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Wilson Sting
Two years ago

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Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

http://www.nbl.com.au/featured-news/conklin-jawai-both-found-guilty-by-tribunal/

Punishments are laughable. Ironic how Conk will miss the game vs United.

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MACDUB
Two years ago
21:01 17 Nov 15

Reply #565001

re: Guilty as charged

Don't have too much of an issue with Jawai's. $1k fine and now he will at least realise to be more careful with his arms/elbows.

Conklin is hard done by as it looked purely accidental. Can't help but feel the Tribunal felt compelled to suspend him because of the outcry following the Martin incident - they felt the pressure of public opinion if they let him off this charge (even know I think he should have got off)


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
21:03 17 Nov 15

Reply #565002

re: Guilty as charged

You're saying that Jawai had more intent to make contact with his opponent that Conklin??


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:05 17 Nov 15

Reply #565003

re: Guilty as charged

wow


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MACDUB
Two years ago
21:06 17 Nov 15

Reply #565004

re: Guilty as charged

Thought this was a bit ridicolous:

"Factors such as Abercrombie being able to continue the playing in the game.."

There were other better reasons why Jawai didn't warrant a suspension..thought this was probably the most stupid reason of the lot and yet the NBL have ran with it. Level of harm to player shouldn't be a primary factor.

By that reasoning you could probably just about kill Vukona and you'd get off scot-free because Vukona will continue to play through everything.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
21:08 17 Nov 15

Reply #565005

re: Guilty as charged

Supernintendo, honestly, yes. Just my opinion though. Each to their own. That wasn't the base of my argument.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:21 17 Nov 15

Reply #565008

re: Guilty as charged

Inconsistent. If Aber being able to continue to play was a factor, than Martin being out for weeks should have been a factor in suspending Conklin the other week.


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koberulz
Two years ago
21:25 17 Nov 15

Reply #565009

re: Guilty as charged

Oh look, the NBL tribunal is a joke. How shocking.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
21:28 17 Nov 15

Reply #565010

re: Guilty as charged

Fair enough MACDUB. Agree to disagree and all that.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
21:39 17 Nov 15

Reply #565016

re: Guilty as charged

This is a joke. Either charge Conklin the first time or not all.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
21:40 17 Nov 15

Reply #565017

re: Guilty as charged

Tey's and U'u's were worst than both Jawai and Conklin.


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koberulz
Two years ago
21:47 17 Nov 15

Reply #565022

re: Guilty as charged

Conklin was charged both times, Callisto.


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Annon
Two years ago
21:50 17 Nov 15

Reply #565024

re: Guilty as charged

Conklin injured both players both times.

Teys,etc should just be issued a formal warning compared to conk and jawai!


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moo
Two years ago
21:56 17 Nov 15

Reply #565025

re: Guilty as charged

Both Jawai and Conk are looking to intimidate opposition players the difference to me is that Jawai is looking to slap Abercrombie's lay up all the way back to Perth (maybe he could try to just knock the ball out of the keyway instead).

Conklin is only looking to make contact with the opposition players, whether just for the foul or not, his intent is to make heavy physical contact with his opponent.

Jawai is going for the ball, but neither of the players that Conklin has now made miss games has even had the ball.


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Train
Two years ago
23:48 17 Nov 15

Reply #565044

re: Guilty as charged

Don't mind the punishments handed out to both players. This really needed to be brought in after the Damo incident but I guess this is the NBLs way of acknowledging the old system didn't work and to send a message. Players need to be protected. Intentional or not, hits to the head need to be treated seriously.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:58 17 Nov 15

Reply #565046

re: Guilty as charged

Big guys get penalised again, how many times do big guys get hammered by guards to prevent layups ie Shaq, then when a big guy hits a guard it's treated as a major crime. There's a reason why there's weight division in boxing, mma etc. Surprising Shaq didn't lose his cool that much considering.
I bet if a guard deliberately hammered Jawai then every would be saying what a smart hard foul it was.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
00:12 18 Nov 15

Reply #565048

re: Guilty as charged

As expected, but i think both should've gotten off with a financial fine and move on. NO WAY Conklin misses games if not for the Perth incident and social media stuff to do with that. Dont think his half time interview helped either somehow. Crazy Conklin is actually the one fouled in both incidents, there is no rough stuff from opposition players towards him either time, no tech fouls unsportsmanlike etc

Jawai was never going to miss a game, $1000 is peanuts, cute really. Wonder what will happen if he commits a similar act later on in the season.


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Isaac
Two years ago
06:11 18 Nov 15

Reply #565062

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

You're saying that Jawai had more intent to make contact with his opponent that Conklin??
He was at least looking at the player he hit!


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flatshot
Two years ago
08:15 18 Nov 15

Reply #565067

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Always hard to gauge guilt or innocence and consider intent or inadvertent/recklessness and then determine what punishment fits the crime but the overall response as a message of deterrence was neccessary in both cases.

The injury or lack of injury is not the issue. That Abercrombie still has an attached head was good fortune. Jawai's reckless foul in his line of sight across Abercrombie's clearly visible head and the high probability of his intent to commit a hard foul to deter Abercrombie without regard for an unsafe and dangerous outcome for Abercrombie warrants its own measure of deterrence.


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Thunder Jam
Two years ago
08:29 18 Nov 15

Reply #565069

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

So trib say not a legitimate attempted at a spoil..Okay that means it was deliberate then! $1000 is a joke,that's just one nights take away bill for Nate.


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mystro
Two years ago
09:16 18 Nov 15

Reply #565076

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Happy with the result, it at least serves as a deterrent for other players in the future.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:06 18 Nov 15

Reply #565102

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Abercrombie said on Saturday he had not seen the blow coming in the game, but after viewing it on replay afterwards he was less than happy about the nature of it.

"I didn't see him, I just saw Jarrod [Kenny] in front of me, and next thing I knew I was on the ground ... it was a decent blow from a pretty big guy, and it didn't really look like he was going for the ball. It was bit of a dirty play, I think."

Abercrombie was shaken up quite badly at the time and had to receive stitches in his elbow at halftime as the result of a cut caused by the fall. He had 15 points at the break, and after finishing with 20 for the game wasn't sure whether the blow contributed to his falloff in scoring.

"I wasn't quite as aggressive in the second half, and who knows if that had something to do with it, or it was just the way the game flowed," he said."

Maybe Tom should play in the NZWNBL from now on.


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mystro
Two years ago
11:31 18 Nov 15

Reply #565108

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Maybe Tom should play in the NZWNBL from now on."

Stupid comment, he is one of the best SF's in the comp.
Abercrombie shouldn't have to worry about overweight Gorilla's trying to take his head off mid air be cause they were too slow to play legal defense.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
11:37 18 Nov 15

Reply #565110

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Dick comment Chalmers... your better than that. Unlike Martin and Creek who both said it was part of the game, as the guy who hit them didn't have them in his visual sight. Abercrombie wasnt happy and said so, because the guy who hit him knew where his head was.


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Bear
Two years ago
11:41 18 Nov 15

Reply #565112

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

No comment!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:42 18 Nov 15

Reply #565114

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Looks like all the judiciary here got it wrong.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:42 18 Nov 15

Reply #565115

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Stupid comment, he is one of the best SF's in the comp.
Abercrombie shouldn't have to worry about overweight Gorilla's trying to take his head off mid air be cause they were too slow to play legal defense."

No he shouldn't but to call it a dirty play is bullshit.

What has his status of being a good player got to do with anything?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:45 18 Nov 15

Reply #565118

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Dick comment Chalmers... your better than that. Unlike Martin and Creek who both said it was part of the game, as the guy who hit them didn't have them in his visual sight. "

They could have also said that they players need to be more careful swinging elbows around because of actual injuries that occurred, but they didn't.

You don't try and drop someone in the shit because you played poorly in the second half.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:48 18 Nov 15

Reply #565120

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Really anon, everyone got it wrong did they?


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paul
Two years ago
11:49 18 Nov 15

Reply #565122

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"You don't try and drop someone in the shit because you played poorly in the second half."

I think you need to watch the second half again.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:50 18 Nov 15

Reply #565125

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

I think you need to read his comments again.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:55 18 Nov 15

Reply #565130

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Not the greatest comment by Abercrombie. Jawai was clearly going for the ball and his whinging to the ref afterwards makes that clear. If he wanted to take Abercrombie out he would've done it with a clenched fist or an elbow to the face like Conklin does.

He shouldn't blame his notorious disappearing acts for quarters, halves and whole games on someone else.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:58 18 Nov 15

Reply #565133

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

JawI was frustrated and angry, that's why he smacked him and that's why he remonstrated with the ref afterwards, unless you can read minds anon^


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Luuuc
Two years ago
12:10 18 Nov 15

Reply #565145

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

* Posts comment based around knowing what a player was thinking
* In same sentence mocks someone else for reading minds


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PlaymakerMo
Two years ago
12:37 18 Nov 15

Reply #565157

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

^Luuuc gets it.


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mystro
Two years ago
13:21 18 Nov 15

Reply #565173

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"No he shouldn't but to call it a dirty play is bullshit.

What has his status of being a good player got to do with anything?"

Head shots aren't legal in Basketball so by default it's a dirty play.
It was also on a guy who happened to be scoring at will on Perth up until that incident so read into that what you will.
His (Tom Abercrombie) status as good player has nothing to with anything except that Jawai's play almost robbed the league of one of their most athletic and exciting players because he couldn't make a play at the ball legally so instead clobbered someone in the air.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:26 18 Nov 15

Reply #565176

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Head shots aren't legal in Basketball so by default it's a dirty play. "

Fouling and standing in the key for three seconds aren't legal either. Try again.

Dirty plays are about intent, not where you get hit.


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mystro
Two years ago
13:33 18 Nov 15

Reply #565178

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

so then Conklin is clean and good to go?
Who cares that Martins Jaw got broke and Creek got dropped as there was no intent?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:38 18 Nov 15

Reply #565181

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Some of the reasoning here is beyond belief, I am sure some of you mean well but if you believe in the Easter Bunny don't try to convince others of your stupid beliefs.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:38 18 Nov 15

Reply #565182

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

mystro, I don't think anyone is saying that intentional damage is the only type we'd rather not see. I still don't think Conklin meant to break Damo's jaw, but going from that to "who cares" is a bit of a leap don't you think? Everyone cares when players get hurt.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:41 18 Nov 15

Reply #565184

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Sorry I didn't know the Kiwis thought they could redefine the meaning of words when it suited.

Apparently Martin didn't mind his jaw got broken, and Creek didn't mind that he is missing a game. But Abercrombie dropped Jawai in the shit because he played a poor second half, obviously not considering that Perth is only half a game ahead of the Breakers on the ladder....so read in to that what you will.


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paul
Two years ago
13:54 18 Nov 15

Reply #565187

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Abercrombie just gave his opinion on it. What's wrong with that?


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paul
Two years ago
13:54 18 Nov 15

Reply #565188

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

It's nothing different to what Creek and Martin did. They called it as they saw it.


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mystro
Two years ago
14:21 18 Nov 15

Reply #565201

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"mystro, I don't think anyone is saying that intentional damage is the only type we'd rather not see. I still don't think Conklin meant to break Damo's jaw, but going from that to "who cares" is a bit of a leap don't you think? Everyone cares when players get hurt."

absolutely agree with you, I was replying sarcastically to Chalmers comment of:

"Dirty plays are about intent, not where you get hit."


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Luuuc
Two years ago
14:31 18 Nov 15

Reply #565204

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Well FWIW I agree with him about that. That's exactly what makes dirty plays dirty.
Intent of the act and severity of the damage both need to be considered, but they're not the same thing and are not always linked.


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mystro
Two years ago
14:33 18 Nov 15

Reply #565205

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"Apparently Martin didn't mind his jaw got broken, and Creek didn't mind that he is missing a game. But Abercrombie dropped Jawai in the shit because he played a poor second half, obviously not considering that Perth is only half a game ahead of the Breakers on the ladder....so read in to that what you will."

Abercrombie didn't drop Jawai in the shit, Jawai smacking Abercrombie in the head while in the air did.

Do you honestly think Abercrombie spent that night on his computer emailing the NBL his unhappiness with the play?

Would it have been better for the Breakers organization to make a public statement that Jawai better expect retribution next time they play rather than go through the correct channels with the league?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:44 18 Nov 15

Reply #565207

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

I've posted the comments he made and compared them to whatever Martin and Creek said about Conklin. I find it weird that the one that resulted in the least injury and was the only one that was a play on the ball was considered dirty. A "no comment" would have been better.

If the Breakers are dirty at anyone it should be the refs for not calling the USF and having the matter dealt with adequately on the night.


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paul
Two years ago
15:56 18 Nov 15

Reply #565223

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

"I find it weird that the one that resulted in the least injury and was the only one that was a play on the ball was considered dirty."

It was also the only one where the guy was looking at the bloke he hit.

I don't think it was dirty, I personally wouldn't do what Tom has done, but I'd much prefer he be honest and generate some interest than lie for the sake of decorum.

Creek, Martin and Abercrombie all appear to have been honest in their assessments so I have no issue, even though I think the first two got it right and Tom has gone a little too far - clumsy, agricultural, even lazy, but not dirty.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
04:13 20 Nov 15

Reply #565556

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Abercrombie is a moron, it wasn't a dirty play and to make a stupid comment like that prior to the tribunal. Sook


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mystro
Two years ago
05:35 20 Nov 15

Reply #565560

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Last time Abercrombie was fouled in the air hard (Peter Crawfords block attempt) he spent the next 2years recovering so do you blame him for not being that impressed at almost having his head taken off by a guy the size of Nate Jawai anon?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:28 20 Nov 15

Reply #565564

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Still doesn't make it dirty


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:01 20 Nov 15

Reply #565632

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

He didn't have a problem at half time when he would have been most reactive to the incident. So to come out later and make those comments, only tarnishing his own reputation in the league.


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Dazz
Two years ago
01:12 21 Nov 15

Reply #565779

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Jawai might as well give up now and go back to Europe.
Refs and now the NBL have made it clear they don't want him here.
Rumours were he was signed on a massive Marquee deal, maybe that's what has pissed them off?

Logically there is just no sense to any of this.
Jawai goes for the ball and clips him in the head. That is deemed reckless.
Conklin throws his arms around (because he's a dick) and hits Martin so hard he breaks his jaw into two, and that's ok.
Then Conklin does the same thing a week later, and suddenly the NBL are scrambling to get the Egg of their faces.

Now, I have no problem with finding Nate "Reckless." I would have said "careless," but we're splitting hairs. Nobody disputes he was going for the ball, but he missed and clipped his head on the follow-through. So yeah, reckless/careless.
But if that's reckless, then you need to invent a whole new category of stupid for Conklin's behaviour. One game suspension is a joke.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
02:11 21 Nov 15

Reply #565786

re: Conklin and Jawai found guilty as charged

Plenty dispute he was going for the ball, including Tom Abercrombie, the New Zealand Breakers and the NBL tribunal. And me.


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