Nobody
Years ago

Brisbane bid dead?

JVG suggests on FB that the Brisbane NBL bid has been withdrawn.
When will the NBL ever get things right?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Would be sad but rather have a strong financial situation than to start on the back foot.

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King Podge  
Years ago

There were 2 Brisbane bids that the NBL were making a decision on.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Smart move, the league needs stability before extra teams.

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Nobody  
Years ago

Never ever heard about a 2nd Brisbane bid ever. Someone said to me just now, why would they withdraw after all the earlier 'hype'. TV was the word mentioned.
Why introduce another NBL side if as hoped / prayed for there was to be no decent TV coverage.

Good theory. Hence the withdrawal.?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"There were 2 Brisbane bids that the NBL were making a decision on."

I think that was the WNBL

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If this is true, I doubt there will be any Television coverage of the NBL next season

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Dazz  
Years ago

I have never heard anything about there being two bids? I thought the whole Brisbane concept was being pushed by the NBL, not by bidders? Surely if there were legitimate contenders out there we would have heard a lot more?

The only substantial thing I have heard is that it will be run by Sengstock and backed by Paul Bendat.

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GWB  
Years ago

Whose JVG?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There were two bids for the WNBL license.

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paul  
Years ago

After the consortium working for a bid was rejected by the Chair all I'd heard of was the NBL working to establish a team. Incredible if they can't start a team in their own league, doesn't augur well for the future.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Paul, do you mean Graeme Wade rejected the consortium? (Ie Paul Bendat?)

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paul  
Years ago

Nah, I don't really see a board member as a bidder.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I don't understand ?

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paul  
Years ago

I would personally consider Bendat's efforts to be related to NBL efforts because of his postion.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bad news but more worrying is no progress on the TV front. So basically no one is interested? :x

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So no progress on the TV front.

So, Graeme Wade can already be put in the same class as:

John Rymarz
Rick Burton
Larry Sengstock
Kristina Kenneally
Chuck Harmison
Peter Ali

(In other words, they all failed)

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koberulz  
Years ago

How do we know there's no progress on the TV front? I'd imagine they wouldn't announce anything until after the season, unless they're renewing the current deals.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Fraser Neill

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Brisbane is bait for TV. No TV means no use for the bait.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What did JVG actually post?

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paul  
Years ago

Graeme Wade isn't the CEO, he's the chair of the board, so he can't be put in the same class as:

John Rymarz
Rick Burton
Larry Sengstock
Kristina Kenneally
Chuck Harmison
Peter Ali

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Nobody  
Years ago

I thought Nick Marvin was now responsible for TV rights.
JVG said "The latest Bullets "bid" has apparently been withdrawn. It seems like we've heard similar things before!"

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Graeme Wade isn't the CEO, he's the chair of the board, so he can't be put in the same class as"

Yes Paul but correct me if I'm wrong, Wade is in control of TV and expansion until a CEO is found? (At least that is what his recent interviews indicate)

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paul  
Years ago

I believe Nick Marvin is in charge of the TV side of things at the moment. It's a bit too early to write off TV for next season yet, from memory the deal was sealed a few weeks before the season in 2009.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

The Brisbane bid isn't dead. It's "near dead."

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Blitz101  
Years ago

Just read that every ANZ Championships game will be on TV between foxtel and channel 10 or the next 2 years yet the NBL can't strike a deal or give us any news on that front

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Nobody  
Years ago

Not sure where you get the notion of near dead UweB.
JVG said 1 hr ago "Well as I understand it the plan that was considered their best, has now fallen through. I'd be doubtful a second plan or group would get up now. It's nearly March. I think even with the money in place - which has generally been the major factor to this point - any group trying to get an entire franchise organised in 6 months is inviting chaos"
If you cant get money from Bendant then IMO it is over. The question has to be why the money now isn't apparently forthcoming.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

It was a joke based on the "near live" clause which has plagued the TV deal for five years.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good bye NBL then. I've had enough

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The following article was in the news less than two weeks ago

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/more-sports/nbl-the-grand-plan-to-bring-the-brisbane-bullets-back-to-life/story-fnii0hmo-1227223342595

WHAT THE F#CK WENT WRONG!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nbl keep hiring the wrong people. I'd personally go for a new guy who has a passion for basketball and a sports or marketing degree of some kind. Would be cheaper too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hearing NBL is about to make a big announcement in te next 30 mins... Could it be?!?!?

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Train  
Years ago

Seems like a strange time of the day to make a major announcement . Where are you sourcing that information from ?

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NBL Fan  
Years ago

I just saw the announcement is that Brian Conklin is in the NBL 1st team and Todd Blanchfield is the most improved player for the NBL.

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Dazz  
Years ago

I didn't know JVG even commentated on NBL? What would his interest be?

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Nobody  
Years ago

If you knew who he was you would understand his NBL interest.
After last nights debacle of the NBL MVP, you really truly see what a joke this new NBL is.

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NBL Fan  
Years ago

In today's Sunday Mail it says the NBL and the ownership group are battling over restrictions and especially over the playing venue.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can you post a link please

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

What restrictions are they battling over?

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NBL Fan  
Years ago

"the two parties (NBL and ownership group) are battling over restrictions being placed on the ownership licence, especially with regards to the playing venue."

Plans were being made to announce the team had been accepted into the NBL in a few weeks time but progress has slowed down once again.

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paul  
Years ago

The NBL (Marvin's?) obsession with the team playing in certain venues has killed off one bid, they better not do it again.

If the Bullets have to play in a mix of venues early on to be sustainable let them do it, trying to limit their options in the licence agreement is just stupidity.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Nick Marvin is responsible for the restrictions, he must be a very silly man.

Going against his bosses son ?

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NBL Fan  
Years ago

Well they said they wanted to start in the Brisbane Convention Centre and then move to the QLD Tennis Centre once it become possible. I don't see any problem with the Convention Centre, great location and easily accessible but very expensive from what I hear. Maybe NBL wants them to play at the Entertainment Centre?

I always thought that the Entertainment centre could be used for 2 or 3 games a year. Opening night and two other big games.

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paul  
Years ago

Not as silly as the NBL Board arguing with a board member to get a team they need in the competition!

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Nobody  
Years ago

A 4000 or so seating venue is not up to what Nick wants clearly.
But has Nick obtained the TV rights as he has been tasked to do is more important. No TV who cares.

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Dazz  
Years ago

If you're talking basketball and referring to JVG, then that's Jeff Van Gundy. (Unless you are just randomly assigning monikers to people?)

And no, apart from his obvious Basketball credentials I can't understand why he would have an interest in the NBL.
I obviously do not know him personally, so if there's a connection I don't know about, maybe you could enlighten us instead of talking in riddles?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nothing worse for a basketball game/team to have a 10k+ venue with 2.5K fans watching.

Not every team can be Perth, especailly a team in a start up environment. They need the ability to scale up and down when supply and demand changes.

Perth will always be the Man U or the Yankees of the NBL. Having a Burnley or Tampa Bay Rays in the league isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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koberulz  
Years ago

If you're talking basketball and referring to JVG, then that's Jeff Van Gundy. (Unless you are just randomly assigning monikers to people?)
No, it's Jeff Van Groningen. Former Bullets GM, IIRC.

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Dazz  
Years ago

The NBL has been BURNED, again, and again, and again, by unsustainable fly-by-night teams.
They cannot afford for a new Brisbane team to go the way of countless others, and are right to insist on certain parameters.

If the "bidders" are saying "we don't have enough money to pay for a decent venue so we want to play in some shed in the sticks" then the NBL is right to reject this.

And here's the thing; either Marvin is a genius for what he has achieved and should be listened to. Or he is simply lucky enough to have seen the difference between playing at Challenge and at Perth Arena.

Brisbane is still a bigger city than Perth, so either The Wildcats are just epically awesome, or Brisbane can ASPIRE to similar crowds.
I am the first to admit, that had Challenge stadium been a 10k venue (but still in the middle of nowhere with poor access, shit facilities, bad seating and ludicrous parking) the Cats would never have filled it.

If you want to open a new 6-star hotel, you don't start with a roach motel in the burbs on the basis of moving later when you get the numbers up.

Part of the Cats success at Perth Arena has been signing over 9000k season members. You can't do that by playing a few games at the premium venue. And how would you pick? (Given that these things have to be programmed in well in advance.)

I'm not suggesting that Brisbane must achieve massive crowds in the first years back, but they need to start as they mean to proceed. Playing in front of 2000 diehard basketball fans is not an option, and that means they need to attract and look after the "softer" crowds.

A few years back, detractors suggested that Perth Arena would bankrupt the Cats and that they should stay at Challenge. Peth Arena was criticised as being too big for the NBL, and nobody could imagine them going form crowds of 3~4k to 13k+.

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Nobody  
Years ago

NO riddles here. You made an incorrect assumption.
Most basketball fans of the NBL, know of JVG and his former role with the Bullets. Currently he is with the Broncos and if anyone in Brissie knows whats going on with local Brissie sports JVG should.
The NBL lurch from once crisis to another. The mismanagement of the Brisbane (non) bid and now the NBL Awards are a joke.
Paul suggested earlier about steps forward, I have no idea what they are.
The old NBL IMO were better. All the new NBL have done is poached former Kings staff as their own who do very little.
Poor website, no media guides, stats poor, not even the ability to have a NBL AWARDS night.!!! Alienating the public by incompetence. Where does it stop. The list goes on and on. Now the NBL are in a position to possibly have no TV rights as well.
The vision of 16 teams in the NBL is a seriously deluded notion. As has been a Brisbane team for years.

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paul  
Years ago

The steps forward were getting on FTA, increasing crowds, increasing TV ratings, increasing social media presence. None of them were massive steps, but over time there was gradual improvement.

@ Dazz, if having a sustainable team in Brisbane means playing some games at big venues and some games at small venues, so be it. Name me one team that started in the league playing in only a big venue and succeeded?

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Dazz  
Years ago

No, as I said, JVG IS Jeff Van Gundy.
Not Jeremey Van Gutherson, or Ji Vo Gun.

I wouldn't claim that "I live next door to Madonna" because that is the middle name of some old Italian lady.
And in a basketball context I wouldn't say "Marvin told me the Brisbane Bid is going ahead" because I heard it from Marvin my barber.

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paul  
Years ago

Sorry mate, in Australian basketball JVG is Jeff Van Groningen. It's no shame not knowing, he hasn't been actively involved in recent years.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Particularly in the context of Brisbane specifically, it's quite clear (if you've heard of Van Groningen) which JVG is meant.

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Nobody  
Years ago

Paul I say yet again, what has the new NBL people actually done?
TV rights, they didn't get them. Crowds are up, that has nothing to do with the current NBL management.
Social media presence? Are you serious? Did you see the 2014 - 2015 NBL Awards announcement FB post like I didn't?
TV ratings? Possibly? but still pathetic.

Cant run a website, no naming sponsor still since taking over, alienating fans as I have already said. Premature ejaculation about Brisbane, Crocs close to extinction, TV rights possibly zero. NO general media interest. It's a train wreck.

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paul  
Years ago

What did I say about the new NBL?

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Swagger  
Years ago

JVG has been in the NBL since the early 90s as Supercats assistant.

The term JVG was know around NBL traps long before Van Gundy became head coach of New York.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Sorry mate, in Australian basketball JVG is Jeff Van Groningen. It's no shame not knowing, he hasn't been actively involved in recent years."

If one man gets the credit JVG was almost solely responsible for getting the NBL back on free-to-air TV with this current TV deal coming off the back of his High Stakes Hoops tournament.

Dazz, JVG also used to run the Melbourne Tigers, Brisbane Bullets and Adelaide 36ers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So Paul you agree that the new NBL has done SFA. No wonder its so broke.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Aren't the TV, website, and NBL.tv deal all left over from the BA adminsitration?

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paul  
Years ago

What the new admin has focused on is reducing costs for teams and making them more sustainable, and I understand they've done reasonably well.

The issue is, none of it will be sustainable without growth, and they don't appear to have achieved anything in almost two years that will drive that.

It's too soon to write off deals for next season, there's still a long way to go, but achieving a Brisbane team is an important plank in that and a real test of their credibility.

The other thing they did well was bring in some quality people like Tony Cochrane, Fraser Neill and Graeme Watson. Sadly, without some sort of independent governance those talents appear to have been wasted.

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KET  
Years ago

That Footlocker Hoops Classic thing would have been a good idea if it was played in some sort of outside setup in the city.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So they guys that you named Paul that aren't there now and in such a short time achieved exactly what?
I certainly know Watson and Neill jumped from the Titanic, why do you always seem to defend them?
The New NBL have achieved nothing in their time there already and you are talking about the alleged plusses of the old NBL FFS.
Right now the NBL is on the tipping point of folding. By all means continue on with the possibly 8 teams for another few seasons. But when will it possibly expand if it can't happen right now? This is indeed the right time to happen and clearly from where I sit, it won't happen.
To invent / admit a team with 6 months to go for next season is ludicrous.

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paul  
Years ago

Sorry buddy, you misinterpreting my post and going off on a tangent isn't my issue.

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