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Isaac
Two years ago

#38382

Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Wildcats:

Trevor Gleeson has told @6PRSportsToday that Damian Martin has gone to hospital with a suspected broken jaw + concussion.

Here's video of the injury, courtesy of Ash Baker on Twitter/YouTube:



Plays fair and hard. Not pleasant seeing him down like that.

Not thinking that he intended to injure anyone, but the way Conklin walks away suggests to me that he wasn't desperate to avoid follow-through contact.

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Anon
Two years ago
23:52 4 Nov 15

Reply #561170

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Dirty player Conklin didn't even turn around to see if Damo was okay.


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joshuapending
Two years ago
23:53 4 Nov 15

Reply #561171

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

For sure did not try and hurt him that much but like you said was pobably frustrated looked for some contact and lashed out a little. Just one of those things.


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
00:02 5 Nov 15

Reply #561172

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Gleeson:

"one of the dirtiest plays I've seen."
"He just dropped his elbow right on (Martin's) jaw," Gleeson said.
"He's lost a couple of teeth. That's a dirty play, without a question. We just watched it on video right then, and you don't drop an elbow straight on someone's jaw; especially our team captain.
"He's semi-unconscious, he's a bit delirious; there's no place for that in basketball."
"I'm sure Nate is getting ready to answer that (Martin incident), and we'll watch that as a team," he said.
When asked whether he will fire up Jawai for a dose of extra physicality against Townsville's bigs on Friday, Gleeson responded, "Without question."


Dennis (who had his presser after Gleeson's):

"We don't play dirty. That's pretty ironic coming from him and Perth," Dennis said in response.
"They've got a few guys on their team that throw a lot of elbows so perhaps he needs to look at his own backyard."


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Luuuc
Two years ago
00:05 5 Nov 15

Reply #561173

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Gleeson seriously needs to STFU about what Jawai may or may not be feeling or preparing to do.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:07 5 Nov 15

Reply #561174

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Reckless as shit


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snooch
Two years ago
00:17 5 Nov 15

Reply #561177

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

That's arguably the stupidest thing I've ever heard a coach say, and I hope the league steps in. He's basically making threats and there's no place for that in our game. If Jawai does anything now I hope he's prepared for the consequences.
It wasn't a dirty play, Gleeson has completely lost it there. It happened so fast I don't think there was any real malice in it. Just a really unfortunate incident.


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Anon
Two years ago
00:35 5 Nov 15

Reply #561179

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

He's just fired up defending his captain. Nothing wrong with that. I would expect a coach to react when his player gets elbowed like that.


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Wildcats views
Two years ago
00:45 5 Nov 15

Reply #561180

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I think it was definitely intentional. Call me biased, one-eyed, whatever but I'm 100% confident if Martin did the same thing to Conklin I'd feel the same way.

But Gleeson shouldn't be saying stuff like that, its unprofessional. I get it, he's heated - i was heated ive only just calmed down - but still cant be doing that. Conklin probably missing Friday night anyway.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
00:47 5 Nov 15

Reply #561181

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

If he wants to react and get fired up that's fine.
Throwing his own player under the bus over it is a different matter altogether, especially a player who is 4000km away and had no involvement in any of this. That is really messed up IMO.
How do you feel, Nate, having your own opinions pre-empted and learning that you're now a hitman rather than a basketballer.


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A
Two years ago
00:52 5 Nov 15

Reply #561184

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

That was an absolute disgrace action by Conklin, for all you naive idiots who think that he didn't mean to hit Martin(maybe not break his jaw) you are all delusional.

Beyond reckless.


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paul
Two years ago
00:56 5 Nov 15

Reply #561186

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Poor effort by Gleeson, got caught up in the moment.

Hopefully Damo's injury isn't as serious as expected, he's well overdue for some good luck.


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Dazz
Two years ago
00:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561188

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Gotta Love the Perth haters trying to turn this back on Gleeson. ROFL
What's next? You'll be claiming Damo tried to bite Conklin on the arm?

Whichever way you look at it, Cocklin just confirms his status as a grade-A dickhead. (Whether simply being a dickhead is deserving of a penalty, remains to be seen.)
For whatever reason he's not playing anywhere near his ability this season, and he shows his frustration at every opportunity.

Clearly there's no deliberate intention to do anything other than once again vent his frustration by waiving his arms around (as he does whenever he's dispossessed.) But neither can he be held completely unaccountable. They are after all HIS arms, notionally connected to his brain.
Did himself no favours in anyone's eyes by just walking away.

SMART play by the league would be to defuse this by sitting him down for the next game.


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Roy Hobbs
Two years ago
01:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561192

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I think Conklin was clearly reckless and obviously dangerous. I thought he seemed "angry" the entire Game. I can't say for sure if he meant to hit Damo, I sure as hell hope he didn't.

He has done the arm flail a few times now, perhaps it is appropriate to punish him. 1 Game, maybe 2 would work in my mind.

I sincerely hope Damo is not seriously injured, he's a legend of a guy and one of the NBL's best ambassadors. He does not deserve this.

Gleeson was quite "off the script" with his comments. We all know I love a good Wildcats bash but I'd give the man the benefit of the doubt on this one. He just saw his Captain carried off the court to the hospital. Only way I'd change my mind is if he doubled down on comments tomorrow or pre-game.

If Conklin did it deliberately then suspend him, if it was an accident I'm sure Damo would not want someone seeking vengeance. Having said that, I think a nice, legal screen may help Conklin out of his silly habits.


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Wildcats views
Two years ago
01:20 5 Nov 15

Reply #561194

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Thats a really good point Dazz, League must be worried about retaliation, especially after hearing Gleeson's comments. Sitting for a game must be a high probability.


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koberulz
Two years ago
01:23 5 Nov 15

Reply #561195

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The more I look at it, the more accidental it looks. Honestly don't think anything should come of it.


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Anononymous
Two years ago
01:35 5 Nov 15

Reply #561200

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I agree with Gleeson in that any contact above the shoulders needs to be looked into. I can't convince myself that was accidental especially with his attitude after it happened. He walked away without even turning around. That doesn't spell accidental.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
02:28 5 Nov 15

Reply #561203

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Looks completely accidental, Martin going for the steal and was wrong place wrong time. Probably done it dozens of times and probably got knocks and bruises along the way, that's what happens when you're a defensive specialist and going for steals against trapped big men.
As a big man you're always taught to chin the ball with elbows out when trapped and it's one of the risks defenders take when going for the ball. Wasn't premeditated and walked away frustrated, definitely knowing he clocked him one, but since when has Perth turned into choir boys.
Understandable Gleeson sticking up for his player, not a good idea naming where the retaliation is coming from, if Nate does do something obvious then he'll be the one they come down on, my bet is someone else will try and be the hit man. The league needs to come out and watch next game with a fine toothed comb and also issue a statement that any unnecessary roughness will not be tolerated.
This happens on most sports grounds, how many of these hypocrites cheered when Mitchell Johnson has fired in some chin music or One of their afl players give a good bump,
Anyone that watched 80s and 90s nba saw that happen on a near nightly basis. Move on soocks.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
02:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561204

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'm no Perth fan but that looked pretty intentional to me and I think his reaction afterwards left no doubt. The NBL need to take serious action here and perhaps it might be better if it came from the Crocs.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
03:22 5 Nov 15

Reply #561206

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Refs allowed crocs on cats contact to go uncalled all game, this is the result. Clearly lost control of the game.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
06:34 5 Nov 15

Reply #561208

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Was maybe intentional, maybe not. Too hard to tell. I am leaning towards it being unintentional. It's a tough one. Did he intend to knock Damo out and break his jaw? No.
Did he intend to actually elbow Damo? Possibly not.
Did he intend NOT to get his elbow out of the way being careless as to the result? Possibly yes.

In any event, the "flailing" of the arms business needs to stop. Conklin does it way too often and its ridiculous.


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LV
Two years ago
07:10 5 Nov 15

Reply #561209

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Accidental contact by a player who was frustrated and out of control. Those types of plays can lead to injuries like in this instance, but I don't believe Conklin deliberately threw the elbow in Damo's direction.

Disappointed that Damo's out though.

And Gleeson way over the top. Utterly stupid thing to say. Do you think the refs will now be watching his foul prone big man even more? Of course. They'll call every little touch from the tip off, one would expect.


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KET
Two years ago
07:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561212

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

It sort of doesn't look intention, but sort of also does look intentional a little bit.

Best answer is probably he flailed his arms around a bit too excessively. He should have checked to see if Martin was okay.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561220

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Dennis is correct

"We don't play dirty. That’s pretty ironic coming from him and Perth - they’ve got a few guys on their team that throw a lot of elbows. So perhaps he needs to look at his own backyard.".


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KingJames
Two years ago
08:10 5 Nov 15

Reply #561221

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Poor words by Gleeson trying to fire up his team.

I don't think it was intentional but it is hard to tell.

Wildcats players don't think it was intentional as you don't see anyone running over to Conklin or showing concern that it was intentional. Not saying Conklin is innocent but that's what I would have thought the players would have done if they thought it was intentional.

If you want to definitely see a dirty play watch Beal stick his foot out to trip Jett at 8:32. That should have been an unsportsmanlike foul. In the AFL you get one game suspension for intentionally tripping someone.


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KingJames
Two years ago
08:11 5 Nov 15

Reply #561222

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

8:32 in the 4th that is


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561225

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Im sure Adelaide fans are hoping Damo is seriously hurt


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:22 5 Nov 15

Reply #561226

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth played arrogant as all get up last night. Gleeson would be better off dealing with how his team failed to answer when the pressure intensified.


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KingJames
Two years ago
08:25 5 Nov 15

Reply #561228

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"Im sure Adelaide fans are hoping Damo is seriously hurt"

Not at all. We hope the best for him and want him out on the court as he is a great to watch.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:27 5 Nov 15

Reply #561230

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

This is what happens when refs don't call fouls inside the last minutes when a team is deliberately trying to stop the clock.

If you let them get away with a couple of hits, the offensive player needs to "rip" the ball and gets frustrated.

Call the first foul and none of this happens.


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
08:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561234

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Agree 100% with anon #230. Hire is to blame for this as much as Conklin.


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sagemania
Two years ago
08:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561235

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I don't think Cock was trying to injure Damo. Reckless yes, but I don't think he went out of his way to put a dent into Damos head.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
09:05 5 Nov 15

Reply #561236

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Wilson, I agree with #230 too but assigning equal blame to Hire? Cmon man!


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Kobe24
Two years ago
09:08 5 Nov 15

Reply #561237

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Trev just really dumb words.


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The_Champ33
Two years ago
09:13 5 Nov 15

Reply #561238

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Disgraceful thug of a play.
Conklin didn't even apologise or check if he was ok.
I hope the League clamps down on this one.


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Anon #230
Two years ago
09:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561240

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Don't see it as Hire's fault at all. If the refs don't call the initial foul, he has to try and foul again or the clock doesn't stop. If he doesn't keep fouling his team loses and his coach wouldn't be happy that he didn't make the play.

If refs called the game smart players wouldn't need to foul multiple times to stop the clock. This is something the NBA generally gets right but we don't here.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:21 5 Nov 15

Reply #561241

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I dot believe this to be intentional at all. From what I saw all game was poor control of the physicality from the refs. You could clearly tell that a number of players from both teams were growing progressively more frustrated with the no calls on contact at both ends of the floor. No one seems to have mentioned, but this is the second elbow to make contact during the game. If I remember correctly it may have been Beal that made contact to Djeric we he was caught in a trap on the sideline again with flailing arms trying to get the ball though uncalled contact that ended in a crocs ball from the side. As for Conklin showing no care for Martin he walked away from the contact here no different to that of the contact at the end of the 1st half clearly frustrated with the amount of contact before the whistle was blown.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
09:28 5 Nov 15

Reply #561243

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

It's nobodies fault. It was an accident. Not Conklins, not Hires, not Martin's, not the refs. Shit happens on a Basketball court. You could argue reckless but Conklin turned and caught Martin by accident.
Not smart from Gleeson saying about Jawai now the refs will be wary of that for tomorrow. Also shows Gleeson is getting caught up in this BS too and not worrying about preparing his team for the rematch.
Hope Martin is okay and not out for too long. Never like seeing injuries and I bet Conklin feels the same way.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:28 5 Nov 15

Reply #561244

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Yes refs try to get the game over with and not call fouls, even though they know the defense is trying to foul.
The defense has to foul harder and either an unsportsmanlike foul is called or the player with the ball gets frustrated and does something dumb.

Lesson. Refs - manage the game.


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indoorkite
Two years ago
09:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561245

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Gleeson's comments were ridiculous, probably in the heat of the moment but a professional coach needs more composure than that. To call out Jawai like that is silly. On the other hand, SD's comments weren't much better, if he thinks the Wildcats have dirty players, be a man and name them, I'm sure there are now a number of Wildcats who used to play under him wondering if that's what he thinks of them.


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Bear
Two years ago
09:32 5 Nov 15

Reply #561246

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Not bias here, so my opinion is going to be based on what I observed and how it looked in context to the game.

Firstly, having seen similar actions in the NBA, they always look at replays to determine severity and whether or not the incident warrants further immediate action on court, why this doesn't occur in the NBL bemuses me.

Secondly, the incident was during a pressured time in the game when the Wildcats were looking to double and trap to cause a turnover, therefore Conklin was trying to hold possession and was ripping the ball.

Martin was third man in and in a slightly awkward spot for a split second, he always tries to get a steal and plays it hard, but being the smaller man and in this situation duty of care may be on Conklin.

Now the words 'duty of care' come into consideration...

Conklin's next action appears careless and reckless, possibly not intentional, but his immediate reaction after the contact suggests it is highly probably that he didn't care to show any care or remorse for the contact.

Now, he is a tough guy and the NBL pretends the league is a tough league with all this HARDBALL stuff we are being fed, but the result of this contact and in the context of the game, the NBL must have a look at this incident and show some balls to let it be known such reckless acts are not tolerated, IMHO...


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Train
Two years ago
09:32 5 Nov 15

Reply #561247

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Does anyone know how long Damo would be out if he has a broken jaw.

Don't know why anyone is blaming Hire if you want to throw the blame around outside Conklin and the incident blame the refs. It's their job to keep the game and players in check. They allowed the game to be played hard and physical. They should of pulled the play up before the incident got to that point.



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Jumpshot
Two years ago
09:32 5 Nov 15

Reply #561248

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

For some reason, it seems like a lot of teams get into fights/aggressive plays with Perth.
Damo is one of the fairest players, and definitely does not deserve this. But Perth are well known for the aggressive elbows, shoulders, flops and dirty plays, especially Redhage.


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
09:37 5 Nov 15

Reply #561250

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Whether Conklin meant it or not is impossible to tell. However, FIBA rules ban he use of elbows in the way he used them. He can get a tech for repeated 'flailing' and that should be the case. Note that he is not alone in this behaviour in the NBL. So one in, all in.

What is clear is that Gleeson's comments were intentional. He knew he'd be asked about it and he'd had plenty of time to think about what he'd say. So he chooses to declare war on the basketball court by condemning Conklin's behaviour in one breath and then saying Perth will retaliate with the same behaviour.

So, are Dennis and the Townsville players thinking that they have to come up with a plan to disable Jawai before Jawai disables one of them? NBL has a real problem here. Gleeson needs to be disciplined - either publicly or privately.

This sort of incident shows a risk with scheduling multiple regular season games between the same opponents in short time frames. Less opportunity for players and coaches to calm down and resume thinking rationally, between games.


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36ersNayshun
Two years ago
09:37 5 Nov 15

Reply #561251

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Seems totally unintentional to me, Conklin was breaking out of a tough trap at the same time Damo was going for a steal. Almost 50% contact in either direction. Conklin walking away doesn't scream of a guy who did it intentionally either, he was just roughed up in a trap, he'd be annoyed and frustrated and walking away after the play was stopped. Probably didn't even realise the damage he'd done.

The comments from Gleeson after the game, not even veiled threats, are far more damning in my opinion. Ironic to be calling out a player for thuggery whilst at the same time saying you're going to fire up the biggest bloke in the league to go overtly aggressive on them next game. Fair play for "heat of the moment", but if that's the case you've got to apologise and defuse that situation. Otherwise it will kick off next game.

Really hope Damo is on the court again soon, great bloke and great player.


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KET
Two years ago
09:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561253

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Im sure Adelaide fans are hoping Damo is seriously hurt


Incredibly stupid and thoughtless comment. Pathetic post.


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Train
Two years ago
09:40 5 Nov 15

Reply #561254

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth are claiming the Crocs players were laughing about Damo being hit.

"That's b***shit to see your leader out there on the floor like that and then guys laughing afterwards as well. That’s crap," Perth forward Greg Hire said post-game.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/basketball/brian-conklin-elbows-damian-martin-suspected-broken-jaw-in-townsville-v-perth-nbl-clash/story-fndkzqrr-1227596762522


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:41 5 Nov 15

Reply #561255

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Jumpshot. please provide evidence to support your claims of Wildcats throwing "aggresive elbows".


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
09:44 5 Nov 15

Reply #561256

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"But Perth are well known for the aggressive elbows, shoulders, flops and dirty plays, especially Redhage."

Name one incident in recent years where a Wildcat has done that to another player. And how is flopping comparable to this sort of incident anyway?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
09:45 5 Nov 15

Reply #561257

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Is there a Chrome plug-in that can automatically change the word "ironic" to "hypocritical"?


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
09:49 5 Nov 15

Reply #561258

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Ridiculous statement saying that the Crocs were laughing about the injury. Get outta here Hire.

Looking forward to this match up tomorrow!


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
09:49 5 Nov 15

Reply #561259

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Crocs have obviously got in the Wildcats heads.


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El Presidente
Two years ago
09:51 5 Nov 15

Reply #561261

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"But Perth are well known for the aggressive elbows, shoulders, flops and dirty plays, especially Redhage."

This type of argumentum ad populum is tiring. As suggested earlier, please provide supporting evidence to this type of behaviour.


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Train
Two years ago
09:53 5 Nov 15

Reply #561262

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There's some pics of Damos face afterwards on this article. Definitely missing some teeth.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/29998601/wildcats-townsville-nbl/

I don't know much about injuries but wouldn't Damos face be a bit swollen if he had a broken jaw ?


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KingJames
Two years ago
09:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561263

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Bear "Firstly, having seen similar actions in the NBA, they always look at replays to determine severity and whether or not the incident warrants further immediate action on court, why this doesn't occur in the NBL bemuses me."

Due to the TV Coverage allocated time they don't have enough time to do these things I imagine.


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AngusH
Two years ago
10:02 5 Nov 15

Reply #561264

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Stupid comments by Gleeson over what was and entirely accidental elbow from Conklin. It happens.

I understand sticking up for your captain, but calling out an opponent and claiming he made 'the dirtiest play he'd ever seen' steps well beyond the mark. He should be fined.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:03 5 Nov 15

Reply #561265

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

'Crocs players were laughing ' actually one croc player was checking on Martin immediately to see if he was ok. Martin is respected by every player in the league, no one would laugh if he got injured.


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The TRuth
Two years ago
10:04 5 Nov 15

Reply #561266

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Wildcats coach Trevor Gleeson, who said Martin also suffered concussion, also took aim at Conklin.

"That's one of the dirtiest plays I’ve ever seen, Conklin just dropped his elbow right on his jaw and he (Martin) is going to hospital for a suspected fractured jaw and has lost a couple of teeth," he said. “It’s a dirty play without a question.”

This guy is kidding right?? Not sure Conklin had any time to react to "drop his elbow" given the speed this whole incident happened. Would be very disappointed in the NBL buys into this BS from Gleeson.

Anyone remember this play for last season? Dirtiest play I've ever seen in Basketball, ironic is was from a Perth player!

https://youtu.be/8UWTsVM0TGM


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Sixers Fan
Two years ago
10:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561268

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Purely an accident. No fault whole be given to anyone.


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AngusH
Two years ago
10:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561269

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Not only did Conklin not have time to react, he wasn't even looking at Martin when he ran into his elbow.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:11 5 Nov 15

Reply #561270

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I googled "Gleeson" and "The Onion" to see if that's where the made up quotes came from although they appear to be real...


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LV
Two years ago
10:14 5 Nov 15

Reply #561271

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The dirtiest play I can remember from last season was Childress elbow on Wagstaff.

(And I might add, some commenters were even ignorant/silly enough to defend Childress' actions on the basis that Wagstaff had set a dirty screen. It wasn’t a dirty screen, it was just a hard screen. I thought it was 50/50 but some argued it was a foul for blind siding. Either way there was nothing malicious and it was just a hard basketball screen).


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561272

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'd say he at least saw a third defender coming and was happy to fend him off. It just so happens that he did so with his arms already in the air, and the defender's face happened to be elbow height when contact was made. Its reckless.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561273

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The ironic thing about this is that this time last year Perth fans were all up in arms over the Childress vs Wagstaff incident. There are 2 common factors with both of these incidents. Firstly the Perth Wildcats and secondly poor officiating allowing Perth to man handle opposition players till there frustration boils. As long as the league continue to allow this style of play you will continue to see these types of incidents.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:20 5 Nov 15

Reply #561274

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"There are 2 common factors with both of these incidents. Firstly the Perth Wildcats"

Please elaborate more on this. Are you suggesting the Wildcats were complicit in either of those incidents?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:27 5 Nov 15

Reply #561275

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Ummmm no....that was a brainsnap spur of the moment elbow. I'm sure Conklin didn't mean to inflict that damage, he's not that type of player. But in that split second that elbow was meant to connect. Conklin didn't start, didn't have a great game and I'm sure was frustrated.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561276

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Yeah but it was against the Wildcats so players are allowed to throw head-high elbows at them, apparently.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561277

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'm saying that the Wildcats play with more aggression than any other team in the league and the officiating doesn't stop it. This inturn makes the game a lot more physical and frustrating to the players and these incidents occur. I challenge anyone to go thought all incidents over the past 5 years and tally up the 2 teams involved. No doubt Wildcats involved in more then any other team.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:33 5 Nov 15

Reply #561278

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Players don't laugh when that happens. Hire is just being a wanker.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:34 5 Nov 15

Reply #561279

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Or, the league happens to have a couple of players who have a history of throwing their arms and elbows around when things don't go their way. Trying to find reasons to blame the victim is pretty poor.


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AngusH
Two years ago
10:37 5 Nov 15

Reply #561280

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I think I've watched the replay about 50x now, and I still don't think it's reckless, just unfortunate. He was tearing his arm down after the foul before Martin was involved in the play. Martin was in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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El Presidente
Two years ago
10:38 5 Nov 15

Reply #561281

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"I'm saying that the Wildcats play with more aggression than any other team in the league and the officiating doesn't stop it"

Dude, I think you are looking for the work "intensity" rather than "aggression", and nothing stops other teams matching the perceived intensity the Wildcats play at.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
10:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561282

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Geez. Fox Sports are really trying to push the whole 'deliberate and intentional' angle judging by their latest FB post. Unfortunately, people have bit the bait.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:41 5 Nov 15

Reply #561284

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Angus, if you go throwing your arms around and make contact with someone like that, even if you're being fouled and you dont like it, thats reckless. Being fouled doesn't automatically give you the right to swing arms around but thats what Conklin does.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:47 5 Nov 15

Reply #561285

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There was no intent what so ever. Don't exaggerate as you usually do by extrapolating what YOU think you saw and making it fact. At full speed it was bodies everywhere in full flight, which always happens. It was a terrible accident nothing more.
Clearly with 3 refs on the floor Conklin wasn't reported. I agree with Boti head high incidents should be reviewed but I am sure nothing will come of it.


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Bear
Two years ago
10:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561287

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I believe the incident was unfortunate, to say the least, however if it wasn't reckless and it was in fact accidental how does Conklin's body language immediately afterwards suggest anything other than a careless attitude towards his actions?

Watching the incident, seeing it live and looking at it in context I can only come to the conclusion that while it may not have been intended at the time, it was absolutely without care and reckless...

By definition, this is the only conclusion IMO.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:51 5 Nov 15

Reply #561288

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"There was no intent what so ever. Don't exaggerate as you usually do by extrapolating what YOU think you saw and making it fact."

Who was that directed at?


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Jumpshot
Two years ago
10:51 5 Nov 15

Reply #561289

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"please provide supporting evidence to this type of behaviour. "

Redhage's and to a certain extent Perth's reputation is well known to all players and commentators in the league.

Last year a couple of fights with Adelaide and NZ, the Childress incident, all involve Perth. Too often to just be coincidental. (I'm not saying the way Childress reacted was in any way correct, but what brought on that reaction). What makes players from other teams react this way?

Whether the Damo incident was accidental or not is debatable, but for a coach to come out and announce "an eye for an eye", is another act of aggression. Proof of this culture is right there from the Coach's mouth.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:52 5 Nov 15

Reply #561290

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Without any research over the past few years incidents I can think of that have gained media attention such as this would be. NZ/Ade finals fight. Cains/perth hard intentional last year. Perth/Adelaide end of game brawl. Childress/Wagstaff incident. Melb/Syd Chair throw. You can go back to Redhage/Wortho if you want. Still one team involved in a lot of these incidents.


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AngusH
Two years ago
10:55 5 Nov 15

Reply #561291

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

SC, the reason why he was pulling his arms down in the first place is that Wagstaff fouled him trying to get the ball when he was gathering it up for a pass above his head. He wasn't flailing his arms around crazily, he was protecting the ball and bringing his arms back down.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
10:55 5 Nov 15

Reply #561292

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"Last year a couple of fights with Adelaide and NZ, the Childress incident, all involve Perth. Too often to just be coincidental. (I'm not saying the way Childress reacted was in any way correct, but what brought on that reaction). What makes players from other teams react this way?"

hahahaha you've just listed all the Perth incidents, as if that is proof of this being a Perth only thing. Try listing ALL incidents.

Remenber when Ervin kneed Goulding in the nuts, and two days later Petrie tried to give Goulding a nut punch? Was Redhage responsible for that?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561293

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

This guy was revved up all game. Unintentional?!? Lol



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El Presidente
Two years ago
11:02 5 Nov 15

Reply #561296

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Jumpshot, referring to reputation doesn't prove anything.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:05 5 Nov 15

Reply #561297

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

As long as we all agree that if any Wildcat snipes Conklin tomorrow night then its all ok because doing that to someone we perceive to be dirty is a good thing, right?


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:06 5 Nov 15

Reply #561298

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I have no idea why Hire is being blamed for this. And I don't even think it's right to blame the refs either.
The Cats were pressing at that stage of the game. Hire's D was initially just fine. Then as soon as he reached in, he was whistled for the foul. That's exactly what should have happened IMO.


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KingJames
Two years ago
11:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561301

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Supernintendo Chalmers "if you go throwing your arms around and make contact with someone like that, even if you're being fouled and you dont like it, thats reckless."

So was it reckless when Wagstaff took out Conklins legs (in the 3rd I believe it was)?


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Bear
Two years ago
11:10 5 Nov 15

Reply #561303

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The next game between these two teams I expect quite a few early calls by the officials. Whether that has any impact or whether anything happens that is deemed vengeful is all speculation, but it sure does bring this game into one of the most anticipated so far...

#TOOHARDBALL


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:13 5 Nov 15

Reply #561304

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Looking at the video at the 30 second mark, the slow-mo replay.. It is so obvious that Conklin made no attempt to avoid the contact and could almost say he went out of his way to MAKE contact.

He was one of my favorite players last year. Pretty disgusted.


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paul
Two years ago
11:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561305

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

It was a very physical game but both teams embraced that. For better and/or worse that's the way we play the game here. Blaming Perth is silly. In 2010 and 2014 when the game was called tighter they won the championship both years. They play what's in front of them.

Re Conklin on Martin, I don't think you can definitely say it was intentional or accidental. It all just happened too quickly to really know. I just hope it was accidental.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561307

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Update from the Cats:

Perth Wildcats captain Damian Martin has suffered a severe broken jaw, after being struck in the final quarter of last night's game against the Townsville Crocodiles.

Martin’s jaw is broken in two at the chin, with three teeth coming loose at the break-point.

The 31-year-old will undergo surgery upon his return to Perth in an attempt to save his teeth. Plates will be required to stabilise the jaw.

If the surgery is successful Damian Martin will miss six to eight weeks of basketball, however if there are co



http://www.wildcats.com.au/featured-news/damian-martin-breaks-jaw/


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FYI
Two years ago
11:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561308

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Calm down Charmers your relentless defence of the pillocks that form the Wildcats is vomit inducing. You well know that Redhage and Wagstaff are notorious opportunists in setting screens and off the ball play.

It's not imaginary , it's not made up you know it and everyone outside of WA knows it

Your championship winning coach is calling for retribution from Nate. Silliness from top to bottom.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:17 5 Nov 15

Reply #561309

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"So was it reckless when Wagstaff took out Conklins legs (in the 3rd I believe it was)?"

He tripped over and his hands and arms went out in front of him. Thats a pretty normal human movement when falling. Throwing your arms around to stop someone fouling you is not.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561310

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Theres a angle on fox thats shows his arms take a certain detour towrds Martos chin. They drop and go sidewards. People that play and watch basketball know Its an unnatural movement that only cheapshot artists try. This one connected perfectly.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561311

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"Calm down Charmers your relentless defence of the pillocks that form the Wildcats is vomit inducing. You well know that Redhage and Wagstaff are notorious opportunists in setting screens and off the ball play. "

I'm asking for examples. You citing reputation, or just saying "setting screens" isn't telling your story for you.


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Vodka 63
Two years ago
11:22 5 Nov 15

Reply #561313

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There goes the Wildcats season..

Damian Martin Update
Perth Wildcats captain Damian Martin has suffered a severe broken jaw, after being struck in the final quarter of last night's game against the Townsville Crocodiles.
Martin’s jaw is broken in two at the chin, with three teeth coming loose at the break-point.
The 31-year-old will undergo surgery upon his return to Perth in an attempt to save his teeth. Plates will be required to stabilise the jaw.
If the surgery is successful Damian Martin will miss six to eight weeks of basketball, however if there are complications, he will spend up to an extra four weeks on the sideline.
The Perth Wildcats face the Townsville Crocodiles for the second time in three days tomorrow night at Perth Arena.


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FYI
Two years ago
11:26 5 Nov 15

Reply #561316

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Knight shoving Kay in the back on a fast break

U'u taking out Craig on a fast break

Robbins tunneling Winder on an Ally Oop

Brown throwing punches in NZ and getting ejected

Redhage hitting Worthington in the face

Ennis punching Goulding post game

All off the top of my head and there are many many more. Stop trolling, you know your team is dirty and throws elbows.

Your coach is calling for violence.



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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561318

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Terrible news for Martin looks like season over for Perth .
If it was up to me i would upgrade the import position Beal or Prather ?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:34 5 Nov 15

Reply #561319

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I don't know the Knight incident, U'u was out of line for what he did, but bringing up Brown and Robbins - give me a break. How far back can we go with recalling dirty play?

And I'm pretty sure you have the Redhage hitting Wortho one the wrong way around!

My "sickening" defence of the Cats is matched with the ironic...er, hypocritical stance that some people take where if there is an incident where a Cat gets whacked, her deserved it, but if a Cat retaliates then he is a dirty thug.


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
11:35 5 Nov 15

Reply #561320

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

My god, between six to twelve, that's our season right there because of Conklin's elbow...


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sagemania
Two years ago
11:36 5 Nov 15

Reply #561321

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Time to say bye bye to prather and upgrade with a PG.


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FYI
Two years ago
11:38 5 Nov 15

Reply #561322

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I cant see anyone here saying that Damo deserved it. I dont think there is a decent NBL fan that would say that.

You surely understand though that people aren't sympathetic to the Wildcats after years of dirty play from them.


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El Presidente
Two years ago
11:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561324

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Why? Beal & Kenny will run the point.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
11:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561331

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

6 to 12 weeks potentially. Think Perth need to get the best Australian player available then get rid of one of the imports around that Australian players I think.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561332

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth fans have a very short memory - U'u on Craig was malicious and intentional!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:53 5 Nov 15

Reply #561333

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

So many examples given Superidiot yet you chose to ignore most of them. Yet another Perth tool defending the indefensible.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:54 5 Nov 15

Reply #561335

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth fans should be thankful this didn't happen to Knight. It would have likely ended his career.

Damo will be back.

Also, I can't see Perth winning the minor premiership now and having homecourt through the finals with 2 losses to Tville on the ledger.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:55 5 Nov 15

Reply #561336

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

No point bringing up incidents prior to this season they are clearly not relevant to last nights game


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:59 5 Nov 15

Reply #561338

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

From another perspective, couldn't see it in previous comments but can stand to be corrected, umpires in my opinion are a main reason hard fouls occur in the final minutes. Everyone in the stadium know when a team is going to intentionally foul, yet it takes a mugging before they call it. This is normally after a game when the slightest hand check gets called. I've even told refs coming out of timeouts that we're going to foul on purpose, they then let play go until someone literally tackles someone and then it's called unsportsmanlike, not making a play at the ball. At least in nba and college the refs have commonsense so when the player comes over to foul all the player has to do is touch the opposition and the whistle is blown. Too many times I've seen it in juniors here where kids are told to foul, refs let it go and then it escalates to really hard fouls and everyone loses their heads. Time for refs to use common sense and call those fouls early.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:05 5 Nov 15

Reply #561339

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

(Mod: Deleted. Don't be a dick.)


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:08 5 Nov 15

Reply #561340

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

FYI, I understand your point but what I am saying is that every time there is an incident, the reaction is the same. If Perth is the victim, it is "lets bring up other incidents or find ways that we can blame them" while ignoring or excusing what the actual aggressor did. If Perth is the aggressor, its "see, I told you they were dirty!"

I'm not denying what Perth does. I'm calling out the hypocritical fans who turn a blind eye to everything that any other player does, or only sees things with an anti-Perth agenda.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
12:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561341

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There might be some truth in that, but this incident is not the right example of it.
Refs did nothing wrong.
The initial portion of the play was neither a foul nor an attempt by a Perth player to foul, so calling a foul would have been wrong. Perth were trying to legally pressure and trap, which they did until Hire reached at the ball, got arm, and was whistled for it straight away.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
12:10 5 Nov 15

Reply #561342

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

(My post was in reply to Anon #338)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561343

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Very dumb post by FYI none of his or her examples have taken place this season we could bring up incidents for ALL teams over past 10 years but like this thread that is pointless


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Bear
Two years ago
12:27 5 Nov 15

Reply #561345

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@Luuc, I take #338's post as a general comment at similar incidents and not directly related to this one. I agree, this incident isn't a referee's no-call issue, but in general I also agree with anon's post as I see it myself all the time...


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Jackson G
Two years ago
12:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561346

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Bloody Conk


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kr
Two years ago
12:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561350

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Trying to break it down into an absolute split second in time to say it's intentional is ridiculous.

Conklin is getting mugged by a double team with no call, then as he dribbles away from the trap hire reaches in for the ball as Conklin picks the ball up to pass to his guard. Its a good hard foul by hire while Conklins arms are up for the pass.

The Elbow happens in an absolute split second as Conklin is pulling away from the foul, with Marto doing what he has made a career of looking to steal the ball when a big puts it on the floor.

Very unfortunate but in no way intentional imo.


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Roy Hobbs
Two years ago
13:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561364

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Having had time to re-watch it all I now think it was deliberate.

Conklin clenched went from an open hand and clenched his fist. I'm also pretty sure he knew Damo was there.

Those 2 things make me think it was intended.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:14 5 Nov 15

Reply #561365

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Good to see the Perth trolling continue. That why people hate perth, we never do any wrong sob sob, but everyone else does this to us. The suggestion from Gleeson that its the worst foul ever seen is ludicrous and affront to Childress' action last season. That was intent, nothing to see last night move on.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561367

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"Good to see the Perth trolling continue. That why people hate perth, we never do any wrong sob sob, but everyone else does this to us. "

No one has said that.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:24 5 Nov 15

Reply #561371

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'm a Perth fan and i would like to see Gleeson moved on i don't agree with his post match comments


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FYI
Two years ago
13:26 5 Nov 15

Reply #561374

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@anon 343 one of my examples was from the same game.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561375

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Should be the only example used but we can all voice our opinions


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
13:54 5 Nov 15

Reply #561381

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I was the only one blaming Hire, and it was really a tongue in cheek comment referring to the lead up to the elbow on Martin, how the refs allow that contact and let it get out of hand.

I was going to publicly apologise (well at least on this forum) to Hire but having read his comments about players laughing he can get stuffed. He is deluded, but I guess he's only brainwashed by his deluded coach.


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Brightside43
Two years ago
13:56 5 Nov 15

Reply #561383

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Chalmers making me remember why I stopped reading ozhoops.


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Young Violinist
Two years ago
13:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561386

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

yes he has nfi


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PlaymakerMo
Two years ago
14:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561393

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Watch the play in slow motion from 0:28 to 0:31:

1. Conklin dribbles towards the sideline, away from Hire
2. Hire makes illegal contact with Conklin's torso and right arm
3. Conklin flailed his arms to draw attention to the foul
4. Looking directly at Martin, Conklin drops the elbow towards him.

No idea whether he intended to hurt, but Conklin definitely intended to make forceful contact using his elbow. Martin was the unlucky recipient.

Stupid, thug play that sees Martin out for 6-8 weeks at best. Conklin should be suspended for a few games at least, but I doubt he will.


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paul
Two years ago
14:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561396

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

So that's what it looks like in slow motion. Only problem is it didn't happen in slow motion. I agree your scenario is possible, but I think it happened too quick to be sure.


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snooch
Two years ago
14:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561398

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

To bring up past Perth incidents is irrelevant to what happened here. Imo there was no malice involved but it could be argued it was a reckless action (even then, it happened very quickly). Whether it was deliberate, I'm not convinced and would like to think not.
Conklin probably should be cited and the process take its course.

That said, what Hire and Gleeson said post-match lacked class. Hire's accusation that opposition players were laughing over a guy being hurt is highly dubious (I'd go as far as saying it just didn't happen) and Gleeson making veiled threats of retaliation/revenge in the game on Friday is reckless and he should face sanctions for that. You can't have coaches, even in the heat of the moment (and I'd argue the post match press conference isn't even heat of the moment), making threats like that. No sporting organisation in the world would tolerate it.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
14:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561399

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I think folks should be more concerned with what Gleason had to say post match than anything else. It was a horrible result with Damo getting hurt like that, but really dont think it was more than a guy breaking free from a double team in which he was being hacked at and Martin was in the wrong place. Gleason is completely unprofessional and I guess this helps take the attention away from the fact he coached a team to a key loss to a team they shouldve beaten!


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AnonyMoose
Two years ago
14:23 5 Nov 15

Reply #561404

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Wildcats Supporters - The Collingwood fans of the NBL! So one eyed and try to justify every negative thing its hilarious. Redhage & Wagstaff ARE the top two players in the League for a cheap shot or off the ball elbow, especially after a whistle! And unfortunately Hire is turning out to be a combined mess of the two of them... Great look for kids to look up to the 'poster' WA born and bred guy of the Cats.

And that's from someone born and bred in the West. Gleeson is coming to the realisation he has zero depth, and as such he uses a situation which could of been handled far better by the coaches, to try and 'inspire' his team by throwing Nate under the bus completely with immature and ill-informed threats. Gleeson will be the first Wildcats coach to miss a finals in 30 odd years due to his inability to inspire players or that previously mentioned severe lack of depth, especially with Damo out half the season - Good luck getting a gig after that little 'accomplishment'. If Andy Stewart does well enough with the Lynx this year, its not a silly assumption to think he could actually replace

Knowing Damo personally, it really is sad as you would not meet more of a stand-up, top bloke if you tried. Zero arrogance and as a few people have said above, an amazing ambassador for the League.

6.50 for the Crocs tomorrow night you say, best be heading to a TAB at Lunch then!!


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:28 5 Nov 15

Reply #561406

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"I think folks should be more concerned with what Gleason had to say post match than anything else."

Definitely an ordinary thing to say and it does deflect away from coaching his second loss to a bottom team but I don't think its worse than an errant elbow landing on someone's chin.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561408

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Brightside43 reminding me that the reason why he stopped reading Ozhoops is because no one liked him, and told him so repeatedly.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:35 5 Nov 15

Reply #561410

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Ditto Brightside. The death of Ozhoops. The bullying continues.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:41 5 Nov 15

Reply #561413

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Guys (or same person, probably), if you want to disagree with anything I've said, feel free. Tell me why. Be specific. Thats why we are here.

But continually chiming in to tell me how much to dislike me but saying nothing else doesn't really prove anything or add to the discussion.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
14:42 5 Nov 15

Reply #561414

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Disagree Chalmers, the elbow was accidental, the result of that accident is separate. Gleason comments however were not accidental, and quite unacceptable.


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Bear
Two years ago
14:46 5 Nov 15

Reply #561415

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Just one comment on the 'slow motion' v 'real time' debate. Surely in an incident as serious as this, it takes time to clear the court and wipe the blood, so how is it not possible for the officials to call for a review of the incident and watch replays on video?

Did they do this and I missed it, or do they not have that capability in the NBL?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:46 5 Nov 15

Reply #561416

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Doing something deliberately with minor consequences doesn't overrule doing something recklessly with significant consequences.


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Really!!!
Two years ago
14:56 5 Nov 15

Reply #561419

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Yes it does.

Cause one is deliberate and one is an accident and caused by being of balance after a foul. And therefore isn't actually reckless, but rather accidental.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:02 5 Nov 15

Reply #561421

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I am surprised no one has noticed that conklin was facing the sideline with martin on his left initially, yet pivoted his body and swung threw with his right arm to KO damo. This is why it was intentional, had he simply flailed his arms and connected with the left arm, the side damo was already on, id think it was an accident. But he did not he uses his right arm which required he intentionally pivot and swing his body. Lets face it perth hating or perth bias, if you hit someone in the jaw with enough force to do that much damage you have failed in your duty to protect your felloow competitor and deserve every penalty that comes your way.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:04 5 Nov 15

Reply #561422

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There was no recklesness at all. If there was the refs would have called that. They didn't.
You can't have every chance for a slo mo replay to analyse what some people perceive after the game to be true.
The incident clearly shows at the time that it was simply a freak accident.
I am sure that if a video review does occur there will be nothing to answer for.


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Really!!!
Two years ago
15:04 5 Nov 15

Reply #561423

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

He pivoted away from the defender who was fouling him after getting pushed in that direction.

Not if its an accident you don't.


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Bear
Two years ago
15:07 5 Nov 15

Reply #561424

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

reckless
ˈrɛkləs/
adjective
adjective: reckless

1. heedless of danger or the consequences of one's actions; rash or impetuous.
"you mustn't be so reckless"
synonyms: rash, careless, thoughtless, incautious, heedless, unheeding, inattentive, hasty, overhasty, precipitate, precipitous, impetuous, impulsive, daredevil, devil-may-care, hot-headed.

deliberate
adjective
adjective: deliberate
dɪˈlɪb(ə)rət/

1. done consciously and intentionally.
"a deliberate attempt to provoke conflict"
synonyms: intentional, calculated, conscious, done on purpose, intended, planned, meant, considered, studied, knowing, wilful, wanton, purposeful, purposive, premeditated, pre-planned, thought out in advance, prearranged, preconceived, predetermined.

accidental
aksɪˈdɛnt(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: accidental

1. happening by chance, unintentionally, or unexpectedly.
"a verdict of accidental death"
synonyms: fortuitous, chance, occurring by chance/accident, adventitious, fluky, coincidental, casual, serendipitous, random, aleatory; More
unexpected, unforeseen, unanticipated, unlooked-for;
unintentional, unintended, inadvertent, involuntary, unplanned, unpremeditated, unthinking, unmeant;
unwitting, unknowing, unconscious, subconscious;
mistaken, misguided
"accidental damage"
antonyms: intentional, planned
2.
incidental; subsidiary.
"the location is accidental and contributes nothing to the poem"
synonyms: incidental, unimportant, by the way, by the by, supplementary, subsidiary, subordinate, secondary, marginal, minor, lesser, accessory, peripheral, tangential, extraneous, extrinsic, parenthetical, irrelevant, immaterial, beside the point, of little account, unnecessary, non-essential, inessential.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561426

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

accidental contact, it is a contact sport


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Bear
Two years ago
15:14 5 Nov 15

Reply #561428

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I can be swayed into believing that the incident is more accidental than it was straight out deliberate, however anyone in their right mind cannot argue that it wasn't reckless, by definition...


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:14 5 Nov 15

Reply #561429

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

If you are deliberately flailing your arms about in an aggressive manner, and accidentally make contact with someone, that is called reckless.


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snooch
Two years ago
15:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561432

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

We don't know if what Gleeson said has minor consequences yet though chalmers. He has basically incited retaliation and, if that happens, who knows the outcome. For all we know it could be worse.

It's unacceptable on a coach's behalf to behave like that.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561433

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Come on snooch, do you really think his words are going to incite violence?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561434

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

That's as deliberate as all fark. It actually wouldn't surprise if Conklin has done some martial art training in the past. Looks a part spinning elbow in frustration.

To suggest it's not deliberate is obtuseness.


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FYI
Two years ago
15:20 5 Nov 15

Reply #561435

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Chalmers please go look up the definition of "accident"

People now suggesting Conklin has failed his duty of care towards an opponent is the stupidest thing I have read on here, and there have been some jaw droppers.

If Conklin is known to recklessly flail his arms and elbows then Damo should have used his smarts and not entered the zone of flailing arms and elbows.

Jesus , Conklin was double team and fouled whilst trying to get free, Damo attacked from the blind side as he often does hoping for a steal.

The two connected and Damo got hurt.




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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:24 5 Nov 15

Reply #561437

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The whole point is that it wasn't deliberate. That's why the refs didn't get involved.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:27 5 Nov 15

Reply #561440

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"and there have been some jaw droppers"

Too soon mate


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LV
Two years ago
15:28 5 Nov 15

Reply #561441

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

FWIW, I showed the video to a mate - a basketball fan- on my lunch break. Previously I had told him about the broken jaw. When he saw the footage his immediate reaction was "Oh that was just an accident".

I also thought it was an accident.

But, I'll straddle the fence here by suggesting it was *both* reckless *and* an accident. It is reckless to swing your elbows about like that. And injuries can result – if someone is unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time like Damo was- hence this kind of recklessness should be noted and perhaps a tech or an unsportsmanlike on Conklin.

But it was accidental in the sense that he didn’t line Damo up for it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561442

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

you trying to set the new standard for jaw droppers fyi?

> People now suggesting Conklin has failed his duty of care towards an opponent is the stupidest thing I have read on here, and there have been some jaw droppers.

righto so i guess he can do whatever illegal actions he likes and if anyone gets hurt by them it is there own fault! everyone just give him a metre of space and there won't be any problems! talk about retardation!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561444

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

hey crocs use your smarts and don't enter jawai's zone of flailing elbows knees and fists on friday night. if u do the consequences are your own fault ok!


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Really!!!
Two years ago
15:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561445

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

It's not illegal to pivot because a defender has fouled you and pushed you.


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Bear
Two years ago
15:33 5 Nov 15

Reply #561446

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The Duty of Care

Anyone who has an official capacity to organise and manage sport programs and events has a duty to make such activities as safe as possible for anyone who participates. This duty is referred to, in the eyes of the law, as the "Duty of Care".

Persons in an official capacity include coaches, referees, coordinators, club administrators, grounds caretakers and owners of the sport facility.

Persons who participate include players, player supporters, spectators, coaches, referees and other officials such as time keepers and helpers.

Safe as possible means that efforts are made to:

Make checks prior to the sport activity to identify and remove hazards from the environment in which the activity takes place
Educate participants to undertake the activity safely as possible (this includes ensuring that participants know and understand the rules of the game and wearing protective clothing/equipment)
Supervise participants as they undertake sport activities particularly if they are children or have an infirmity.
Ensure that there are persons on hand who can respond appropriately to emergencies. This usually involves the provision training and the development of procedure.

The actions that sport managers and supervisors must take to make participation as safe as possible will depend, to some extent, on the participants themselves. The law tends to view that some people in society are owed a higher standard of Duty of Care as they are less able to look after themselves. This group includes children, persons with a disability, mentally ill, elderly and in some instances those who are pregnant.
Contemplation of Risks

The Duty of Care principle was established in the famous case of Donoghue and Stevenson, 1932. In the many interpretations of this and subsequent cases, it has become a generally accepted principle that anyone (or any business) that makes a product or offers a service must contemplate the safety of the users of that product or service. In effect, if there is a risk that the user of the product or service will sustain injury, illness or other harm, then the product or service should be withdrawn until the product or service is remedied.

If an individual or a business provides a product or service that they know to be unsafe, or recklessly fail to give any consideration of safety, then the individual or business runs the risk of a court action for NEGLIGENCE. Negligence occurs when there is a breach of the Duty of Care and someone is injured as a result.

See also Deaths in Sport
Performing the Duty of Care

Participation in sport is an inherently risky business and many injuries and even deaths do occur. Provided that sport managers have carried out their Duty of Care, then there is no redress for participants if they are injured in the pursuit of a normal sport activity. They can insure for this if they wish. It is only possible to take action in court if there is a breach of the Duty of Care and it is often the case that such a breach occurs when something has been missed or overlooked. For this reason, there is great pressure on all sport organisations to undertake RISK MANAGEMENT.

The following actions are typical of what needs to be undertaken by sports administrators to fulfil the Duty of Care:

Sport officials and coaches must be properly accredited
Sport facilities must be checked for safety and hazards removed prior to sport activity
Children and/or other vulnerable segments of the population should be supervised when they participate in sport activities.
Implements used in the pursuit of sport are in good working order
Sport participants are appropriately prepared for the sport activities they undertake. This includes health checks, fitness training, coaching and knowledge of rules.
Injured persons are withdrawn from participation as soon as the injury comes to light.
Behaviour that may increase the possibility of injury is discouraged and action taken against persistent perpetrators of inappropriate behaviour.

Establishing that a Duty of Care exists

If a person is injured through participation in sport or recreation and wishes to seek some form of compensation, then whether or not they succeed will depend on establishing three things:

That the person was owed a Duty of Care
That there was a breach of this Duty of Care
As a result an injury occurred


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snooch
Two years ago
15:35 5 Nov 15

Reply #561448

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

We don't know and tbh it doesn't matter whether it does or not. You can't have coaches intimating there will be some sort of retribution/revenge. It's not on, and I suspect you know that.

I agree Conklin's action could be construed as reckless and he should be cited and the the process take its course.

But that doesn't also take away from what Gleeson and, to a lesser degree Hire, said post-match.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:38 5 Nov 15

Reply #561449

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"Chalmers please go look up the definition of "accident"

Bear posted it above. Which part did I get wrong?

"If Conklin is known to recklessly flail his arms and elbows then Damo should have used his smarts and not entered the zone of flailing arms and elbows."

What? Who said anything about prior knowledge or a players reputation being relevant? By your earlier comments about the Cats reputations, that means all their opponents are at fault for stepping on the court with them and exposing themselves to their thuggery.

Sorry FYI, you started to make sense for a while but you've just lost it there.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:40 5 Nov 15

Reply #561451

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"We don't know and tbh it doesn't matter whether it does or not. You can't have coaches intimating there will be some sort of retribution/revenge. It's not on, and I suspect you know that."

I do know that. They were poor comments from the coach, no question. My point is that isn't the bigger issue here, as Kobe24 trolled us with earlier.


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KingJames
Two years ago
15:44 5 Nov 15

Reply #561452

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Was Gleeson also coach when Abney pushed Brad Hill in the back on a fast break which made him break his arm when he was playing for the Sixers?


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FYI
Two years ago
15:47 5 Nov 15

Reply #561454

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

this used to be a decent forum, then people in Perth found it.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561457

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Sorry for pointing out when you don't make sense. You're really going to leave the "Marto should have known better" crap there?


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snooch
Two years ago
15:50 5 Nov 15

Reply #561458

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

OK, I agree, it's not the bigger issue. But it also can't be dismissed..


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FYI
Two years ago
15:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561459

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Facetiousness didnt come across well I guess.

Its not the first time someone coming for a steal from the blindside has been whacked either.

I don't agree with you that Conk was deliberately flailing his arms around and being reckless. He was doubled teamed , one of your team fouled him. His arm was being held by Hire and he flung it away and connected Damo


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Really!!!
Two years ago
16:04 5 Nov 15

Reply #561463

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Agree ^


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Train
Two years ago
16:06 5 Nov 15

Reply #561465

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

At the very least the incident should be reviewed by a panel of experts to determine weather the incident was reckless, deliberate or purely accidental.

The fact of the matter is that it was a hit to the head which resulted in a players broken jaw. It is unprofessional and negligent of the NBL if the incident is not reviewed.

Everyone here has their own opinions on how it should be perceived. Unfortunately, I doubt very much if anyone here is qualified or skilled enough to make that determination. Leave it to the experts and hopefully the NBL do something about it.


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snooch
Two years ago
16:09 5 Nov 15

Reply #561468

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Was Gleeson also coach when Abney pushed Brad Hill in the back on a fast break which made him break his arm when he was playing for the Sixers?

I think it was Stacker's last season wasn't it? Could have been Gleeson's first. Not sure how that's relevant to anything though, even if Gleeson was the coach..


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:11 5 Nov 15

Reply #561469

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Yeah it sucks that this forum is inundated with Perth crap, they are so arrogant and sarcastic about everything! Its getting worse, guys like Chalmers love belittling every single post that is a bit off etc This issue has gone on so much longer than it had too due to all the bickering over utter crap.


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Train
Two years ago
16:11 5 Nov 15

Reply #561470

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

99% of Perth supporters will view it as Conklin being reckless/deliberate. 99% of Perth haters will see it as accidental or the Cats fault.

Coaches and players are always going to back their own players no matter what. People are bias. Too much hate going one here.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:14 5 Nov 15

Reply #561471

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Train im with you, so much hate. The NBL standard has improved, the forums has diminished. Maybe some Cats fans need to start their own site to pump each others tyres up over?


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Bear
Two years ago
16:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561473

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I like Perth and I like the Croc's too, I don't hate on any NBL team actually, I just don't like seeing this type of incident in the sport...


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KingJames
Two years ago
16:17 5 Nov 15

Reply #561474

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

snooch the point was Gleeson said the Martin incident was one of the dirtiest plays he has seen so I was just throwing it out there that the Abney play was another malicious and intentional play that I thought he was involved in.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561477

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

FIRE MARTY CLARKE!!!


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Train
Two years ago
16:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561478

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

#471 : Watch it, I am a Cats member too mate lol :P
You can't hate people for backing their team though and being bias to a point. That's half of what being a supporter is haha.

You saw the same thing with the Childress/Wagstaff incident.


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snooch
Two years ago
16:45 5 Nov 15

Reply #561480

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

KingJames, ah OK, sorry didn't catch on to that.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:02 5 Nov 15

Reply #561483

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The only one suggesting flailing is SC. Unfortunately after all these years he still doesn't understand the rules. At the speed it happened at it was unavoidable. There clearly was no deliberate attempt at flailing.
Now we are flailing the dead horse.
Wait to (if and when) it is ever reviewed to see who is correct..


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Dazz
Two years ago
17:23 5 Nov 15

Reply #561486

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Gees there are some total fuckwits in here.
You have to be a seriously twisted and demented individual to turn what happened to Martin (aka the subject of this thread) into a rant against Perth and Gleeson's failings as a Coach.
And for the record, when you hate Perth so much, if you believe Gleeson is a failure, and we won't make the finals (as if) then you should be happy.

Back on the subject at hand: You can have your own "opinion" of Conklin's behaviour, demeanour, attitude, etc, that's fine. You want to believe that he's a saint who's been unfairly persecuted by Perth and the refs, so be it. What is NOT subject to opinion is the fact that he broke Martin's jaw. Simple.
To even suggest that the NBL would not review an incident in which a player's jaw was broken, is beyond insane. What the result of such a review will be, or even if it becomes a formal review, remains to be seen. Ie they may well look at the video and decide there is no further case to answer, but they will certainly be watching the video.

I cannot think of a similarly severe incident to indicate precedent. (I'm sure they have happened, I just can't recall any.) I know that in the AFL (a full contact sport) the MRP is heavily swayed by the extent of the injury, but there still needs to be a finding of at least negligence.
I think what will count against Conklin is that it was his arm. When heads collide, or heads meet shoulders inadvertently, there is usually no case to answer. With arms its going to be a bit harder to avoid negligence. But as I said, we will have to wait and see.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
17:30 5 Nov 15

Reply #561490

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

There have been numerous examples over the years where a player has been pinged for a foul while being heavily defended, possibly even fouled, but was caught out by his own actions of overly-aggressive arm movements. This is no different, except no foul was called (not that that means the refs got it right) and we've seen someone get a serious injury.

If you think that it was all a fluid motion by Conklin and he had no control over himself due to the foul from Hire and the other defence, thats fine. I don't see it that way. I think he was annoyed at the double team and the foul (maybe even uncalled fouls) and when he saw a third guy coming, he chose to fend off him with the obvious unfortunate result. That is a reckless movement.


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Claydo
Two years ago
17:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561494

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I believe there was intent to make contact but definitely not to break his jaw. Conklin did warm up the elbow a couple of weeks back on Redhage's chin - although most outside of WA wouldn't have an issue with that. There is a history there unfortunately.

As for Gleeson's comments post game, he's obviously just watched the replay of the incident before entering the presser and is pretty peeved at what he perceives as a pretty ordinary act. His comments are a tad irrational but emotion clearly gets the better of him - Hire is in the same boat. Those calling for Gleeson's head need to chill, the crocs simply have their number...at least for another 24 hours.

As for all of the 'prove it that Perth are dirty etc'. Honestly, it's a pretty mute argument if you watch the game objectively. Redhage has always played on the edge and Wagstaff and Knight have followed suit during their time in Perth. Martin is hands down my favourite player in the league so I'm no Perth basher but I do despise the way Wagstaff in particular plays the game at times. His shoulder charge on Jarrod Weeks in Wollongong two weeks prior was over the line and warranted an ejection in my opinion. As for the continued flopping allegations - that's on the officials. If you punish the act, players will simply stop doing it. I hate it but it is what it is until the people who can change it do so.

All in all, the whole Conklin/Damo/Gleeson/Elbow Gate situation has been a magnet for opinion and publicity, which unfortunately for Damo is a good thing. Genuinely feeling for him as he comes across as a good egg who doesn't deserve his season cut short.

One last thing - Downtown ball has a piece up on it's site regarding the situation. Now regardless of you opinion on whether the contact was intentional/reckless/accidental, the result was horrific. Yet some moron named Jan Hague - who is clearly a crocs supporter - has posted in the comments that Martin flopped. I try not to get emotional about these things as it's only sport but for someone to suggest that Martin flopped is plain idiotic. If you wanna troll someone, troll that goose.

Loving the NBL this season - best ever to date!


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Pat
Two years ago
17:43 5 Nov 15

Reply #561499

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Suspend for as long as Damo is out. Woopp

And take back the license held by Townsville at the end of the season, oh wait...


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snooch
Two years ago
17:46 5 Nov 15

Reply #561501

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Those calling for Gleeson's head need to chill,

I'm not calling for his head by any means, but the league cannot stand for a coach insinuating he is going to send his players out looking for retaliation/revenge.
Post match press conferences are held a reasonable time after a game. Coaches and players have ample time to gather their thoughts. I've got no doubt Gleeson/Hire would have seen the condition Damo was in and responded, but that doesn't make it right.
The league has to intervene imo to send a message that you can't make comments like that.

Would your attitude change if Jawai or another Perth player comes out tomorrow night and throws a cheap shot that gets a Townsville player injured??


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
17:53 5 Nov 15

Reply #561504

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

No, because then we can claim is was in retaliation to this incident so it was deserved. /s


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:54 5 Nov 15

Reply #561506

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Any word on an apology from Conklin?


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Ricky
Two years ago
17:55 5 Nov 15

Reply #561507

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

lol

#jawforajaw

Make it happen Nate


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Claydo
Two years ago
17:55 5 Nov 15

Reply #561509

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Sorry snooch but I don't understand why my attitude would change? Gleeson and Hire's comments were clearly spoken out of emotion. If the NBL decides to sanction them then I have no issue at all with it. IT would be warranted.

Personally I'm not a big fan of Gleeson but I certainly don't think the club should sack him because he's just seen his captain laid out by - in my opinion - an intended elbow, and then asked to comment on the matter. As I said, his comments were irrational but I can guarantee you there wouldn't have been much time between leaving the court and the press conference. From working in the media myself I can attest that when an incident like Elbow Gate happens Fox will call the presser ASAP in the hope of obtaining comments like both Gleeson's and Dennis's.

It makes for good press.


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snooch
Two years ago
17:57 5 Nov 15

Reply #561511

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

By the sounds of it Conklin will be charged and a hearing tomorrow.
NBL supposedly set to make some sort of a statement, although you'd have thought they'd have said something - anything - by this stage of the day.


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Ricky
Two years ago
18:00 5 Nov 15

Reply #561512

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The fact he walked away like he just king hit someone not in his favour.

#lifetimeban #zerotolerance #alcoholthinkagain


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Train
Two years ago
18:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561518

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@Snooch - Where did you hear that ?


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snooch
Two years ago
18:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561519

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Sauces...got 'em everywhere ;)


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
18:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561520

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Marto had a bit on his lip still when he arrived at the Perth airport today.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:18 5 Nov 15

Reply #561522

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

another one

#blockconklinbehaviour


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Train
Two years ago
18:22 5 Nov 15

Reply #561524

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@snooch - Tomato or BBQ :P


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snooch
Two years ago
18:42 5 Nov 15

Reply #561536

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Press release...

The National Basketball League (NBL) has charged Townsville Crocodiles player Brian Conklin with striking Perth Wildcats player Damian Martin late in the fourth quarter during last night's Round 5 game at the Townsville Entertainment and Convention Centre.

The charges are to be heard by the NBL Tribunal with a final ruling expected prior to the Townsville Crocodiles' game in Perth tomorrow night.

The League’s highest priority is and will always be the wellbeing of its athletes. Whilst acknowledging that incidents of this nature are bound to occur from time to time in a highly competitive sporting environment, contact with the head must be avoided wherever possible.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:53 5 Nov 15

Reply #561542

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Continued:

We are expecting the final punishment to be "banned from NBL forever" and revoking the NBL MVP the previous owners accidentally gave him last year.

Regards,
NBL


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Train
Two years ago
18:54 5 Nov 15

Reply #561543

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'm happy with that action by the NBL.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:00 5 Nov 15

Reply #561547

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

#nothugs #bantheconk


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snooch
Two years ago
19:21 5 Nov 15

Reply #561563

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

The league also apparently going to investigate Gleeson's post-match comments.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:24 5 Nov 15

Reply #561564

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

No announcement on the NBL website.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:31 5 Nov 15

Reply #561569

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Don't #conkblock


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:37 5 Nov 15

Reply #561572

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Well NBL, you wanted #Hardball, now you've got it.

Created a monster much?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:39 5 Nov 15

Reply #561573

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

"And with big man Nate Jawai expected to return from injury for Friday's game, the Wildcats coach said he will be out for vengeance"
Nuff said. Crocs paying $6.05.


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Perth Wilburs
Two years ago
19:58 5 Nov 15

Reply #561581

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Conklin should get two years.


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Perth fan
Two years ago
19:59 5 Nov 15

Reply #561583

Team spirit re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Damian Martin was interviewed on 94.5fm as he was waiting for surgery this arvo. He is not angry with Conklin and says it was an unfortunate part of a tough play. He also confirmed that he had an apology from Conklin via text message today. Conklin didn't call as wasn't sure if Damo could speak on phone. Damo also reiterated that Brian is a good guy and he holds no grudge about it.

Maybe both Perth and anti-Perth fans need to take a leaf out of Damo's book and get rid of the holding grudges shite! All teams have players on their team who play hard (and dirty). I am a one-eyed Perth fan who does see the negatives of the likes of Redhage, just as much as I see the negatives of a Wortho or Goulding.
I'm extremely disappointed in Gleeson's post match comments. Wish he had taken the higher ground. It's ok to be fired up about what happened but to threaten revenge is just bullshit.

I for one hope that Damo recovers well from this, not just from a basketball but a personal point of view. To have your jaw smashed like that and the type of surgery to get plates put in is not the greatest. I hope my fellow Red Army fans take the higher ground tomorrow and support the wildcats without dealing the crap towards the crocs. In other words, don't boo Conklin! Finally big time credit to Mitch Norton. Your concern for Damo was fantastic.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:12 5 Nov 15

Reply #561586

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Extremely unprofessional post match press conference by Hire and Gleeson.

Gleeson's is borderline defamatory and calling for vengence is totally stupid.

Hire's is also borderline defamatory putting forth the idea that the Crocs players were laughing at Marto. From memory, Norton went over and checked if he was OK and other Crocs showed concern.

People work their butts off to make this league what it is - and a lot of off season work has been done. What we don't need is amateur, emotionally jacked up coaches and players coming out and saying crap which IMO makes the NBL seem as if its some kind of High school league


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561590

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Damo is all class and the ultimate professional. Massive respect to him. I think he would be the first guy angry/disappointed at what Hire/Gleeson said.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561592

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Immature comments by Gleeson. Goes to show what type of character he is when under pressure. A questionable decision maker, highlighted by his decision to rest jawai


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Dazz
Two years ago
20:23 5 Nov 15

Reply #561596

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

What I find disappointing, is that we are now 24 hours on, on the eve of what could become a grudge match and we have had no statement from the NBL. (Nothing on the website that I can see.)
Either way they should have come out with something today.


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Bake
Two years ago
21:04 5 Nov 15

Reply #561611

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I would like to ask a question, and I'm not being a troll, if Conklin plays and is injured by Jawai would there be a case for criminal prosecution for assault?

Could the action be considered premeditated given Gleason's actions?


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snooch
Two years ago
21:16 5 Nov 15

Reply #561615

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Let's just hope nothing stupid happens.
To answer the question, it would very much have to depend on the action itself I would have thought.


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LV
Two years ago
21:19 5 Nov 15

Reply #561618

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I have to say that I'm bothered by the idea that we review the injury and reason backwards to determine punishments.

Judge the action only. The after effects differ from case to case and involve a whole heap of other factors that are beyond the intent of the original offender.

In other words Judge the *play*. The penalty should be the same whether Damo has a broken jaw or whether he gets back up and continues playing. Whether Conklin gets 10 weeks or nothing, Martin's injury shouldn't be a factor


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:29 5 Nov 15

Reply #561622

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

For those that didnt watch the game.

Conglan was playing the hothead role all game. Reacting and losing his cool even after getting the foul call throughout the game.

Marto never went after the ball and was chasing his own man. Conglan with his arm swings sideways straight after the double team play the opposite way. His intention may have not been to injure but he definitely aimed to hit Marto. Ninja move tbh


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Anon
Two years ago
21:46 5 Nov 15

Reply #561632

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Really people. Hire started the whole thing with his slash across Conklin not called and all this happens in milliseconds, followed by Martin running through with Conklin turning with elbows raised to try and get out of the situation as would another player in that circumstance. If you go hard at a player and get physical and the calls aren't made or there is simply no time then at time people will get hurt. Sorry for Damo but this is incidental and as a result of the aggressive run started by Hire to stop Conklin getting a run on. End of subject, move on or Perth needs to stop this aggressive attack on court and get their own elbows down. And no I am not a Perth or Crocs fan, just a basketball fan with a non bias view.


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Wwizard
Two years ago
21:53 5 Nov 15

Reply #561637

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

i feel for martin however will say this, gleeson is angry over the treatment yet his charges do dirty stuff on the court. will never forget the stray forearm redhage gave that got nothing. only for gleeson to say he didnt see anything and he is a fair player.


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G
Two years ago
22:01 5 Nov 15

Reply #561640

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@Anon - After watching the replay at least 20 times, I can't comprehend how you see Hire's action as "aggressive". Yes he was trying to foul, but it wasn't a nasty push/shove/what have you that warrants the term aggressive.

I don't know if Conklin's actions were deliberate or not, but it was a nasty blow to the head regardless. Even in the AFL (which is a contact sport) if someone received an elbow to the face which broke their jaw, they would probably get a suspension for reckless play. Conklin didn't appear remorseful however, and didn't offer to help him up or to check on him to see if he was okay. I love watching Damo play and I don't think there's a player in the league who I respect more, so it's very disappointing for such a harsh injury to happen to him. I believe that Conklin should be suspended for at least a game (if not more) for reckless play and failing to maintain a duty of care.


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LV
Two years ago
22:07 5 Nov 15

Reply #561641

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Well as for the suspension, the NBL has dug it's own grave here.

They only gave Childress one game for his hit on Wagstaff- an insufficient penalty.

It means they cannot possibly suspend Conklin and retain any kind of consistency, because Childress' hit was much worse than what Conklin did.


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Train
Two years ago
22:08 5 Nov 15

Reply #561642

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

@Perth Fan - Could't agree with you more.


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LV
Two years ago
22:15 5 Nov 15

Reply #561643

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9gvpyO1iu8

I just can't see how the NBL can possibly suspend someone for what Conklin did. They've set the bar *so* low by only giving one game to a guy who smashed someone in mid air after having a few seconds to think about it.

Look at an incident in the AFL like this one... which is a similar incident but a less dangerous action because the victim (Swallow) was not in mid air like Wagstaff was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bsSHTL79U

Hodge got 3 weeks for that. That's how a professional league deals with this stuff. The NBL outed themselves as a bush league, backed themselves into a corner with the weak response to the Childress hit in my view. Now they've set a ridiculous precedent.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:26 5 Nov 15

Reply #561647

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Love a good Perth based thread, so many odd know its alls, and Dazz claiming others are fuckwits, classic and classy.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
22:49 5 Nov 15

Reply #561648

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

LV, of course you have to consider the effects as well. Obviously a complete accident wouldn't get any penalty, but doing something recklessly or intentionally that results in an injury is going to be considered worse than it having no effect.

Are you saying that throwing a punch and missing should be the same as throwing a punch and connecting?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:17 5 Nov 15

Reply #561652

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Both show intent. There was none.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:09 6 Nov 15

Reply #561662

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Of course if the video review finds Conklin injures 3 refs will be suspended.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:11 6 Nov 15

Reply #561663

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Martin should never have flown home immediately. To get off a plane with the mouth still bleeding should never happen.


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Dash
Two years ago
01:29 6 Nov 15

Reply #561683

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I'm sure medical advice would have cleared him to fly considering he spent the night at the Townsville hospital getting scans.

Everything Perth Fan said is spot on. I'm also a wildcats fan and agree with everything you said, especially regarding the comments made by Trevor.


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Scuba
Two years ago
06:41 6 Nov 15

Reply #561695

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Sick of the one eyed bullshit by anti-Perth supporters, let's be hones, if Conklin squared Damo up and hit him these idiots would find an explanation. My thoughts:

1. Was a filthy play by Conklin, he threw the elbow down with no other intention but to strike Damo. It happened quickly but he made that spot second decision.

2. Conklin walking away from the incident is one of the most unsportsmanlike acts I've seen in decades of being an NBL supporter, my hat goes off to Mitch Norton for going to Damo's aid.

2. Hire and Gleeson although acting under emotion, should be more professional regarding there post game comments. There really is no excuse for Gleeson's comments about Nate.





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Anononymous
Two years ago
10:11 6 Nov 15

Reply #561732

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

All Glleson sad was they'd put Nate on him and he could pick on someone his own size. There's no retaliation in that from my view. Just an off hand comment and people over react.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:13 6 Nov 15

Reply #561736

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I haven't looked at the video, was he wearing a mouthguard?


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paul
Two years ago
10:17 6 Nov 15

Reply #561741

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth Fan's post is spot on. Well said sir.


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Scuba
Two years ago
10:19 6 Nov 15

Reply #561744

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

It was his bottom jaw, mouthguard wouldn't have helped.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:20 6 Nov 15

Reply #561746

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

A properly fitted mouthguard protects the bottom teeth as well that's why I asked.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
10:45 6 Nov 15

Reply #561761

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

No mouthguard I've ever encountered would have made a meaningful difference against that particular location & severity of impact IMO.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
11:23 6 Nov 15

Reply #561780

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Perth Fan you the real MVP. Absolutely spot on.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:46 6 Nov 15

Reply #561787

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

I take no issue with anything Perth Fan said, but I think that he/she is dreaming expecting the red army not to boo Conklin.

Hello, this is a Perth basketball crowd. We will boo anything! We boo correct decisions from refs, we'll boo opponents who get fired up even if they were obviously provoked, I could go on ... the point being, it's all part of the gladiatorial experience of being in the jungle.
I'm certainly planning to boo him,
Do I think he broke Damo's jaw on purpose? No I don't. But it's still a more than sufficient excuse to anoint him public enemy #1 for the evening and create a little extra atmosphere ;)

It ain't that serious.


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Perth fan
Two years ago
17:24 6 Nov 15

Reply #561885

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Luuc, what can I say... I am a bit of a dreamer. Look I boo the opponents as much as the next person as a part of the red army. I just think that with an act of what I feel was not deliberate does not warrant the bad taste it's leaving. Damian Martin is my favourite cats player, so I'm gutted that he is in the situation he is. But if he (the one who is personally effected by the broken jaw) can move past it, so can I. If you had the pleasure of listening to him yesterday on the radio, you probably would feel the same way too. The guy places no blame or anger towards Conklin. If that's the lead out wildcats captain is giving, we in the red army should follow suit!
If on the other hand I see dirty play tonite in either team, I'll call it for what it is and react accordingly. That is make comments and the odd boo both for and against my wildcats. Yes I'm a one-eyed fan, but like I said on previous post, I see the good and bad in the wildcats. Maybe it's time some others do to, not only in regards to the wildcats but their own teams too!


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Perth fan
Two years ago
17:44 6 Nov 15

Reply #561900

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

This backs up my point on Damo

https://www.facebook.com/wildcats/videos/10153753886944314/


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Luuuc
Two years ago
17:52 6 Nov 15

Reply #561906

re: Damian Martin suspected broken jaw and concussion

Nice video from Damo.

I'm still booing Conklin though! :p


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