Is that the biggest troll ever or what?^ Willetton need a complete rebuild from the ground up INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION??
Do you even know who their admins are?
What these admins do?
How much influence they have on SBL?
Pretty poor observation saying the best WABL association, largest association and best developmental association for the last 10 seasons needs a complete overhaul from the bottom up.
Perth have re-signed Lackovic. Have heard the exodus from the red and blacks mens list will be very significant because of the re-appointment! Ash not in the running at Lakeside - maybe someone like a Tom Knowles could fill that position given his coaching experience and background with the club, but he has done a heap of work with that Women's program so wouldn't be surprised to see him stay in that role. Slammers need to recruit outside of Bunbury coaching wise if they want to keep the momentum Harrelson created.
I completely agree with Rinse - Why hate Willetton aside from its easy to do because they are so successful at wabl / sbl. It appears to me trolls on here are jealous of the Tigers success / club culture, when compared to their own personal club. Parker has done amazing in the past 18 months up there with the Women's program and yes we all know Blacky spent $$ on this years squad, but because they don't win the Championship, ppl have this sense of entitlement to just jump on here and abuse the club.
Unless those same trolls are willing to actually be pro-active rather than reactive and get on a board themselves, volunteer countless hours each week to ensure the club runs smoothly and not expect any thanks for it - I don't see how those same trolls who hide behind fake ID's can then jump on a forum and criticise the people who are actively contributing to WA Basketball by doing their best to ensure their respective clubs keep running on a day-to-day basis.
Instead of pointless, immature comments which made a significant % of the last 200 posts on the previous SBL thread, how's about you show a little bit of guts - post a name some ppl can recognise you by and actually come up with ideas which can help the SBL / Basketball in WA! My ideas for 2016:
* Week 1 Grand Final Replays - Create some genuine interest in the League from the outset, with the Champions hosting the respective Runners Up (Tigers @ Rocko / Slammers @ Joondalup)
* ANZAC Long Weekend - Use this significant weekend (ANZAC Day falls on a Monday next year) to engage the local Defence Force community with SBL Clubs in a Derby matchup on the Monday. Have Mandurah play @ Rocko and invite local RSLs & HMAS Stirling Officers to the game / Have Stirling play @ Joondalup & have local RSLs from up that way as well as staff from RAAF Pearce attend the game (B Lawrie would be the obvious contact there) Make it more than just about the Basketball to celebrate our history. Maybe the league could take a leaf out of the NCAA and create some custom Camo uniforms for the two sets of Games then auction them off and donate the proceedings to the local RSL?
* Bring back SBL Slam Radio. Cech and Craig as well as Sonshine FM did a great job this year - and if your club didn't feel as though they got enough exposure through the program then email the guys each week with updates on what's happening at your club! The boys can't advertise for each club if you're not giving them any info!!
* Get rid of the ridiculous qualifying tournament for 14s Touring Teams at the start of the year!
A) Its not a fully timed carnival so it loses most credibility straight away. Why have a qualifying tournament for a National Championships if its not going to be played under those conditions. Either have some kind of knockout Tournament over 2 weeks with nominated teams playing two fully timed games per day (Sat & Sunday) until you are left with the relevant number of teams - or look at other alternatives such as WABL Finals (As it used to be) or other options.
B) If your argument is teams can stack their teams with the way the Grading system is going to come in for WABL 14s in 2016 then cool, have it as the two Grand Finalists from State Champs U13s Championship Division qualify as the two automatic touring teams then have a playoff for 3 v 4 if only three teams go away. That way you're giving some purpose to State Champs again for the younger age groups, AND you're giving those teams who do qualify an extra three months to fundraise - especially if they have to travel to Far North Queensland or Tassie!
I am sure there is more I could write down but how's about we actually be creative and help Bowls and the BWA staff out with some proactive ideas which we can move forward with - rather than just trolling on here on how much you despise Player As Mole or how you think an entire club needs an overhaul because YOU weren't good enough to make their team at WABL tryouts ten years ago and still have that hate towards them... #justsayin!
Part 1 - A report card and opinion on what is needed for 2016...
Going by final positions...
Grade = A
2015 - There are a lot of aspects to make a successful coach but Ettridge definitely excels in his recruiting and management of the squad. To assemble the team and then keep them all happy shows he is strong in this area.
A team that wins the championship automatically gets an A, but with this roster anything less would have been a failure.
I don't think we really ever saw this team reach full potential and a lot would have to do with Timms coming off injury, Damo working off the rust, Questel adjusting to new environment.
If this roster is retained it will dominate the league in 2016.
2016 - Simply keep the roster together and a back-to-back championship would be guaranteed.
Grade = A-
2015 = A very interesting season with a roller coaster ride. Started the season on fire and then went through a number of losing streaks. If they kept the American players healthy then they were always going deep into playoffs.
Ty is also great at recruiting and keeping the team together. His recruits didn't come with great credentials but really fit well into the system.
Having Ty in and out of the team during playoffs was interesting but worked out in the end. I think Slammers got the raw end of this deal, support him for sure but missing playoff games to travel to the US is not acceptable based on the time and $ put into the team in last couple of years...
2016 - I expect a quick slide down the ladder as losing Ty as player and coach will really hurt them. Can Weeden recover from knee injury, and if he does they will go to having 3 americans and not able to compete with top teams.
Grade = B
2015 - Very solid effort from Flames and great to see them continue to develop local talent and give them opportunities.
Cooper one of best imports in league, and although Taylor is a solid player and a great guy, I think they needed more of a scoring wing to really compete with top teams.
Godfrey was great at times but average at others, they need to him to continually be scoring 20+.
Remmers was servicable this season but needs a big pre-season to really get back to his best.
2016 = Probably will replace both Land brothers, and lose some of the vets on team. Need to get a couple of great imports to bridge the transition of their younger brigade. With Simpson, Godfrey, Roberts, and a couple of the younger guys coming through the future looks bright...
Grade = B-
2015 = If they can ever get the 2nd import spot (or 3rd import spot...) right then they will be in GF with Wolves... Not sure on the count but it must be 4 or 5 players through that 2nd spot over last couple of season.
Wunders is just getting better and better as he gets older. And team has played together so long that they handle most situations.
2016 = window is rapidly closing on championship for this roster. If Lewis plays in UK then he must be classified as import on return and Buccs won't win it with just Lewis and Cook.
Ralph and Wunders must be seriously thinking of life after bball.
They need Thomas to get back to his best and be the starting PG as Wrensted is just not up to being a starting PG at SBL level.
Can't see any youth coming through so 2016 might be their last roll of the dice...
Grade = A
2015 = Had probably the best second half of the season from any team and really came together when it counted, which is very impressive considering the start of the year.
Two good imports and Mua were obviously the main contributors and carried the team for large parts. Solid season from Hurst and a couple of the other Aussie guys.
Not sure if Franich makes a comeback from ACL injury but this could put them in top 2...
Haney had a great first season and it begs the question of why he didn't get the opportunity to coach a couple of seasons ago? Maybe he didn't put his hand up?
2016 = Giants need some stability in the roster and then just make minor tweaks. Keep the big 3, add Franich back in and possibly pick up one more Aussie that would be top 8 in roster. Maybe chase Nebo Franich to play with brother...
Grade = A
2015 = Written off as wooden spooners by most at the start of the year, before we all knew they were getting imports. And going with a new coach that was largely unproven.
What a year they had and really showed that if you can come together as a team that you can compete with anyone...
Coach Parsons proved that he can definitely coach a squad that lacked some of the talent and depth of other teams.
2016 = Must keep Field, hopefully get another season out of Davey and Sheldon, potentially upgrade one of imports and try and add some big man depth (easier said than done)
Grade = C
2015 = a lot of talk in pre-season of a dominant team and they started the year well. But the sacrifice of average imports to get Kyle and Scott on the same roster probably cost them of being a contender.
Ended the season terribly and got lucky that teams like Magic, Redbacks, Lakeside were even worse at the latter parts of season.
From the outside it appeared there may have been some issues in how they gelled on the court. Both Armour and Scott need a lot of the ball to be effective and both dropped significantly from previous years.
Noordhoek, Burston, and Casey had limited opportunity to develop which might be an issue next season.
If Easley becomes unrestricted next season then they upgrade on imports then they will be top 4.
2016 = need to look at the oncourt cohesion of this team, a lot of skilled players but not really complimenting each other. Not sure they will be able to keep the roster together, but if they can have Easley as unrestricted and add some quality imports then this looks like a top four roster and then it is just getting them playing together...
Grade = C-
2015 = Made a massive mistake in recruiting the 7 footer and then taking too long to get rid of him. If a solid import was there from the start then this team would have been in playoff contention a lot earlier than the last couple of games.
A bit of bad luck with injuries didn't help there cause. If Dixon and Cassir were available earlier then it would have really helped.
2016 = Need to get their import spots right early this time around... Get a good 3man and 5man (nothing over 6'9") and they will be top 6.
The rest later...
*Mike Ellis the new Mens Head Coach for Stirling
*Jason Kyle remains Mens coach at Mandurah
*Further to random's post - AJ, Taiwhiti & BOTH americans not back there next year if Perth report is true
*Rhys Vague on the market with no nbl ties at Eagles anymore
Jason Kyle is safe for another year, but be prepared for a mass exodus from Mandurah as well. Ben Smith, Dellas, Gerovich likely on the move. Hafford told he is not required for next year (interesting note that Mandurah's female import Davis has also been told she wont be required next year). Both were shipped out of the country pretty fast and under strained relationships with the club.
Looking forward to another year of the walking ego on the sidelines at the Uni.
Slammers 2016 - Best scenario (unlikely if not impossible)
Also, if the rumours are true
PG. Nichols, Phillips, Sears
SG. B.Smith, Hitchcock, J.Weir
SF. Import, R.Smith
PF. Worthington, Easley, J.Smith
C. Weeden, Hickert, Keller
13 strong with England x2, Bell, King, Germs and Kamocha waiting in the wings
Can they bring in 3 Smiths for next season. Strong front court able to cover Clive if in doubt for a lot of the season. Bring in Ben Smith (apparently been "approached") and if the new import offers what Brian did or anything close, they are probably a better team (granted this highly unlikely).
Rumours are that Corey Easley is set to become naturalised so this is based on that happening.
In. Import, B.Smith, C.Easley, R.Smith, J.Smith, J.Weir (did not play a game last season)
Out. T.Harrelson, B.Voelkel, B.Canzirri, J.England, C.Bell
There has been much talk about players leaving redbacks but has there been any word on anyone being recruited in? There are always those looking for more opportunity and with reported mass exodus down there surely there would be some guys interested in going even just for opportunity. Much like chan and Holmes in moving to Suns last season.
Surprised that it's still $500 per week for the imports on a Sports Visa. The extras in accom and car and health cover have always been there. The quality. for those things, varies considerably. The money issue was at $500 back in the 90's. Never heard of an import who doesn't have to run junior clinics or be available for the junior clubs affiliated with their SBL club. Even do paperwork in the office? Do they have to stay around for awards' nights etc? Didn't used to be included in the contract. SBL clubs used to have their wind ups immediately they were out of the comp so the imports would be present. SEABL have much stricter contracts but the imports do a lot better.
Would be very surprised if either Smith or Easley head to the Slammers. More likely to see Easley stay with Willo and Smith to remain with a metro team.
Someone on the other thread said the name of the new cougars import. They should continue to improve with a good young team provided they keep giving minutes to Pesava.
In the web...
Ben Smith not happy at Redbacks. Made to be the scapegoat in many games. Lacko continually brought up "bad Suns habits" when things inevitably would go wrong in games.
Sooner he gets a new team, the sooner he gets back to being one of the best shooters in the league not held back by u:16 style offenses. Hope he lands at a contender. Could tip them the right way come playoffs....
Web of lies
How can a person be a scapegoat when they are a defensive sieve? 37% FG is top notch right? Did the "system" make him give up all those layups? It must've been the system that made him shoot contested 3's instead of pass or be patient.
C'mon friend of Ben, he was not very good last season. Some was his fault, some was on The Greatest SBL Coach EVERRRRRRRRR.
people complaining about earning $500 a week with free car and accommodation need to just get a dose of reality.
there are guys who have dominated in the sbl now playing in Europe earning less than this in much better leagues. they train every day and in cases twice a day, plus do camps and clinics, cant speak the languague and play a 56+ game season.
Coming to Perth, one of the most beautiful cities in Australia, training (if you can call it that) twice a week, going to the beach, having bucket loads of free time, free accom, car, health insurance, gym and a 26 game season cannot be that bad.
you would be suprised.
I have two close friends playing in good leagues over there earning less than $500 AUD a week. Talking to other players who have also played in these leagues they also confirm this is common.
there is a false generalisation that the euro leagues and even NBA D league all pay well. a lot of NBA D League players earn less than what is paid here also
if you factor in things like the language barrier, cultural differences, weather etc the SBL is actually a very attractive and comfortable place to play.
Yeah but when ppl think Euro it is the top division.
If your friends are ballers who won't let go of their pro hoop dreams and playing in Div 2 in some obscure Euro country of course you will get paid that. But I get your comparison because it's kind of like Americans who aren't the best playing SBL vs. Aussies going over to Euro playing a similar standard so I get your point now.
Web of lies
I'll assume the "good" League is the BBL.
It's not a top tier League over there. Its disingenuous to say Imports get less there as I bet at least one of your mates is playing as a local.
Look at dudes like Stan Okoye or Lee Roberts, they are on more than any figure stated here.
BBL is not a good league but you would be looking at 3 a month I assume top level Germany big bucks 2nd league Germany and 3rd league similar to the BBL. The real money is in the middle east and asian countries where you can make nice coin while not being a great talent.
Josh Throns was the captains of the salads. The team consisted of him, Ben Puser, Kyle armer and an asian guy they flew in from japan just for the event. They walked away with 20k prize money. Not a bad investment. I also heard they macked heaps of girls and that Josh Garlepp is a kewl dude
Willo - Where the best junior program in the state doesn't count for anything against INSTANT success and a good size chequebook. If you were a parent of one of the younger Tigers D League Girls / Under 18 Girls, what sort of message does this signing send to them "Yeah look we really have loved you propping up our wabl teams to win the Gillam Trophy all those years but now Perry Lakes have won it, we feel we need to focus on winning SBL more by just buying players"
Heard the same roumer about doccy, also just saw on redbacks website that they have signed ash gilmore and rebbecca mercer and lisa wall button and more to come so same could be said for their juniors except if I was one of the young players at these clubs I would be rapped to have such great talents to learn from
Wow some pretty uneducated and generally hater based comments on here. What ever happened to these forums?!... Oh wait, nothing.
Do some of the posters on here seriously believe that Willetton as an Association base their success of SBL championships? Who won the SBL 2 years ago. East Perth. But guess what, no one cares!!! Take nothing away from them, but you have to ask yourself, ask soon as 12 months passes people forget.
The SBL program isn't the lifeblood of Willetton, I know that for a fact. They have a huge Junior competition. A good WABL program and a history of excellence. Ask anyone in the state which associationS are the best at what they do and they'd be lying if they didn't say Willetton, Perry Lakes or Joondalup. State teams are stacked with players from these associations. It all comes down to your measuring stick. If it's:
-participation ... Willetton have it covered
- finance .... Willetton have it covered
- player development (WABL) ... Willetton have it covered. Well done to Perry Lakes on winning the Gillam Trophy, and it was decided on grand final day where the Hawks won way more finals than the Tigers. Doesn't mean that Willettons WABL program is a failure, finishing second?!
- SBL success... admittedly, their SBL program has been off for about 5 years in the men, women made a nice come back last year. I agree, juniors don't get much of a look in. But in my honest opinion, Willetton treat the SBL as some fun to boost club culture. They get people through the doors, the highest of any metro association.
Willetton don't lose sleep over their SBL program, so maybe be a bit more positive and just concentrate on the 2016 SBL season ahead! Despite far less player movement this year than last ( or maybe it's a bit more hush)
"Did the Suns end up signing that import guy who was playing down at Lakeside on Thurs night A grade?"
Who knows what's happening, all pretty quite from the Hills, pretty sure they've signed their new WSBL coach but no news on it. You can't go rushing things.
Word on Marine Terrace is that former Giants and Cougars Championship winning coach has agreed to terms to lead the Buccs ship. Ominous signs for the league of this is so! Proven winner and taking over a program on the cusp of greatness. Big budget, good locals, and greatest home court advantage in the SBL. Title town heading north!!
Dan-yell "all bout me" Thomas will ruin any team cohesion at the cougars quicker than a half good lookin import finds a chick to hook up with at freo metropolis! from first hand knowledge, certain cougars life members & directors wont have either of the della's back either, plus rhett wants to be paid for that disgusting looking thing he calls a game! Stay in underachieving mandurah boys, we don't need ya
Must say cannot believe the amount of anger that circulates through this forum. Rhett Della has been involved in this league and has provided headaches for teams galore in his many years, he is a work horse and yes his game is rather odd looking but its effective and it works.
If DT was a cohesion wrecker, its a bit odd that the richest club in the league (SO THEY SAY) would continue to have him for 5 years and make him a part of the 25 year history of the Buccaneers as a top 12 player in club history. Especially after a snapped achilles. Why would the club waste the time and money to get him up there if he was that bad?
Some very salty and sandy vaggginnnaaass in here. Here's looking at you kid!
I thought that both Rhett and DT are both Cockburn juniors, has been talk of beef with them all for years, but there was always one common dominator. who isn't there anymore.
I would love to know why all the hatred towards those two guys Mrs your a nobody now and will always be nobody and cant stand it.
Have figured out how to track IP address's. Most of the negative people commenting on this are from the country, The rest Perth plebs. Working out order of hit list will post soon...
Corey Easlierly to Rockingham because has job at Kwinana Speed way.
Trian Iliadis to Stirling to play with lifelong mentor Mike ellis and good friend Nic Iliadis
nic Cody to Perry Lakes getting very good money and beerz
Trent Worthington to Geraldton for seachange
Ryan Smith signed with WCE apparently.
All legit NBL players stearing cler of league due to overwhelming support of internet trolls
Season length is good don't really mind playing a double on the weekend cause Basketball is fun and it also gives teams a chance to grow and get better throughout the season you shorten it and the teams that start hot will be in the playoffs you won't see teams like Kal coming back and almost winning the whole thing. As far as AJ he's goin back to NZ I believe.
Shorten the season for christs sake,
too long, there is no need to play every team twice just have two conferences and then approximately 20 games.
Would make the season soooo much more bareable with full time work and part time puss.... very verrrrry part time... actually more of a casual basis
Corey Easily to Mandurah...'This is a lock
Who the hell do you think you are Anon?!?1 i saw AJ at Willetton training last night. Him and the blacks were having a laugh about the good ol' days. People like you are sucking all credibility out of this once respectful meeting place of SBL brother lovers.
For the last time Adrian Majstrovich - Confirmed to Willetton 2016
Da moose is in the billding!
Forma NBL player to be nu coach in midwest. 2 forma jnrs back at cockburn for their fynal seasons. Masiv syning with nbl ties to be annownced at stirling for 2nd restricted playa spot with c ellis taking da other spot. wortho 2 gero, doccy 2 willo, ella kennedy 2 flames, louella tomlinson 2 make her cinematic re-appearance in nu dodgeball seqwel, nate jawai bein linked to Hawks, ben smith 2 join da other ben smith at mandurah, seva chan to east perth
I would imagine some teams are close to starting some form of pre-season. Obviously there are still a lot of players who may not yet commit but we should start to see the movements soon.
With the apparent mass-exodus from Perth/Mandurah, the coaching changes at Buccs/Lakeside/EP/Bunbury, and the loss of a couple of unrestricted 'imports' (Ty, Lewis) there will likely be some substantial movement.
Where has the buccs announcement been confirmed?
Cougars players are saying that DT and Della are playing for Cockburn now.
Heard so many rumors about Timms (Sun/Wolves/Lakeside/East Perth).
Why has Lewis left? Where is he playing now? Lakeside will probably look the same as last year but probably have better imports with a ex-D1 coach coming in.
The womens program seemed quite stable with Mansfield there, but Kranz-Little lasted just one year and the mens program is looking for another coach again.
Suns seem to spend money willingly on imports and recruit locals like most other clubs.
So what are the issues with coaches coming and going in quick succession?
Hawks also targeting 'australian' restricted player.
Tevin Jackson to return after some time against Ben Simmons. Dangerous with B Dixon (wildcats dp) , Hobbs, Cassir, Tevin, + need a big centre.
Lakeside again working the Christian player pool but no luck yet.
Heard they Mullenax could be naturalised. Gee, if that earlier rumour of Easley to Mandurah is true, that essentially makes Mandurah the new SouthWest with 2 American Australians.
The usual suspects: Ephrem Davis returning, as is Cory Cooperwood, destination unknown but have begun talks.
PS: venue changes this year?!?! Where's Mandurah going to play?. Redbacks walk on Curtin, I guess it cost them a bit. Stirling with a new facility too.
Suns have taken a big backward step from a 2 win season (if that is possible). If they could have kept the same roster and added a couple of solid SBL players, maybe attracted Timms/Ben Smith back, then they would have climbed up the ladder very quickly.
A lineup of Seva/Smith/Import/Import/Timms with Holmes/Dunnell/Horn/Murray would be very competitive. Add someone like Dennis T and the lineup could compete for top 8.
But that seems to be the opposite direction to where the Suns are heading.
Coach gone, Seva going, Homes going, unlikely any solid recruits and possibly one import...
2 wins may look very good by the end of season 2016
Maybe the Suns would be better off going with an untried coach?
Triscari and Kuhn were both tried and although attracted many players to the club were unable to win more than a handful of games combined over the last 3 seasons.
It seems that pretty much all those players they brought in are no longer there either. Maybe an untried coach, developing from within and starting from scratch is what they need?
Maybe the Suns would be better off going with an untried coach?
Triscari and Kuhn were both tried and although attracted many players to the club were unable to win more than a handful of games combined over the last 3 seasons.
It seems that pretty much all those players they brought in are no longer there either. Maybe an untried coach, developing from within and starting from scratch is what they need?
Maybe, but is there any talent within? It's seems they've tried to rebuild before from within, went without imports for a couple of years, some years only had one import.
Maybe go with young guys, get thumped every week, young guys get sick of getting beaten then leave. I don't have the answers, but I hope someone at the club does.
I think the SBL should go to points system like QBL.
QBL Points System Explained - 2015
The Queensland Basketball League (QBL) is a competition for Queensland basketball
associations which underpins the WNBL and NBL and provides entertainment to spectators
by showcasing the most talented basketball players within Queensland. The QBL provides a
pathway for Queensland players, coaches and officials through the development
opportunities that the QBL offers. For some this will be the pinnacle of their pathway and for
others it will be a stepping stone on their pathway to the WNBL and NBL and National
The points system is designed to ensure that young, aspiring players (particularly those who
have been developed by the association they represent in the QBL) are provided
development opportunities while still allowing QBL clubs to introduce players to augment
The points applicable are outlined below:
Category 2015 Points
1. A player who is not an Australian citizen and who is required under the rules of FIBA to hold an
annual Foreign Player's Licence (Excluding New Zealand)
2. Any player defined as restricted due to the minutes played in the NBL or WNBL in the QBL Rules10
3. Any Australian citizen who has last played in a Euroleague Team or any Division 1 competition
in the countries set out in the Restricted Foreign Leagues tables
4. Any player defined as restricted due to the minutes played in the NBL or WNBL in the QBL
Rules within the last two (2) years
5. Unrestricted NBL/WNBL Players 5
6. Any player that has an approved Permanent Resident Visa for Australia.
(Note that this category does not apply to players that may have played in a restricted foreign
country or be defined as restricted due to their NBL/WNBL status)
7. Any player who has last played in a foreign country other than those set out in Category 3 3
8. An NBL contracted Development Player 3
9. Players 24 years old or more who do not meet the above criteria 2
10. Players under 24 years who do not meet any of the above criteria 1
TOTAL POINTS APPLICABLE TO 15 REGISTERED PLAYERS PER TEAM 38
1 point is added for each registered player over 15 registered players up to 20 registered players where the total points
applicable is 43.
If a team has less than 15 registered players, points are reduced by 1 point for each player less than 15.
New Zealand nationals who reside in Australia are now permitted to play in the QBL and their points rating will be
determined upon their age and Basketball experience. Eg: If they last played in a Div 1 restricted foreign league they carry the
applicable points rating of 10 however if they are under 24 and have never played in a restricted foreign league they would
be a 1 point player.
Player Points are reduced by 50% if the player has played Under 18 Representative Basketball with the QBL association they
are registering with. (Note: associations have the ability to apply for an exemption should a player have departed the
program after U16 representative level to take up a scholarship or attend a boarding school. This exemption also applies if
your association could not field an U18 team at a specific state championship)
Player Points are reduced by 50% if the player has played QBL for the association they are registering with for 100 games (not
including games in which they suited up and did not play). This points reduction does not apply to players who are classified
as Restricted under the QBL rules.
Loyalty rules for restricted players and Foreign Players – If a restricted or foreign player has competed for 100 games or eight
consecutive seasons with a QBL club they would be deemed unrestricted as a part of this loyalty clause. This rule only
extends to one player per team and this player will not receive a player points discount on their points rating unless they
were a player that played Under 18's for the association.
The points system is a good idea and definitely useful in ensuring the clubs look to their own talent pools, but in the SBL I think it could be seriously detrimental.
Things to remember about the SBL is that it isn't a development league. There is probably one team as of late that could be seen as a development TEAM (East Perth), but the Wildcats aren't going to be overly interested in the SBL. They're a business and they are looking to get bums on seats, not support local talent. They do a good job of it too (running a business). Prather, Daniels, these are guys that get people through the door.
SBL would be seriously impacted by a points system in my opinion, and would eventually fizzle to nothing.
But thats just me opinion. The SBL isn't in danger of falling apart, its just plodding along.
apperently there are quite a few girls staying over west after they finish their lynx season. does anyone know who they are and where they have decided to play.
also have been told whitcomb may be heading over east to play in seabl perhaps better money over here.
willetton must be putting out all sorts of cash. Paying Scott, Armour, Black and then Bowie wont come cheap after leaving kalgoorlie will want more money than previous season and then another import. Surely the SBL checks books and under the table dealings.
On paper the Cougars look to be a solid unit. My only concern would be around the 'large personalities' on that suggested team.
I think a big part of their success last year was the way the entire squad bought into the system and played for coach Parsons.
Interesting mix of veterans who are probably past their prime and guys like Holmes/Pesava who are looking to establish themselves.
As I said, on paper looks good but lets see how the dynamics play out. Also a lot depends on what level of imports they get and if they adapt and fit within team structure.
Some of the other rumours mentioned are very interesting.
If Cody was to leave Willetton that would be a big lose and, if Noordhoek also leaves, puts a massive dent in the clubs local player content. (I don't see Cody leaving)
Also Hickert leaving Bunbury a similar story. Although this is more common with players from country teams going metro for reasons other than bball.
The top 10 'free agents' that have been rumoured to move and will make a significant difference I feel are:
- Nic Cody
- Seva Chan
- Dennis T
- Louis Timms
- Ben Smith (guard)
- Ben Smith (big)
- Rhett Della
- Easley (if he is not a restricted player anymore)
- Corey Martin
- Mullenax (he might not move but if he becomes unrestricted it will have big impact)
Re Anon ^^
Talk to your coach, he will have a good idea re your upside and whether you should go or stay. College will give you the best chance to reach your potential. If you are never going to play pro it can just delay your study and working life for a few years for no reason other than being a better player. You should talk to some guys who have done time in college, there are a lot around who can give you a good insight.
^^Anon Remember the Aussie dollar is only worth 70 cents now so college will be expensive. A scholarship helps a LOT but there are many associated expenses that you or your parents will have to bear. Having said that the college is experience is fantastic, the standard of facilities and coaching is way above anything you will see here, even in Div3 and JUCOs. But you need the right mindset to be away from family and friends and to fit in with teammates who will see you as taking their spot and their girlfriends. Whether or not college will prepare you for a professional career is doubtful but I can way, with the right attitude, you will return with fantastic life experience.
Copied above post to add:
The top 10 'free agents' that have been rumoured to move and will make a significant difference I feel are:
- Nic Cody - rumoured to be heading to Kal, probably not true and staying at Willo.
- Seva Chan - confirmed at Lakeside
- Dennis T - taking the year off?
- Louis Timms - college
- Ben Smith (guard) - ????
- Ben Smith (big)- ????
- Rhett Della - Cockburn
- Easley (if he is not a restricted player anymore) - ????
- DT - Cockburn
- Corey Martin - Lakeside
- Mullenax (he might not move but if he becomes unrestricted it will have big impact) - Mandurah
sick of crap
If anyone believes anything on this forum believe this:
Any forum that allows anonymous posts is likely full of shite. Go back to the SBL forum, register and back what your post by putting your name to it.
What .... not going to happen...oh well we just stick with up to date, accurate and informative posts here and we just have a good laugh...
For those interested in WSBL, minor signings by the Flames in Ella Kennedy and Amanda Pether. Not sure if it's been posted prior.
Don't rate either really, not bad basketballers though. Pether has a decent 3 pt shot on her though and was a shining light for a terrible Lakeside team last year.
If this is accurate, that Mua in Seabl, then we may be back to all teams only having the 2 x restricted players (and no naturalised players...)
Although I think there is a case for the 3 x country teams having some kind of allowance where they can have 3 restricted players, with the 3rd one having to be on a working holiday or something.
Although Buccs will always be tough with Wunders/Ralph as part of their lineup, Giants and Slammers look to struggle this season unless they can attract some additional Aussie players.
When Wunders/Ralph retire it will be tough for Buccs to replace them with local talent.
Not saying it is a negative or a positive, but would DT have had the most club changes in history? From my knowledge it is East Perth, Cockburn x 2, Magic, Buccs x 2 at least. 6 club changes.
At least it is there own stadium. It's grimey but at least it has character to it. Not a rec centre or run by a church. Cockburn has more history and produced NBL legends galore than most almost all of the other clubs. Someone has had their vagina filled with sand by the sounds of it.
I highly doubt Cody would be thinking of an AFL career. He has a long track history of injuries, particularly knee problems, which would likely prevent him taking the knocks in footy.
Having said this, he would be a very mobile ruckman with his height and length.
We should start to see some confirmation of player movement, or lack of, over the next couple of weeks as teams have some initial sessions prior to christmas.
Last year there seemed to be a very good level of new imports to the league, it will be interesting how many of these are retained and what the new guys look like.
Great to see Michael Clarke appointed coach at Suns. I'm sure he has a lot of valuable experience to bring back from VCU.
Although I'm not entirely sure the coach has been the problem up the hill over the last 5-10 years. There has definitely been some different coaching approaches with McCormick/Kuhn/Triscari, but there seems to be a deeper issue that is at play there.
There has been quite a few 'rookie' coaches over the last couple of seasons which is great. Giants, Cougars (Parsons had 1 season previous I think), Lakeside, Magic, and East Perth (Jo Alan for part of season) all went with rookie head coaches over the past 2 seasons. Now Buccs, Lakeside (again), Slammers and Suns will hand over control to rookie head coaches.
That really only leave Tigers, Flames, Stirling, Redbacks (everyones favourite), Hawks, and Wolves with longer term coaches.
It will be great to see new strategies and game plans (as much as there is 'new' in basketball now)
Back to Clarke, lets hope he brings the Havoc style to the SBL...
SBL a great place for that style of defense as we don't tend to have the bigger 7 foot type players that aren't mobile and don't suit this style.
The only other concern is how the game is called by the refs. Not sure on the PoE this year but in the last couple they had been calling every slight bit of contact on the ball carrier in the full court (although let a ton of contact go in the half court). If there is a direction to call the game the same way then it might be difficult to implement the VCU press.
Hey AJ is god, AJ fan here. He Signed with Willetton Tigers on a two year deal at the beginning of last season so we will be able to watch him again this season! He is my favourite player :)
Much of the content of here is gossip e.g playing in NZ???? Get real. Here's a tip; Don't believe anything you read here, unless it's from a fellow Adrian Majstro admirer (some times i say majstro for short).
Have a good day guys,
Is it Easley that he will replace or Ephrem Davis?
Bowie's 25ppg will likely be much less as he would share the ball with Armour, Scott, and I assume another import.
A starting lineup of Armour/Scott/Bowie/Cody/Davis
looks pretty good.
What is the bench looking like if Hayden and Burston play footy that leaves Mitch Clarke and Andrew Black as the only ones that played decent minutes.
No permanent Shot Clocks @ Waroona meant SBL wouldn't take risk of not using a 'SBL Ready' stadium. Look for some exciting 'initiatives' to be announced when fixtures are released too between us (Flames) and the Magic if BWA go ahead as discussed with some ideas which both clubs raised at recent meetings.
Mandurah will also play all of their WABL 'Home' games @ Mike Barnett also during the MARC Redevelopment.
Will be good for the League in three years time to have new venues in Stirling, Mandurah & Joondalup (Arena Redevelopment) with Willetton pushing for Stadium extension too - would be interesting if they make one of the proposed new courts their new showcourt too.
Surely the willo books will be checked and under the table dealings looked at by the ever so strict SBL correct? Bowie is not leaving Kalgoorlie for a smaller amount and then add another import, armour, damo and some others will be wanting money plus the coach.
What is the SBL salary cap?
Do they ever check any of this?
I doubt if the SBL would have the resources to investigate "illegal" payments to players. What authority would you require to check a players bank statements and what resources would you need to find out if a player is being paid a cash supplement. Not the SBL's fault - blame the 5000 paying spectators who don't show up each week. SBL/BWA can't take any more money out of juniors (clubs)to fund a semi pro league. The cart and horse are in play here.
In most cases, in my opinion, the salary cap is determined by individual clubs credibility/honesty and available finance.
It is no coincidence that the metro clubs with the biggest junior comps seem to get the best imports and a lot of good local players - not always there own grown juniors.
A case for some sort of equalization is a good discussion point. This may stop some clubs free spending of their money derived from the juniors who don't really get the opportunities they pay for.
No club is breaking even in their sbl program unless they have secured multiple sponsorship deals.
The league salary cap is $60k. If u have two imports on a sporting visa and you are paying a couple of Australian players then you are getting close to or over the $60k.
Imports alone are minimum $500 per week (plus car, accom etc) So assuming they are here 4 weeks before the season and you budget to make it through the playoffs it is approx 28 weeks. This is $28k.
Then it is the debate on whether the costs of visa ($1500), flights ($2k), accom ($200/week), car etc are in the salary cap or not. Also if u can get accom and car sponsored.
These 'extras' for two imports can easily add up to $25k.
This is then approx $50k for imports. Add two Aussies at $200/game each ($5600)
And the salary cap is gone without even talking about a coach payment or money for other players...
That is why there are imports on working holiday visa, and player payments outside of the contracts.
So once again no team is covering these costs with door takings and bar sales.
I'd suggest if anyone wants to know how the SBL Salary Cap works, then go and download the SBL Bylaws...
>> Select "About SBL" from the main menu
>> Click on "Downloads"
>> Open the SBL Bylaws PDF
>> Go to Bylaw 1.9
In summary, what is included under the Salary Cap is $$$ received from ONLY playing, coaching or training with your direct SBL team. And that is NETT (after tax).
What does not get included under the salary cap include:
- Flights etc.
- Visas, clearances, BA fees.
- Health cover.
- Income tax paid.
- Any payments from activities not related to playing, coaching or training with your SBL team.
The last point is important as it allows clubs to allocate a proportion of a players wage to activities that are not included in the Salary Cap.
For example, let's say an import earns a wage of AU$1000/week (before tax) from a club. The club could then break that down as follows...
$300 - Income Tax
$350 - WABL Coaching/Association Admin
$350 - Playing/training for the SBL team
Only the $350 for playing/training for the SBL team in therefore included in the Salary Cap.
Whilst our SBL will never be an AFL or NBA they should look at ways of ensuring all clubs have equal opportunity to attract and or retain top players and to also ensure some equality in the competition. Perennial cellar dwelling clubs may eventually disappear without some hope of on court success as some AFL clubs have. Unlike the AFL, we need all SBL clubs to be bringing juniors through.
Thanks to Lukosius for the info on salary caps. This makes it quite obvious why the metro clubs with big junior comps can afford to have good imports and recruit locals from other less financial clubs.
Seriously BWA if you are reading this,
Give a bye to every team just split the byes up so that half get a bye on the easter long weekend and the other half get a bye on the ANZAC long weekend.
That way the buttholes that hate messing with tradition still get their shitty roster and the players actually get a break to chill for a bit.
DO SOMETHING FOR FUCKS SAKE MY GOD
Some early predictions...
WILL BE BETTER IN 2016:
Cougars - some old players returning will make them better and deeper.
Tigers - Bowie in for Easley will make them better, along with being together for a second year under Black.
Redbacks - probably the big under achievers of 2015. Surely they will be better in 2016.
Senators - my pick for the biggest improvers in 2016. New coach and probably the best group up-and-coming youngsters in the SBL.
WILL STAY ABOUT THE SAME:
Wolves - defending champions who will be right up there again.
Flames - old team getting older, but a couple of new additions to offset that.
Giants - my team so I'm fence-sitting at this stage.
Hawks - probably overachieved in 2015. Can't see them any better in 2016.
Lightning - losing Prue and Jackson is massive. New coaching staff and a couple of recruits will offset to some extent.
Eagles - I think their slide has ended, but will need to big name pickups (Wildcats?) to get better.
WILL BE WORSE IN 2016:
Buccs - probably losing Lewis. Any team losing a 30ppg Aussie is going to be weaker.
Slammers - similar to Buccs. Harrelson (as an Aussie) is a big loss. That's assuming he doesn't come back.
Magic - slid right away towards the end of 2015 and that trend will continue into 2016.
Eastern Suns - if rumours are accurate, they are looking at some key losses. Coach has already jumped ship.
Joondalup- largely unchanged. Davis will returning pending some personal issues he's currently working through
Kalamunda - Jarrad Prior signing with the Suns
Lakeside will sign Daniel Alexander from Grand Canyon University and previously Texas A&M. 6'9 Forward, looks pretty beastly, ranked 94 in ESPNs100 for his year.
Perry Lakes looking at a homegrown NBL player.
Perth targeting Rob Cassir
Willetton- Cody returning despite ludicrous claims of moving to AFL Nick Clarke returning and will replace Burston.
I know from a good good source that cody makes it close to the end if not all the way...
WAFL teams have been targeting him offering very decent money insteady of chicken nuggets and a can of coke.
Perry lakes just signed jesse wagstaff but he most likely come off bench for locals
In a coop, Joondalup sign big baby davis to replce current davis
Rocko- top 8 barely if they keep core may be big losers
Stirling- big movers top 8 side
Kalamunda- door mats need a year or two to recruit
P.l- Takes a step back over achieved
E.P- Struggles a bit misses out young team will beat teams there not supposed to
Redbacks- Big ? who stays who goes who do they pick up
Willo- Lost depth but added more scoring def top 8
Cockburn- great year recruiting if rumours are true put them back in finals easily
Lakeside- If they get two bigs that can hoop that will change the dynamic play more of an american style should be interesting on the border.
Magic- too many losses no money miss out
Gero- All depends on recruiting should make 8
Kal- Loss of Muo to east coast confirmed will make it difficult for Kal to make 8.
Bunbury- Lots of rumour of recruiting but I think they will do enough to make the 8
Wolves- Defending champs enough said
Obviously this is all just a guess but Redbacks Lakeside Rocko gero to fight it out for 6,7,8
Any truth with Lewis not returning?
I heard he had a verbal guarantee with Buccs but ofcourse that really means nothing.
The fringe NBL players/or NBL quality who are unrestricted are Gold in the SBL.
Im talking legit players who can impact games not the DP players.
Buccs - Lewis
Giants - Muo
Cougars - Field
Slammers - 2 x naturalised Aussies
All contenders this year.
Lewis signed with frankston
Kalgoorlie don't sign Muo and lost him over east also not sure where, also lost Bowie. Signed Haney as Coach.
Bunbury have signed Nicholls not sure on others yet
Jay Bowie signed at willo, chasing Eric Millam and Stephen Black signed on as assistant coach.
Redbacks sign Nic Lackovic to an extension, no Turner returning unless cause he picked up a mrs whilst in WA. SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!
Cockburn signed Brandon McGill not sure on second import yet.
Gero signed Traihair and not sure on imports yet but as always will get two quality ones.
Muo is with Spartans in Brissy which makes sense if he wants to get back in the NBL. Bunbury has Tre Nichols and I am guessing another import Clive will be back ACL recovery doesnt take 12 months its not 1994. He should be up running around maybe not to full capacity but playing minutes by March easy. Plus a naturalised or NBL caliber player gives them 4 guys again. Also heard big Ben Smith maybe headed down to the SW. Lewis last I heard was going to Frankston however some other teams interested as well.
Nic Cody has been M.I.A at Willetton practices for the last 3 weeks, has signed and moved across to the SEABL as he prefers the "indie" lifestyle over east. Hayden Noordhoek also hasn't been cited at practices but has been seen at Jetts just off of canning highway quite regularly.
Slammers are rumoured but have done nothing so far other than re-sign Nichols, losing Ty, Voelkel and potentially Weeden for next season would leave a massive hole. Need to sign Easley or Ben Smith,add a quality guard and a star import to look like a top 4 team, looking like sliders to me so far (very very very very early days)
This is what I've got so far..
Cockburn - Brandon McGill, ?
East Perth - ?,?
Geraldton - Carter Cook, Corey Cooperwood
Goldfields - Jacob Holmen, ?
Joondalup - Kevin Davis, ?
Kalamunda - ?,?
Lakeside - Dan Alexander, TJ Hallice
Mandurah - Taylor Mullenax, ?
Perry Lakes - Bryton Hobbs, Wagstaff or Jervis
Perth - ?, ?
Rockingham - Cooper Land, Taylor Land
Stirling - ?,?
South West - ?,?
Willetton - Jay Bowie,?
Adrian Money Majstro Fan
Hi Willetton Fan, Adrian Money Majstro Fan here.
At which particular Jetts health club has Noordhoek been spotted? I have grown quite fond of that good looking boy's remarkably large biceps. He must do well with the ladies if you know what I'm getting at. He is hot, great rig.
I eagerly await your response!
Also Brian Conklin spotted at Buccs training along with Jacob LeJacob.
Hayden lifts at the Jetts just next to the raffles, have spotted him and Burston lifting there followed by running the bridges together. Massive loss for the tigers road trips losing those 2, the stories coming out of the camp have been noted as legendary.
NBL player rules stay the same the only thing that the rule changes is that Permanent Residents can play as aussies which makes sense.Pretty sure the NBL doesn't have a rule that restricts a team to no more than two players who play 25% of available NBL minutes. :p
Can confirm that Nic Cody hasn't been responding to friends and teammates text messages as he's taken time off where he's been spending it on a secluded farm. This is all part of the decision making process as he decides which SEABL club to align himself with. WILL NOT be in the SBL next season.
Hey Willetton Fan, Abraham Marstrobitch here.
I would just like to thank you for the intel. I have just got back from signing myself up to a membership at Jetts Applecross. I hope to spot Hayden Noordhoek and his remarkably large biceps in the near future. Hes hot, great rig.
Shame about Burston and Noordhoek as well as their "ladsy" qualities leaving the Tigers. Tell me, is it true that Hayden once did a backflip and then punched a kangaroo on Burrendah Boulevarde in Willetton? Surely not.
Anyway I must head off to the gym :)
Cheers, Abraham Marstrobitch
na no one remembers that
====== BREAKING NEWS =======
Nordek has been spotted lifting heaps of weights and crushing puss.
D scott has a great piece.
Nick Cody has signed with Perry Lakes, was spotted cheersing beers to celebrate somewhere in the south west.
I can confirm that Easily is headed to cockburn with very good coin.
Della Madella to sign with Joondalup in a coop
There would be no court time for Easley at Cockburn with the guys they have in his spot. there and very good sources saying that apparently trahair has nabbed a few Rocko boys to head up with him.
Rockingham have signed the land brothers again for some weird reason. I understand the one but not the other. Surely Rocko need scorers with the loss of Godfrey and others.
Yeah don't see that signing both Land brothers is the way to go for Rocko unless they have another Aussie scorer that they are adding to the roster.
Easley sure is getting a lot of attention on here. Is he the only existing SBL player that will be affected by the rule change for restricted players?
Surely Tigers will try to keep him if he is no longer classified as a restricted player.
If they had Kyle/Scott/Import/Cody/Import as starters then Easley/Clarke/Black off the bench it would be a tough team. *Sure to get the forum going with 2 x imports, Scott, Easley, and to some extent Kyle all being outside players...
News out of Redbacks is that they may not get imports this year. Can't see that happening with Lako.
Should start to see announcements of import signings soon as they really need to start this process to get them signed and ready for the season.
Giants are usually very early with their announcements, must be taking a different approach this season. They typically do a good job of scouting available players from over east, mainly queensland, so we might see a permanent resident replace Mua.
McConnells old man was on the phone to everyone who would listen to him telling anyone who would listen that his son would win them a championship.
Has an imports father ever done that in the SBL, ever?
In saying that, looks and plays like a bigger, little Ben Smith...and we all know how thats working out..
A bit harsh re Reed McConnell's old man.
Yes, I do believe he contacted a lot of clubs.
Has spoken to me a couple of times and I gave him some good advice.
He really is just acting as his son's agent, and good on him for that.
However not once did he 'promise a championship' or any BS like that. Was honest in describing his son's background and his limited opportunities at CS Irvine. Was also offering to pay for his own visa and flights.
I've done a bit of research on him and viewed some video, even going back to his HS days. He would make a decent import for some teams, and would come cheap as chips.
Good luck to him.
You Heard Right
Semi Finals Tonight
Crocs v Party Flava
Matac, Someone that ate Clint Reed, Godfrey, Cody and Field
Damian Scott, Thomas Lewis, Drew Williamson, Seb Salinas, Joel Wagner
Allstar game in itself, three point percentage and Defense will be the key. Flava by 10. Both have played great all year crazy that its better to watch than SBL games.
Most Legends vs Bundy
Ben Purser, Ryan Smith, Josh Garlepp, Fletch Creelman
Nebo Franich, Trian, Rob Huntington, Adam Cash, Ben Smith, Joel Qwestrell
Everyone on Bundy can shoot, will be tough for ML to contain. Might have the upper hand on boards, thats tough if everything is going in.
ML by 1 in triple OT
*Poor reffing to screw up one of 2 games, in true SBL fashion. Peto for SBL league CEO
Haha, the real Lukosius would never refer to the Giants as "Kal" as it's a pet hate of mine.
We are the Goldfields Giants, always have been.
Have never been the Kalgoorlie Giants despite half of the game programs around the league referring to us as that.
Clearly you have no idea. As was mentioned some very good impacting players came out of the NAIA. Eligibility is as tough as NCAA. Collages still demand good grades and believe me they will realise you if you do cut the grade. By the way can we get rid of theses idiots that constantly post nonsense. People here should be given the respect of using a name and not have it hijacked by someone.
Who knows which wsbl teams have lost players.
wannereoo mercer burns and nonila martin
cockburn docky and no import this year
Slammers donovan and no imports this year
Willetton wallbutton and antonio and kennedy
Suns edwards and jones
Anybody know of any others?
Easter long weekend - road trip to Perth
Anzac Day long weekend - road trip to Perth
WA Day long weekend - road trip to Gero
Pretty sure they're not complaining about it.
Toughen up Perth teams. This is a semi pro league. You play when you play. If you want your weekends off then don't play SBL.
Other state-level sports leagues (WAFL, WANL etc) don't have byes on long weekends.
This news was literally just released, so how could you hear them complain yet?
Im sure if you asked the players theyd outline their dismay. It may be a semi pro league but the big V and SEABL both manage to give those weekends off, with the slightest restructuring. Also the WAFL get paid substantially more on avergage because there is a minimum wage. All we are asking is that they spend an extra day and factor in that 90% of us are unpaid/paidverylittle and have plenty on outside of the game.
(obviously you can ignore the 'fake' Lukosius posts above)
The Giants' official stance on this is that we are happy to play on long weekends, in fact we request it.
There are two reasons for this:
(1) If we didn't it would make the season even longer than it already is.
(2) Our crowds would be very poor if we had home games on long weekends, hence we request away games.
One of the above posters is correct - all the clubs do sign off on the fixtures, including us.
I do not know of a club who asks for byes on long weekends. They may privately prefer it, but none have officially requested it by our understanding.
If anybody needs this confirmed, please email us at [email protected]
How many Clubs show the proposed fixtures to the players before signing off on them?
I would guess very few, if any.
So 90% or more of the actual players will see the fixtures for the first time today. That means their legitimate complaints are dismissed straight away.
Bring back the real Lukosious doing the fixtures.
SBL have fixtured games on long weekends etc. for many years. Don't wait until the fixtures are released and then squawk about it. You're 12 weeks late - just like last year. Get your club to do something on the players behalf before the fixtures get done.
We never get consulted, and we (and the coaching and support staff) are the ones that actually train all year and play. Its pretty disgusting that there is such a separation between the league and the people that make it up, not even an end of season survey asking how to make the league better.
Things that don't cost any money but just take a slight change to make the league that we all love more enjoyable for everyone.
number of games
number of teams
If the SBL included 100 individual players views on fixturing it would never get done. SBL clubs represent their players. When the clubs sign off on the fixtures, they are doing it on behalf of their admin and players. If players want changes they need to discuss it with their club. Public holiday and long weekend games have been played for years. The structure of the fixtures has not changed very much over the past ten years or so. Players need to get their club to fight for changes - before the fixtures are done, not complain afterwards. And it's not a cop out, the SBL is comprised of clubs and clubs are comprised of players and volunteers.
Crikey!! If you keep forgetting it every year write it on the back of your hand or on your wall or on a blackboard. Get it tattooed on your arse.
You don't need a survey, just clubs speaking up to the SBL Board and presenting their players views.
"Lets say BWA staff have a favourite hobby, wouldn't you rather that hobby not infringe on every other aspect of your life for one weekend a season?"
WTF does this mean?? I think I'm starting to understand why your memory let's you down year after year after year.
A survey would be good. Whether SBL/BWA would take notice is another thing. It will take the clubs to initiate change, no hope of players getting it done unless their clubs are behind them.
Maybe we could start up a players union. Fourteen teams x 30 players (m & w) x $2.00 per week each = $840.00 per week could pay for representation.
Please reply with copies of your money orders or Paypal details.
Thinking that BWA will actually look into it or do something is wishful thinking. The people in charge right now are the ones that have created this mess.
You have a person in charge of the SBL that doesn't go to games on the weekend and wants his weekends to be free.......hmmm. Funnily enough they aren't a Basketball person so don't really get it.
Who is in charge of the SBL. Isn't Andy Stewart the Head Commish?
All the people on the SBL board or commission are from our clubs. They're the ones who should be harassed to seek changes whether it be to the structure of the comp or to the "managers" who run it.
I think Cockburn signed him under the understanding he was not being paid so it has very little to do with that. He was released from his contract, reasons unknown but not his decision, Cockburn's decision.
Word is Mandurah or Kalamunda are looking at him.
Also hearing some rather humorous rumours regarding some young lads around the league who for some reason think they have the worth of gaining money from clubs. I find this hilarious as clubs might be paying them.
Willetton have rejigged and reloaded for a championship. Armour, Scott, Bowie,one more import, and possibly Easley as well, Nic Cody, stephen black as assistant, and recently signed Josh Johnson after returning from college and from looks of it fit and ready to go. Willo never seem to be short of the old benjamins.
Kalamunda, well they signed J.P. so far so that is their biggest signing. other than that, lost seva and jaarod holmes and a coach.
Geraldton is gaining Chudier Pal after returning from college and Beau Samuelson. The possibility of one more aussie also. Resigned Carter Cook and signed another import. Will be a team to beat again this year with more signings from over east on the way also.
Lakeside have recruited well for the most part and they are leading kids to believe because an American Coach and Tony Ronaldson are there that magic will happen. Expect lots of young kids coming through looking for court time with the apparent 17th retirement of Jarrad Prue and word is Brad Krump Jackson has pulled the plug also.
Magic are magically getting money from an outside source and will be paying Ben Smith to keep his services and JJ, but looking to gain Brandon McGill also so that's more money, then another import as well, so interesting considering apparently Jason Chalk stole all their money.
Stirling have kept quiet but im sure will have similar ballers, however from word on the streets, is that the new gym and arena is top of line and rivals all stadiums so that will be an upgrade from the crap they used to play in.
Cougars have signed an import then delisted him, but signed another import and another on the way. Picked up Della and D.T. and maintained the services of the best aussie in Gavin Field.
Joondalup seem to be quiet also but will have similar squad as no retirements occur and judging by the way it normally works with the coach, good/similar team he will stick around.
Redbacks have lost club stalwart in J.P. and apparently more to go, but not sure what they can gain from outside clubs. perhaps a few younger guys.
Bunbury have resigned Nicholls which is great and Weeden will be available mid season so the club will have to stick it tough with just the two imports until Weeden can return. Losing Ty is a major blow as he was a referee call machine.
Kalgoorlie have signed big apparently, and are getting at least three from over east. Rumour has it Haney is training with the team and has also been playing local comps. With the new SBL rule, Haney is available to play also which means, Player coach will be in affect for him. Lost Bowie but sure they will find someone to replace him with the money they have.
Perry Lakes signed Hobbs back and will get another import, then mixed in with local talent of who they already have will be up in top 8 again im sure.
Rockingham have signed Land brothers again but have lost some guys in the Traihair exodus to Geraldton. They will be hard nosed and tough as usual but depth might be an issue.
There is a little bit of a run down so far from what is going around the league, if anyone knows other ones that are not Burston or Cody related please fill us in. :P
Goodluck appears to be a PG as well so if Nikora goes to Goldfields his opportunities might be limited/shared.
Are there many college returnees this season?
Redbacks - lewis thomas
Tigers - josh johnson
Stirling - do they get throns back
Any Wildcats playing in league this season? Hire, Jervis?
The SA Premier League is a decent league.
They only allow one import, but because of this they tend to get a lot more NBL and ex-NBL Aussies play in that league.
Mitch Creek, Anthony Petrie, Peter Crawford, Jacob Holmes, Darren Ng, Adam Gibson, Blake Truslove and Pero Vasiljevic all suited up in the Premier League in 2015.
Many times players cant play because there is a clash with preseason, particularly if it is an interstate nbl team.
This happens almost every year, its also why some better players rule out all together playing here.
What if we made the SBL really really appealing for interstate players?Could even try and market it as THE BEST OFFSEASON LEAGUE or something like that
Bennie Lewis left Melbourne to play here.
Cody Ellis returned from Sydney to play for Stirling.
Tom Garlepp returned from Sydney before his stock rose considerably.
Peter Crawford came back to the Hawks for a while.
I'd like to know what NBL or interstate talent didn't come here because it 'clashed with preseason' or even considered the SBL?
It boils down to money paid or a team not wanting them to play to rest the body/too big a liability.
Plain & simple.
No chance of SBL being a good comp when clubs with big revenue from juniors can buy a championship by taking the poorer clubs better players. Spectator numbers tell us this is correct. What significant changes have been made to the SBL since 1989?
It seems BWA are happy for the comp to struggle along, not really get better and not change a thing.
Cody Ellis didnt have a contract at the time and his dad was the GM and now the Coach... soooo
Garlepp hasnt played in the league since and I believe didnt have a contract the year after. Doesnt come back now because there is no appeal.
Peter Crawford was playing with the wildcats at the time.
Bennie Lewis wasnt contracted to any NBL club when he first played for Gero.
All the lower tier NBL players have to play somewhere else in the offseason because the money is so bad.
All Im saying is they would be more likely to come here if it didnt clash with any timetable. Its been obvious for a long time. The money would help of course Im not doubting that but
Couldnt agree with u more anonymous, you have to ask yourself, what is the harm of trying to improve the league? The victorian leagues are brave in comparison.
In saying that though Kalamunda was the only team that really struggled last year every other club was competitive.
Think the start but more importantly the end dates need to to change because players dont want to have to fly back and forth and teams dont want a player to just leave for finals. Also taking into account long weekends needs to be considered and from what Ive heard next year BWA will take a long hard look at the possibility due to overwelming support for a long weekend breaks for teams.
Interesting about crawford, hed be great to have as a coach in this league if he were available.
Moving dates needs to reflect what the actual objective/goal is in doing so.
Even if the dates worked well with the NBL season and there were no conflicts, would the Wildcats allow many of their players to compete in the SBL? I would only think the DPs and 9th/10th players would.
Generally these players are playing in the SBL with some time in between to freshen up.
I don't think moving the SBL season would really affect how many NBL guys would play.
It is probably more valuable in looking at what the season dates mean for college players and for imports.
Generally any local players that are going to college miss the last part of the season, or finals games. At a really rough guess I think this affects approx 4-6 players per season.
The European leagues have different season/finals structures but the better leagues conflict with current SBL fixtures meaning any better imports (Okoye, McDowell etc) would be unavailable for a large number of games at the start of the season.
I agree with a lot of the opinions that there could be some changes and initiatives made to improve the SBL.
Keeping the same number of games but condensing the season duration by about 4 weeks would be something I think could work.
Obviously having country teams makes this a bit more difficult but maybe having Gero/Kal having home double headers may be a solution???
One other thing that has long been an issue and has no easy answer is the payment of players.
As mentioned above, some more financial teams often lure top end players with payments in an attempt to strengthen their roster.
Is this right or wrong? I'm not really sure but it does create some issues.
1) Clubs that are less financial are not really able to compete in the longer term (they might have a season or two where they are competitive but this can't be sustained)
2) Younger players or average players are being offered payments really just to lure them away from a club. In reality these players do not deserve to be paid. It makes it difficult for clubs to sustain a good financial position and it also sets unrealistic views of where there players are at.
I'm wondering if a points type system would work in this scenario which also had payment bands attached. Obviously it would be more admin for the league and might get exploited by some teams.
1 point player = rookie with less 10 SBL games = No payment allowed
2 point player = role player that has less than 100 SBL games and average less than 12mins court time in previous season = No payment allowed
3 point player = solid SBL player with more than 100 SBL games = $100/game or less
4 point player = elite non-restricted player more than 100 SBL games and stats based ranking = $250/game or less
5 point player = restricted player = $800/game or less
A restricted point total per team is established and the game payments are more controlled.
Any team found to be breaking the rules lose all points for year.
Just a thought...
Whether someone "deserves" to be paid is completely subjective.
People are paid whatever the market offers. Take the money while you can because basketball is under supported finacially compared to rugby and footy but still requires a massive time committment.
To be honest the amount of money going to players like damian scott, trian iliadis etc is approx 100 to 300 a game. Which in reality probably could be afforded by most clubs if they had one sponsor or a fundraiser.
Point system is not wanted but I do like the idea of manditory minimum payments. We want the best players here possible. I think thats the kill making the league as appealing as possible for bigger names and ability.
maybe cut the refs pay and put that toward a player fund?
Lets be honest the logistics of it all will make it difficult to change much.
Compressing the fixture leads to over loading teams (they've even added a week as of last year? to try reduce the number of double headers).
If you shorten the games then you have teams either with the possibility of not playing each other (unlikely) or once (possible). But whether or not that makes for much of a spectacle - who knows. Depends how the league & teams market that.
A bye week makes the most sense to attempt to keep some noise makers happy.
I think everyone is just being ancy about it for something to talk about. Its a semi-professional league, playing on long weekends & days that most people would have off work etc is to be expected. If you don't like it, obviously SBL isn't for you & you aren't overly serious about a career in basketball.
Looking forward to the season 2K16
That is an absolute cop out to say if you dont like it then dont play? So you are saying then that the SEABL is less serious than the SBL? and that the Big V is too? Both these leagues easily cater for the long weekends. You said it yourself it IS a semi pro league... key word SEMI. More than anything there needs to more communication between the league and the people that actually participate. Rather than a North korea set up. To say if you dont like it leave to me depicts an organisation completely unwilling to engage with its investors... the people.
I dont quite understand why its so important that we play every team twice, I understand the reasoning, but is it really necessary when it come to season leangth and double headers etc. Surely it would make your job alot easier? i mean in between games of minesweeper and tinder obviously.
I don't think it is just the season fixtures that posters are looking at, but what changes could be made to improve the SBL and get it to the best comp outside of NBL.
Here are some high level options:
- Increase Competition skill level
1) reduce team numbers to reduce spread of talent
2) attract higher quality non-restricted players
3) increase restricted players to 3 per team
4) introduce better second tier comp so players are more developed when entering SBL
5) introduce incentives for teams/players (prize money etc)
6) build better relationship with NBL teams and become an official development league
- Improve Quality of Officials
1) provide a better development program for officials
2) improve dialogue between players/coaches and officials and have forums to get better relations
3) scrap any Point of Emphasis initiatives which always cause issues and fizzle out after first 6 weeks
4) develop the culture of officials where there is more emphasis on being part of the supply chain and not THE supply chain
- Improve crowd numbers and following
1) start games earlier in more family friendly timeslots
2) build more of link between WABL and SBL where junior players have an incentive to attend SBL (maybe competitions to win reduced WABL fees)
3) improve media offerings. (youtube channel, greater social media, interviews with players etc)
Some of the above have potential, while others might not work. The more genuine ideas that posters can generate then maybe something can be done.
Finally great to see some good discussion on here rather than the usual broohaha of whether or not Jake Burston's mole has gotten a date lately... and if it has how did it affect the thurs night comp at The Church!?
Ok first things first... Original Poster wrote "maybe cut the refs pay and put that towards a player fund" - In the words of my boy Trigger 'LEL' Just HOW much do you think the refs are on? Not too sure of current rates but from memory goin back a couple of years Panel 3 was like $70 for a Women's game and $85 for a Men's; Then that went up to Panel 1 around $110 & $130 roughly. Given that most of the refs give up around the same amount of time each weekend as players (Remember most Panel 1 & 2s will regularly ref two games per weekend if they're not rostered in Gero or Kal) then the pay given is barely sufficient when taking into account travel, abuse, stress, clueless spectators etc. So saying ok lets take cash from the one key factor we need to have a game, refs, to give back to the players - is kinda stupid and rather ill-informed.
I agree that maybe something has to be done in regards to the length of the season and making it more appealing for players to manage playing in a semi-professional league whilst also spending time with their loved ones, mates etc too. A while back I posted that I think a way of curbing this would be moving to two conferences. 7 Teams in each conference, with Top 4 teams from each conference going straight into the Finals. 1st in North Conference plays 4th in the south, 2nd N plays 3rd S... you get where I am going here. You play each team in your conference twice (Home and Away) and you play teams in the opposite conference once (Yes like WABL... it works and you just alternate each year as to who plays who were e.g - 2016 Rockingham (South) play Buccs (North) in Geraldton; 2017 Buccs play Flames at Rocko)
It would mean each team would have a 20 game season, and if you reduced it to a 15 week regular season, it would mean around 4 or 5 double headers rather than the 8 or 9 we currently have = More time away from Basketball and with those you would prefer to spend time with.
I would love to see better marketing - YouTube Page (SEABL & Big V do this very well) / Weekly Wrap-Ups / ALL Clubs actively involved with the Radio Show / Regular articles in The West & Community Newspapers.
I don't think the $$ issue can be truly covered though. If clubs are held accountable they will just find loopholes to get away with player payments through sponsorship etc. Is it fair - no, but will it change in its current format... probably not. The League needs three things to maintain its relativity: 1) Buccs & Giants to be relevant / In Finals... If either of these two teams ever got to the point where they were not competitive for several successive years, the League would also suffer in the short and long term. 2) League Honcho's need to figure out a system which penalises clubs for poaching talented WABL players away from their junior clubs just for promises of a quick buck and instant success, whilst killing the development pathways of the so called 'weaker clubs'. 3) Publicity... pump the game in any way shape or form - BBL is popular is heck right now and that's in light of some horrible negative press at the moment but such is the wave that they are on, they're using it to generate more viewers / interest / revenue. Get your clubs out into the local community at local fairs / shopping centres / fundraising initiatives >> If people can relate to just one person they meet at these events, they WILL come to your home games. Then the onus is on you to put forward a game night product that is worthy of making them want to come back... Just my thoughts :-)
A way to approach the "recruiting" of weaker clubs juniors and developed players could be to introduce transfer fees. This could be done with set fees, graded on games played, years played etc. and with an appeal process for disputes.
I like the conference system as described by [email protected] It won't prevent the best two teams playing for the championship and has a few benefits that could improve the SBL.
Clubs should be forced to offer information re their recruiting etc. prior to the season as info will create interest. I cannot recall any SBL info on who is on who's roster for the past two years or more. The secrecy thing is bullshit and doesn't provide any advantage to anyone in reality.
- Buccs to drop with new rookie coach, ageing list, potentially no Lewis
- Cockburn to dropoff as roster turnover will not help their chemistry
- Eagles are a bit unknown. Main players are ageing and won't impact as much, don't know if there are any juniors coming thru that can impact
- Flames to drop with no improvement to roster, actually weaker roster
- Giants to drop with departure of Mua.
- Hawks to maintain late season form and be a big overall improver. Assuming they get their 2nd import spot right
- Redbacks to improve after lessons from last season and more balanced team
- Senators to improve with Ellis coaching. Will be hoping their college players come back and make impact
- Slammers to drop as they will miss Ty as coach and player
- Suns to still be bottom of ladder as team will be weaker than last season
- Tigers to improve with upgrade of import/s to counter loss of hayden/burston
- Wolves to hold steady and win it all
Well heres my early predictions for the 2016 season:
1 Joondalup Wolves - still the team to beat. Most reports have the same nucleus together. Timms to have a more prominent role after an injury free pre-season
2 Stirling Senators - everything is shaping up for them to have a break out year IMO & could be the big movers. Showed positive signs last year, with a young talented squad, new stadium, financial backing of the church & Mike Ellis return to senior coaching - the pieces are there.
3 Cockburn Cougars - should continue to flourish under Parsons in year 2. Provided they are able to find another 2x useful imports & the return of Holmes & Thomas work out.
4 Geraldton Buccs - always competitive & always have financial backing to attract good talent. Addition of some Rockingham players & Trahair at the helm could provide the depth Geraldton never seemingly have.
5 Willetton Tigers - dark horse to perform up to their potential. Signing Bowie, keeping most the firepower & trimming the fat. Positioned for a big year but will rank at the middle of the pack until they prove otherwise.
6 Goldfields Giants - Signings of 2x imports, Goodluck (SA) & Nikora (Perth) plus the local brigade will see them be competitive as always & should push for a finals position once again.
7 Lakeside Lightning - Not much out the camp in turns of signings other than Chan (rumoured but not confirmed?). But with a new USA coach & Ronaldson on board, I think this could be their first trip back to post season action since the end of the Stewart era.
8 Perry Lakes Hawks - Hobbs supposedly back on with the typical support cast but have kept a low profile for most the pre season. Always play hard & cant be counted out, so I wont & have them around the same mark as 2015.
9 Southwest Slammers - Losing Harrellson will hurt but hopefully the association learnt a thing or two to sustain some on court success. Will win games, but probably not enough.
10 Rockingham Flames - no word on the Land boys returning & some players headed north to the shores of Geraldton, wins may be hard to come by.
11 Perth Redbacks - another tough year for the boys in Red, downgrade in imports (no Turner or Putney), departure of players & a return to Belmont Oasis - cant see them pushing for a finals position.
12 Mandurah Magic - no home games for 2016. Havent heard of any player movements, so cant see them improving much on last years disastrous finish.
13 East Perth Eagles - Joe Allens first year at the helm. After a tutelage of the legendary John Gardiner he could wind up being a success, but with a very young brigade & no signings announced, they have a long way to go.
14 Kalamunda Eastern Suns - new coach. same story. Expect them to take the wooden spoon again. Lost two promising youngsters in Chan & Holmes, new imports surely having to learn a new system & unflattering signings in Prior, McIllroy & unproven 18 year olds.
Feel free to comment & Discuss
I think he is, did his ACL first game last year so should be ready for pre season if everything has gone well.
Not sure why Stirling are ranked so highly, how are they better than last year? I will be surprised to see them do well while Ellis is taking up one of their restricted spots. Need two imports to get enough wins IMO.
Chan is confirmed at Lakeside, but apparently they have lost Jesse Dixon to retirement as well now.
Wolves could go the full year undefeated at this stage
Great feedback! I think Mandurah will do better than you guys picked, they were top 4 most of the season prior to the disastrous finish. Obviously chemistry issues had to be the problem there.
I would like to say the same for Flames and Redbacks but I will have to see what players have left and joined before committing.
Agree that Wolves win again, they are the only team that wins by standing pat for awhile.
Lakeside made the semis the first year after Stewart departure.
Mandurah lost Big Ben Smith to Flames, Rhett Della to Cougars and Stoveld to Cougars. Although Mully should be a local this season which opens the door for them to get 2 more imports. If they can upgrade on trigger happy Hafford and get another good big they are competitive. Will need Jackson to stay healthy to be consistently winning. It wouldnt hurt if Florance hit a 3 every now and then too.
Slammers should still be tough. Picking up Easley as a local keeps their dream of 4 American born players alive. Retaining Nicholls was huge for them and Weeden returning at some point this season. They just need to find a good replacement for Voelkel, preferrably someone who isnt going to blow a fuse and get ejected every few games. The boy could rebound though!
Luke Nevill would improve any team, he definitely makes Stirling or Perth tough if it is true. I didn't know about Ben Smith to Flames, this is a big loss to Mandurah if true.
In the SBL most coaches would find a legit 7 footer who possesses solid inside play is difficult to defend with guys usually 6'7 or 6'8 matching up. This requires a certain game style to combat
It will be interesting to see how Magic go without having a home court for a season irresepctive of roster changes
Mully being a local this year is huge. They didnt use him much in their offence in 2015 and he looked like he had been on the same training regime as Carter Cook so if they can get him back in shape and touching the ball within 10 feet of the basket regularly they will more than cover what Smith brought inside.
If they can get two solid imports, a big to replace Smith who can stretch the floor a little and a wing to replace Hafford then they shouldnt be too bad. The loss of R.Della will be harder to cover.
Jackson's health is extremely important for them this year. No real margin for error if he has to sit out any games.
ben smith is staying with Mandurah magic , have already signed an import . have lost dellas, gerovich (cougars) samuelson,stoveld (buccs )not sure if taylor mullenax is an aussie yet or this season.will make a difference , also more key signings to come. Mandurah will be playing finals this season.
That would be interesting... but the league cant even bring in public holiday breaks what makes you think theyd bring in a trade system.
Stirling will be tough this year Ellis is a legit coach and exactly what the young crew needs, whether they can produce consistently (throns, woodbury), is another thing. Cody should be hungry to win will help if import is legit. Their stadium is also meant to be decent
Lakeside are another side that will be interesting, Chan finally getting some respect in the league and will only get better with a legit coach.
Perry lakes potentially could perform well this year, hickert rumoured to be headed there,
Ryan smith hadnt played bball in 4 years before this season and stood out in multiple games meaning he will probably get better, dixon coming off season with cats, hobbs back and in same system, cassir back, purser same, garlepp same... any word on their other import?
Mandurah will struggle... as will kalamunda dont know who plays there now.
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Who are the likely Aussies to have breakout years this year?
Last season saw guys like Ash Litterick and Jayden Coburn emerge for Senators, Parkinson and Martin for Lightning, Ironmonger for Wolves, Chan at Suns and Pesava for Cougars.
Are any of these guys going to make the jump to being consistent performers in 2016?
Are there any other guys who might make some noise this year?
Litterick I did not think too highly of (but happy to be proved wrong), Coburn has some real promise, but might still be a while away.
Alabakis from Perry Lakes perhaps after training with the Wildcats most the season? But he needs some size on the frame & will obviously be pretty raw at senior level
We'll all have a clearer idea a few weeks into the season I'm sure
Wow you are predicting a fairly considerable shake up for the women there.
Lakeside to rise from bottom to 6th? They are getting two imports and a new coach this year but that's a fair improvement!
Southwest to drop from 6th to last?
Suns from 5th to second last?
Will Vinci see any significant minutes now that Daniel Thomas has returned? Keeping in mind Van Lit is still there. Its not like he can even pinch minutes at the 2 with Lane possibly returning and Pesava showing he is going to be very good at the senior level.
Alabakis is an interesting one to keep an eye on for sure.
Definitely keen to see how Grida and Sherville go in 2016 as both very exciting talents. Both are as long as a summers day and versatile players. Could do with some meat on their bones but Im sure Lakeside will have them locked in that gym and on the protein shakes
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garbin is going to be away for a chunk. they have been a club that has not copped an injury to an important player for a couple of years , hunger ?
other teams have improved . hawks,tigers,
don't get me wrong they are tough girls who deserve the utmost respect but its just a view.
lakeside will rise they were a team that copped injuries that is why they finished where they did.
slammers going with youth blew their budget to bits last season hence the drop. suns lose dennis,edwards, a lot of depth.
The power ranking looks pretty accurate from the news/rumours during the offseason.
The only one that I would question is Cockburn. I'm not sure I would have them that high.
The major reason for success last season was the way the coach got all the players to buy in to the system and to play together.
Will quite a big player turnover, and adding a few veterans who may not adjust to the system, I think they will drop off a bit from last season.
In light of recent announcements expect changes when the next SBL rankings are released.
He announced it himself so I'd say its real.
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Im suprised with practically 4 imports, including one of the best players in the league in Nicholls that Slammers are predicted to finish 10th?
Also Kal i think have been underrated.
7. Perry Lakes
13. East Perth
Sure Goldfields are being underrated they always are, but their issue has been depth. I don't think losing Bowie helps that as it will be tough for the replacement import to be as good as he was. They lost Muo aswell and as far as announced have only replaced him with D. Goodluck. Lucky is a good pickup but after seeing him play I don't think he's anything near what Muo produced.
If you're including Easly as an import, they really only have 3 1/2 imports. He won't help Slammers like he didn't help Perry, E P or Willeton. another 1 year stay with people who won't like playing with him.
Really hard to predict any teams except Joondalup until we see their imports play. One or two guys can really make a big difference to teams that seem ordinary if they fit the system and the locals like playing with them.
It would surprise me to hear that the U20 beat the Wolves as they have been getting smashed in most of their other practice matches. It obviously depends on who the Wolves put out on the court.
I will be interested to see how Maxwell goes at Wolves if he returns as suggested. I thought he was a really tough player coming off the bench for them.
Wolves rumored to have Rhys Smyth and Reece Maxwell returning to the fold.
With a 2015 championship back court of Questel, Illiadis and Salinas with Ironmonger and Wellsteed coming off the bench, what would this do for these 2 young emerging guys off the bench?
Solid (literally...) front court with Big Ben Smith, Mully, and Remmers if they are all at Mandurah.
Remmers will be good replacement for Della.
Magic would need to get an athletic 2/3 man otherwise they may be a bit slow to cover some teams.
Wolves just ridiculously talented. Etteridge must be good in managing expectations and egos.
The rumours will be replaced by facts soon with teams starting to play practice games and the Blitz just around the corner.
1. TIGERS lose wallbutton and kenneddy and antonio,
Will probably gain a lynx player.will be hungry.
2. PERTH Gain wallbutton,mercer,gillmore,ajay jones,bianca donovan,
Retain hayward, jakens and Osulivan. say no more.
3.Flames gain Kennedy and pether,garvin late back,sami whitcome 3 championships plus league mvps, will win mvp in wnbl, needs to cash in at seabl nothing to prove hear.
4.HAWKS GAIN doccy instantly makes any team better,with an imoport will improve heaps.
5.WOLVES big loss with mercer,may lose a couple of others, new coach, always tough.
6. LAKESIDE lose pether, new coach, 2 imports,no injuries will improve.
7. STIRLING new coach, new import, need a point guard,will be more than competitive.
WOMAN 2016 CONT;
8. COCKBURN new coach and import, not much else will need a 2nd import.
9.EAGLES Dont appear to lose anyone, great coach but if they dont recruit,much the same as last year.
10. SUNS. new coach, lose a couple of players to college, will need 2 really good imports,but will struggle early.
11. MAGIC. Milo back,but will lose a couple and if no import not even coach of the year will save them.
12. SLAMMERS Lose donovan apparently no imports, will struggle.
1. They probably don't have the $ to get two imports of that quality.
2. They likely had to pay Remmers and Smith to move/stay at Magic. Smith talked to a few clubs and wanted the same money or more to move from Mandurah.
3. How much depth behind those two on the bench? Injuries etc.
No way they challenge Wolves.
Both McDowell and Swing came virtually out of college so would likely have come on the minimum to start with (no chance of getting them back to SBL now even if you throw cash at them).
They were just used as examples of the type of players that they should be looking at.
At this stage, on paper, they will def compete for top 8. But all will unfold in a couple weeks as the actual teams are known.
I'm sure there will be a few surprises but probably no where near the player movement as has been suggested on this forum over the past months.
Its funny how people think because a guy is dominant in the league they must be getting paid more money than other imports.
Plenty of examples of guys over the last few seasons who came either right out of college or early in their careers either on work visas or base minimum.
If you recruit right it doesnt have to break the bank. Heck, if any combination of those guys above were on that Magic list around Smith, Mully, Jackson and Rimmers Id say they are contenders to win the whole thing.
The SBL has long been known as a development league for American players.
They come out here, throw up big/impressive or improved numbers in order to secure a better job elsewhere.
Only a few generally go onto greener or better pastures & maintain a long & healthy career. While the rest return home & slowly but surely fade into obscurity once again or generally find their way back to the SBL.
Jordan Swing is an excellent example (& for the record he is a good player).
Not a huge stand out prospect at UAB. Had two solid seasons averaging 11 & 13.9ppg respectively before his final season dipped off to 5.6ppg.
Comes out to SBL & throws up near 30ppg, looks impressive & even has people talking that the wildcats should give him a look.
Goes to D-league where he averages a measly 4ppg & in his 3 euro league games he is averaging a whole 2ppg.
SBL = American development league.
slammers and Mandurah women will both have 1 import I think both will need some help from what im hearing however. there has been no-one saying anything. they don't have any ties to the lynx or other power clubs in the SBL so I don't think anyone really cares. slammers have lost a few including Donovan. Mandurah have lost 7-8 girls I believe including both Sidebottoms to flames , smith to suns. anyway good luck to them . 3 peat coming up.
Jervis and Hire will be restricted. Official 'NBL Restricted Player List' came out today.
Hire would be 'unrestricted' once he plays 150 games with the Wolves. He's on around 120 at the moment so a while to go.
As far as the Lynx are concerned, the following are 'restricted':
All the rest are unrestricted.
Armour, Scott, Bowie, Cody, Jervis?/Import
Black, Dongalic and Balcombe is a pretty decent roster
add Josh Johnson to that as well.
Interesting that 4 of those players have played at Eagles with 3 of them being long term EP.
Not sure that will be the Willo lineup but with 5 of the 9 being non-willo and Armour a bit of journeyman, there is a definite change in approach here.
Without any negative to that program, it is interesting that a club with the dominance in juniors had to recruit Eagles players to compete for championship.
Why is this?
Johnson is a good guy off the bench for them provided he can stay healthy. Can also add Mitch Clarke to that bench list.
Even if Dongalic was not to join and they just got Balcombe its a very different approach to when Foster was coach.
Interesting hearing Corey Shervill is now at Lakeside who was probably one of their best juniors coming through. You would think he could have played a bench role for them in SBL this year?
Not sure on the motivation behind recruiting EP players, maybe with Armour having played there is some connection?
Jervis has played just over 150 games with EP, he started off restricted but was no longer restricted during their championship season. Only played one game last season, and was unrestricted then. But is looking for more money this season.
Donlagic staying with East Perth, playing alongside his younger brother Andrej.
Chudier Pal also a strong chance to suit up for Eagles after being spotted with Forde at Wildcats. Forde still involved at club behind the scenes.
if chaudier paul is to go to east perth, rockingham are in a world of pain. I think their coach has sat on his hands way too long. unless he is going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. they may go down as the smallest team in the history of the SBL.
2005 - 17
2006 - 26
2007 - 12
2008 - 10
2009 - 11
2010 - 18
2011 - 29
2012 - 15
Total - 138 (all with the Wolves)
2005 - 20 (Eagles)
2006 - 3 (Redbacks)
2009 - 8 (Eagles)
2010 - 25 (Eagles)
2011 - 28 (Eagles)
2012 - 31 (Eagles)
2013 - 29 (Eagles)
2014 - 15 (Eagles)
2015 - 1 (Eagles)
Total - 160 (157 with Eagles, 3 with Redbacks)
Therefore Hire is still restricted but Jervis is unrestricted if he plays for East Perth.
Wolves don't really need two imports so basically leaves it up to Hire to rejoin the team if he wants.
Jervis is more interesting, could probably get a lot more $ by leaving and taking a restricted spot at another club. But if he stays at eagles and they get two tough imports automatically makes them very good.
What is the Wildcats view on their players being in the SBL? It seems like there have been less Wildcats in the last couple of seasons. Is that a directive from the Wildcats or is it more of a decision from the players themselves.
Jervis makes nearly any team a legit title contender if he moves to them. Against the Redbacks a couple of seasons ago in the finals, both Roberts and Stan were clearly worried about his shot blocking ability and also the zone... His presence on court is massive in SBL.
If Hire plays for Wolves then they will surely have some serious problems with minutes. Hire, Seb, Trian, Huntington, Damo, Questel, Davis (import?), Ironmonger all competing for the 240 minutes.
Jervis does turn any team in this league into a contender, he is the best shot blocker in the nbl so that speaks for itself.
Just an extra to interested comments- that year against Perth in the semi's both Stan and Lee were greatly restricted by the archaic 80's style post oriented offense they used. I respect coach Lackovic as I believe he has done some great things for the league, including some great imports being bought over. However running a post offense vs a height/ size disadvantage is ridiculous. And the Iowa zone offense is no better in that respect, it is no surprise the Redbacks are getting zoned constantly these days.
I do also recall the refs putting the whistles away a lot of the times Stan and Lee took the ball to the basket against Jervis. But thats where teams need to be able to adjust and go to other looks. It seemed like they were unable to do that in that series.
Not sure on why there havent been as many Wildcats guys in the SBL over recent years but one thing that is apparent is that the standard of the league drops without them there.
Going back to around 2009 and 2010 the league saw Jesse Wagstaff, Stephen Weigh, Cam Tovey, Daniel Johnson, Sam Harris, Paul Rogers, Damian Martin (a few games), Matt Knight (a few games), Greg Hire, Brad Robbins, Alex Loughton, Jeff Dowdell all playing in the SBL. Throwing in decent imports around these guys saw the standard go through the roof.
So imports confirmed so far?
Najee Lane returning
East Perth Eagles:
Carter Cook returning
Jacob Holmen returning
Kevin Davis returning
Bryton Hobbs returning
Tre Nichols returning
Kyle Lindbergh returning
Fill in the blanks?
So if the above is true, Stirling would have a roster somewhat like this:
Thats a tough 12 with good balance across the board and a good mix of veterans and younger talent.
Firstly, I don't think Ellis gets killed at sbl level. Most of the guys he is guarding now would be quicker and more skilled than anyone playing the 3 in sbl.
Then u have throns, coburn, Woodbury and even Caleb Davis who could play the 3.
I'm sure mike Ellis will know how to best play his roster to cover, might play a lot of zone, then they would at least beat the Redbacks right.
Im just so bloody sick of it guys because like I work really really hard to be a douchebag on this anonymous forum, crafting a username that is just mine, for some troll to come along and use the very same technique I've adopted against me... is just... well... its just...annoying hey.
Nice "where are they now" article posted to the SBL website by Adam Forde. I think it proves the league has been and can continue to be a good launching pad for import players. Clubs should really push this point in their recruiting drives.
The league needs more quality, well researched journalism like this from people who actually know the games as opposed to some of the dribble we see in the game recaps etc.
good read from Adam and does give some insight into the calibre of some of the players we actually can attract here and as the discussion suggested earlier on generally at the beginning of their pro careers.
Id love to read a round 2 of this concept and hear where guys like Quinn McDowell, Brad Tinsley and Anthony Lee went onto play.
So has the mass exodus at Redbacks that everyone was so adamant was going to happen actually taken place?
So far their roster looks like
Imports x 2
Im only aware of Nikora and Prior departing for Goldfields and Suns respectively.
Are Dennis and Zach playing for them?
Yeah it may have been a little blown up in regards to mass exodus...
It is always likely that the imports will turn over, although Turner is probably someone that you would like to keep.
Prior wasn't really a part of their team last season anyway.
Losing Dennis would be a big lose, but the others were essentially role players who didn't really have a significant part of the rotation.
If they do add Vigor and Thomas then that would more than cover any losses.
Sounds like no bigs then at the Reds this year.
Cant picture Thomas playing the 5.
Vigor an unknown as to when he will arrive.
No Tawhiti & Makavilitongia.
The two imports are perimeter players.
Who fills the big spots? Its a team of swingmen & guards that all play the same roles.
Well if Vigor returns he is a big and can play the 5. Thomas is a stretch 4 but still classed as a big. That said with Dennis and Zac no longer there they are one decent big short to come off the bench.
Maybe after being so post focused last year with Turner there, Lako is going for a smaller, more mobile lineup and perhaps a different game style?
Playing a faster pace may make it a little harder for teams to zone them as much?
Very Sad to hear of the passing of Vivienne Austin an Icon of Cockburn Basketball .Viv was the "lady on the door" for many years at SBL, WABL and Domestic basketball . We will all miss this cheerful lady Deepest sympathy to her boys Glen and Ryan and to her Basketball family
Thanks for that WolfPack basketball.
Reading the article, it would appear Bobby Evans decided to relocate to Perth on a working holiday visa, and then Wolves came calling???
A lot of luck there or the article is slighty inaccurate and the Wolves were involved with him making the decision to come here and play.
So are these the imports this year:
Wolves - Kevin Davis & Bobby Evans
Willetton - Jay Bowie & ?
Magic - Mullenax & Trevor Setty
Hawks - Brian Carlwell Bryton Hobbs
Eagles - ?
Suns - Brandon McGill & Jacopo Marsili
Cougars - Marcus Goode
Buccs - Maurice Barrow & Carter Cook
Giants - Kenny "KJ" Manigault & Jacob Holmen
Lakeside - ?
Redbacks - Reed McConnell & ?
Stirling - Ellis & Kyle Lindbergh
Slammers - Tre Nichols & Royal Crouch
Flames - Taylor & Cooper Land
Lets do a pre-season grading on how the teams have gone in their recruiting (or lack of...) for the import spots.
Buccs - Maurice Barrow & Carter Cook
Have struggled to keep a 2nd import over the last couple of seasons. Barrow looks to be a solid recruit who can score and rebound. Carter is a seasoned vet who keeps getting the job done.
Grade - B
Cougars - Marcus Goode
Went with two imports last season. Unless there is another coming then they may be going with one this season. Goode is a huge man and had a good college career at a D2 college. The concern would be his conditioning and the ability to compete in the SBL which is traditionally a 'small' league and he will have to guard smaller, more mobile players.
Grade - D (if this is their only recruit)
Eagles - No comment
Giants - Kenny "KJ" Manigault & Jacob Holmen
Holmen is a proven import and numbers likely to go up this season as he knows the league. Manigault looks like an outstanding talent and being NAIA player of the year shows he can perform on the big stage.
Grade - A
Hawks - Brian Carlwell Bryton Hobbs
Hobbs really adjusted well to the league as the season went on and was a big reason for the Hawks fast finish. Rumours of unrest with his attitude must not be true if they are bringing him back. Now the Hawks are taking a big risk on Carlwell. He hasn't played for two seasons and at his size/condition there is a big risk that he gets injured. (remember their import problems last season with injury) If he stays healthy and regains the form of his last playing season then this is a good pairing.
Grade - B* (star is if Carlwell stays healthy)
Flames - Taylor & Cooper Land
Going with the same guys. No what you are getting and they have stability in roster. Expect them to get some wins early and then struggle as other teams find their groove. Sounds familiar to the last couple seasons.
Grade - C
Lakeside - TJ Hallice and Daniel Alexander
From all reports the new imports are solid without being special. Lakeside have had some of the better imports over the years so it will be interesting to see how these guys go.
Grade - C
Magic - Mullenax & Trevor Setty
Mully struggled last season based on what he has done in previous years. He is still strong down low but his mobility really hurts them on D. Now Setty, very interesting articles of him being released twice from teams in the BBL. Not sure he is the best option they could have gone with, he might improve with the support of veteran players in Smith and Mully.
Grade - D
Redbacks - Reed McConnell & Jourdan Demuynck
Not the usual high profile imports that Redbacks have recruited. Ray Turner was elite, so anything else is hard to compare. Having two solid contributers may be what Redbacks need rather than one player dominating the ball.
Grade - C
Slammers - Tre Nichols & Royal Crouch
Tre was one of the better players in SBL last season even if he did disappear in the GF. Royal Crouch just sounds like a player. A solid player at Ty's school who will be hard to guard with his athletic ability.
Grade - B
Stirling - Ellis & Kyle Lindbergh
Ellis should be better after having an improved NBL season. Lindbergh was average last season. Having Ellis as a restricted player makes it tough without being able to get that 3rd import level player.
Grade - C
Suns - Brandon McGill & Jacopo Marsili
Does the word budget come to mind. McGill was cut quickly by Cougars so there is a big ? on him. Not sure if Marsili was recruited or just happened to be in Perth.
Grade - D
Willetton - Jay Bowie & ?
Tigers have probably not made any friends with Giants after taking their import from last season, but this is mens bball so these things happen. Bowie was a big time player last season, but will likely see less of the ball this year so his production might go down although he made be more efficient. Word is that Tigers are chasing a 5 man, either Jervis or import.
Grade - C (only one import at this stage)
Wolves - Kevin Davis & Bobby Evans
So Bobby Evans just happened to be in Perth on a working holiday visa and found his way to Wolves. Doesn't really matter as they have got him. Etteridge would have done homework and reached out to contacts so expect Evans to play his role well. Davis seemed to be the perfect fit and played his role well.
Grade - B
senators- land, lingbergh
slammers- 1 import
wolves- 1 import ,wischer
suns- 2 imports
redbacks- no imports going with local talent ha ha.
these are only rumours I have heard on the grapevine
I think the womens comp may be a keenly contested race this yr with plenty of excitement around .
ayone got some truth about any of the above.
So at this stage all teams (except Eagles) have their two imports in place (Willo will 100% get a second import/NBL player).
It then makes you wonder what is happening up at Morley. Last year their big-minutes players were Dech, Williamson, Vague, Barnett & Tupaea.
Dech has gone to college (or has he, see below), Williamson is older, and Tupaea is the coach.
Nothing on their website or FB page. Are EP even going around again? If they are, they are way behind the eightball.
Or are they going to surprise everyone by signing two imports late in the process, and then adding Jervis who is now unrestricted with them.
On the subject of Sunday Dech... where's he at?
Left for college (Metro State, Mark Worthington's old college) a few months ago, but hasn't played a game. Surely he hasn't quit?
Been trying to check the story that James Harvey will be involved in WASBL whilst on work transfer for 8 weeks, middle of 2016 season. Guess on a coaching level? The more local guys,retired from the NBL, that get involved with their State Leagues, the better.
Saw the result of the Tigers v Redbacks game.
A win is a win, but from all accounts the Reds imports not that impressive. (but this may be encouraging for Reds as they have capacity to improve)
And adding Kyle and Bowie into Tigers obviously changes things dramatically, plus another import.
More of interest would be who actually played:
Can anyone add to this:
Reds (McConnell, Demuynck, Wagner x 2, Thomas, Smith, Lewis)
Tigers (Scott, Johnson, Black, Clarke, Cody, Casey, Collins)
Any other scratch match results?
Jervis will guarantee at least an 80% win ratio for any part of the season he is available. If not more.
It will be interesting to see what his availability is if Jawai doesn't get signed by Cats for next year. If Jervis is projected to be promoted into starting 5 for cats he may not play SBL.
What is the appetite for risk from Tigers? Wait for Jervis to find out his availability changes or go with an import from day 1 and at least know he is around for the season and playoffs???
Surely Eagles could get a better import than Hafford? Even with budget constraints...
Brandon McGill surely didnt get a reference from Cockburn when they released him 5 minutes after arriving there. Still Kalamunda welcomed him with open arms.
crazier things have happened!
Hafford and Williamson seeing who can jack the most would be fun to watch on one level at least.
From my understanding he was already in Perth before Cockburn made contact and then they signed him?
You can't tell the character of a player until they are out here and in your environment.
So disagree that Cockburn did a bad job in regards to the character side, but agree to a certain point in regards to him not being the level of player they thought.
Having said this, highlight tapes and game film are not always a guarantee of a player's ability and fit within your system. All players are only going to upload film that make them look good.
Time will tell if he is a player that can contribute at SBL level, the Suns sure need him to be an elite level import.
Heres a good question
Even if a guy can flat out play is it worth having them if they have a terrible attitude?
Maybe the folks up in Gero can shed some light on this having released various imports over the last 5 or 6 years who could fill it up but were not the right kind of 'people' they were looking for
My simple answer is, it depends...
What is your roster like, what is your club culture, can the coach handle the player etc...
For some teams, having that flat out player will give them the shot at the championship and be the difference. For other teams the attitude will be to the detriment of the team no matter how good a player he is.
At SBL level the player would have to be pretty special to be able to overcome a poor attitude.
Unfortunately most clubs don't have the finances to replace an import so the background checking is paramount and then if they still get a knucklehead they have to make the most of a bad situation.
in 2013 Buccs signed and released Spencer Perrin before he even arrived after comments he made in the media about a $1million contract, private planes and beachside apartments being part of his package with the Buccs.
Signed Jamine Peterson as Perrin's replacement and released him 2 weeks into the season. Not because he couldnt play, he was unstoppable on the court. Carter Cook was then signed and has been there ever since.
Will also remember they released Quincy Hankins Cole last year despite having great numbers.
Im sure the Buccs being the professional organisation they are do as much homework on these guys as they can but as ??? said sometimes you just dont know till they get here
Tonight in Rocko the Flames D League team took on the Flames legends on court 2 (in between 2 social netball games).
In front of a crowd of 12, the current Flames players took out a close lifeless battle while most people were watching the Wildcats on Fox.
One suspects this was nothing more than a nostalgic p**s-up for the old boys that wasn't organised properly and couldn't even afford the privilege of setting up the Trav Moore show court for the annual battle.
The old boys looked more organised by bringing in many past players and coaches while the current team was a bit undermanned on the court and the sidelines.
Really looking forward seeing the country teams in action , generally they play the better line ups due to not having as much chance to play scratchies
goldfields import plus the SA boy, geros import plus the qld boy. and of course royal crouch.
should be a fun w-end and I hope all teams get thru unscathed .
Lol didn't even know that existed. SBL should definitely have a designated media / social media manager. Could even be a job for a journalism student. Wouldn't take much effort but would make a big difference in terms of how people view the league. The NBL made huge leaps in this area in 2016 and its really paid dividends IMO.
The SBL works really hard on its social media presence.
Just check out our website,
and also our hyper successful instagram...
All the best for all teams headed into the blitz and remember to tag SBLWA with your happy snaps over the weekend.
Yep, working hard and doing a great job.
Eight days from start of season and web site has had nothing new on it for a week and a half.
The Transition Tracker has had nothing new on it for a year and a half.
Have a look at what the AFL put on their site, it may give you a clue as to what SBL fans would like to be updated with, i.e. what's going on at various clubs, what players are doing etc.
Please don't say the clubs don't give you info.
So the Blitz has come and gone.
Was there any results or performance that changes peoples thoughts for the season proper?
It is hard to tell from the results as to which teams will be contenders as many players would have been missing and coaches wouldn't want to show their cards too early at the Blitz.
Maybe a bit of a concern for Kal and Gero with only a combined 1-8 win/loss.
Slammers also only going 1-3 with a full roster?
Very hard to judge with the players missing etc. However, Kal may struggle if their full roster was playing, so too Bunbury and Kalamunda. East Perth look very small but had one or no imports playing. Many teams playing D Leaguers/U20s for long periods. IMO the league will be improved in standard from last year. One of the Hickerts played for Hawks. That will make them stronger. Senators will challenge Joondalup I reckon. Import, Ellis, Mastro, and home growns under M Ellis will be worth watching.
Senators will have a tough starting lineup!
Wroe, Throns, Lindbergh, Majstrovich, Ellis
Throw in guys like Bruton, Illiadis, Coburn, Litterick, Woodbury, Caleb Davis (when back from college) off the bench and thats a tough deep squad.
Although the Majstro/Ellis combination defensively might be a bit of a worry
Mike Ellis will be good, I think alot of it will come down to whether AJ is effective this year. Wroe is a huge get stirling should be top 4 if not top 6.
East perth will struggle. The league level has probably dropped a bit this year particularly with bunbury/gero/kal dropping.
It appears that the league has dropped, and there will be a bigger divide between the top teams (Wolves, Stirling, Tigers, Hawks, Cougars) and the bottom teams (Suns, Eagles, Magic, Lakeside) with a few teams filling the middle positions but not really contenders (Kal, Gero, Redbacks, Flames, Slammers)
Some of the middle teams look to be heading downwards as well with their better players being closer to retirement than developing
Was difficult to get a gauge on teams over the weekend. Especially with them holding players out or running sub-par youth lineups.
Wasn't exactly a fan spectacle that is for sure.
Lakeside could be ok with the inclusions of the 2 imports & Chan (all held out) & Cockburn look like they will compete as well. Return of original juniors Thomas & Della will strengthen what is already a decent unit.
Perth looked incredibly small & be lucky to even go 7 deep.
Did gero have 2 imports playing? as i thought Carter Cook was returning??
versatility wont be a problem for Stirling. defensive liability however, will very much be.
Alot of the women teams held out players as well. Barely anyone fielded a full strength side. Ladder has Perth & Stirling undefeated, while Lakeside & Joondalup didnt even pick up a W.
The blitz is such a farce you cant even read into those standings what so ever.
It's Wolves championship to lose from what I saw, overall the competition has gotten weaker. There will be a couple of strong teams (Wolves, Cockburn) maybe Willo if they get another import and Stirling if they gel.
The Buccs and Giants were interesting. I thought Cook was a lock, but he wasn't there and it looked like they had two other imports playing. Also no Bennie Lewis, Ralph or Wundenberg.
Giants have no shooters at all but two pretty legit imports as always. Still looking to add the SA kid and maybe another guard.
Redbacks still adding Vigor but their imports didn't seem to be at the usual level.
Magic and Rocko basically the same teams as last year, maybe a little weaker with Mullenax and Tommy Remmers another year older.
Lakeside had no imports, no Chan, no coach and no Martin and 3 wins, but played weak teams.
Bunbury have similar team to last year swapping Hickert for Easley but they lose Harrelson as coach that has to be a blow. Still play finals surely
Any thoughts on Trevor Setty for Mandurah?
I saw a few portions of the game they played against WA Metro and he looked to have a decent outside shot
Rail thin physique though. Not sure if he could slide to a post position with his super light frame?
Any thoughts on Trevor Setty for Mandurah?
I saw a few portions of the game they played against WA Metro and he looked to have a decent outside shot
Rail thin physique though. Not sure if he could slide to a post position with his super light frame?
1st. Wolves (last year 1st)
Same team as last year except second (token) import replaces Timms and they also add Maxwell.
2nd. Cougars (4th)
Big Marcus Goode will surprise, plus they have added Della, Holmes and Thomas.
3rd. Buccs (2nd)
Import Burrows looks solid, while Akenponya and Samuelson should be good replacements for Lewis and Thomas. The big, young kid from Mandurah is a bonus and a welcome backup to Wundenburg.
4th. Tigers (6th)
Replacing Easley with Bowie is a winner. Second import will be a 5-man. They will finish between 2nd and 6th, and the new 5-man will determine that. I'll split the difference and say 4th.
5th. Senators (10th)
The big improvers. Wroe is the big pickup here, more so than Majstrovich who could come off the bench. Frontcourt might be a bit slow, and no true centre, but they will put plenty of points on the board.
6th. Giants (7th)
Have lost Muo and Bowie, but added Manigault, Goodluck and Nikora. Franich expected back from injury, and also rumours of another guard coming in after the season starts. Once everyone is in place, they look slightly better than 2015.
7th. Slammers (3rd)
Crouch and Easily in for Harrelson, Voelkel and Hickert seems like a nett loss to me. Also looks like they have lost some promising locals from their bench.
8th. Hawks (8th)
You would think Caldwell replacing Mike Eurobasket would be a good thing, however Caldwell has a lot of KG's to lose by the looks of it. Also rumour is that Garlepp is not playing. Based on that, they don't look better than 2015.
9th. Flames (5th)
Have lost a crapload of experience in Remmerswaal, Moore and Bowman, so some youngsters will have to step-up. Chudier Pal is a good inclusion in the big man department.
10th. Magic (9th)
Slid away towards the end of 2015 and that slide should continue. Looked an old, tired mob towards the end of the season and adding Remmerswaal (for Della) won't reverse that trend. Setty for Hafford is interesting but not enough to get them back in the playoffs.
11th. Lightning (12th)
Have lost Prue and Jackson and only gained Chan, so you wouldn't think they would move up a spot from 2015. Goes to show you how bad Redbacks, Eagles and Suns may be. Unfortunately their high profile coaching staff (some American dude and Tony Ronaldson) won't reflect on their on-court performance.
12th. Redbacks (11th)
Despite the rumblings, 2015 imports Turner and Brown/Chutney were ok-to-good as a combo. The 2016 editions are well below that. Add to that the loss of Tahwiti and they will struggle. Rumours are that Vigor is back, but he is their only big man.
13th. Eagles (13th)
Hafford in for Dech, but that's about it. If Jervis comes back then they might move up a couple of notches. But I think we will all believe that when we see it.
14th. Suns (14th)
Their 2015 imports look way better than this year's imports. Picked up veteran Prior, but also lost Chan and Holmes. This on a team that finished with 2 wins. Team looks weaker so how can you pick them for more than 2 wins.
Slammers could struggle with player losses and especially Harrelson who was a very good coach.
Tigers could struggle early if they are going to wait for Jervis to rest.
Garlepp played on the weekend and has been training. Hawks may need to get the Wildcats dietician who did such a great job with Nate.
Rumour is there will only be one Land in Rocko.
Eagles still with an import to come and could surprise. The Suns need help - no good having a team that will struggle to win a game. Get better or get out I reckon. They could then put the juniors revenue back into the juniors.
Not sure the new guys at Buccs can 'replace' Bennie Lewis. On any given night he was arguably the best scorer in the SBL and could really break games open. His D and rebounding wasn't at the level of where it could be.
Thomas was solid off the bench for most of the year.
So I don't think they have improved on last year and have likely gone a bit backwards.
Kal have made quite a few additions but losing Mua is massive as he was their 3rd import level player. Not sure the recruits can cover this loss.
Tigers have apparently signed a 4 man so the Jervis rumour looks to be just that. You would imagine an announcement should come out any day now. With the season starting in just over a week it is likely any import just signed would miss at least 2-3 weeks. They have the talent in 2 x imports, Scott, Armour but it depends on how well they play together and the local players ability to contribute.
Lakeside may be in a rebuilding phase, which was always going to happen after Prue retired, but will benefit from the league dropping off. If they can now keep this core group of juniors (Grida/Shervill/Chan/Martin/Vinci) they will be right back up there in a couple of seasons
Definitely think Wroe is good. I don't think he will be the kind of point guard who will score 20 points a night but he will be one of if not the best defender in his position in the league and is a big upgrade on Stirlings previous PGs.
Great fit for the team too. They have enough scoring between Ellis, AJ and Lindbergh and it allows Bruton and Throns to be spot up shooters rather than having to create off the dribble.
Observer - Ronaldson is no longer coaching at Lakeside so the high profile bench just lost a little bit of profile there!
To those saying Buccs will be better than last year I fail to see it. ??? hit it on the head, Lewis was arguably one of the best scorers in the league no matter what teams threw at him. I dont see the guys they have brought in being anywhere near to that level. I also think people underestimate the job that Hez did with those guys. Im not saying Trahair is a bad coach just that you lose a guy who is highly respected, experienced (in head coaching at that level) and proven winner. This loss has not really been factored in by a lot of the pundits.
Marcus Goode is Carlwell-esque! It will be a great matchup to see these two go at each other when the Cougars face the Hawks.
An early MVP candidate for me would have to be Gavin Field. Having that dominant post presence inside and a bit more experience around him in Della and Thomas I really see him thriving in this environment, even more so than last season.
Im interested to see how the Tigers go with chemistry. 1 ball between Armour, Scott, Bowie and another import. Someone or multiple people may not be happy with the amount of shots they get. Word on the street was Easley wasnt happy there getting 5 shots a game and coming off the bench, and that was with Davis as their other import who was more of a shot blocker/rebounder type, not taking a lot of shots. I dont imagine Bowie or their new import wanting to be in that same boat?
Not bad picks. Suns have no big guys, not that Redbacks do either though. Redbacks should pick up the W.
The Stirling game should be interesting how they pull all their talent together. That game is on Friday now, not saturday.
Cockburn should easily handle Perth
Not sure when Rocko and Willo get their second imports in so would have to go Willo based on aussies +bowie.
Wolves will kick off the season by easily taking care of Bunbury.
Gero should get a W against Mandurah then who knows what will happen against Lakeside who are totally unknown.
who are the 2 imports for willeton and rockingham that they are waiting for ?
the wsbl may be affected for the first round with a few girls playing.(lynx )
haven't all mens teams got their imports in place other than the above ?
there doesnt seem to be many imports in the womens comp this year , or are the still arriving ? any news.
Imports listed below in BOLD will be playing this weekend....
Wolves - DAVIS & EVANS
Tigers - BOWIE & Still Looking
Magic - MULLENAX & SETTY
Hawks - HOBBS & Carlwell
Eagles - Hafford & ??????
Suns - McGILL & MARSILI
Cougars - Lane & Goode
Buccs - BARROW & COOK
Giants - MANIGAULT & HOLMEN
Lightning - HALLICE & ALEXANDER
Redbacks - DEMUYNCK & McCONNELL
Senators - LINGBERGH & Ellis
Slammers - NICHOLS & CROUCH
Flames - Land & Land
So 19 out of a possible 28 imports playing this weekend, with seven not playing and two not found yet (Tigers, Eagles).
Rockingham have Sami Whitcomb
Mandurah do have one import
Bunbury have the same big as last year I think
Lakeside have Ali Schwagmiyer and 1 more import
Redbacks have recruited other teams players
Cockburn have 1 womens import
PL not sure
Stirling have two imports + a naturalized Amber Land?
Tigers @ East Perth - The Eagles have been as quiet as a church mouse in the off-season aside from the media release regarding Jo Alan taking over as Head Coach. Even the Hafford signing wasn't advertised and from all reports they won't have Jervis this season with other clubs and their $$ reportedly very interested in the Cats Big Man. Speaking of clubs with $$, that is who the Eagles welcome to 'The Nest' as Willo head across Garrat Rd Bridge for their season opener. After poaching Bowie from the Goldfields in the off-season, Blacky has once again put together a nice squad... but the question remains will there be enough Ball to go around and keep everyone happy? Time will tell on that front but for this game at least, it should be all smiles at Tigerland. Willo to easily get past the Eagles, winning by 17
Redbacks @ Kalamunda - So the exodus did occur to a degree, and the replacements for fadeaway Ray don't look to be anywhere near as high caliber. So many questions from a Perth perspective, but the main one being just who will lead the scoring for them this year? Has Nik learnt to beat a zone yet?? Will the Spiders Faithful welcome the move back to Belmont??? Interesting sub-plot here with both the Suns Head Coach and one of their major signings in Prior both having a significant history at the Redbacks. On paper you have to think Perth have the edge here but something tells me this will be close... Hard one to call in Week One but will go with common sense and say Perth to struggle to a 5 point win.
Lightning @ Stirling - So the first official SBL Game at the new Warwick Stadium and thank god the new grandstand is slightly more comfortable than its predecessor! Huge moves in the off-season for the Senators with Ellis x 2 signing on as well as the very handy additions of Wroe & Majstro (For once this is real LOL) mean that there is a very strong chance the Ship this year is going to the North Metro... just a matter of whether its the Wolves or Senators. The lads from the church head into 2016 with a somewhat depleted squad with Prue retiring (Again!) and not as much depth with their Australian stocks as there has been in the past. Hallice & Alexander will need to have monster games here to keep the Lightning in this one, but I think Stirling will have too much firepower and finesse up both ends of the court for them here. Senators to christen the new stadium in style, winning by 15 points.
Buccs @ Mandurah (Mike Barnett) - So the Trahair Era at Buccs begins with a game against the club he used to play for, at the stadium where he was an assistant all of last year for the Flames. It will be very interesting to see how the locals in the Midwest take to big A, but if he can transfer his wealth of knowledge and playing skills into a successful coaching career, I am prepared to say the Buccs will once again challenge for 'Bob' come late August. For the Magic and if there ever was an example of transition year - this would have to be it! Unable to play at their stadium all season due to redevelopment, losses in Hafford, Gerovich & Della x 2 mean the juniors coming through the WABL ranks the past couple of seasons for the club, will need to now fulfill that development at the next level for Mandurah to be competitive this season. Gero to get off to a winning start, defeating the Magic by 9
Hawks @ Kalgoorlie - Nixy and the boys from Floreat get their season underway with one of the true road trips of the league, heading east to play the Giants in Kal. Carlwell a nice signing for Perry Lakes if they can get him to somehwere near game fitness, but the fact he isn't cleared for this one could prove the defining factor with ol mate Frenchy making sure his two US Studs in Manigault & returning Holmen are all cleared. Giants looked to struggle at the Blitz from all reports but if my boy Hammer can replicate his 2015 late season form once Manigault finds his niche, maybe... just maybe, the Giants could be the dark horse this season. Should be a close one up at the Bowler Dome, but with no size inside aside from Purser, the edge has to go to the Giants here. Goldfields to get up in a nailbiter by 3 points
Cougars @ Perth - Seppo's not cleared for the boys from Hammy Hill yet but given Perth are on the quick backup, and just the significant difference in playing stocks between the two sides, you would expect the Cougars to have far too much polish for the Redbacks here. Great to see the Spiders back at their traditional home (Much more shooter friendly rings there too!) but it will be to no avail, as DT & Della return to the Cougars in style, winning by 11 points
Wolves @ South West - No Harrelson, no four Americans (Let's call it for what it was people! :-P ) & an aussie lineup which isn't getting any younger for the Slammers this year mean it could be a very tough one for the South West crew in 2016. The reigning Champs hit the Forrest Highway down to Eaton to open up their defense after taking all before them last season and with some of the best travelling fans in the League (Will that drum be banned at opposing stadiums this season!?) its hard to think the Wolfpack not continuing their winning ways into the new season given the addition of Evans to an already superb lineup. Joondalup to make the long drive worth it, defeating South West by 21
Flames @ Willo - Tigers on the backup after playing in Morley on Friday night, whilst the Flames will head into this one minus both the Land Brothers. Chudier Pal and Nebs Franich are nice additions for Rocko but alot will be left to Franich, Godfrey & one of the young guns in Roberts or J Beard if the Flames are to trouble the Tigers here. Willo to make it two from two for the weekend, defeating the Flames by 14
Buccs @ The Church - Both teams on the back end of tough Week One double headers. Based off each of their respective Australian stocks however, I can see this being a rather one-sided affair. Buccs to head back to the Crayfish Coast atop the standings, defeating the Lightning by 19