strutting around with your head up your arse, you might see that! Grow a pair and say you stuffed up selecting CJ instead of blaming him for the team not being in the top 4. You are a disgrace.

Wow, Marty was unable to get the best out of a veteren player, who would have seen that coming?

Where to from here? Our problem isn't that we're lacking good players, if we replaced CJ with an absolute gun then that would result in even less minutes to spread around.

I almost think that we'd be better off not getting anyone in to replace him unless someone gets a season ending injury, spreading minutes around 9 players was difficult so if we're down to 8 in the main rotation. Honestly though, I thought CJ had a lot to offer and I always liked it when he was on court, it's disappointing to see him go when he doesn't seem to be the problem from where I sit.

Loco, I wondered if Marty could player-coach. Even better!

Throw in with the list of imports that have been shown the door. These Australian players.Herbert,
Holmes, Hill. Bruce,Ng,Helliwell,Carter,Dowdell. Some not playing at all now, others having decent impact. Must be galling for 36ers to have Holmes and Bruce play significant parts in last weeks
losses. The turn over of players is a disgrace, check out the imports, most are flourishing overseas.
These coaches need to be held accountable.

Panic move by Marty? Knew the club wouldn't allow him any major changes and knows that if he doesn't make the post-season this time around he's done, so grabbed the opportunity presented by Massingale's probation coming up tomorrow and made it happen. Gives him one little card up his sleeve, whether anything comes of it or not.

Limited time recently for CJ could suggest it'd been planned for a little while?

FACTS

Helliwell retired
Herbert retired
Ng retired
Carter moved to Sweden
Hill- you miss him?
Bruce - one good game out of three and replaced by Crosswell /Cadee
Holmes- a healthy Hinder away from being out of the league all together
Dowdell - now retired due to health issues
Shannon - retired

Simpson went from the 36ers to the NBA currently in Israel playing for the bottom side but leading the league in scoring

Warren - Pro B France 14ppg team is 11th in a 16 team comp

Winder - China good luck finding stats or info on him

Howard - still in the D League

not defending Clarke but at least get some perspective to your pitch fork

Sorry late to the party but a point I would like to bring up.

Who was credited for being the reason the 36ers beat the Wildcats in their first game against each other in Adelaide?

hmmm... wonder who is going to step up and drop those 18 points this time?

I feel CJ is perhaps a scapegoat here, but then again, "Life's Not Fair"



I thought the Press Release might have been:
"The Adelaide 36ers made the difficult decision to release Marty Clarke from his contact today.

Head Coach Marty Clarke advised 36ers management of his recommendation to let himself go.

The Coach's recommendation was then taken to the Adelaide 36ers board where it was approved.

Marty Clarke came to the Adelaide 36ers from the AIS.

Head Coach Marty Clarke said that it was in the best interests of the team to part ways.

"I showed promise, but the intensity of the game increases throughout the regular season and we have a goal to achieve. The club has set a firm objective for the team this season which is to be in the top 4 come April and it is my job to ensure this happens."

Adelaide 36ers CEO Leeanne Grantham said that the Club would like to thank Marty Clarke for his time at the 36ers.

"We wish Marty and his family all the best for the future. This decision was not something that was taken lightly and we were guided by Marty's recommendation."

The Club is currently weighing up options on a replacement coach."

Jack Toft i would like to like your post but this is not facebook. Spot on! Isaac atleast u give some reasonable politics. Don't forget this clown was also in London - no wonder B Brown gave it away.

Marty Clarke recommedended sacking CJ, how bout Clarke recommends sacking himself

I have never seen a head coach who sends so many mixed messages. What was his thinking when he brought in a poorly paid import using up 10 points. He must have known he was not good, hence the salary he accepted, but why take up 10 points?

This really smells of Marty in deep shit struggling to keep his head above it.

Why has he recruited 2 people (Pero as well) this season that hardly has seen any court time? The deepest mystery to ever hit the 36ers is what's in that frazzled head of his. Nothing makes sense.

10 points are what imports cost. They brought in what they thought was the best option for the money they had. Had loads of points to burn. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, do they have to play all 10 all the time? Countless people including Boti always talk about how they wish coaches would play smaller rotations. Pero is injury insurance. Club most have a ten man roster but doesn't have to play them.

Even two down through injury, Wollongong don't play Auryn much at all.

Thats where im at, the club knows its over, there will be no contract renewal, its just a shame they arent financially strong enough to piss him off now and get started on the new culture as soon as possible. And who knows maybe even save a sinking season!

@BJF, Dowdell isn't retired, just wasn't at the fitness level required to return from injury this season. He'll be back in the NBL picture next year.

I agree that is a great article by Boti and well worth reading

Massive Fail by the 36ers

X how often do you speak with him? He was told he needed hip surgery and so retired from the NBL. He is playing SEABL due to the lower intensity of training and game schedule.

whos the import replacement? Julius Hodge? Ive seen him really put his foot down on your court

King james, cheers for that link. Boti said it loud and clear and used the facts. Sad but true, good to see im not going crazy with my own appraisal of the coaching panel.

Massingale came in as a shooter but couldnt hit a shot. I think he was less than 25% from long range and had a number of good looks that didnt go close. This is just a common sense decision.

to help some out

CJ's wage doesn't carry forward against the cap. His salary plus whatever gap there maybe is available to spend on another player, just like his 10 points.

Massingale was at 23% from the 3. When your sole job is to hit the 3 ball you need to be able to deliver.

I wanted to like CJ he was the underdog , the Hollywood story of the guy who got that one crack to become a hero.

Unfortunately for everyone it didn't work out that way.

Still not up on the 36ers or NBL social media sites..

if you read the post above mine (Wollypert #390597) that poster was trying to highlight how many players Clarke had churned through and not re-signed. I simply showed that it is difficult to re-sign a player if they have retired or physically cant play. Holmes wasnt picked up by anyone, Hill has been covered by Weigh and Creek, Bruce is eratic and covered by Crosswell. No decision their i would disagree with or change.

The poster claimed that the imports too wouldn't return to the NBL and that they are flourishing overseas. The facts suggest otherwise. Howard is still in the D League producing the same stats. Simpson and Warren are in teams that are either bottom or near bottom in the leagues they play in.

DeVries and Williamson were let go for medical reasons only.

Finally a great article from Boti!!!

CJ is the scapegoat and I really can't see how he is going to be able to afford to get anything better than him.

Weild the frickin axe Leanne!!!!

BJF I understand your assessemnt of the list of players. My point is that most of these guys are decent players and the turnover or grab for new players flies in the face of controlled planning and development of a team. The same is happening again.
Herbie and Darren may be retired but would/could be playing under different circumstances. Adelaide is not a place to come and enhance your reputation. Most of those guys originally thought they were part of a development plan. (Last look Chris Warren was pro A France)Select your playing group, trust your judgemnt and ability to coach and make calculated improvements
to your group along the way. This continual revolving door of Australians and Imports will send the club to the wall.
Bt the way this is a great group, the way it has been put together and its cost could be terminal.
It must win for the long term future of the club, with or without Marty.

DeVries was perhaps the unluckiest import.

He's so bloody arrogant that even if he got the sack he would stand over by the bench strutting around pretending he knows what's going on - kind of like he has been doing for the past 2 and a half seasons!!