Anonymous
Years ago

Who made classics any surprises?

Was there any surprises and if you won state champs is it correct that the draw for classics is favourable ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Draws not out yet is it?

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Ashke  
Years ago

No draw, wont be out until at least next week when the Vic teams are sorted. That being said, i think most of the Vic teams are all but locked in regardless of tomorrow nights results.

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as,ndl  
Years ago

How did Knox Under 12s and 14s Boys go? Always been the powerhouse teams/age group for past 15+ years?

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Classic observer  
Years ago

Can't believe Knox 14 Boys didn't make VC - they were up there in 12s. What has happened - who's coaching this group?

Under 12s struggling to make VC cut off - what is happening to this proud club.

I keep hearing Coaching depth and coaching development is lacking. What is the DOC doing besides coaching his kid and losing in SEABL?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone thought that the kids they have one year are just less talented. The kids are not porns in the coaches and observers egotistical game......

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Anon  
Years ago

In boys U18 who is the country Vic club that will play?
Given that Geelong have always made it with this age group (because they have always been top 4)and they will not this year who does?
Also do the two 4th placed teams have to play a challenge match to make the classic?

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Anon  
Years ago

Who is in from SA and NSW this year?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

NSW will send a strong Norths 18 men team

I believe that both Penrith and Bankstown in the 16 boys will go. both should be relativley competative

14Men I'm assuming Norths will send their group who are decent. and may get a win or two. as well as a young comets team who may struggle

12's i would imagine comets and hills who are head and shoulders above rest of the league, both should compete

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Anonymous  
Years ago

For the Boys:

U12s. Sturt, South, Woodville, Southern
U14s. Sturt, Centrals, Woodville, Forestville
U16s. Sturt, Centrals, Southern, Norwood
U18s. Sturt, Norwood, Forestville, West

Girls:

U12s. Sturt, Forestville, Eastern, Southern
U14s. Forestville, Eastern, Southern, West
U16s. Sturt, Southern, Eastern, Forestville
U18s. Sturt, Forestville, Eastern, North

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Anonymous  
Years ago

PS: Assuming all those teams nominated.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SA only got 3 bids in some grades last year - I wouldn't be booking anything yet if I came 4th (esp. if 14 Boys and Girls)...

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anon  
Years ago

@ 475603. Ric Vos knox u14 coach. Goes ok I'm told. Bad group this year he tells my network. Next year he will have them up and about.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone know who actually qualified out of NSW

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Clubs know if they made Classics.They have been billed for their teams this week.

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Ashke  
Years ago

Well none of the Vic Clubs have been billed yet, as they are not officially finalised until tonights results are in.

U18 Country Boys was Traralgon
U18 Country Girls was Southern Pen
U16 Country Boys was Mildura
U16 Country Girls was Mildura

Though under the new ruling Southern Pen have to qualify via VJBL, which they have. No 2nd team will be invited via country from my understanding.

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Anon  
Years ago

Will Jack White play for Traralgon or Knox u18 boys - if he plays at all?

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Ashke  
Years ago

Yeah good question, i am thinking Traralgon (only a guess really).

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Heard Forestville Div 2 girls going ? Is that possible ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

U12 that is

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Anonymous  
Years ago

no.

Classics aren't available for Div 2 teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Norths 14m, 14w, 16w, 18m, 18w are all going

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There's usually a camp on the long weekend, so I reckon White probably won't be available for either.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are you sure they are going to classics or just the nunawading tournament that is held at the same time?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

going in some shape or form to something in melbourne.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Re NSW

Hornsby is sending 12W, 14M and 16 W. Most entries ever for the club who went for first time two years ago.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon, Classics is an invitation-only tourney for elite Div 1 teams.

Nunawading is more your regular tournament where anyone can nominate in a range of ability grades.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

In NSW 14m u will have no: 1 Norths and 2nd comets, 16m no: 1 Penrith and 2nd Bankstown and 18m Nrths 1 and not sure of second team. Illawarra from NSW country would probably win classic in both 16m and 18m if they went. They both will win NSW extremely easy. No metro teams will come close in 16's

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Illawarra would win Classic in 16s and 18s? Bahahaha!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Are Forestvilles 14 boys going?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Illawarra would win Classic in 16s and 18s? Bahahaha!!
I concur, Bahahaha!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

16w VJBL
Dandenong
Melbourne
Knox
Sandringham
Bulleen
Hawthorn
Diamond Valley
Altona

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Forestville boys finished fourth so would think so ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Southern 14 girls finished 4th and didn't get offered.

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anon  
Years ago

18 girls would be
Melbourne
Eltham
Sth Pennisula
Bulleen 2
Diamond Valley
Bulleen
Knox
Werribee

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone know who did? Usually the SA invites are posted on the Classic website a few days after State Champs.

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Go for it  
Years ago

No Dandenong in U/18 girls??
That would be a first.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree Illawarra would win classic in 18's but not 16's.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

hahahahaha Illawarra would not come close to winning U18 classics. they aren't even the best in NSW. Norths, Newcastle and Gosford are all better teams IMO.

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MRT  
Years ago

The National Junior Classic is by invite only for the top 7 teams in the VJBL VC plus one country team if available plus 8 top teams from other states by invite only. The Nunawding tournament is for anyone and there is also the Ballarat tournament. Hope that helps clear the confusion and good luck.

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anon  
Years ago

No knox u14 boys. Australian Champs 07, 09. Made classic last 12 years. What is happening at this once powerhouse club?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

anon, you keep asking and still you are not getting the bites you want. Sorry Know didn't work out for you.

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red65  
Years ago

MRT thanks for the info, even though it has already been clarified above a day or two ago.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

if it was clarified, why would people be listing 8 VJBL teams then?

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anon  
Years ago

I'm not a knox. Same thoughts about dandy 18 girls who have always been contenders. Why are you so sensitive?

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Knox boy  
Years ago

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Knox boy  
Years ago

^^ I think the coach of knox14s is#809. Has stuffed up and wants to blame others.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How did the VJBL teams finish up? Who made Top 7 in each?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is it true that there are challenge matches happening this Friday night in Melbourne for places in the Classic?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes there are challenge matches apparently 6 games in total at State Basketball centre.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Apparently all based on the two pools of the VC not on the overall ladder as u might expect. So 4th of one pool can challenge 4th of the other pool even if they have less wins. Does that seem like a fair system? Not in my eyes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Has always been the rule

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Could argue lots of things like why reserve a spot for a Vic country team? But on balance it all seems ok, the qualification rules are set down and if you don't win enough games to get there you most likely don't deserve to be there.

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Anon  
Years ago

Anonymous 476050 - of course this is fair - particularly when one pool is far stronger than the other. This often happens and it ensures that the best of the 2 4th placed teams gets through.

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Anon  
Years ago

My understanding is that Knox have not entered in the under 18 boys competition. Does anyone know why?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You list 8 in 18VC girls because Sth Pen (who won the Country cup) have to qualify via VJBL ladder as they play in that comp.

The 18VC girls challenge game is between the two teams that finished 5th in their respective conferences.

In terms of qualifying, everyone knows the rules and the fact that there will be playoffs if there are only 7 teams or 9 teams required.

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Ashke  
Years ago

So should the U18 Girls simply not have just been the top 4 from each pool? Given Southern Pen qualified via VJBL?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon so if one team has one less win is it fair? And if one team has beaten a side above it on equal points but has less percentage is it fair? I think not . Should be based on overall ladder rankings. But that's my opinion.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they'd beaten a team and on same points they'd go in on head 2 head.

Suggest you let go, if they can't make top 8 they're lucky they're not in reserve.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think you've all missed the point. In 18VC Girls, it seems they are taking 9 Vic teams as Sandy and Nuna both finished 5th in the respective conferences.

Both were a game behind the 4th teams and, if I remember properly they lost to the 4th teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

7W 2L wouldn't call that an underachievement.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Now I've missed the point.

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Ashke  
Years ago

My question is why are they taking 9 teams? The country team qualified via VJBL so why isn't it just the 8 from VJBL? Possibly an interstate team not taking up the offer?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Possibly another Country team that doesn't play VJBL due to distant?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Does anyone know where to find the list of challenge matches or who is playing in each?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

B12VC - KNOX v WARRANDYTE - 7:00 SBC2
G16VC – SANDRINGHAM v DIAMOND VALLEY - 8:20 SBC2
B18VC – WERRIBEE v MCKINNON – 9:40 SBC2
G12VC – BROADMEADOWS v ELTHAM – 7:20 SBC6
G18VC – NUNAWADING v SANDRINGHAM – 8:40 SBC6

But where in the selection criteria does it talk of challenge matches?

http://www.vjbl.com.au/index.php?id=42

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks a lot for that, I think somewhere in this list on the classic webpage it says something http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5008-0-0-0&sID=65252 only if the event of odd number so maybe one of the interstate teams declined so they need 9 vic teams

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Anonymous  
Years ago

B18VC - WERRIBEE v MCKINNON – 9:40 SBC2

Interesting challenge game this one. Geelong couldn't get their best team on the court all season yet can beat either of them convincingly in this age group.

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Anon  
Years ago

Why didn't Geelong win the Country Championships - Traralgon did and they are in the classic in the U18's boys section. Geelong had their chances - if they won against Diamond Valley instead of losing by 1 point then they would have been in the challenge match as well as the top 5.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^anon I was at that Geel v DV game and they scored on buzzer. One ref called it good the other after buzzer. They spoke about it and waived the goal so DV won by a point. Geel also missed a heap of FT's too so could easily have beat DV in that game.

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Anon  
Years ago

I also saw the Geelong v Dv game, we (Geelong) had the ball half court with a couple of seconds to go, the shot went in, one ref said yes the other no. Everyone there has an opinion but the refs denied the basket and we lost. Also agree we had plenty of chances and didn't take advantage of them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maybe it is a bit of a surprise Traralgon made it to Classic ahead of a VC team like Geelong then?

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Melbourne Boy  
Years ago

How did Eltham make it in B16VC over Keilor?

Both finished 4th in their pool but Keilor had a better record.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So what everyone is saying is.....Geelong weren't good enough to qualify. Traralgon was. Pretty simple really.

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Anon  
Years ago

Is Jack White playing Classic for Traralgon? If not what are they like without him?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Will any SA teams be good enough to compete with Vic and NSW teams?

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Observer  
Years ago

Sturt are often competitive at the classic. I have heard that they are the Melbourne Tigers of S.A . That is that they poach players from other associations to enable them to win.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The problem with that observation is that Sturt are not even the best side this year in any of the boys age groups. State champs results (which Sturt always hold up as the be all and end all) indicate that u12 is Woodville, u14 and u16 is Centrals, and u18 is Norwood.

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CHOOK  
Years ago

"Maybe it's a surprise Traralgon made it to Classic ahead of a VC team like Geelong"? If you think about that comment you will realise that Traralgon WON the BV country champs which Geelong also competed in, therefore, Traralgon are officially considered BETTER than Geelong in the u18 Boys. I believe Jack will honor his home roots and play for Traralgon at the classic. Jack and his team will be dangerous for sure, no fear, work hard, won't be intimidated and they will have arguably 1 of the most versatile, talented youngsters in the country in Jack.

On another note, an u14G team finished with a good enough record to earn entry to this "invitational tournament" however, their club administrator never filed the "application" paper work. Why should you have to"apply" for an "invitational" tournament? This would of been a HUGE achievement for this club, yet a simple paperwork issue has blocked them from entering. Unfortunate and IMO should never happen.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

One man team then are they CHOOK?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

On the boys side, I think the only SA team with any serious cred to challenge this year is the Centrals U/16 Boys. Just as long as B1 and B2 (continuing tradition) get tossed in seperate games they should be fine...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Will the fixture be out after this friday and the challenge matches? Also do we know which vic teams have been given places in the tournament already?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

B1 and B2? Who are they?

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Anon  
Years ago

Melbourne Boy, in relation to Eltham 16 boys and Eltham and Keilor both finishing 4th, they were in different pools and I think the rules state that they can go back to grading games for a head to head result. I dont no if they have played each other though. Or ............ I hear the Eltham coach may just have secured a job working for BV (and the Keilor coach didnt)???????? Not sure how true that is but it is what I was told. Nothing on the BV website about it though so it could just be scuttlebutt

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Think he was already working at BV.

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Melbourne Boy  
Years ago

Shouldn't matter, Keilor 4th in their pool with a record of 5 wins and 4 losses, Eltham 4th in their pool with 4 wins, 4 losses and a draw, head to head, or coaches contacts shouldn't matter. He is the Vic Metro under 16's coach btw.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Rules regarding selection for he Classic http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5008-0-0-0&sID=65252

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Anonymous  
Years ago

2013 Selection criteria talks of Challenge matches.

The 2014 page

http://www.vjbl.com.au/index.php?id=42

clearly deos not

Keilor should be pissed.

Probably happened in other age groups as well.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Coach of Eltham U16 is not the Vic Metro U16 coach. Right club, wrong coach. Don't let not checking facts get in the way of a good story!

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Ashke  
Years ago

No the truth is irrelevant thank you very much, as are any actual facts that may prove peoples theories wrong. Though he was a former state coach, but whats a few years between BS stories.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Grant Wallace coaches Eltham 16:1 boys, Rob Coulter (Vic coach) coaches U12 for Eltham.

Grant Wallace appointed to Ops Mgr at BV April 2013

Knox 18 boys declined offer because team has 5 injured players

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Anonymous  
Years ago

404 u12G Broadmeadows 7w 2L Eltham 6W 3L

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anon  
Years ago

What's knox u18s got to do with this?

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Vic parent  
Years ago

438. Eltham u12 g will more than likely beat broad meadows they are in a tougher pool.
A challenge game is the right result in this instance.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Poor form by Knox U/18 boys. Why not give some of your other 2nd team juniors a chance to play up and experience high-quality tournament basketball?
Or will someone look bad because of the result?

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Allen Ray  
Years ago

Classics is for the qualifying teams - wouldn't substituting your qualifying players be against the rules?

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Anon  
Years ago

Of course it is against the rules - the rules actually state this. However this doesn't apply to teams like the Melbourne Tigers. Last year in the Boys u18's - half their team were boys who came in from their no. 2 side. But the 'rules" don't apply to Melbourne.

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Toby  
Years ago

Yes you are correct Anon in saying that half of the Melbourne Tigers Under 18 boys came from the 18.2 side last year. That was done simply because most of the 18.1 team were away at the Australian camp or injured. If the boys from the 2nd side didn't play, there would not have been a team to compete. I guess the fact that the team went on to win a bronze medal has upset someone!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I wouldn't have thought that bring a KNOX player from the 2nd side to fill in for a KNOX player from the 1st side that is injured is against the rules. More likely some Knox ego-maniac just didn't want to play if he couldn't win. Has happened with Knox before!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is this in reference to Knox 18 boys pulling out because they only have 5 exisitng team members of the team that actually qualified?

If so, who will fill thier spot and does anyone know why 5 are out, are they all injured?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It can't be against the rules. As mentioned above, Melbourne did it last year. It's a shame that 10 Knox kids won't get to play and improve because of the ego's of some adults there.

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Anon  
Years ago

476531 - go to the Classic section on the VJBL website - read the rules - it is very clear in regard to player eligibility.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes, VERY clear. IF a player is injured, he may be replaced as long as it it cleared with the selection committee. Seems pretty simple to me - I guess Knox are trying to divert away from the fact they are denying Knox youngsters the chance to compete!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

u18 Nunawading girls won their challenge game, as did u16 Sandringham so they are in, missed the other challenge game results.

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Latrentis  
Years ago

Sounds like anons might be the parents of Knox kids who play in the second team and are disgruntled their kids didn't get a 'call up' to fill in for the injured players?? Don't see how it's poor as most likely kids don't have a say in it.
Will be interesting to see how the older kids go during their first year at Sandy and Frankston venues.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why shouldn't they be disgruntled Latrentis? Rather than giving the oppurtunity to 10 players who would represent Knox with pride at the tournament, some would rather pull out and give no-one that oppurtunity as it might be a hit to their ego! No wonder the club is held in such "regard"...

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Ashke  
Years ago

Yeah i sort of get your point #477604, but given Knox 2 are in Met 3 do you really think sending them to the Classic is going to achieve anything? Other than keep a few parents happy?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes Ashke, I do. If they only take (say for example) four from Knox 2, and play them with the rest of Knox 1 - these 1st team players would also get greater exposure and bigger roles (if only for the weekend) than setting up Jack White. Every game is a chance to develop players! So what if they don't win - and probably still would be competitve with some of the interstate teams.

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Latrentis  
Years ago

Thank you Ashke. Anon doesn't quite get it. Anon are you saying that it was the kids decision not to play? Pretty sure most clubs don't allow the players to decide what tournaments they want to play in etc, isn't it up to the front office and coach to decide? Maybe you should contact Knox if you have issues with them not entering a U18 team in the Classic?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No Latrentis - you don't get it. It is not the kids decision to play or not, it is some adult who thinks it's better not to play as their ego would take a hit by not doing as well. The kids would love the oppututnity. No wonder Knox is struggling so badly for such a big club with people like you around...

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