Boti Nagy still on holidays, or did he get sacked?

Good analysis and good thread, Isaac.

I wonder if the answer is the home crowd.

In the first half at home, the players are close to the coaches, as you say.
In the second half, players are far from the coaches and there's more chance of things going wrong (as you say).
The difference is that for home games when things go wrong then their 'supporters' will turn on them, and players are bound to react to it. When they play away, the crowd will be against them throughout.

Based on your stats for home and away, it can't be that Marty's half-time address does more harm than good, because they still play a good second half away.
Also, it can't be that the other coach has worked out the 6ers sytem by then and just needs the half-time address to fill in his players, for the same reason.

Isaac, some good points. There is something quite unusual going on here.

On road: 33.1 first half: 40.9 second half
At home: 40.1 first half: 34.5 second half

Both on the road and at home, the teams are playing at their coaches end in the first half, so you would not expect a disparity if the coach had an influence.

Each offensive possession generally ends one of two ways. A shot on goal, or a turnover. I would be interested to see the disparity between halves in shots on goal and turnovers (if any), or even rebounds. If the issue was because it was a complex offensive system, then you would expect that as the scoring drops off the turnovers would increase (poorly completed plays) and the shooting % remains the same. If it was an execution issue, then the shooting % would drop and the defensive rebounding rate of the other team could increase.
(Any miss on goal is either going to be collected as a defensive rebound, or an offensive rebound)

I would like to see stats as to second half production when they are in front at half time compared to when they are trying to come back from a deficit.

I think its a bit more simplistic than that.

The team starts off by executing the game plan prepared for during the week to take advantage of whatever weaknesses the opposition are percieved to have. Then as the game plays out and especially at half time the opposition are able too some adjustments to counter what Adelaide are doing well. Then it just seems that Adelaides offence simply falls in a heap.

I think some of the players have shown a lack of 'basketball IQ' and ability to adjust on the run and this is starting to show with Gibbo in particular getting frustrated at team mates for not being where they should be on court. Sure Offence A may be the plan at the start of the game but when option A stops working and we need to run options B,C and D to get a score having guys who cant adjust to that on the go isnt good enough

In the end though, Its the coaching staff who have put this team on the floor, and if Clarke and Radford have recruited dumb basketballers to run complex offensive sets then thats on their heads.

hoopie:

"The difference is that for home games when things go wrong then their 'supporters' will turn on them, and players are bound to react to it."

Do you go to home games? Do you have a lot of consistent examples? This "toxic" arena thing is overblown IMO. There are a lot of negative comments on Hoops or elsewhere on social media, but the crowd at games is pretty supportive even when the team is down. Maybe sometimes they're quieter during a particularly bad stretch, but not until that's well-established.

"When they play away, the crowd will be against them throughout."

Why the first/second half disparity on the road then?


Statman, to you too - how does that apply on the road?

Might be something in paul's suggestion of leading rather than pursuing though.

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NBL's team stats are only current to Round 11 so would be missing a fair few losses. The 36ers beat their general opponents on FG%, level on 2P%, ahead on 3P%, ahead on rebounds, assists and blocks. Yet foul more, have 55 steals to 91, and a lot more TOs (172-126).

There was some valid points in this article.

I have found over the years including Phil's last 2-3 season + Ninnis era that shots don't always fall and players go cold shooting wise in the 2nd half. I always felt that end is a little cursed.

Yet they do practice that end and many of us have witnessed it during open training sessions.

These days it's so bad, we naturally expect the team to fade in the 2nd half.

Right on the money Statman with this

"Then as the game plays out and especially at half time the opposition are able to (make) some adjustments to counter what Adelaide are doing well. Then it just seems that Adelaides offence simply falls in a heap."

Ill add to that, that the Adelaide coaches then don't react to these adjustments or make adjustments themselves. Another indication of Clarke and Radford not up to standard.

Cadee is the 2nd best scorer in away games but 7th at home ;12 points vs 5

Isaac has highlighted a big differential in steals and therefore turnovers

Carelessness with the ball has costs us significantly in games, has killed momentum swings and on many occasions equated to easy transition buckets to the opposition team

Isaac, I was going by the posts on the 'toxic arena', given that I don't live in Adelaide.

I think Statman and KingJames are more on the money.

Interesting second half fadeouts ,wonder what they do at half time ,talk about the second half or sign autographs on balls or have a ten minute nap and feel more tired.Its teamwork and the way they pass the ball,there are alot of steals against sixers and other teams know the sixers teamwork !!!!!Clarke has same teamwork for years.

Would be interesting to see the numbers across all teams and ladder position. I don't have time now but if someone has and can post please do. If not might try it out tonight.

It's alright guys, I know what's going on here, it's know as the 'cheerleader effect'.

The only reason the Sixers have a good first half at home is because they are in front of the Adelaide cheerleaders, in the second half there is no one to impress up that end and so the scoring drops off.

"Sure." You'll say, "but what about the away games?"

Well, when playing away, the home team starts going towards their bench end (and hence where their cheerleaders sit also), then by the second half the Adelaide boys perk up as they get to 'take it to the rack' with the opposing team's cheerleaders getting a front seat view.

Pretty simple really.

VC Fan - priceless !!

Simplifying the system is certainly a key factor.

Marty is cut from the AIS cloth. First as an athlete then as coach. This style with regimented execution limits natural basketball flow. Example may be CJ's exit for Christopherson?

Moulding players to play a style in the AIS environment doesn't translate to getting a team to buy in and execute his scheme.

well done VC fan.

I think its a mental thing now and if you watch our D you will see it opens up big time with mainly our 2 bigs having lapses in concentration. It is not just this year but we havent had a player who wants the ball in his hands and makes the shots when required as we had in our glory years so that makes a huge difference as opposition teams know that any margin can be reduced against us.

I fully agree with Statman,
and that supports the road disparity.

When away, the opposition are already ahead by more, and don't need to make as many adjustments.

Its that simple.
But unfortunately our half court sets are not.
When the opposition want to pressure up, there are no back door "honesty" options, and that surrenders easy turnovers or at the very least shots under pressure.

When Massingale "winged it" and went back door because his man was going for steals...
as you do when you are chasing from behind....
well we all know what happened to him now.

Cheerleaders. Of course! It is so obvious when you think about it.
I think it has got to the point where the team is waiting for things to go wrong after half time. Self fulfilling prophecy. The times when they look good, they are playing loose - on instinct. I keep thinking back to when CJ exploded for all those points against Perth. He was getting them on sneaky back door cuts - something he was not supposed to do in Clarkes system. CJ struck me as a guy who knew where to go to score. So, "Go stand in the corner CJ", was a little dumb.

That's what you do on social media after a loss. Other clubs do it. It's not the issue (though the social media stuff is pretty amateur). The issue as you know is the losing itself. Complaining about the social media posts after losses is like complaining about DJ tugging at his shorts - irrelevant.

And suddenly I can't stand Ballinjerk.