Curtley, I don't really agree. It just opens up more depth and opportunities. Some of the the kids not involved in U19s worlds will develop over the US and come back and play for boomers. Whilst the US kids are absent it opens up a window for others. We need to pumpout more depth now. Focus on that BA!

Interesting, how can any articles be printed in the media about any players without approval from Basketball Australia's approval

Has the list been released any ideas of who performed well at the camp

Runnalls is front row 1st on the left

Any feedback of who they are looking at

When will Basketball Australia announce this squad ?? Any ideas

Hearing the players informed last night.

Does anyone know how many are top age for this squad

I understand they are all currently bottom age U18's but will stand corrected

Dalton, Dent, Fakira, Froling, Runnalls are all competing at the U16 nationals in a couple of weeks.

Are there any heights or positions that these kids play

Just wondering how a player from the States make this list over Aussie kids

Hilarious, he is Australian?

Wish Kyrie had been picked for U17s. We'd have him now.

here's a go, can anyone fill in the missing info

Jhonny Lutula (1999) PG
Alexander Mudronja (1999) PG
Lachlan Dent (2000) PG
Kyle Zunic (1999) PG
Patrick Bines (1999) PG/SG 192
Dragan Elkaz (1999) SG 195
Tom Fullarton (1999) SG/SF 199
Biar Garang (1999) SF 195
Jordan Starr (?1999?) SF 197
Bailey Griffiths (1999)
Matthew Johns (1999) SF/PF 196?
Benjamin Fakira (2000) PF 203
Samson Froling (2000) PF 205
Ryan Runnalls (2000) PF/C 204
Callum Dalton (2000) PF/C 205
Mate Colina (1999) C 208

I will have a go.

Jhonny Lutula (1999) PG 186
Alexander Mudronja (1999) PG 194
Lachlan Dent (2000) PG 186
Kyle Zunic (1999) PG 192
Patrick Bines (1999) PG/SG 192
Dragan Elkaz (1999) SG 195
Tom Fullarton (1999) SG/SF 199
Biar Garang (1999) SF 195
Jordan Starr (?1999?) SF 197
Bailey Griffiths (1999) 199
Matthew Johns (1999) SF/PF 196?
Benjamin Fakira (2000) PF 203
Samson Froling (2000) PF 205
Ryan Runnalls (2000) PF/C 204
Callum Dalton (2000) PF/C 205
Mate Colina (1999) C 208

Wow that's half the group are guards what are they thinking

That they haven't decided the guards yet but have decided most of the other positions?

If your correct and they haven't chosen the guards yet who's the pick

No idea, it just seemed an obvious conclusion.

Maybe they'll keep all the guards and loose some tall's

Following and watching the 19's will this group follow what's now happening any thoughts if BA are on the right track for the next group of young future Boomers moving forwards any thoughts

Things are on the right track in terms of developing talent and competing. Unfortunately if the coaches at the pointy end can't get it done in tight games then the results won't be there despite the talent coming through.

Does any one know if the funding of this program was cut

U17 men's basketball looking like?

6'2 Lachlan dent/1 of 6'3 zunic, 6'4 mudronja, 6'1 lutula
6'5 Jordan Starr/6'4 dragan Elkaz/6'3 Patrick bines
6'6 Tom Fullarton/6'5 biar garang
6'9 Samson froling/2 of 6'8 runnalls, 6'8 fakira, 6'6 johns.
6'9 Callum dalton/6'10 mate Colina

Maybe ky Matthew Hampton unlucky to make it imo.

Your last sentence is hilarious.

What's so funny? He's a good scorer...

He's a good scorer because he takes a lot of shots. Lots of players could do the same if they were in a system that allowed them to take that many shots. That doesn't make him an Oz rep unfortunately.

He was invited to the previous camp before they reduced it down to 16.
guys In that final 16 aren't necessaryly the best available.
It's because they've been viewed close up by selectors and invited to camps and performed well or shown glimpses. one good showing shouldn't beat out consistency.

There are some boys who have been lucky to have gone through to the final 16 doesn't mean they are better players in a game situation from my understanding most of this camp was drills not playing conditions

982, stop being so naïve.

I'm guessing you're just a kid and obviously a friend of the player in question.

Is it to late for players who have done well at these nationals to be included in this list

Invitations can be made, is it a tall

6.5

Presuming if a male still a guard or small forward. I think you may find we have enough. If female lets hope she catches the right eye !

No one comes close to these 5 bigs imo. Unless they go smaller...

Dalton
Froling
Fakira
Colina
Johns

Is this list all top age 16's

Runnalls over Fakira for me, #242

Dalton and froling standouts..
Fakira has done ok in the rebounding department.
How many minutes has runnalls been getting behind froling or are they on at the same time?


Jazmin Shelley a possibility for u17s next year? (Abel/Cubillo?)
Haylee andrews seems to be performing well on the stats sheet also. Any good?
Goodchild beating out heal?

Runnalls and Froling playing together a bit, which I find a fairly impressive comment on Froling's versatility. I think he's better than Harry was at this point, though they're definitely different players.

I think this group will look different after next years 18's

After this week any thoughts of the five 2000 on this list have the performed well to still have a spot on this squad should there be other players that should have been considered

BA video - showing all the players on each of the teams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXkx0xoOig

add Austin Bradtke to U17 maybe Kyle Bowen

Camp is only a week away it looks like there are a couple of players on the list who have under performed at 16 nationals is it to late for BA to make changes

Need to qualify first ahaha

Yes so let's hope the selectors have made the right choices otherwise wasted opportunity for some young players moving forwards in this sport

I'm confused wouldn't most of this 17 team be top age players not many would be at nationals anyway, the selectors have been looking at players here in Australia as well as OS to find these players so you would think they have already made there decisions

The "right choices" meaning my son. Basketball sure seems to breed higher than average lunatic parents.

As 454 pointed out, the bulk of our U17 group for worlds will be made up of kids who are bottom age 18s at the moment anyway.

Networks, really is everyone on BA payroll.

For every decent player a kid is chosen for reasons such as parentage, political, favoritism or the old boys club, have we not already established this many times over.

Would people agree that the starting 5 will most likely be..

Dent/Starr/Fullarton/froling/dalton?

Agree with 534comment there is no question that even at this level that favouritism doesn't play a part the fact that in this group is a player who has not played in the Aus system never represented a state team at nationals seems to walk straight in should say something sure he's a good player is he any better then any of the boys who have played this week mmm

Starr is good but no better than Fullarton.

The trouble is finding a good backup pg to dent.
Doesn't seem asthough we have many this time round.

Dent
Bines
Starr
Fullarton
Froling
Dalton
Runnalls

+5 of zunic/lutula/mudronja/Elkaz/Griffiths/garang/johns/fakira

Oh and Colina. The 6'10 big man...

Dent/zunic
Starr/bines/Elkaz
Fullarton/garang
Froling/runnalls/fakira
Dalton/Colina

Mudronj a may replace zunic.
Johns might sneak in for garang or fakira.

while I don't think Austin Bradtke will get a look in at the qualifiers Vs NZ I do think he will move into contention for the next lot of training camps (*if we qualify against New Zealand) leading into the world champs next year.


Nice article on,

Mark Bradtke and Andrew Vlahov, with their sons Austin Bradtke and Ethan Vlahov at the Australian Under-16 Basketball Championships

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/3193580/sons-of-guns-show-sport-has-great-future/

Austin looks to be about 202-3cm, I think he is 2000 born?

Women's 12 final roster imo

Abel/Shelley/heal
Simmons/goodchild
Mole/Simons/dangelo
Pizzey/Cochrane
Magbegor/Rees

I think you are a way off in the guard spots.

The next camp for the 17s will be interesting. The above list for the girls has the 7 under 16/15s included. That's unlikely. How the top age group have developed since 18s will be crucial. Against slightly older, stronger bodies, some of these might not look as impressive. Not going to name names out of respect for their ages, but could be as few as 2-3 in the final 12. At least one big and three guards better in older group.

As for the boys team, the aim is for the best team to be available next year. Can see 1 guard and 3 bigs looking pretty likely from the u/16 group. Hope they all stay healthy and interested enough to keep developing till then.

Only 3 bottom aged girls invited to the camp.

Traditionally the Auscamp groups were targeted so they were top age in the year of their potential championships. That is why the u17 and19 WC's are on subsequent years, that way all athletes have the opportunity to reach their highest potential at their targeted championship.
This appears to no longer be he case. Very few of the originally targeted group made it to the U19s this year, instead they chose to use COE athletes and move players up from the U17 group. Not saying this is good or bad but IMHO the lack of team bond seemed evident in that group.
The cynic in me tends to think it is largely budget driven. The number of camps seems to have reduced, lead up tournaments have been cut and the program generally contracted.
Federal funding was obviously cut with the lack of perceived success from the men's seniour program. The AIS program was significantly reduced back to the COE which then targeted resources towards the women's senior program, as was obviously warranted due to their success. The ripple effect of these cuts will be felt for years.
The obvious result is the elevation of the US college pathway as the preferred pathway for our best basketballers. Kids moving over there early to maximise their chances in the system and seeing reduced value in coming back for tournaments with teams they have not developed or trained with or feel part of.
What used to be about development is starting to look more like desperately trying to win to justify a return of funding. Just my opinion as an interested bystander!

After NZ when will they re look at this group for the next camp how many extra kids will be added to the original squad ?

Have there been extra names added after last week ? If so it would contradict the
lack of funding comments

Have heard some changes not sure if it's true

I chose Abel/Shelley and heal because all 3 can get to the basket, are excellent ft shooters and can distribute. Ok defenders.

Cubillo shoots at a really low percentage and turns the ball over frequently.
Stats can be deceiving. She has been doing ok in vic league of late? Definitely could play over heal.

The other girls in camp are primarily sg's. George, lehmann, satie etc
Simmons and goodchild who I chose are also better suited to the 2.
Once again, get to the basket types... Who are also excellent mid range and ft shooters with a lot of hustle on both ends.

The other g or f spots are really anyone's guess.
Girls that Have been to many camps previously may get the nod.
Mole, McLean, Rowe, bourne. Eventhough they are stronger and more experienced I would still pick some of the younger girls over them even for a loss at the defensive end. Mole and possibly McLean I would take along with Simons and possibly Dangelo.
The ability to shoot at a descent percentage and simply Move the ball or dribble the ball under control through traffic counts for alot.

The post positions are pretty straight forward.
Magbegor and pizzey are the 2 I like. 1-2 more out of Rees, Cochrane and motuga.
Each of the last 3 offer something different.

Just my opinion.
What would you change?

What about the boys group who leave this week for the next camp what have changes have been made

Parents hoping for changes?

^ 16 have currently been named (its listed above!).

if changes have been made at this stage I would think it would come down to injury replacement or unavailability...

Its all about qualifying against NZ (right now) so changes should be minimal at this stage due to the limited opportunities to get the squad together which has been a symptom of small resources to work with.

After qualifying (hopefully) the squad will expand again and hopefully see the re-establishment of a larger number of camps with a focus on playing games again state league calibre mens teams (as game time in the lead up has sorely been missing).

McDowell-White should of been named in that squad

The whole squad plus extras there is already quiet a few younger players in this group surely they are not as strong as the top age players

Word is Biar Garang has been ruled out for not being an Aussie citizen

How can this happen??

Really why have they only worked this out I guess he's also 20

Biar Garang

Six months down the track from the first camp and BA have only now worked that out what's wrong with this story sounds fishy

So which SF are they going to bring in

Anonymous 665 I guess you never met him or have even laid eyes on him. If you had any idea who he was you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.

He is a nice kid who has been given more opportunities then a lot of other kids how is it that it's been now that BA & BSA have worked this out

Johns has more versatility than biar garang imo.

Didn't the squad have to commit their paperwork months ago

I wonder if they've checked if the player from US is Australian

#653, I think you are off the mark.

First point again (without naming players) is that only 3 bottom age girls are in the 16 going to Canberra on Friday.

From what I saw at nationals that seems pretty right.

The young guards had little impact against quality defence and some looked like they have already reached their ceiling. Others looked like they have A LOT of work to do to play at u17 worlds level.

Similarly one of the SA girls with a big reputation is now small and slow footed - scores heavily against weak opposition but looks like her time may have passed.

Johns is already on the list for this weeks camp so probably already chosen they will need to look at another SF to look at

Why would you need another sf?

Fullarton, Starr, johns and potentially garang play the 3.
Starr and Fullarton also playing the 2 spot. Johns as a small pf at 6'6-6'7.

Yeh sure fast track becoming an Australian in four days how is that even fair to any other players in the original squad some other young player for this position misses out why because he is Australian

The list I think. 23 atm with reduction to 16 late July?
Heights, positions and y.o.b? Roughly...

Guards?
5'7 Abel 99
5'3 Cubillo 99
5'7 Shelley 00
5'6 Heal 00 or 01
5'7 George 99
5'7 Lehmann 99
wynne 99
5'8 Goodchild 00
5'9 Satie 99
5'10 Dangelo 00

Guards/forwards?
5'10 Simmons 99
5'10 Bourne 99
5'11 Simons 00
5'11 McLean 99
6'0 mole 99
6'0 Rowe 99

Post players?
6'1 Motuga 00
6'2 Batish 99
6'3 mcspadden 99
6'3 Cochrane 99
6'3 Pizzey 99
6'4 Rees 99
6'4 Magbegor 99

After Oceanias...
A few that might get a look in after u16 you would think are:

H.Andrews pg
McDowell white pg
E.brett g
J.rennie g
R.schweizer g/f
I.palmer g/f
C.gould g/f
e.clarke f
M.puli f
E.burke f
I.bourne f

A few others...

When heights, positions and y.o.b are all wrong probably best you don't name children publicly.

23 named in larger squad with FIBA

16 invited to camp that is on this Friday at the COE.

Why do they name 23 in the squad if they only want to work with 16 is this how it's always done what happens to the players named in the squad who don't go to the camp

Men: They have had 1 camp already and then cut from 23 to 16 for the camp this weekend.

I think you'll find the boys squad had 24 on their list not 23

Final 17 for women's u17 chosen.
Looks like most of the bottom ages are out.

Rebecca Abel (Tas) Penguin
Ella Batish (Vic Metro) Sandringham
Callie Bourne (ACT) Norths
Lucy Cochrane (Vic Metro) Sandringham
Abby Cubillo (NT) Darwin
Najvada George (Vic Metro) Dandenong
Hannah Lehman (SA Metro) Forestville
Cassidy McLean (NSW Country) Newcastle
Lara McSpadden (NSW Country) Newcastle
Ezi Magbegor (Vic Metro) Coburg
Tayla Mole (Tas) Wellington
Rebecca Pizzey (Vic Metro) Bulleen
Darcy Rees (SA Metro) Forestville
Kiera Rowe (Vic Metro) Bulleen
Jazmin Shelley (Vic Country) LaTrobe Energy
Jasmine Simmons (NSW Country) Bathurst
Samantha Simons (SA Metro) Forestville

My pick.

Abel
Cubillo
Shelley
George
Simmons
Bourne
Simons
McLean
Mole
Pizzey
Rees
Magbegor

Lol

Any one game to name the final 12 for the boys

Dent/zunic
Starr/bines/Elkaz
Fullarton/johns
Froling/runnalls/fakira
Dalton/Colina

How many top age vs bottom age on your list

Curious as to what states the players above are from

#225

4 nsw
3 vic
4 qld
1 usa

Ha that cracks me up how many in the squad from NSW

Maybe fakira out for garang or another guard. Mudronja maybe.

Garang is not up for selection

Why not just call it u/16's then

Camp held last weekend when will the final team be announced

Shortly

The girls were told yesterday on the final day of the camp so just waiting for BA to do the official release.

Big group compared to 2014 side.

Not sure how he was even chosen for the first camp didn't see his name down as playing nationals this year

Noticed there's a pic up on Coe Facebook of the women's 16 chosen.
Magbegor no doubt will be the starting centre. (Who's not in the pic due to u19)

Thanks coach

Any idea what boys did well over the weekend will there be any late minute surprises

The girls team will have plenty of height, some very tall and talented girls in that photo.

Will be very interesting to see who makes the final 12 for both sides.

Will the u16 Oceania champs be live streamed?
Less than a month before tournament starts I believe.

099, as anonymous pointed out, most of the players in this squad are bottom age 18s, so you couldn't have seen them at U16 Nationals anyway.

I'm not really sure what you're on about.

There is lots of talk getting out now about who made it. Let's just let BA do the proper releases and wish the players good luck that make it.

Does anyone have any idea of what the no squads will look like? And the talent they have?

Nz squads*

NZ women can't compete with state teams at Nationals. Men seem to be a bit closer to the mark.

Didn't nz girls have most of there young women playing junior tournaments back home?

Their*

And who knows?

NZ didn't compete at this years nationals

U16. Yes they did.

Why are there so many posts about u/16 when most of the kids will be bottom age 18's

Were both the girls and boys team already told at the end of camp so just waiting for it to be officially announced

Schools Nationals? haha there is no way a national coach will pick a player from that alone.

Girls team up on BA site

Who was picked up from school nationals

Congratulations to the girls chosen

Please name one player in those group who have missed playing State and was chosen from school Nationals???

None. It was a dumb comment by someone with no knowledge of the basketball pathway.

For other fun comments, have a look at the sooky Queenslanders cry foul on facebook where the BA announcement of the team is made. Someone should mention to them that it is an U/17 tournament, not an U/16...

For some reason a lot of posts make it almost sound like a right of passage for the u/16 to make these teams

Two boys at least didn't make nationals

There is only 3 Queensland girls in the whole squad and none of them even went to camp so how do you expect them to be chosen. Goodchild, Heal and Motuga and all are bottom age. Their chance will come in time.

Heal is double-bottom-aged - she is bottom age U/16...

Also a lot u/16 boys

"Their chance will come in time"

Not necessarily. I can't believe the rubbish about Queenslanders complaining these girls aren't in the team. It is an absolute privilege to make the squad and needs to be treated that way.

Suprising picks but looks like a nice squad.

So?

CubilloShelley
Simmons/Simons/george
McLean/Rowe
Mcspadden/cochrane/batish
Magbegor/pizzey

7 vic
1 nt
3 nsw
1 sa

Even though Cochrane is a forward/guard, everyone keeps playing her as a centre so she will play there with Ezi I'm guessing. Tallest and youngest in the team, will be 14 still when they play.

How tall is cochrane?
Magbegor is 6'4 193cm.

Imo cochrane will play pf. She can at least shoot the mid range. Magbegor can't just yet. The other centre will most likely be pizzey who backed up magbegor at u18s or batish who is a solid defender but has a lot less length.
All the other positions are pretty straightforward. George will probably play pg on occasion.

Boys been told!

Boys been told!

Oops, Basketball SA put a fb post congratulating the girls and boys who made the team, yet no official announcement yet for the men's team. Awkward!

Yeah well if BA hurried up and announced it this would eliminate these issues. Here you have kids making their first Australian team, they're super excited and can't celebrate it loud and proud but because Jane Aubrey hasn't pulled her finger out and posted it they have to keep quiet. Boys were told midday Monday. It's not fair on them to wait this long. Shame on BA

Boys U17 team announced

http://www.basketball.net.au/u17-men-named-2015-oceania-championship/

The 2015 Under-17 Oceania Championship men's team:

Patrick Bines (Vic) Melbourne
Mate Colina (Vic) Melbourne
Lachlan Dent (NSW) Illawarra
Dragan Elkaz (NSW) Bankstown
Benjamin Fakira (NSW) Hornsby
Samson Froling (Qld) Townsville
Tom Fullarton (Qld) Maroochydore
Bailey Griffiths (Vic) Melbourne
Matthew Johns (Vic) Geelong
Alexander Mudronja (SA) Sturt
Jordan Starr (USA) San Diego
Kyle Zunic (NSW) Illawarra

Emergencies: Brady Armstrong (Tas) Devonport, Callum Dalton (Qld) Gold Coast, Ky Matthews-Hampton (SA) Eastern, Ryan Runnalls (Qld) Cairns

Wow, Fakira over Dalton?? The rest unsurprising I think

Will giir ring get a call up?
6'7- 6'8 sf class of 2018 with a bunch of descent schools already offering him.
Florida state, Texas, Ohio state, Kansas state, Texas a&am etc.

Potentially a world's squad of?
Dent/zunic
Fullarton/Elkaz/bines
Johns/ring or garang(citizen?)
Froling/Griffiths/fakira or runnalls
Dalton/Colina

I guess it is all speculation until after 18s nationals and they go to camp. Lots of these boys and girls will have changed/grown/developed enormously over the last 6 months so will be interesting to see if any changes from Oceania teams.

Definitely agree. I can see a few changes in both men's and women's squads before June-July.

Who do you think could come in?

For the girls
Imo...
The coe girls are locks... And Unlikely to change...
Y.o.b, est heights, name and position.
00 5'8 Shelley pg/sg
99 5'3 Cubillo pg
00 5'11 Simons sg
99 5'11 Simmons sg/sf
99 6'0 Rowe sf
99 6'3 Pizzey pf
00 6'4-6'5 Cochrane pf/c
99 6'4(193cm by fiba) Magbegor c/pf
99 6'4 Mcspadden c/pf

Could potentially be replaced...
99 6'2 Batish pf/c (was pre Oceania) and the 5th big until 99 Mole sf came in as a late replacement.
99 5'7 George SG/pg was a combo guard. The 3rd string pg and sg.
99 5'10 McLean Sf/Sg Playing behind Simmons or Rowe.

likely replacements.. (All have been top performers in the last 6 months)
00 6'2-6'3 pf/c i.bourne(development camp 2016) for Batish/mole
00 5'8-5'9 sg/pg Goodchild (development camp 2016) for George
00 5'9-5'10 sg/sf dangelo (development camp 2016) for McLean

Girls under the radar
00 5'11? Schweizer sf/sg from act development
99 6'2 Parker pf from qld development

#578329, good call!!!