RMQ
Years ago

Nick Marvin speaks - discusses Crocs, Asia & more

Good listen - provides some insight. Sounds like the NBL isn't standing for poor management

http://www.6pr.com.au/news/wildcats-targeting-asia-20150311-141l3n.html

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alexkrad  
Years ago

Good on him for pointing the finger directly instead of babying the weak links like most of us do due to nostalgia or any other reason.
Will probably cop flack for it but is exactly what the NBL should be doing from a business stand point, which is clearly where it is failing, because we all know the on court product is at a very high level at the moment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So it's Townsville's fault they don't have a fat cat to fund their growth? It's easy for Marvin to talk when he's had Bendat's wealth to bankrole the Wildcats prior to them achieving profitability. This douche is a walking/talking example of what's wrong with the league & I for one hope he does piss off to Asia.

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Mystro  
Years ago

Townsville were once one of the best supported franchises in the league but now struggle to fill a second rate shed, how is this the leagues fault?
The blame rest squarely with the franchise management and their poor decision making.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If the AFL took this path through the 90s and 2000s the league would be left with Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and the West Coast Eagles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree Mystro.

Sounds like the NBL is tired of Townsvilles bad management

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

"So it's Townsville's fault they don't have a fat cat to fund their growth? It's easy for Marvin to talk when he's had Bendat's wealth to bankrole the Wildcats prior to them achieving profitability. This douche is a walking/talking example of what's wrong with the league & I for one hope he does piss off to Asia."

Just because you don't like what he has to say, it doesn't make him the problem.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes, the huge unemployment rate is all the Crocs management's fault.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/gloomy-job-outlook-from-bureau-of-statistics-may-flag-fresh-recession/story-fnjfzs4b-1226894474181

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The NBL itself don't market the game well! Stop bickering and people need to roll their sleeves up amd have a go. That's why I like the 7Mil proposal. The NBL need to move with the times and marketing/TV is the key. Yeah, Townsville may have had their front office issues, but playing in a league that sends out tweets about MVP awards at 11pm doesn't help!

If all the complainers want a league, we better start being constructive and stop the silly bickering amongst ourselves with the he said she said stuff as well as in-fighting

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nobody said Marvin was the problem Uwe but his attitude of "we're all right & stuff everybody else" is exactly why the league cannot move forwards.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

That isn't what he is saying at all. He is saying that over the past two years, the time and money they have invested in Townsville has amounted to nothing and its pointless continuing.

Also...

"This douche is a walking/talking example of what's wrong with the league"

...is a pretty clear cut instance of someone calling Marvin the problem.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He had mostly positive things to say about the other clubs. Singled out Townsville for a pretty scathing serve.
Just maybe there is something in that?
Must be frustrating pouring money into a struggling club and seeing them squander it.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

'My house is in good order and condition.'. ain't much good if next door is a mess..I think isaac forman said that...

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alexkrad  
Years ago

So knock the house next door down and build a shiny new one instead?

You can pour a lot of money into renovating an old house without actually improving it at all..

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Thats right, because its always your neighbours fault that you can't be arsed watering your lawn.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That doesn't mean you can p*** on it.

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Mystro  
Years ago

"Yes, the huge unemployment rate is all the Crocs management's fault."

I have not seen one post on a forum from a Crocs supporter saying they will not support the team due to their own personal financial difficulties, a lot of disharmony goes back to when Rillie & Homicide were cut who were very strong club personalities.

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King Podge  
Years ago

I think Marvin's been getting tact lessons from Tony Abbott - doesn't matter if your point is valid if you're coming across like a bit of a dick.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Well too bad. The Crocs were happy to fire shots through the media, so the league fired back.

People have been waiting for the league to make a statement and they did.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

"Nick,
If you didnt cheat the salary cap every year, regional teams would be able to compete with Perth. The chairman of the NBL Board cheating his own system! If you didnt cheat your own rule that YOU MADE with regards to Marquee Players, other clubs would have been able to benefit from it. You are the reason the NBL didnt accept the $7million offer to buy 51% of the league and now everyone but you is suffering!"

Crocs staff member. Officially lost the plot. No skin of my nose that this sort of twat isn't in the league any more.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"I have not seen one post on a forum from a Crocs supporter saying they will not support the team due to their own personal financial difficulties, a lot of disharmony goes back to when Rillie & Homicide were cut who were very strong club personalities."

There was a lot of disharmony at the Crocs when Stacker was axed too Mystro yet they still managed to attract decent crowds for years afterwards then too. Were there any other incidents many years ago that you think might be impacting their current situation?

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Wasn't that because they continued to make the playoffs under Gleeson, yet struggled more or less since Homicide and Rillie were cut?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Crocs staff member sounded on the money.

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kr  
Years ago

"Former Crocs chairman ­George Colbran said it was a sad day for the city.

He pointed the finger at the owners of the Townsville Entertainment and Convention Centre - Townsville City Council and Jupiters Hotel and Casino – for removing parking and charging high rent."

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Crocs staff member just made sure he's unemployed if the Crocs survive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hey mystro, do you know why rillie and homicide were cut ? Maybe because of the ridiculous amounts of money they and their managers wanted to play on.

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D4444  
Years ago

I hope Crocs staff member has a good lawyer.

One who works cheap too haha.

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Wilson Sting  
Years ago

"I have not seen one post on a forum from a Crocs supporter"

Just curious, are there any die-hard Crocs fans on this forum?

The question should be does Townsville actually want an NBL team anymore? The people I know from TSV (several) that used to religiously go to every game have been over it for years, once management got them off-side.

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kr  
Years ago

A GROUP of Townsville businessmen has offered to help save the Townsville Crocodiles, provided the NBL guarantees the club a place in the 2015/16 season.

The group, lead by QSafe Solutions principal Andrew Gisinger, is prepared to inject cash into the club and take over the board under a deed of company arrangement.

The club entered voluntary administration on Tuesday ­following significant losses in recent years. BRI Ferrier Townsville principal Moira Carter will now take over the club for at least 25 days before a deed of company arrangement will be entered into, with Mr Gisinger then willing to take on the role of chairman.

The club said it was faced with no choice after the NBL declined to pledge any financial support or provide detail on how many teams would be in the league next season.

"I was happy to put in some money to cover the cash flow and go to market early," Mr Gisinger said.

“However, there's no way you can ask people for money if they don’t know what the league is going to look like.”

Crocodiles general manager Jeremy Moffat said the club needed assurances from the NBL before the group could help address cashflow issues.

He urged local businesses to pledge their support.

“We have a group of local business people who are quite willing to put money into the club on the condition of where the season heads to next season,” Mr Moffat said.

The Bulletin understands the Crocs suffered losses of more than $400,000 in 2013/14 and was gearing up for a ­possibly worse result this year after its ill-fated move to Townsville RSL Stadium.

Mr Moffat said a number of mistakes were made in recent years, including ticket pricing, while the stadium move was never going to work.

“We have a $1 million payroll and a 2000-seat stadium,’’ he said. “You do the maths.”

The company is also in breach of the Corporations Act 2001 for not holding its annual general meeting within 18 months of registration and five months of the end of the 2013/14 financial year.

An ASIC spokeswoman said it was aware the club failed to hold its AGM within the required period and confirmed it was not exempt from the Act.

Club administrator Moira Carter said she was confident the club had enough support to continue next year.

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Mystro  
Years ago

"The people I know from TSV (several) that used to religiously go to every game have been over it for years, once management got them off-side."

exactly what I have been hearing from the Townsville fans over the past few years.

"Hey mystro, do you know why rillie and homicide were cut ? Maybe because of the ridiculous amounts of money they and their managers wanted to play on."

I'm sure NZ paid Rillie millions for his season here on our bench and maybe it was worth the money to Townsville to keep the fans who keep the club afloat happy?

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Isaac  
Years ago

Rillie was on the way out (as with Bruton since) and Homicide was very expensive for that sort of player. Might've been able to manage the transition better though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

that is not a staff member

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Jonno  
Years ago

Good news if the Crocs can survive imo, these business men stepping up is exactly what was needed after the NBL had said they were not going to prop it up anymore.

Hopefully they can keep the Crocs and Hawks and get Brisbane up and move forward with a 9 team league next season,

re-jig things slightly, maybe the league could work with clubs to ensure they budget properly, i like Isaacs suggestion in his model of a $500k salary cap to keep it affordable, maybe something around $750k which is what Cairns are rumoured to have spent on last years GF team is a good mid point and would at the very least make it a bit more affordable to run a NBL club.

Heres hoping this all helps the Crocs survive and its good news for the NBL for now on.

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Lawsy  
Years ago

Townsville can not fill a 2000 seat rsl I repeat Townsville can not fill a 2000 seat rsl... What the hell are they doing in our premium basketball comp? Piss em off - bring in brisbane, end of story

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can we piss Lawsy off while we're at it?

Filling a 2,000 seat RSL stadium is not that hard, as a WNBL team proved. Filling it while bringing in enough revenue to pay an NBL roster is another matter entirely. I've got a lot of sympathy for the Crocs due to the stadium situation they copped.
Hopefully they can pull through because they are definitely a worthy inclusion in the NBL and have proven this for many years now. One speed bump should not be allowed to wreck everything for them.

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Dazz  
Years ago

So it's Townsville's fault they don't have a fat cat to fund their growth?

Well of course it is. Who else would you blame???
An NBL Franchise MUST have somebody with deep pockets. Whys is that so hard for people to understand?

It's great that Gisinger wants to back them, but you'll note he also wants to take over the board and fix the mismanagement.

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Vic Wildcat  
Years ago

Let's hope the local guys are in for the long haul and not just for a 1 year saviour type deal, or the club will be back to the same posi next year.

Being a Cats fan i know how lucky we have been, we've always seemed to have a wealthy backer help us since our play off run has started. From Kerry Stokes and Bob Williams to Luc Longley and now Bendat, we have been blessed.

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kr  
Years ago

Not sure if anyone read the reply to said "ex crocs staff Member" very interesting!

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

"The company is also in breach of the Corporations Act 2001 for not holding its annual general meeting within 18 months of registration and five months of the end of the 2013/14 financial year.

An ASIC spokeswoman said it was aware the club failed to hold its AGM within the required period and confirmed it was not exempt from the Act."

How can you have an AGM when Nick Marvin is cheating? Gosh!

/s

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Anonymous  
Years ago

although it pains me to say, a lot of what is being said is true...

-ex staff member

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Matthew  
Years ago

The issue its coming down to is . or at least it appears to be the rent each of these individual stadiums/arenas/other are charging these teams. This should be something the NBL itself as the provider of the competition should be handling imo. They should be the ones out negotiating with the stadium owners. Not the teams themselves.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I notice that the Crocs staff member in question has now wisely removed his real name from his remarks and now appears there as "Guest"

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Isaac  
Years ago

An NBL Franchise MUST have somebody with deep pockets. Whys is that so hard for people to understand?
Is Cairns backed by deep pockets? Was Brisbane, South Dragons, Gold Coast?

It's no panacea. A better foundation for each club would make it less essential.

Otherwise you're limited to a cross section of very wealthy people, who really like basketball, don't lose interest and don't mind losing money. If you have a more viable product as a base, then you open the field to local associations, less wealthy entrepreneurs, plus you're more likely to keep an investor around if they're not making up such a shortfall each year.

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A. Bitoni Fan  
Years ago

It sounded from that interview that if Townsville fall over, we will see Brisbane back in. Is this why there has been confusion about whether Brisbane is IN or OUT? Waiting on Townsville, perhaps.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Put Marvin in a non-fatcat backed club and he would fail. Get a grip Starvin' you are just in the right place at the right time and messing everything for the other clubs when you were on the league board.

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Dazz  
Years ago

Nobody likes losing money, and Bendat doesn't NOW. But nobody pretends that he wasn't supporting the Cats through the Challenge years.

What's the alternative?
Cut the salary cap, bring in an overhead cap, and force all the teams back to semi-pro status??
Fraser Neill, is that you???

It's nice to prattle on about community based clubs, but the NBL has been dominated by professional teams for a long time, and those without backing have mostly failed.
I'm not defending the model, just pointing out that this is the way it is.

At the end of the day, nobody wants to lose money. The DIFFERENCE is that a millionaire backed team can afford a couple of bad seasons, a community backed team can't.

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koberulz  
Years ago

The only profitable team in the entire league is community-backed.

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Uwe Blab  
Years ago

Can you stop saying that? You're basing that on one minor quote about Perth from an article you never even read.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Dazz, which is why the league should structure things so that a community team isn't threatened like that nor a backed team be at the threat of losing their owner - there are countless examples of that happening.

Your talk of a reduction in cap only is a false dichotomy. I've listed a few ways the league could provide for all clubs.

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Hoopster  
Years ago

Marvin is saying what's true, NBL propping up unfinacial clubs.
Like Lawsy says "Townsville can not fill a 2000 seat rsl Piss em off - bring in brisbane, end of story"
It's called getting rid of the dead wood.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Vic Wildcat - respect to you for acknowledging the blessed situation your team has been in. That is the start to keeping the league going. Knowing what who when and why needs to be acknowledged as part of the plan moving forward as it will guide you without blinkers and help with decision making. Every state Nd team metro or regional have different circumstances. NBA is no different and why respect to James with Cavs community being in a lower socioeconomic to say Lakers means the teams issues are completely different and he recognised that and knew giving back to his home will bring positive stuff to a community with issues. Those 2hrs at the court are uplifting and gives the community solidarity. This is where Cairns is at and why Townsville and Woolongong need help to give that spirit that basketball can give back to the community. There is an element of social responsibility which the NBA recognised and is a major part of their culture and was seen as essential in their rise to no 1 sport in US. All the owners were brought on board that concept and it has paid off over time. We need our wealthy owners to have that vision here too in Australia. The most unfortunate thing is our lack of sponsorship and college system in the states. Building NBA links is very important now to tap in to that market with ours being the second highest league pass subscribers in the world. Perhaps that is an avenue we should explore as well. Start dialogue with them as the US may be interested in our product more than we realise !!

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