Anonymous
Years ago

Big V Finals

Thoughts?
Tips?
Surprises so far?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

How competitive would a top youth league team be against a Division 2 team?What would be the points spread.

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paul  
Years ago

How much do their imports get paid?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Don't bet against the home team!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Size advantage would go to the Div2 side but I think you will find the better and top Youth sides have the edge. The ability to apply sustained pressure for ful 40 minutes and the sped gets the win.

i know it is only pre-season but year after year you see good wins from Youth Sides over senior sides.

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HO  
Years ago

HD - DV girls YL?

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Happy Days  
Years ago

My question was a general one as i haven't seen the standard of the top boys and girls youth competition.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Seen GF Bulleen Vs Knox on the weekend very high level.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Quality of Athlete, Skill set and coaching would have to go to YL.

The only advantage a D2 team could have over a YL team is physicality. Even most YL teams have a few SEABL development bigs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

YL and D1/2 are on different development pathways.

SC YL is part of the pathway to BigV Champ/SEABL, D1/2 is where players end up that aren't up to the standard required to progress into Champ/SEABL/NBL.

So naturally the skill set and general athleticism of those players will be fundamentally different to each other.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

corio bay in two games but will be close game each time.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ringwood in 3.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

corio bay have some sort of xfactor, seem to keep winning

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LC  
Years ago

Week 2 of finals action now up on PnR:

Big V Semi/Preliminary Finals: Top two men, women advance to decider

Corio Bay and Ringwood will face off for the men's 2014 championship after both made their way through to the deciding series with preliminary final wins, while Ringwood and Hume City completed clean sweeps in their semi-final series’ to also advance to a grand final in a rematch of last season’s decider.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wasn't Corio Bay supposed to be in division two and not champ men?

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Tiger Watcher  
Years ago

CB have the biggest budget hence they keep winning.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

New York Knicks?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tiger Watchout you must be the biggest flog on this site. Everyone know you don't have transparency to the associations budget, nor are you connected with CB. People who know these people, realise how professional they have gone about things since coming into the league on three season ago. You need to stick to facts and not make cheap swipes at hard working association who are adding to basketball.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No point being defensive, CB have the biggest player budget, no big deal, stop denying it..!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

These comments aren't coming from the players who continually put their hand up to play for a small association due to the culture and professionalism they all enjoy. All other comments are unqualified.

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Anonymous  
Years ago


Please..... Players go where they make the most money. Simple.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anonymous
Earlier this week
15:52 11 Aug 14

Reply #487444
re: Big V Finals
YL and D1/2 are on different development pathways.

SC YL is part of the pathway to BigV Champ/SEABL, D1/2 is where players end up that aren't up to the standard required to progress into Champ/SEABL/NBL.

So naturally the skill set and general athleticism of those players will be fundamentally different to each other.



Spot on, their may be bigger bodies in div1 but skill sets are not on the same level. Easily seen by how many younger players are actually playing in this div especially in the women, and doing ok in it, yet put them up against those in YLC and they struggle to do anything.. Only thing playing in div1 does for younger athletes is get them used to bigger bodies, but it does not improve their overall game. Div2 is way down again from div1 , again more so in the women.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Corio in straight sets waverly and ringwoods budget bigger more likely overachievers where sherbrooke could have nearly won it underachievers hume city

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#487859 Thats because the Youth Coaches concentrate on teaching the kids and helping them to get better.

Majority of the Division coaches are trying to get ready made players, however if they are not ready the learning stops as all they are focussed on is the win.

Im gonna say the state youth champ men winner, YL1 and YL2 winner would all be top four in the D2 league right now without a doubt.

Bunch of people with inflated egos floating around in there right now.

Top sides in D1 this year were younger teams in Mens as well who all played hard each and every game and thats why they got it done.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It would be the same for the women

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who's on the big bucks at CB? Anyone got figures?

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Bear  
Years ago

I have no idea of how much anyone is paid, but I would guess that the top of the CB tree is the two imports, plus Ma'alo and Jason, then there would be something for the veteran guards and players with previous Big V/SEABL level experience.

The glaring thing from this team's perspective is that they play about 8 deep and then nothing, so whatever the amount it takes to get a team like this together is, well it is working.

I don't think anyone can say any team in Big V buys a championship, because if salaries or player payments was an issue then the Big V should step in and start to dictate salary caps, police them and punish those Associations that go over the top.

Any finger pointing in regards to the best team being paid the most, no matter what team, isn't going to be factual and it isn't the deciding factor in team success anyway. No matter what you spend, coaching, any key injury, poor form or team balance are more important in deciding who wins than money spent IMHO...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why do people actually say that anyway about corio? I've not heard of any major sponsors at Stingrays and they play in a private venue so they pay over the odds for their home stadium.
Waverley have 4 x players on $10k+ XR6 each from Strapp Ford.
Hume City spend $60k across 2 players and a coach.

Is it possible corio are just well managed and spend what they can allocate to the men's program wisely?

The amount of rubbish that is battered about on this forum is comical, worth every day coming on here with 10 minutes to waste.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Fact: CB pay only two local players, the two imports are on work visas, and receive no income from the association. The group is just super keen and well managed. Good luck and may the best team win.

Back at #487842
I hope all players who play week in week out for their clubs just for the love of the game take offence to this limited dick!

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Happy Days  
Years ago

So if the association doesnt pay the imports, who does?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They work outside the association. They are on a work visa not a sports visa. Only valid once.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#487877 Begs the question why have YL and separate Divisions?

Both are considered senior open age competitions right?

Just combine it all together, have the best 13 teams in Div 1, Div 2 etc.

Surely it can only help the development of the 18-21 y/o players to condition them to more mature physically stronger opposition?

Ive often thought YL is too isolated and in many respects the gap to Champ/SEABL is just too big because of it. Adding the best YL teams with the best D1 teams would surely make a stronger comp as a result?

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VP  
Years ago

I'm reasonably sure YL is age restricted so your statement its Open Age is wrong.

D1 & D2 are Senior Competitions which cater for those Clubs which play at that level - these competitions are not there for development of YL teams/players.

I doubt very much the top YL2 team would be top 4 in D2.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

VP, spotonski on all accounts

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Billy Hoyle  
Years ago

Champ Men: Corio Bay
Champ Women: Ringwood
D1 Men: SP
D1 Women: Geelong
D2 Men: Shep
D2 Women: Western Port

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Bear  
Years ago

Youth League in Victoria is under 23 years of age, it is an excellent competition in its own right and is a wonderful development pathway for the best teenagers out there, especially if they are about to head over to the US for college ball.

Big V Champs, D1, D2 are also excellent for their own purpose and as VP has suggested, they are there for the Associations that can field a team at their particular standard to compete in an open age competition...

There is nothing essentially wrong, therefore no need to fix, if there is some improvement we can discuss that is good to present on a forum, but combining these all together is pointless!

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Open Top  
Years ago

Basically agree that the Div vs YL structure is right however I think you could:

1. combine YLM1 & YLM2 together and get a very good conference based system going. There isn't much difference between them.
2. have clear promotion / relegation between all leagues. You finish 1 & 2 you move up, finish last or 2nd last you go down.
3. make all GFs in YL best of 3.
4. have the preseason tournament based on mixed grades (YL & Div) so that you get to play teams outside your division
5. have a champions play-off. All non-SC winners (Div 1, 2 & YL) play-off in NCAA final 4 style weekend to get an overall winner.

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VP  
Years ago

Interesting to note there is a Vic Country affiliated Club in just about every Big V Senior Grand Final - the exception being SCW.

Not sure that has happened previously.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would have thought removing the YL div and just combining them would strengthen the competition and concentrate the better talent in the higher divisions instead of the current system that dilutes it and spreads it evenly.

YL serves no purpose any more, by the time players get to 18 they should be able to come with playing against open aged competitors.

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VP  
Years ago

Interesting to see 5/6 visiting teams won the opening game in the best of three Senior Big V Grand Final series.

How many of these losing teams could possibly come back to win the series on their opponents home courts?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah, great win by the Geelong women Div1 team going to Mildura, now they have to travel on a plane to G-Town and try to win two games in a row, tough ask!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anon #406 I would not like to see my assoc's best teenage basketballers getting smacked and hacked by those has been 125kg apes running around in Div2 or Div1. Rather see them play cleaner more athletic ball in YLC mate!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You sound like an over protective parent.

If the kids aren't up to the physicality of snr Basketball leave them in U20's till they finish.

The reason the YL kids are struggling to integrate into SEABL teams is the massive difference in Physicality between YL and SEABL.

Integrating the top YL teams with the better D1 teams will expose them to a higher level of competition somewhere between where they are now and the next step which is too big at the moment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree that the best junior kids need to play at the best level, but it also has to suit the kid and if a Youth league team is the best fit for that particular Associaiton's pathway and that kid, so be it.

Let's face it many of the very best teen age basketball talent will get offers overseas, so at 18-19 they will likely be heading off to College in the US regardless.

So, what age group is US College, oh that's right it is about 19-24 years on average, gee that sounds like Youth League age to me!

Doesn't seem to bother them, great competition and they play against big adult size bodies too, maybe not over protective anon^, maybe just smarter than you think?

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LC  
Years ago

Recap of week 1 of the Big V Champ finals are now up on PnR thanks to Dean Zardo:

Big V Grand Finals (Week 1): Stingrays men, Hawks women on championship brink

Corio Bay's men and Ringwood’s women are on the brink of securing the 2014 Big V championships after first-up away wins, leaving both sides needing just one win from two home games next weekend to clinch the title.

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Harry  
Years ago

A replay of the Game 2 win for the Ringwood Hawks SCM over Corio Bay to force a game 3 is available here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvYoyQeV5eE

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VP  
Years ago

Amazing to see both Ringwood SCM and Hume SCW come back from a home loss to then win two away games each to win their respective Championships.

Well done to both Clubs.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Where the Casey loud mouths at? Another year in Div 2 for you fellas!

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Bear  
Years ago

@VP, yes amazing results and achievements, how often has that happened? I wouldn't think that often...

Big V-D1 women went to Geelong at home, after they took game one in Mildura.

If they had dropped both home games to Mildura I would be thinking something strange was going on, such a tough ask, but it can happen if the home team drops the ball, so to speak!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Casey were just not good enough, Were completely outplayed for the most part of the series & there were reasons they got as close as they did....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So Casey are going to have Lester and these new recruits running around in Div 2? So Typical of Casey. It would be like them entering their U/18's to play in U/14s

Good work Casey

Like Fishing with dynamite in a small pond and celebrating that you caught a fish

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they stay in D2 Lester will have no effect, he is dropping from SEABl where he can be physical, if they don`t go up he will be on the bench most of the game in foul trouble.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

why will shep and casey stay in Div 2. Both Teams standouts in Div 2.

Surely they would be more competitive in Div 1 compared to craigiburn (1win-18loss), melb uni + Warrandyte (4 wins-15Losses)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Think you would find if all three of those sides drop down and keep the same list they become the top three sides of D2.

Shep won they go up. Casey lost they should stay down. Being consistant over the season means nothing if you don`t take it out when it counts.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think any team can apply to go up or down in any division regardless of results and that should be the case if your personnel or situation changes dramatically.

I think Shepp and Casey will and should go up providing they can at least keep their core groups in tact or improve on them.

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