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Wildcats views
Two years ago

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R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The games only hours away and no post!

It should be another good one between these two teams. They're polar opposites - Hawks run and gun with poor defense, The Wildcats have a super defense but a spluttering offense - Styles make fights they say.


Here's my preview to the week ahead for the Wildcats
http://wildcatsviews.com/2015/11/10/perth-wildcats-face-tough-week/

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Matthew
Two years ago
14:31 11 Nov 15

Reply #563366

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I miss Jack Toft.

when are they holding his Funeral?


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cats 4 life
Two years ago
14:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563370

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Contain the perimeter and should be close enough to get the w.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
15:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563400

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Ogilvy v Jawai will be a mouth-watering matchup.


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Pat
Two years ago
15:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563401

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

As much as I like Jawai, everytime he has the ball I think he is gonna turn it over, but he suprises me more often than not.

A few more games of owning opposition front courts should get me used to it.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
16:01 11 Nov 15

Reply #563410

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hawks at home just...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563456

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Perth is short handed. I cant see them wining this one. Don't get me wrong, they are the better team, but the Hawks being fired up for pay back and Perth shorthanded is a bad combination for perth...


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koberulz
Two years ago
17:52 11 Nov 15

Reply #563457

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Contain the perimeter and should be close enough to get the w.
Luckily, we have the best perimeter defender in the league.

Oh, wait...


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LV
Two years ago
18:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563460

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

On paper Illawarra at home vs Perth without Martin is an easy tip.

But- Perth were phenomenal last time they visited Wollongong, undermanned with 106 points and a strong win. And then they destroyed Illawarra in a dominant performance in the return bout.

So that all adds an element of intrigue here.

Hawks *must* rebound better than they did the last two matchups.


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
18:25 11 Nov 15

Reply #563468

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Pat - I think you can relax a bit. In turnovers per game Jawai ranks 20th in the league. Ogilvy - his opponent tonight - ranks 3rd in the league for that stat.

BTW, Jawai is the only non-guard in the top 10 for assists per game, other than Childress, who has only played 1 game. Jawai has 3 per game. Not bad for a centre spending half of every game on the bench!


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Pat
Two years ago
18:30 11 Nov 15

Reply #563474

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I must admit, I loved that Black Tornado spin move on the baseline to free himself for the slam on the Crocs at Perth.


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Maxymoo
Two years ago
18:39 11 Nov 15

Reply #563479

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

As much as I love my Cats ...I think Be o will be better prepared this time.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563488

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I think the commentator is a little bit special...


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Pat
Two years ago
19:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563489

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Did I just hear him say Jeremy Beal?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:11 11 Nov 15

Reply #563491

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

How perth are not up by more is a mystery. They are tottaly dominating this game


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:12 11 Nov 15

Reply #563492

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jawai has the passing ability of LeBron


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:14 11 Nov 15

Reply #563493

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Penny is on. Bad signs for perth


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AussiePride
Two years ago
19:15 11 Nov 15

Reply #563494

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The fitter that Jawai gets the more influence he is having on the game! He could have be the difference for Perth's chances at the end of the season if he continues to get into shape.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:16 11 Nov 15

Reply #563495

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

A fit Damo and Jawai makes Perth faveriots but that is easier said then done


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:17 11 Nov 15

Reply #563496

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Fave riots?


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
19:18 11 Nov 15

Reply #563497

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

A full court press results in an open 3...

The most stupid strategy in basketball.

No wonder it is never used in the NBA


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:20 11 Nov 15

Reply #563498

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

flophage


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:21 11 Nov 15

Reply #563500

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jesse from way down town!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:22 11 Nov 15

Reply #563501

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Wow the hawks are shooting lights outy


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
19:22 11 Nov 15

Reply #563502

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I am telling you all now, i reckon the rims in the league are incredibly soft allowing for higher scores.


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Pat
Two years ago
19:23 11 Nov 15

Reply #563503

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Mmmmm, those A League crowds..


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AussiePride
Two years ago
19:24 11 Nov 15

Reply #563504

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

^Except for the rims in Perth where if it is not all net it is not in.


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Indoorkite
Two years ago
19:24 11 Nov 15

Reply #563505

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Nbl Twitter account posts highlight of Jawais goaltending....."Jawai almost with the block" why not put up highlights of bricks "almost a three"


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:26 11 Nov 15

Reply #563506

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I don't care what anyone says, I want Ellis at the Wildcats next year.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:27 11 Nov 15

Reply #563508

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Can't stop Ellis? Really Perth??


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:30 11 Nov 15

Reply #563509

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Anytime Penny misses it's a shock


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:34 11 Nov 15

Reply #563510

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

soft league


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:34 11 Nov 15

Reply #563511

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jawai really doesnt use his fouls well for someone so valuable to his teams success.


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Pat
Two years ago
19:34 11 Nov 15

Reply #563512

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Now he's Jerryd Beal


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Pat
Two years ago
19:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563513

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Then Heal calls him Jeremy..


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:36 11 Nov 15

Reply #563514

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Come to terms with it pat. The commentary teams are bound to make some errors... sadly.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:39 11 Nov 15

Reply #563515

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch... I liked these shenanigans a lot more when you were a Wildcat


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AussiePride
Two years ago
19:39 11 Nov 15

Reply #563516

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Looks and sounds like a good crowd. Worry of no one turning up mid week is slowly drifting away.


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Pat
Two years ago
19:40 11 Nov 15

Reply #563518

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

What kind of call was that on Knight


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:40 11 Nov 15

Reply #563519

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Dafuq was that call against Knight about?


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Me
Two years ago
19:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563520

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

What did jawai do to get a unsportsmanlike?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563521

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Come back Lisch


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563522

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hey Pat, hopefully you can deal with this without doing anything rash.


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TBag
Two years ago
19:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563523

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Apparently pulling a shirt is an automatic unsportsmanlike


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Pat
Two years ago
19:42 11 Nov 15

Reply #563524

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I'm was about to find out where Heal lives, then you guys saved him.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:42 11 Nov 15

Reply #563525

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Fair enough too. Soft in a way because there wasn't much in it, but it was not remotely a play at the ball, so I like that as an unsportsmanlike.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:42 11 Nov 15

Reply #563526

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Another home town reffing garbage


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563527

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Cats dont have the scoring power to go with Hawks when they play like this.


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TBag
Two years ago
19:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563528

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The lack of reaction from Jawai suggests he was aware of the rule too.


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Indoorkite
Two years ago
19:44 11 Nov 15

Reply #563529

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Wildcats are good at defending that baseline cut


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563530

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It's as much the d as the lack of scoring power. We're giving up a lot of easy ones.
Hawks looking great tonight.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:48 11 Nov 15

Reply #563531

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Considering Hawks have dominated the half, 6 points is pretty good effort by the Cats


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:49 11 Nov 15

Reply #563532

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Make that 8


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:51 11 Nov 15

Reply #563534

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hawks only dominated the second quarter and 8 point buffer is pretty handy in a potentially tight contest. Hawks fans would be happy with this.


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
19:52 11 Nov 15

Reply #563535

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The defenses in this league is overall very very poor...alot has to do with the officiating...


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Indoorkite
Two years ago
19:52 11 Nov 15

Reply #563536

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

How much better are games without the pointless crosses to Dan Ewing and "his boi" or "main man"


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:54 11 Nov 15

Reply #563537

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Agreed indoor


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:57 11 Nov 15

Reply #563538

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Melbourne is starting to get like Sydney with the C grade celebrities going to be scene and I don't like it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:02 11 Nov 15

Reply #563540

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Its all part of hyping the league. Comes across corny but league has to try these things. Dan Ewing isnt the hardest face to look at and it all about trying to appear in the times etc


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:05 11 Nov 15

Reply #563543

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Prather is so average


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:07 11 Nov 15

Reply #563544

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Ogilvy instigated that contact

Bloody hell


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TBag
Two years ago
20:08 11 Nov 15

Reply #563545

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Massive flop


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
20:09 11 Nov 15

Reply #563546

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

LOL, how was that and 1 for Lisch? LOLOL

FUCK THIS LEAGUE IS FUCKING JOKE


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:10 11 Nov 15

Reply #563547

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Great to see Pert potentially lose again. The League is so much better for it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:10 11 Nov 15

Reply #563548

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Did I just hear what I thought I heard?

"It's a flop free league in the NBL."


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:12 11 Nov 15

Reply #563549

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Annnnd here come the cats forum warriors complaining on every call and 'lol-ing' in how bad the league is. Hawks look great tonight they were ready the Cats.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:12 11 Nov 15

Reply #563550

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I'd argue that Kenny is more of a shooting guard than a point guard


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:14 11 Nov 15

Reply #563551

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hire loves that spot in Illawara


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:14 11 Nov 15

Reply #563552

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Definitely a PG with a pass-first mentality


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Wildcats80
Two years ago
20:15 11 Nov 15

Reply #563553

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Well done an on, if you take pleasure seeing wildcats lose then I'm sure you haven't had much pleasure over the years


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:15 11 Nov 15

Reply #563554

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Yeah but Luuc he can't really drive and make a pass yet he's probably the Cats best shooter from three funnily enough


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:16 11 Nov 15

Reply #563555

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Time to move jawai on. Not fit, can't play defence and unless he is dunking the ball he simply can not finish around the basket. Clubs are putting him in pick and roll action and blowing straight past him or pulling up for an uncontested jump shot.

I feel for the other 4 players on the court scrambling on defence trying to cover for him.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:18 11 Nov 15

Reply #563556

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Gaze: "Hire was tagged-team from behind"


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:19 11 Nov 15

Reply #563557

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

He's a solid shooter but the Hawks have been leaving him wide open. As Bevo said in the timeout, disrespecting him. Prather is the player they should be daring to shoot, not Kenny.
You're right that he's not really a drive and dish type, but not all PGs are.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:21 11 Nov 15

Reply #563559

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I actually find there are more fans that dislike the cats fans more than the team. Its a bit of an odd one but they really are the collingwood of the NBL.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:21 11 Nov 15

Reply #563560

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Cats are gonna get smashed by NZ


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
20:21 11 Nov 15

Reply #563562

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I have no doubt in my mind that players bet on the games they play in...no doubt in my mind


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:23 11 Nov 15

Reply #563563

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

No you dont move on from Jawai you learn how to change your style of play to accomodate his strengths and cover his weaknesses.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:25 11 Nov 15

Reply #563564

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis has improved out of sight


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:26 11 Nov 15

Reply #563566

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Is that anon implying the cats are throwing the game? Because they are betting against themselves? In a 1.91 a peice bettng ratio. Such silly humans have access to the Internet.


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snooch
Two years ago
20:27 11 Nov 15

Reply #563567

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jawai's weaknesses seem to far outweigh his strengths


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:28 11 Nov 15

Reply #563568

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Prather puts up the weakest shots


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:28 11 Nov 15

Reply #563569

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Someone tell this guy that not every hesitation move is a "Euro step"


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:29 11 Nov 15

Reply #563570

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

In this game on this night perhaps but people just make the silliest most dramatic statements possible.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:29 11 Nov 15

Reply #563571

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Dem ankles


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:30 11 Nov 15

Reply #563572

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Broken ankles
WOW


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:31 11 Nov 15

Reply #563574

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Change your style to accomodate his strengths?? Which are what exactly? Dunking and ..........

It's no secret you put in the hard work and the results will take care of them selves, look what matt knight has done to his career by getting his body right and being fit.
I've never heard someone request a team change their style of play to suit 1 out of shape unfit player.. I'm a wildcats fan but With comments like that I think I'm starting to see why every other teams fans can't stand us.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:31 11 Nov 15

Reply #563575

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis >>>> Jawai


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563576

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Reffing is atrocious.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563577

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch awoke alpha dog Beal


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snooch
Two years ago
20:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563578

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I have no doubt in my mind that players bet on the games they play in...no doubt in my mind


Referees too...


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563579

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Beal plays better with broken ankles


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:32 11 Nov 15

Reply #563580

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

MOst 145+Kg players are better than Jawai in the NBL. @$250K plus he should be charged with fraud.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563581

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

here comes the wildcats


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563582

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Fantastic call on the flop. Credit where credit is due.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563583

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis has a high centre of gravity

That was not a flop!


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563584

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Kudos to the refs for that flop call


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Indoorkite
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563585

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

YES! Precedent set, now let's see if they keep calling them.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563586

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Ahh relax about the reffing you guys will be sming if you win.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:33 11 Nov 15

Reply #563587

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Love the Perth pholinators. Finely there is a DOG and she's great.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:34 11 Nov 15

Reply #563588

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Beal is unleashing his final form!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563589

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

HOw did Beal make that shot with brokn ankles. Amazing. Go the phlopinators I say.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563590

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Prather taking 3's should be a no, no!


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AussiePride
Two years ago
20:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563591

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Beal completely unconscious out there!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:36 11 Nov 15

Reply #563592

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Beal man on a mission


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:38 11 Nov 15

Reply #563593

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hire all over the back and no call. Coenraad is a solid man too..was a solid hit.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:38 11 Nov 15

Reply #563594

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

MACDUB all you do is whinge about perth. put a sock in it


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:39 11 Nov 15

Reply #563595

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

No don't take Jervis out!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:39 11 Nov 15

Reply #563596

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Another very close game this season

#ExcitingNBL


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
20:40 11 Nov 15

Reply #563597

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Yeah... if refs could just err on the side of 'block' over 'charge' that would be great. I mean, it's an ugly play to watch and if refs call more blocks than charges it sets a tone and players will stop putting their bodies on the line


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:40 11 Nov 15

Reply #563598

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

For this perth to be doing this without Martin is amazing


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563599

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jawai was always going to be a problem. Perth were foolish enough to fall for it. Smarter people would have known


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:41 11 Nov 15

Reply #563600

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

DO you know how to pass Prather???


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snooch
Two years ago
20:42 11 Nov 15

Reply #563601

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

LOL Jawai...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563602

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Prather camping on the three point line is the funniest joke I've heard all week


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Indoorkite
Two years ago
20:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563603

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch doing his best Goulding impression


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:44 11 Nov 15

Reply #563604

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Wow I saw that charge and I knew where Lish learnt it. Redfloppage. Refs got that one right.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:44 11 Nov 15

Reply #563606

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Anon, how so? I said reffing was atrocious..never referred to a specific team. Its bad on both ends

Regardless of what team you follow its hard not to like the calling of that flop tech. I don't mind Perth. If Webster flopped like that i'd say it was a great call too.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:44 11 Nov 15

Reply #563607

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

A week ago cats fans were all over his nuts. Just dumb dribble


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563608

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

beal is not human


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563609

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Looking forward to fstos telling us again what a shit import Beal is


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563610

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

MVBEAL


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563611

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I know Luuc I stained him in Ozhoops for that!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:46 11 Nov 15

Reply #563612

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Perth went beast mode in the 4th.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:46 11 Nov 15

Reply #563613

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jawai give all your salary to Jermain


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:47 11 Nov 15

Reply #563614

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

#WildcatHeart


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:48 11 Nov 15

Reply #563615

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Good W to the Cats. Well deserved. Beal best import I have seen play with 2 broken ankles. Can't wait for the cutting up of that tape on a loop.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:48 11 Nov 15

Reply #563616

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It is mind boggoling how this team lost to the Crocs twice


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:48 11 Nov 15

Reply #563617

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis was instrumental in that win. Great stuff off the bench


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:48 11 Nov 15

Reply #563618

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

In hindsight Lischs' crossover was very bad news for the Hawks. It sure woke Beal up.

If Beal was that aggressive every game, he'd be MVP of this league IMO.

Hawks' bench is a major problem. Perths' better depth showed through.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 15

Reply #563619

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Yeah i hate perh with a passion but where is fstos at with that shit that was being said last week. Beal is there best player and its not even close. Is the league still a fucking joke btw anon or you all ok now??


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 15

Reply #563620

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Yet another blow out game ;)


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
20:49 11 Nov 15

Reply #563621

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Warren. Warren... stop Warren. The game is not over m888


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:50 11 Nov 15

Reply #563622

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Perth gets Damo right this team ill be frightning


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:51 11 Nov 15

Reply #563624

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Oh no, Heal please don't bring that "score the ball" crap to NBL commentary.
Pet peeve


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:52 11 Nov 15

Reply #563625

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I dont think its that crazy the crocs beat them twice. And i dont think its that crazy they have doninated the Hawks, who should be ashamed of themselves... teams always match up differently. What keeps the league interesting.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:53 11 Nov 15

Reply #563626

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis deserves to start over Jawai who is getting minutes on reputation only at the moment.


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
20:54 11 Nov 15

Reply #563627

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch lost his mind there with that final three-point shot. Get it through hands! Maybe the moment got to him.

I'd probably say NZ and Perth are (again) championship favourites


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:55 11 Nov 15

Reply #563629

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Such a luxury that Perth can have a C rotation of Jawai and Jervis.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:55 11 Nov 15

Reply #563630

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch got his ass handed to him by Beal after showboating.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:58 11 Nov 15

Reply #563631

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Lisch was awesome and I fully expected that last 3 to go down. With certain players I don't think that's a bad shot.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:58 11 Nov 15

Reply #563632

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Beal just emphatically answered the Beal or Lisch question.

Dollar Dollar Beal y'all!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:02 11 Nov 15

Reply #563633

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It was never a question to begin with!


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Wildcat
Two years ago
21:02 11 Nov 15

Reply #563634

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Well coached Gleeson, great team play the wildcats.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563635

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Sack Gleeson?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563636

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

'It was never a question to begin with!'

It has been with Cats fans.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
21:04 11 Nov 15

Reply #563638

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis deserves an opportunity to start. Wouldn't mind him as starting Centre next to Knight next season. Great shotblocker


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:05 11 Nov 15

Reply #563639

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I wonder what Bevo will write on Facebook tonight??


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:06 11 Nov 15

Reply #563640

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Agreed Callisto, he is starter quality now.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:07 11 Nov 15

Reply #563641

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hawks need Martin back and a second import 4/5 asap


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:09 11 Nov 15

Reply #563642

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Prather has nothing but tunnel vision when he drives.

A few times it was a 2 on 1 and threw up a contested shot at the rim.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:10 11 Nov 15

Reply #563643

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Can't believe Cats shot 50% from three and hit 12 of them


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
21:17 11 Nov 15

Reply #563645

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Said from the start Illawarra should've gone for a second import instead of Ellis. Even if a budget import like Montreal or just a rebounder would help.

Think Bevo needs to try Davidson next to Ogilvy at times, Davidson can shoot - Davidson has been rubbish this year though.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
21:17 11 Nov 15

Reply #563646

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Demos showed his zero point value by taking out Beals legs when he had no chance at getting the ball.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:23 11 Nov 15

Reply #563647

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Far more positive comments to be aid than gutter mongering as usual.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:31 11 Nov 15

Reply #563648

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Could see Hawks getting garret Jackson when hakim warrick comes back


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Marcus Camby
Two years ago
21:45 11 Nov 15

Reply #563650

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Good win by the Cats.

Why can't they do that against the Crocs?


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Luuuc
Two years ago
21:52 11 Nov 15

Reply #563651

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Cats best & worst is poles apart. It's no surprise to me that Bad Cats lost to the Crocs. Too many minutes of Bad Cats probably should have cost us the game tonight but we were bailed out by a pretty special 4th quarter.

We're still not using Jawai & Knight well enough.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:57 11 Nov 15

Reply #563652

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Just way to much depth even without a guy lke Damo. However if the play like what they did in the second and 3rd I NZ there wont be any comebacks. If they play like they did in the 4th, they will make it a even money game


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:59 11 Nov 15

Reply #563653

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Corbin Wroe's three was the difference in the end.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:08 11 Nov 15

Reply #563656

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Missed the game, but by reading through this the Cats were awesome then they were crap and then the refs were horrible and the league was an embarrassment then Jawai should be but then the cats were awesome and everything was ok with the universe!


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Luuuc
Two years ago
22:16 11 Nov 15

Reply #563657

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I actually thought the refs were as good that game as they've been all season. Certainly some excellent tweaks compared to the last round.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:24 11 Nov 15

Reply #563658

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Gleeson needs to tell Beal go out there and just be free. When he gets going he might be the best scorer in the league .


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:35 11 Nov 15

Reply #563659

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Bloody hell some of you cats fans get carried away over a quarter or two. Beal for MVP! Jervis for All Star 5! Fire Jawai! Secure Gleeson until 2023!


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paul
Two years ago
22:36 11 Nov 15

Reply #563660

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

He's a burst scorer, and an awesome one at that, but not a guy who can produce that in spurts. It's almost like he has an epiphany that lasts for a few minutes and he nails a few daggers in that space.

Both he and Lisch were awesome tonight, I think the answer to that question is neither, they are both super players in their own way.


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Isaac
Two years ago
22:37 11 Nov 15

Reply #563661

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I think Bevo too often runs a second unit with little firepower - there were patches tonight of moving the ball around but without seeming to have a goal. Why would you have Penney or Lisch both sitting at the same time when they can make things happen? Demos and White is certainly looking like doubling up with Rhys out - why have them on together, and add Davidson who no longer looks for a shot?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563663

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Gee whiz beal was special in that final term and so was Jervis. Prather is very good at playing the passing lanes pity we haven't seen him and marto share the court together much yet but if they do watch out!


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Wildcats views
Two years ago
23:43 11 Nov 15

Reply #563668

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Here's my recap http://wildcatsviews.com/2015/11/11/perth-wildcats-stun-the-hawks-again/


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Train
Two years ago
01:40 12 Nov 15

Reply #563671

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Dunno what was sweeter, the win or the egg on the face for all the haters talking smack ;)

Also I applaude the refs for calling the flop on Jervis, not calling the charges when players flopped and for tagging Jawai for the USM for pulling at jerseys. First steps to cleaning up the NBL. Hope it continues.


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koberulz
Two years ago
04:04 12 Nov 15

Reply #563672

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I didn't think the Jervis flop call was a particularly good one, TBH. I thought he got hit in exactly the right spot to knock him off balance. If he'd taken the same hit to the chest, sure.


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Bear
Two years ago
06:56 12 Nov 15

Reply #563675

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

For me, I think without that injection of intensity and scoring off the bench that Jarrad Weeks provided for the Hawks they just couldn't seem to cover his loss...

How quickly we forget!


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MACDUB
Two years ago
07:08 12 Nov 15

Reply #563676

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I'm also not confident that the Hawks unit are that fit.

They give a lot of their main players extended breaks, but they still find a way to run out of puff in the last few minutes. Not really just physical fatigue but also mental

9 games played - they've been outscored in the 4th in 7 of those games and have tied one game in 4th quarter scoring.


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Bear
Two years ago
07:14 12 Nov 15

Reply #563678

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Also, I have mentioned Davidson before, he has been a veteran and obviously done lots in his career, but he is passed it and it is time for a younger player to back up Ogilvy on that roster IMHO...


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MACDUB
Two years ago
07:53 12 Nov 15

Reply #563681

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

koberulz, certainly a flop IMO.

You could tell he wanted to take a charge and he was hoping Penney would try take him on the sideline. He had in his mind 'i'm going to hit the deck here because i reckon he"ll come straight at me' - when he didn't it was an obvious flop/falling to the ground.

Jervis knew it was a flop as well. Got straight back up and huddled with the Perth players.


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paul
Two years ago
08:07 12 Nov 15

Reply #563682

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It's an interesting one, because there was contact and that level of contact is regularly called a charge in the NBL.

I'd have no problem with that tech if the charge/block was called properly in the NBL and 'plankers' who anchor their feet and let the contact take them backwards weren't regularly rewarded. But they are, so I think Jervis was harshly done by.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:12 12 Nov 15

Reply #563687

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Hawks just need to pull the trigger and bring in a decent import for extra scoring power down low. They are to predictable in their approach at moment and come fourth your tired and your shots dont fall. Hence they are struggling in the fourth. This team wont win fonals games as is. Martin is not the answer.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
09:26 12 Nov 15

Reply #563690

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

paul, couldn't disagree more. That level of contact is not generally a charge.

Again, you are looking at the result. Seeing a big man go down and presuming that the contact is the same as contact which is regularly called a charge.

It's not the contact which is the same, it's the result.

And the fact that the result is the same as other charges means absolutely nothing.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
09:28 12 Nov 15

Reply #563691

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I've got no problems with the Jervis flop call. I have a problem with no warning being given to Lisch a few minutes later.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:34 12 Nov 15

Reply #563693

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Pulling a shirt is unsportsman like. Apperent blocking calls get flop calls but a statue of liberty fall from lish is ok.

NBL REFS keep raising the bar


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:37 12 Nov 15

Reply #563694

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

If the referee calls a foul he cant call a flop warning. That is the interpretation.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:44 12 Nov 15

Reply #563696

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Jervis got a hand in the chest. I don't think he flopped so badly to deserve a tech. Should've just been play on


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
09:56 12 Nov 15

Reply #563698

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

#694 is that true? That doesn't make sense. You can be guilty of committing a foul AND flopping in the same play. The refs can also be guilty of getting both wrong on the same play which is the exact reason why players continue to flop.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:01 12 Nov 15

Reply #563700

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Anon 694, if a flop is deemed a technical, then cant it be called any time during a game?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:17 12 Nov 15

Reply #563702

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The FIBA directive is if you call a foul you cannot call a flop. I dont make the rules just telling you what the directive and interpretation is.


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paul
Two years ago
10:42 12 Nov 15

Reply #563707

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

"paul, couldn't disagree more."

Right back at you. Look at Wagstaff defending Conklin in the post the previous week, or Goulding defending Webster. Similar contact from Ogilvy on Knight sent Matty flying earlier in last night's game but he wasn't warned for a flop.

I could find hundreds of examples in the NBL where players get contact, plank and fall backwards and get a call, or at the least aren't warned.

Until they fix how they call the charge/block I think only Patty Mills/Mick Penisi level flops should be getting techs, otherwise you're adding another level of impact from the refs' inconsistency.


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FYI
Two years ago
10:55 12 Nov 15

Reply #563712

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

^ +1


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Luuuc
Two years ago
10:57 12 Nov 15

Reply #563713

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It was a flop.
Whether you want to call it a flopping tech or just leave it unwhistled is debatable. Ultimately in the long term, just calling nothing is probably fine, but in this current climate of trying to improve the game, I like that being called a flop. There's no way that contact should have forced Jervis to the floor.
Good call, refs.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
10:59 12 Nov 15

Reply #563714

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

... and as far as precedent goes, in terms of what has been called in the past - who cares. That's missing the point, which is that we are trying to make the game the ideal standard, not trying to replicate the problems of the past.


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paul
Two years ago
11:13 12 Nov 15

Reply #563720

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It's not about that past, it's about what's happening now. Similar contact in the same game/round is being called a charge, block and flop. It's ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

If the refs can't get the charge/block right, which as a whole they're a mile off at the moment, they shouldn't have the added responsibility of governing flops.

I'm all for getting rid of what Jervis did last night, but you won't achieve that with flopping techs while you're still rewarding it with charges.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:13 12 Nov 15

Reply #563721

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Right, so stop rewarding charges then.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:14 12 Nov 15

Reply #563722

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

* rewarding WITH charges


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paul
Two years ago
11:18 12 Nov 15

Reply #563725

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I'm with you 100% on that one! For mine, you only call certain charges, and then review flops by video during the week.

Public naming and shaming will deal with this a lot quicker than the occasional tech, and so will players being left on their backsides with their team a defender short. You don't see many guys planking in Europe because they don't get the call.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:22 12 Nov 15

Reply #563726

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

OK look, I agree that policing flops should not be the sole responsibility of the refs. It's a big ask for them to judge that in the heat of the moment, and a post-game review system is going to be more reliable.

But that said, if a ref sees one that they are sure of, and they call it, then I applaud that too. Because penalties during a game are more meaningful than a fine during the week, and are more likely to result in a change of behaviour IMO. A fine 2 days later doesn't stop the Wildcats flopping their way through the 4th quarter trying to get calls, but that tech did.

So I'm just saying credit where it's due to that ref. I'm not suggesting that's the only way it can/should be dealt with though.


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paul
Two years ago
11:28 12 Nov 15

Reply #563727

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It was a correct call, no doubt, but like I said it's pointless while similar acts get a charge, the reward is there to still do it.

As you said, stop calling soft charges and the problem largely goes away as there is no incentive.

I also reckon with NBL social media as strong as it is, players being called out midweek for their charges would be quite a disincentive.


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Rag
Two years ago
11:28 12 Nov 15

Reply #563728

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Paul your quite public that the Nbl refs don't call charges correctly
What happens in the Nbl lots is offensive players drive at the Defense & lean in causing contact
They start to dislodge the defender & then the defenders are not so strong so they fall back, giving the contact plenty of "sauce"

If the ball handler CAUSES the contact down the middle & dislodges the defender shouldn't this still be called a charge even though the defender protects themselves by falling?

I agree that situations like Goulding defending Webster last week is a flop because he went backwards by about six steps for slight contact but it seems like you want no charge fouls in the game

I think the good Refs can call them when deserved


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:31 12 Nov 15

Reply #563729

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Sorry anon with the FIBA rules, wasn't saying you were incorrect. Just saying that the interpretation doesn't do much to solve the problem. I actually think it adds to it.


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paul
Two years ago
12:06 12 Nov 15

Reply #563737

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I disagree Rag, I think charges are called too often in Australia (not just the NBL) when the defender isn't displaced, rather they take contact at the spot and let it take them to ground,and also when the defender has established legal guarding position.

If you watch the NBA or European basketball, once the defender is beaten they tend to open their stance and defend alongside the ball-handler, relying on help defence behind them.

In the NBL defenders are far more happy to create contact in that situation knowing there is a good chance they'll get a charge call.

The same goes for elevating players. In the NBL a defender who steps in after the offensive player has elevated will rarely be called for a block, they'll usually get a charge or no call. In the NBA and Europe the elevating player is better protected.

The two factors mentioned above - along with how blocked shots are whistled - encourages a more athletic game in Europe and the USA, whereas in Australia the safest defensive play is to get contact on the ground, and the smart offensive play is not to elevate at the basket.


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Vic Wildcat
Two years ago
12:19 12 Nov 15

Reply #563743

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Just my thoughts on the chargeflop. It's either a charge or nothing. If the players flopsdives leave him sprawled on the court. It leaves the defense one man down whilst he's laying there, pretty sure coach will get up him if an easy basket results from him laying on the floor for no good reason.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:20 12 Nov 15

Reply #563744

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

I look at it this way:

If the ball handler is out of control and initiates contact and the defender is set with hands out then it is a no call or a charge.

If the ball handler is in control and the contact is minimal but the defender falls, it is a flop, otherwise it will be a no call.

A foul by the defender reaching in or out of position is just a foul.

Easy!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:21 12 Nov 15

Reply #563745

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Oh, I am not a ref, just a junior coach^


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paul
Two years ago
12:31 12 Nov 15

Reply #563747

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It's important to remember it's a very hard call for the refs, one of the toughest in any sport, but that's why leadership is needed from above.

At the moment Alby Joseph is saying he just wants each charge/block/flop called on its merits, but without full-time refs and with a real variance in skill level amongst the panel that is just delivering inconsistency.

Apart from the charge/block/flop I think the reffing's been ok this season, but the charge/block/flop is an absolute mess. I thought they called it pretty well last night, particularly Brad Giersch, but there needs to be more consistency across the panel.


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koberulz
Two years ago
14:13 12 Nov 15

Reply #563763

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

It looks to me like Lisch pushes off Jervis, first from Jervis's hip and then down onto his thigh. Not hard, but with the location and direction of the pressure I can see Jervis's leg legitimately giving out there.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:34 12 Nov 15

Reply #563768

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Its taken you guys 20 hours and a million posts plus replay after replay. The ref has 0.3 of a sec to make a call on the spot. Maybe you give him the benefit of the doubt hey.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:28 12 Nov 15

Reply #563782

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Anon^, they have proven that with three of them and the benefit of replays they can't get it right either!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:17 12 Nov 15

Reply #563795

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Why is the result shoving a tall man on the move with a high centre of gravity in the chest with enough force to push him over a flop?

I'm a Perth, fan but I thought Redhages fall tuo the floor while he was defending a drive to the basket with no contact as blatant a flop as I've ever seen, but no one here even commented on it?


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MACDUB
Two years ago
16:30 12 Nov 15

Reply #563798

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

paul, i think the high charge rate also comes from the way guys attack the rim in the NBL..overseas they will sidestep contact, move in the air, go around or through

What I have noticed in the NBL is that some players are so one-dimensional in the way they attack the rim that theyl just bowl people over. They only have a north south flow.

I do agree that refs need to stop calling charges when players are going north east/north west and the guy taking the charge is not square. You do see some bad ones in the NBL. A few east/west calls too!!


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Jermaine 'Dolla' Beal
Two years ago
17:00 12 Nov 15

Reply #563805

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

*Drops 26 dolla beals..*

"You break my ankles, I'll break your heart".


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:06 12 Nov 15

Reply #563806

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

#782 2 things. .. one) you do know all 3 are not looking at the ball at the same time? Two) you cant review a judgement call!

You guys are and you cant agree.... probably not a stretch that in an instant its a hard call


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paul
Two years ago
17:12 12 Nov 15

Reply #563807

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The NBL players I see in international competitions and overseas leagues don't commit more charges than others. I certainly wouldn't call too many guys one dimensional in the NBL, it's a very multi-skilled league.


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paul
Two years ago
17:39 12 Nov 15

Reply #563814

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the amount of charges in the NBL compared to some other leagues, but the what constitutes a charge and the affect that has on how players defend.

The NBL is a high-penetration league, and more players are encouraged to penetrate than in some league, so there will be probably be more charges.

But in Australia, not just the NBL, we seem to call the charge/block in the defence's favour. When you watch a lot of overseas ball you see if there is doubt it usually goes in favour of the offence.


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koberulz
Two years ago
17:53 12 Nov 15

Reply #563817

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Back when Peter Carey couldn't figure out how to make the ref review videos on YouTube private, I watched through them and at one point it specifically said block/charge was to be called in favour of the defence. So unless that's changed, it's not just a matter of 'seem to'.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:54 12 Nov 15

Reply #563818

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

The amount of off the ball fouls missed makes me think ref's don't look at anything!


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paul
Two years ago
17:57 12 Nov 15

Reply #563819

re: R6: Hawks vs Wildcats

Mal Cooper told refs to call it in favour of the offence, this year my understanding is Alby Joseph isn't giving them a particular way to call it when they are in doubt.


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