Anonymous
Years ago

Nate Jawai or AJ Ogilvy for Aussie Boomers?

Personally I would definately take AJ over Nate

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Maxymoo  
Years ago

Both

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No way both. Bogut, Baynes, Bairstow and Andersen are locks. Only 1 spot left for a big

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Mark-e-Mark  
Years ago

AJ Ogilvy and Nate Jawai would make a lot of national teams in the world, but Australia has so much depth in the frontcourt that they are after-thoughts at best.

You would have to slot them somewhere between Bogut, Baynes, Anderson, Bairstow, (not to mention the power forwards).

If Bogut and Baynes are available you can bet they are on the team. The only issues are Bairstow and Anderson. Anderson is coming up in years and might not be in the team if they are thinking of the future, Bairstow is a great player but he probably is fighting for his position much like Ogilvy and Jawai would be.

It would be a hard call to make to bring one of them in, but on current form I would go with AJ Ogilvy. Wait to see Jawai in full fitness, though, then that might change.

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Maxymoo  
Years ago

You're assuming Bogut makes it and I wouldn't have Anderson in the picture.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Andersen was one of our best performers at the Oceania's. Was arguably our best big. He will be there.

I would actually take Brock Motum over both AJ and Jawai

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Train  
Years ago

If Jawai can get fit and shed some weight I would pick him, he brings a different dynamic up the team. But if I had to pick a team now I would go with Ogilvy.

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Wildcats views  
Years ago

I like Khazzhou over both

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pg 6'4 1/2 dellavedova(cavaliers)/6'2 1/2 Gibson(36ers)
Sg 6'0 2/1 mills(Spurs)/6'7 2/3 broekhoff(kuban)/6'4 2 goulding(United)
Sf 6'8 3/2 ingles(jazz)/6'10 3/4 simmons(lsu)
Pf 6'10 4 motum(zalgiris)/7'0 4/5 anderson(asvel)/6'9 4/5 bairstow(Bulls)
C 7'0 5 Bogut(warriors)/6'10 5/4 baynes(Pistons)

If simmons is unavailable... Then newley.
Potentially swap out 1 of the pf's for Ogilvy as an extra centre knowing that simmons or baynes can play at pf.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

I'd be interested to see how/if Khazzouh would fit into the Boomers' system.

Our depth at the 4 and 5 spots is pretty amazing:

Bogut
Baynes
Bairstow
Motum
Andersen
Jawai
Ogilvy
Khazzouh
Knight
etc

Not to mention Simmons and Humphries (though likely unavailable for Rio).

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Player  
Years ago

It would likely be only a 10 minute role and Jawai gives you a look none of those other big guys can provide!

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wasportsfan1  
Years ago

Knight anyone?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

IMO Bogut, Baynes, Andersen and Motum should be locks and if need be I'd lean towards taking Bairstow over either Jawai or Ogilvy.

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Bear  
Years ago

Khazzou, Knight and Kickert are all puting their hands up along with Jawai and they all bring something special to the table...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Have to have a 4 man who can shoot the 3...

Which means 3 of these guys will be chosen.
Motum, Anderson, bairstow, Khazzouh, kickert.

I very much doubt kickert will be,in the mix.

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MACDUB  
Years ago

Sorry but I can't see Knight being at all effective on the international stage. Knight's a good player IMO but lets stop the talk there.

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Sitiveni  
Years ago

Maric?

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Bear  
Years ago

True^, we sometimes forget the Europa League guys unless we hear from them or about them, how is Maric going at the moment?

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AussiePride  
Years ago

Maric?

Shut Up.

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AussiePride  
Years ago

Andersen is a tough one. Yes, he played well at the Oceania series and at the London Olympics but he was terrible at the Worlds.

Andersen is great when facing the basket including from range, shoots a good fadeaway on a turn within 12 feet but when backing into the basket he really struggles. As long as Lemanis keeps him to his strengths he can be very useful.

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Curtley  
Years ago

Whoever the 4th/5th big is wil need to be a role player, I see Jawai as being a better fit as a role player than Ogilvy for his passing ability, general size and on offense his ability to set screens and finish at the rim.

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Dave  
Years ago

The way Khazzou is shooting the 3 this year I think he would be the best addition, just considering the bigs in the NBL. The stretch bigs always seem to do well in international ball.

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alexkrad  
Years ago

AJ is more of what they already have at least Jawai gives them a different look.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Apart from jawais size, he doesn't offer much....

Ogilvy is better at finishing around the rim, pick and roll, rebounding and shot blocking. Hes also a very good ft shooter.

With Bogut and baynes, it'll be hard for any other centre to get a look in.
Only bigs who can shoot the 3 and play quality minutes at centre or pf. Which means... 1 of Anderson, kazzouh or bairstow will get that 4-5 spot.

Bairstow spot could be up for grabs. We have a few bruisers already...
He's unathletic and quite small for his position. Only 6'9. Only just started expanding his range out to the 3 point line.

If simmons is available. I think they will ditch one of Anderson or bairstow for one of Ogilvy or Khazzouh because simmons can play good minutes at both 3 and 4.

I think we could see...
Ingles/simmons
Motum/Khazzouh/Anderson
Bogut/baynes

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bairstow won't make it...
i don't think he'll get many minutes at the Bulls.

My 12...

6'0 Mills 2/1
6'2 Gibson 1/2
6'4 dellavedova 1/2
6'4 Goulding 2
6'7 Broekhoff 2/3
6'8 Ingles 3/2
6'10 simmons 3/4
6'10 Motum 4
6'10 khazzouh 4/5
6'10 baynes 5/4
7'0 Anderson 4/5
7'0 Bogut 5

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Bear  
Years ago

How is Brock Motum going at the Jazz currently, is he still looking good for their roster for 2015-16?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just as well Exum is injured no way would Gibson make team otherwise

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Motum is starting pf at zalgiris Kaunas(Lithuania)

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LC  
Years ago

Motum is doing well at Zalgiris in Lithuania on a team playing Euroleague.

Aleks Maric is having his best season in 3-4 years, starting for Buducnost VOLI in Montenegro and also playing in Eurocup.

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paul  
Years ago

I imagine Bogut, Baynes and Andersen are the locks, after that it depends on what balance Lemanis wants.

Will Simmons be available, and will Lemanis take him as a project if he's not ready to contribute (I think so, see Exum 2014)? If Simmons is just a project I think Motum will go as the mobile PF.

If Baynes and Bogut are fit I'm not sure there's a spot for Jawai unless he really gets into dominant form this season and shows he can defend.

Ogilvy is definitely improved over two years ago, he fits the team better and has raised his energy levels. However, he hasn't addressed the mental and physical toughness issues that have kept him out of the Boomers recently so I don't see him in the mix unless there's a couple of injuries.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knight? Please

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paul  
Years ago

Knight would have been a very solid international player but it's too late for him. He hasn't got the experience in the international game, doesn't know Lemanis' systems and his body can't be relied upon.

Bairstow is pretty much a younger equivalent so better off keeping him in the line-up and developing. Matty can just stick to being the best and most underrated big man in the NBL!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"If Jawai can get fit and shed some weight"

I've been hearing this about Nate since they had to post armed guards to keep him away from the Dining Hall when he was at the AIS. Short of permanently sewing his lips together I don't see it happening to any great extent. The man enjoys his food.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Do Maker and Humphries get considered like Simmons...or not?

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Bear  
Years ago

Thanks LC, interesting to see how the Euro League guys get treated if they are available, now that the NBL is a higher profile league.

Maker and Humphries too young this time around IMO.

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sagemania  
Years ago

If Jawai could get down to say 120 k's he could be a devastating player with his skillset!

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Mark-e-Mark  
Years ago

I have never liked Kickert, but watching him recently he has really developed an 'all-court' game and he should be in the boomers conversation.

Knight is a little old to be a Boomers rookie. He surely could have been in the mix a few years ago, but his time is done.

Khazzouh is interesting. I am not sure how effective he would be in the post against bigger international players, however I expect he could still get his deadly shot off. I am not sure how necessary he is with Anderson in the team.

All of these guys deserve squad invites. It is a bit of a stretch that any of them would make the 12.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Neither should go on current form. If someone from the nbl is to make it as a big man it would be as a floor spacing shooter since we don't have that. Maybe Oscar Forman?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anderson spreads floor so he is a lock!

Loving AJ's game at the moment but big Nate is an X factor when in shape with his size/athleticism

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Mark-e-Mark  
Years ago

Oscar Foreman is extremely limited.

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hoops  
Years ago

cant believe people keep putting Motum in the team. You can tell he played a year in Adelaide. Thank goodness the team isn't being picked on here. The way Nate works well with Mills and sets great screens then also passes out of the block after he draws so much attention. He would be way more valuable in that roll than any of the others! The other players are great in there own right but you cant leave someone like Jawai out!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Is it true that for that last big man spot you want a guy who offers something different? A specialist so to speak who in the normal course of events won't play meaningful minutes but will have great value in certain situations. Jawai you would think fits that bill in case we come up against another team with a huge centre who he can match up on. Or forman or kickert in situations where we feel we can expose the other teams D and want to play a bit more offensive.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lol, jawai can set a screen...
But sucks at almost everything else.

Bogut and baynes cannot set a screen?
Both these guys are 260+lbs.

Ogilvy is on top of the Nbl stat sheet in 3 category's....
He is no light weight at 6'11 113kg.

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Jimbo  
Years ago

HAHA yeah sux at everything else. Thats why he went to the NBA and played for european powerhouses. Had 7/5/5 at halftime of their game then got screwed over by flopping. AJ is by far the softest big man in the league! He will get killed at international level! Cant wait to see the match up in Perth this week where Jawai wont get screwed at home!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bogut AND Nate are such good passing big men.

Baynes has a head full of air!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lol as a 3rd string backup...
Next to no time in the nba.
Sucked at Barcelona.
Sucked at galatasaray.
The guy has had 1 year stints at like 5-6 clubs and done little.

Only time he's been good was in the Nbl before leaving overseas.
And back then... The league had no descent big guys. At least none with physical size...

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Player  
Years ago

Time to get off the website AJ. Too much hate in your heart lol

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Can anyone remember the world champs and how bad Australia were at defending the pick and roll and had zero shot blocking ability in the paint.

Andersen is too old and slow and at the worlds his jump shot stunk.
Jawai is too slow and cants get off the ground.
If bairstow had a 3 point shot he would be good, but since he doesn't he plays like a small C.
Motum actually suits international ball as he can shoot from outside and defend both big spots.
Ogilvy blocks shots, can pass the ball and is more agile of the bigs.

The 5 bigs I would take would and minutes allocated would be.

PF - Baynes (25) / Simmons (20) / Motum (0)
C - Bogut (25) / Ogilvy (10)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lemanis isn't a top tier coach, had a good run when Breakers finally got their act together management and recruiting wise. Can't wait for Bevo to replace him.

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Curtley  
Years ago

This is probably the best Boomers team ever on paper - Maybe the 88, 96 or 2000 teams are equal but unfortunately they had a chance to medal but if this team finishes 4-6 it'd be about what's expected.

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Mark-e-Mark  
Years ago

"Can anyone remember the world champs and how bad Australia were at defending the pick and roll and had zero shot blocking ability in the paint.

Andersen is too old and slow and at the worlds his jump shot stunk.
Jawai is too slow and cants get off the ground.
If bairstow had a 3 point shot he would be good, but since he doesn't he plays like a small C.
Motum actually suits international ball as he can shoot from outside and defend both big spots.
Ogilvy blocks shots, can pass the ball and is more agile of the bigs.

The 5 bigs I would take would and minutes allocated would be.

PF - Baynes (25) / Simmons (20) / Motum (0)
C - Bogut (25) / Ogilvy (10)"

Very good points made, Anonymous. I personally had forgotten about those issues and I assume others on here had also. I understand Bairstow now actually does have a 3 point game. That would put him in contention. Still need an inside/outside scorer, not just Motum.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Coach is a worry, we have the talent now.

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paul  
Years ago

"This is probably the best Boomers team ever on paper - Maybe the 88, 96 or 2000 teams are equal"

The 88 and 96 teams were a long way off this, they didn't have the depth of world class players and relied on a few to do a lot. The level of international ball has risen a long way since then.

Obviously we don't have anyone close to the offensive talents of Gaze now, but a guy like Motum who will likely be a 10-12 player on this team is a starter in the Euroleague ATM.

The 2000 team was the other that had talent from 1-12 (as did 08 and 12 but without the top-end talent), with Gaze and Heal top-end internationals with a number of guys quality players at the level below that. Similar now with Mills and a fit Bogut would fit the top-end talent.

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LC  
Years ago

And Broekhoff starting on a Euroleague team too Paul!

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Jick  
Years ago

Blanchfield can't be too far away but prob won't make the final squad. Good all-round player though and could step up if there is an injury or two

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Bear  
Years ago

Some good points made in relation to athleticism, speed and mobility of the bigs, yet also some decent points about miss matches and being able to cover a monster in the paint, all valid.

What is pleasing about it is that we seem to have depth, but I also see some changes and a new generation coming in to replace those who have had a crack, but not been quite good enough to make finals so far.

A changing of the guard is eminent...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*imminent

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Jawai's BMI is eminent, though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If the NBA is A grade, Euro B, then what is the NBL?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

AIDS

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"If the NBA is A grade, Euro B, then what is the NBL?"

Hepatitis C

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hm  
Years ago

It would be inaccurate to grade them by A,B and C because there is many levels and variations in the leagues. Calling Nbl C grade would make it sound pretty average, when really it us just outside of the top european leagues and gaining ground.

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Observer  
Years ago

Look at stats at end of the NBL season will determine which player can get into Olympics.

AJ- Tall ,great inside player,healthy can getthe defensive offensive rebounds

Jawai,okay inside player,overweight ,slow

AJ by far,with stats to prove it

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would have thought D would be flattering. It is not elite and a lot of average players running around earning a wage.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Take khazzouh over both of them. Also anyone who's saying Simmons will be a project at the Olympics is kidding themselves. He could start for two thirds of the NBA now, imagine 12 months on

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