You're right Isaac. No way McRae doesnt get MVP if things are rosey! McRae did appear to be a very uneducated individual to me so perhaps he just wasnt smart enough to understand team plays and philosophies and as a result just did his own thing?

Must have been voting for who is the best at choosing the worst shot selection

Wortho had a poor finish to the year but he was clearly the team's MVP through the first half. McRae had some games with big numbers where he hurt the team more than helped them so that probably cost him votes the stats suggest should be his.

Having said all that, this award was the best of a bad lot really.

If wortho is your mvp then its always going to be a loooong season. McRae good enough for league mvp discussions but not as good as wortho, give me a break.

He was their best player through the middle part of the season, but a negative at the start and end. You can hide that stuff from stat-hungry fans but not your teammates and coaches.

Do you know how Melb united do their voting Paul? Who votes, and how..
Would be interesting

No, but I imagine it's the coaching staff.

The award winners maybe but not the coaching staff.

I thought United had a good team foundation last year. Morrison should of been re-signed and a good SG to cover the loss of Goulding.

Will be interesting to see the Hawks' MVP as well. Carson's the leading scorer, but Ervin beats him in rebounds and assists. Carson tops him in percentages. Coenraad was 10 PPG and 6 RPG.

Don't know if I'd be excited picking any of them. Maybe Ervin over Coenraad.

Saw this during a time out in a college game on TV today, hope I got it right.

This guy's formula for working out the best player in the league goes something like this:

Points X 5
Rebounds X 3
Assists X 2
Blocks X 2
Steals X 2
Team wins X5

Now I can't recall if it was multiples of the average or totals, but in the end you would calculate an overall score for each and then add this to work out a figure.

Highest number wins, but of course there are not many intangibles listed and people may view assists higher than say a X 2, just though I'd share the idea...

...just thought I'd share...

I agree Isaac, Ervin and Coenraad the top two. Again, the best of a bad lot.

Maybe they took into account the intangibles like leadership, positive contribution to team spirit, good role model for kids, helping team-mates to be better, consistent hard work, support for the coach ...

Naaaahhhh, this is Wortho I'm talking about. Silly me. They must have spun the wheel and he was the lucky one.

Thanks Bear.

Stevie J of Geelong got 19 brownlow votes yet came 17th in Geelongs B & F!

Mcrae def pissed the United Aussies off...

Intangibles...

In basketball, being quite stats driven, it isn't that easy to quantify them I am guessing, unless you have the money and software and people to record those things like say the AFL, for example.

Sports like the AFL have mapping tools, they can isolate individuals and their whole game, they can look at key players involved in a chain of possessions, etc... Very sophisticated stuff!

Having said this, I would like to see things such as shooting percentage and court time taken into account for hoops, just to give an idea of how efficient a player is. Also, shot blocking is okay but what about changing a shot and forcing a miss or indirect turnover?

Agree, the steal is valuable, but an assist is also just as valuable IMHO.

Many ways to improve or at least consider a more methodical approach to calculating a league or team MVP in basketball, but you have to have the stats to verify the result, so it all comes down to the reliability of initial cost and coordination of data collection for me...

If I had a wish list, here is what it might look like:

Points total X 5 divided by average court minutes.
Shooting % X 3
Defensive Rebounds X 4
Assists X 3
Steals X 3
Offensive Rebounds X 2
Blocks X 2
Change Shot / force turnover X 2

Team wins X 5

yep pretty unbelievable someone can get better stats based on %time on court and not be recognised or pulled. Teys is a great example of not collecting stats but being such a great on ball defender and help defender that he has a huge influence on the game. Will see the inadequate voting and awards system in the near future.

Hustle players are valuable. Extremely valuable, no arguments there.. But not the MVP. Teys isn't going to win you games off his own back down the stretch

An import would expect to be able to stand out and do their own thing every now and then

inferesting. talk to joey and he will say differently. he encourages shooters to shoot and take risks. he would deal with McRae differently and create trust and support to a high % shooter. MU just didn't use him the right way. need to explore his priors before making judgement that it was him and not the environment he was in. you all forget last years issues !!!! Would be interesting to sit down and have an honest chat with Coetto.

As far as I know no one had any problems with McRae shooting, that was his job, the big issues were did he do his bit when the offence wasn't for him, and did he do his bit on the defensive end.

If he’s not doing those things he has to score a lot of points to still be a positive factor for the team.