Freddy
Years ago

Flinders Uni study on 'ugly parents syndrome'

http://mobile.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/flinders-university-study-on-ugly-parents-syndrome-impact-on-falling-sport-interest/story-fnet08ui-1226611196240

Article on parents and their impact on their children's experiences whilst playing sport.


"The Flinders University research on the "ugly parent syndrome" may help explain latest figures that show fewer South Australian children aged four to 15 are involved in organised Australian football."

""Poor parent behaviour impacts on children's confidence, motivation and continuation, not just from game to game but from season to season," Mr Elliott said."

"Last year, the Southern Football League called off its under-8, under-10 and under-12 carnivals because umpires were regularly being verbally abused by parents, coaches and officials."

""Post-game, if children experience a win or loss, played well or not well, parents are instrumental for support - they can talk them through that and it's the advice children crave."

In my opinion Basketball is considerably worse.

Thoughts?





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Anonymous  
Years ago

There should be a sign at the door parents drop your kids and back the F up.... Seriously its pretty bad at most district games, and parents coaching their kids some get it right most should just let them go for god sake..

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LeRoid James  
Years ago

all parents should only say positive things about there kid or anyone else. its the coaches job to say negative things, if parents do not follow this rule they should be removed.

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Wondering Coach  
Years ago

Well if you look around stadiums there are a Parents Cod of Conduct, most people don't read it, and the Court Supervisors are to gutless to do anything about it.


Most district clubs send out these code of conducts and kids cannot step on court until these are agreed to........ Where does the problem start? The parents? Or the lack of policing of the rules?

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Bear  
Years ago

Parents are passionate about their kids, understandably so, sometimes that passion bursts out into an emotionally charged outrage!,

Everyone who is a parent that is present during a junior sporting event is responsible for, not only their own behaviour, but for those around them...

Take a look around you and ask yourself this question next time you hear a parent bagging out an official or abusing a kid on the court, "am I just as bad by allowing this to continue without saying something?"

It is up to all parents to police this type of behaviour and take responsibility for it, from within as well as from the outside...

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

"The Flinders University research on the "ugly parent syndrome" may help explain latest figures that show fewer South Australian children aged four to 15 are involved in organised Australian football."

I disagree that this is the cause for lower participation levels in football. Football is a contact sport and there has been a significant shift in parent's attitudes regarding contact over the years. NRL has reported massive drops in participation in lieu of AFL in NSW. Less contact being cited as the major reason. Parents are very protective of their children.

Let's not forget that 40% of marriages end in divorce these days and so there are a significant number of children in mixed living arrangements. With that in mind, a child's time on the weekend is precious and so parents probably want to spend more personal time with children. There's also the fact of who pays for organised sport. Is it the mother or the father? The CSA expect a joint responsibility, but it may not work out that way.

To suggest it as an explanation for lower participation only suggests a lack of depth in the study.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Agree there with you Jack there are many combinations for lower participation and the ones you have pointed out are probaby more relevant. Ugly parent syndrome is a problme for active youth players, officials, spectators, associations and MAY lead to players dropping out but less likely as parents can push kids to participate till young adolescents then the kids will stand up and say no more.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Cost would be another factor by the end of a winter season of basketball you would have spent close to $1,000 between registration fees, stadium entry fee, fuel between venues and training plus any new playing equipment on top of that. Also given up a fair chunk of time if your squad trains twice per week plus playing time.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Some good points have been made.

I would agree that 'ugly parent syndrome' is very prevalent in basketball and indeed most sports, but wouldn't go as far as suggesting this to be the cause for a decrease in participation of organized football: other lifestyle factors would likely be a larger contributor.

However, 'ugly parent syndrome' being the primary reason for a child quitting their given sport might be more of the case in individual-oriented sports such as gymnastics, swimming, diving etc where performance is already demanded at such a high level.

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PeterJohn  
Years ago

PlaymakerMo - the performance sports tend not to have the same extent of the ugly parent syndrome and it manifests somewhat differently. My experience as a gymnastic coach and administrator, a parent of dancers and of gymnasts at State level, has been that parents in these sports aren't able to intervene during the "contest". They also lack the technical knowledge to openly challenge judges' and coaches' decisions and almost without exception, they know it and stay quiet in the stands or audience. My kids also have played volleyball and rugby (both codes) and I've run Auskick sessions, Little Athletics and Kanga cricket teams. My observation is that in these sports (and soccer, football, basketball, netball, etc.), most parents feel like they understand the game concerned and the rules, so they feel empowered to challenge decisions. In more technical sports, they don't feel that way.

Training sessions and venues in the performance sports are usually either closed to parents or a controlled environment. Coaches and organisers are good at keeping parents away from the floor/poolside/practice room. That reduces the risk of public outbursts.

In these sports, ugly parent tends to manifest through the parent-child interaction and the coach-parent interaction and is usually in a 1-1 situation after a training session or a competition/performance. Coaches are able to exert more control over these interactions, preventing the same level of unacceptable behaviour.

With problem parents, the good coaches are able to manage them as effectively as they do their children's development as performers. But, more often than not, it comes back to the parent recognising (consciously or subconsciously) that they aren't qualified to comment, so they don't behave like fools. The few problem parents are usually the ones trying to live vicariously through their children's achievements - the beauty pageant parents.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I hear parents at district games all the time calling for fouls and have no idea about the rules. Clubs should educate the parents ahaha.

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dko  
Years ago

Jack,

Read the research, there is no link in what the study undertook - exploration of child-parent relationships - and declining participation - its the media drawing straws (making $#!t up).

Google
http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/18377122.2013.760426 for link to the article.


Some useful quotes from parents involved in the study:

You need to teach parents that it's kids’ footy. There’s no premiership at the end of it,
you’re not winning the farmhouse, you know, it’s kids’ footy and the main reason they
are playing kids’ footy is to have fun, play with their mates to have fun . . .maybe if the
parents and everyone was a bit more chilled out, the over-the-top stuff on the sideline
probably wouldn’t happen.

It’s quite loud on the field . . . of course children are picking up on it [verbal abuse]. But
when a coach says, 'That was really disappointing’, you know, it is like, who are the kids
playing for? He [the coach] makes it seem like they’re all playing for him, you know,
disappointing for him. Well get over it sunshine, the kids are out there, playing fun just
to have fun.

We had a situation last year when we were coaching. A couple of parents got involved,
were coming up to the bench, saying ‘Why is Roy off ?’ and it has a decided impact on
the young children because I think they were quite embarrassed. There was one mother
in particular coming up [saying] ‘Why is Roy off?Why is Roy off?’. No matter what I
said to her, she couldn’t seem to accept that they had to come off, that there’s a rotation
system that we’ve got set up when you have too many kids, they have to all share equal
time on the bench . . . . The children, I think, seem to understand it more so than the
parents do; they [the parents] just focus on the one child rather than the team aspect.

And from the authors:

this study is not without its limitations and
should therefore be interpreted with caution. First, these collective perceptions result
from a homogenous sample recruited from one South Australian region.While it was
beyond the scope of the research to capture, with purpose, the influence of
demographic location and/or socioeconomic status on parental involvement, these
variables are important considerations for future research

And the media based the headline on this paragraph

Another interesting aspect of the results surrounded the idea that parents value
winning and success.While parents claimed that winning was not the central purpose
of children’s sport participation, they did agree that it was important. This
perspective adds further insight to the notion that a winning emphasis can reduce
children’s enjoyment, and potentially result in participatory withdrawal (Enoksen,
2011;Wall & Cote, 2007). The results of the present study suggest that there are some
issues surrounding parental involvement in junior Australian football. Although it
should be noted that most parents did not express any explicit examples of aggressive
parental behaviours, the themes suggested that there are some tensions around
parent interactions and relationships with others in junior sport.

Disagree with the media representation not with the depth of the study.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Yep, that's it. The media always slant stuff like this.

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OP  
Years ago

It is difficult to criticise the depth of the study when the scope of the research has not yet been published. The article cited in the above post relates to a similar, yet smaller investigation from back in 2010. Given that the 2012-13 study is much more comprehensive, and therefore will take much longer to publish, you might want to consider the finer details pertaining to your comment. Yes, the 2010 study lacks depth, but it was a smaller exploration. The 2012-13 study (which is yet to be published) boasts considerably more depth given that it comprises a students doctoral thesis.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

During the past Easter classics my son got the living shit beat out of him by an opponent, taking elbows to the face & throat. Knees to the back/hip+ stomach.The ref was a total idiot 7 couldn't of have cared less,our coach gave him a piece of mind,but yeah..who cares-when you get some Wan--r with attitude like that i think ugly parent syndrome is a must,say what you will but i would like my child to have teeth after a game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Only good looking people should be allowed to have children

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Red 90  
Years ago

I am a coach for an U14s boys team in Perth and i must say *touch wood* none of my parents have ugly parent syndrome.

They know that if they did, i would not tolerate it. In an U14s competition the kids are there for fitness and fun. Winning is a great perk, but not the main reason of playing. I teach my boys sportsmanship above skills and they're sitting happily in second place at the moment.

THe parents are nothing but supportive of them during the game (its training sessions that they push a little harder with the advice) and i definitely think that makes all the difference with their confidence

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree with 089 there are "some" refs that do let one team often seemingly go for broke,( for whatever their reason is) I have seen it with my own eyes, and when your kid is coping it, do you honestly expect parents to sit quietly while they know their kids may face injuries sometimes for days or weeks to come after the match is over, depending on how serious it gets...and these kids are not wimps either, just trying to play a fair game.
I have dealt the weeks of injury thing happening to my child, so it is a fact.. You better believe, if it looks like its going to happen again, through poor reffing you as a parent may have the tendency to speak up towards the ref... Because the ref wont be looking after them through the injury, pain or aftermath will they..!!! and yes I know anyone can be injured when its nothing to do with poor reffing, but those injuries are different..
And Yes mostly the refs are good I know that.

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