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Hoopie
Two years ago

#38491

Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Having watched his first two games, I reckon "Hell, yeah!"

Get him into the Boomers asap

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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:06 17 Nov 15

Reply #565026

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

He is definately ready but has he committed to playing in Rio? (Anyone know for sure?)


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paul
Two years ago
22:21 17 Nov 15

Reply #565034

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

The level of games he has played in is so many light years away from facing Spain, USA, Lithuania, Argentina etc that it's impossible to tell.

He has the physical tools, whether his knowledge of the game will be ready who knows, but either way the Boomers will take him if available.


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Todd
Two years ago
22:26 17 Nov 15

Reply #565035

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Ben Simmons should be going to Rio. The kid is awesome. Rather him, than Bairstow or Jawai.


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NBL Fan
Two years ago
22:31 17 Nov 15

Reply #565036

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Is Exum can play for the Boomers than Simmons should be starting...


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hm
Two years ago
23:33 17 Nov 15

Reply #565040

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

I'd put him on the team but deep on the bench. The college teams Ben has paid wouldn't even compete with the Townsville crocs on a bad game. Ben certainly will be the main guy soon enough though


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AngusH
Two years ago
23:36 17 Nov 15

Reply #565041

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Simmons looked fine against NBL teams in the preseason tour. Definitely ready for Rio.


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paul
Two years ago
23:51 17 Nov 15

Reply #565045

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Pre-season games are also many light years away from playing the USA, Spain, Lithuania and Argentina. There's no way of knowing if he'll be ready to compete at that level mentally, but he should go either way because he's likely going to be phenomenal someday soon.


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Mark-e-Mark
Two years ago
00:14 18 Nov 15

Reply #565049

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

You'd put him on the team, certainly.


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Baller#3
Two years ago
00:41 18 Nov 15

Reply #565051

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

He needs to be on this team as a bench rotation player, why bring a done and dusted bench player like jawai when we can get a youngster into the system


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Anonymous
Two years ago
01:36 18 Nov 15

Reply #565053

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Delly/Gibson
Mills/broekhoff/Goulding
Ingles/Newley
Motum/Anderson/Simmons
Bogut/Baynes

Maybe take out Newley, shift Simmons to sf and add bairstow or ogilvy.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
01:44 18 Nov 15

Reply #565055

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Hard to judge on his first 2 games as they were walks in the park.
But I feel pretty confident that the answer will still be yes by the time he is done facing some adversity and superior opponents. The sooner the better in fact, as these "man among boys" type contests really don't test him or expose aspects of his game requiring extra attention.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
02:50 18 Nov 15

Reply #565057

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Is well ahead of Exum, F Drmic, Mackinnonwho have made Boomers at a similar age


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MACDUB
Two years ago
06:49 18 Nov 15

Reply #565063

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Absolute lock IMO.

Must be taken.

He offers something which none of Australia's other forwards can provide.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:48 18 Nov 15

Reply #565065

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

No brainer. I would start him.

He was a good fit when he played for boomers in the NZ series and that was couple of years ago!

The kid is an absolute freak.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:15 18 Nov 15

Reply #565068

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Starting lineup Imo..
6'4 Delly
6'0 Mills
6'10 Simmons
6'10 Motum
7'0 Bogut

2nd unit
6'2 Gibson
6'8 ingles
6'7 broekhoff
7'0 Anderson
6'10 Baynes

Extras
6'4 Goulding
6'11 Ogilvy


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:00 18 Nov 15

Reply #565072

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Agree with above except I would start baynes at PF over Motum


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:08 18 Nov 15

Reply #565075

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Has to be on the team. Already a better creator than anyone we have in his spot which is something the Boomers struggle to do when Mills and to a lesser extent Ingles aren't firing


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SVD
Two years ago
10:54 18 Nov 15

Reply #565099

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Take him - even if he doesn't play. Get him to learn the systems, hang with the older guys, get his feet wet with International basketball.

He is going to be our best play in 5 years - so get him used to it now. They did it with 18 year old Gaze


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paul
Two years ago
11:06 18 Nov 15

Reply #565103

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Agree 100% SVD. Hopefully he'll be able to have an impact off the bench too. His athleticism at PF could be perfect with a pressing second unit.


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Bear
Two years ago
11:39 18 Nov 15

Reply #565111

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

How is he not ready?

Any NBA team would take hit tomorrow if they could, seriously talented and ready for any level you want him to play in!


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paul
Two years ago
11:46 18 Nov 15

Reply #565119

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Dante Exum was a lottery pick but he wasn't ready in 2014. You get drafted on how good you're going to be, not whether you can play the high IQ ball needed against the USA, Spain, Argentina, Lithuania etc.

I suspect he'll be ready to play some sort of burst role, I hope so because he brings an element we've rarely had.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:50 18 Nov 15

Reply #565123

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Ready to play now and will start next time around.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:51 18 Nov 15

Reply #565127

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Paul, Lebron dominated the NBA out of HS and would have dominated the Olympics tool. Simmons will be MORE than ready come Olympic games.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:54 18 Nov 15

Reply #565129

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Simmons is on another level to Exum. The comparisons wouldn't fit. Simmons has surpassed Exum already. He's ready.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:56 18 Nov 15

Reply #565132

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Exum ahead of Gibson surely!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:09 18 Nov 15

Reply #565143

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Simmons is not Lebron. But I agree with #065, he looked capable of contributing in the NZ series a couple of years ago and has improved significantly since then. Whether he makes the team shouldn't be a question, and he should play significant minutes. Whether he starts or comes off the bench should depend on what we need and how he fits with other guys.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:27 18 Nov 15

Reply #565153

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

rio is in August.
Exum should make it...
I doubt jazz would want him to though before the start of season.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
12:36 18 Nov 15

Reply #565156

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Not too fazed about Exum. To me he is an athlete who is still waiting for his basketball ability to catch up. Lots of potential, but his play for the Boomers so far hasn't been compelling. Even if healthy the Jazz would be pressuring him to stay away from Rio and fair enough too.

Simmons though is a guy who already has a fairly complete game. Experience is the main thing he is lacking, he's the biggest ever no-brainer as a lifetime fixture in the Boomers team, so yeah as others have said, get him in there ASAP.
I'd ease him off the bench, but if all goes well and he is comfortable out there then by all means throw as many minutes his way as he can handle.


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paul
Two years ago
12:39 18 Nov 15

Reply #565158

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

"Paul, Lebron dominated the NBA out of HS and would have dominated the Olympics too"

LeBron played at the Olympics when he was 19. Against Argentina, Spain and Lithunia he played a combined 23 minutes for 9p on 4/10 shooting, 1r, 2a and 2to. I don't class that as dominating.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:14 18 Nov 15

Reply #565170

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Nah Motum is better.


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rjd
Two years ago
15:45 18 Nov 15

Reply #565219

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

It has been exciting to see Simmons' start to his NCAA career with his silky, effortless play, and surely he is a lock for the Boomers on potential alone.

Although I'd wager that Simmons will need to prove that he has a reliable jumpshot in order to even crack rotation minutes as a 4 or 3 on the Boomers team. He is too inexperienced and we have other playmaking options for his playmaking skills to warrant minutes. It's no secret that Lemanis likes stretch 4s, as does the modern game generally, but how good is Simmons' perimeter shot at this stage? Is it just a case that his competition so far makes it inefficient for him to attempt anything beyond short-range baskets, or a jumpshot is a clear deficiency in his game?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:23 18 Nov 15

Reply #565230

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Luuuc, Simmonds has not been tested at all yet. Bit hard to say his game is complete on an international level right now.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:25 18 Nov 15

Reply #565231

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Ben and Lemanis don't have the best of relationships, there was an issue while he was here for the lsu tour.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:40 18 Nov 15

Reply #565235

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

The sooner lemanis goes the better...


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rjd
Two years ago
17:06 18 Nov 15

Reply #565237

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

This is a good breakdown of his weaknesses by DraftExpress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_MSoFc4iA

Despite all the hype surrounding Simmons, to me it highlights that he probably isn't ready for decent rotation minutes on the Boomers team yet. At this stage any NCAA team would be happy to build around him, but Boomers selection is a different beast. The last teenagers to make an impact on the Boomers were in positions of major weakness or while the team was obviously in a rebuilding phase.This Boomers team is not rebuilding. Mills in 2008 appeared as the Boomers had no real PG prospects and Heal was on the verge of departing, Bogut got minutes in 2004 on a rebuilding Boomers team by proving himself in warm-up matches (Goorjian didn't project he would end up starting him). Meanwhile, players with potential like Drmic, Dwight, Bruce (when he was a star freshman) received garbage minutes in international tournaments, while Nielsen and Anstey didn't make the team until later in their career.

While I described his NCAA games so far as "effortless", the intensity of the international game warrants a different attitude. Can he adapt for the international game? The lack of urgency or intensity was also something I noticed last time he played for the Boomers, albeit at a very young age. Reports indicate that he clearly wasn't ready in Boomers practices prior to the World Cup.

He is used to the game coming easily to him, with other players sucked into his orbit; but in the Boomers team with so many clearly defined roles being established already, can he adapt to a role that the team requires? His defense, rebounding fundamentals, and his jumpshot all need improvement to take him to the next level. Of course, they are 3 areas that a Boomers 4-man is expected to have at least one strength in.

I expect that Simmons will need to prove himself as a competent point-forward at other levels before the Boomers even consider that role for him on the Boomers team. Until that happens, Simmons needs to prove himself in another role to complement the other players on the team. Make it into the team and prove himself during practice games, as Bogut and Mills did. He can't expect minutes to be automatically allocated to him based on being a lottery pick.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:31 18 Nov 15

Reply #565241

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

The kid was 25-30 lbs lighter at boomers camp.
His apparently 240-245 now..
1 year on and his A much improved player...
His definitely ready imo...

He held his own against harden, bron and Davis...
He'll be fine.


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paul
Two years ago
17:35 18 Nov 15

Reply #565242

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

I think he'll be ready, the question is for what? Which of his skills will he be able to do well at the intensity of international level? Or will he be more about bringing energy and athleticism in short bursts ala LeBron in 2004?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:37 18 Nov 15

Reply #565243

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

the only thing he's not good at is distance shooting and I'm sure he will improve over the course of the next year.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
17:41 18 Nov 15

Reply #565244

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Well we have an entire freshman season to observe and assess, but unless he bulks up significantly he is an international 3 at the moment, and therefore ideally he'll want to have opponents respecting his 3 point shot. With his vision and ability to create off the dribble it really could make life easier for someone like Patty to play more off the ball.
If he starts knocking down threes as well then look out.


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
18:06 18 Nov 15

Reply #565246

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

If anyone remembers watching Ben's dad play here back in the day, what was his demeanour on court? Ice-cool like Ben or more emotive?


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paul
Two years ago
18:08 18 Nov 15

Reply #565247

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

I remember him being very business-like, just got on with the job of defending, rebounding, screening and dunking!


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
18:13 18 Nov 15

Reply #565249

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Also, with regard to Exum. Yeah the Games is early August but that's not the deadline for fitness. The deadline is long before that considering camps and whatnot.

I hope for the Boomers' sake Lemanis' Brisbane Bullets contract comes in to effect after the Olympics. The last thing we need is a coach with two separate basketball teams on his mind.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
18:16 18 Nov 15

Reply #565250

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Dave Simmons was a banger - completely the opposite to Ben.


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
18:17 18 Nov 15

Reply #565251

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Righto, maybe he has taught Ben how to hold himself on court because the only time he has gotten visibly excited was when he dimed a teammate which led to a timeout.

His movements and demeanour on court are so smooth they're almost haunting


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
18:21 18 Nov 15

Reply #565252

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

...Which is actually the reason I asked him about his dad's on-court attitude. I have a hypothesis about Ben but it's pretty out-of-the-box atm, just limited to a couple comments in the media and the way he's handled himself over the first two NCAA games. Really keen to get to know the kid more as his media stuff ramps up. He's a seriously intriguing personality already, that's for sure.


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Todd
Two years ago
18:24 18 Nov 15

Reply #565253

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Ben Simmons will be a number one draft pick in the feckn NBA. But people are saying that he isn't good enough for the Boomers.

For me, Simmons should be in the starting five.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
18:30 18 Nov 15

Reply #565254

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

I think so far he knows there are a lot of eyes on him. It's been pretty easy for him not to do anything that might rub anyone the wrong way, because the 2 games so far were easy wins.

I'm sure more will be revealed when he has to face a bit more adversity in terms of playing a superior team or matching up on a quality opponent that serves it up to him.
Hopefully that will bring out a bit of fire in the guy, because as a fan it's nice to see some intensity in a player and know that he seriously cares about winning. It's a fine line, because getting fired up over beating up on a clearly inferior opponent isn't a good look either.

Lots to look forward too. It's awesome that all those games will be telecast for us.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:33 18 Nov 15

Reply #565255

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Agreed Todd.

I don't think people realise just how damn good he is. He has won the same accolades that only the best of the best have at his stage. I've seen him play one on one with LBJ and he holds it down.

If he doesn't start for the boomers id be gobsmacked. Can't believe he got cut by lemanis last time.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:49 18 Nov 15

Reply #565256

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Make sure your mouthguard is in place anon #255 because I think you're going to get gobsmacked


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:37 18 Nov 15

Reply #565275

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

The United coach should coach the boomers


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:23 18 Nov 15

Reply #565297

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Simmons frame is completely different from boomers camp/Monteverde to now.
He got out muscled at camp... Not the case anymore...
He's not a lean 210-220. He's 240 + and will probably get to 250 by the end of the college season.
His 19. body still filling out...


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Todd
Two years ago
21:16 18 Nov 15

Reply #565326

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

I agree that the United's coach should be the Boomers coach.

Ben Simmons in 2016 will be starting for a NBA Team. At the moment only Bogut is a starter.

The kid is 6'10 point forward who run, jump, awesome handles and out of this world basketball IQ. By the way, he can defend, rebound, steals, block shots play help defense and assist/turn over ratio is better than most point guards.

Needs to work on his 3 pt and mid range shooting and get stronger.

For me, Start with Bogut, Baynes, Simmions, Mills, and Delly. Bench with Goulding, Bairstow, Ingles, Andersen, Motum, Newly, Maker.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:18 18 Nov 15

Reply #565341

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Any thoughts on where Simmons will land? Philly, Lakers??


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
23:54 18 Nov 15

Reply #565360

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Pretty sure Simmons will be a consensus no. 1 for NBA teams. Labissiere is a special special talent (may be a once-in-a-decade type; then again it seems there are more and more once-in-a-decade bigmen materialising), but Simmons is the best talent by a mile.

I guess teams like Philly, Denver and Charlotte (Al Jefferson is really a PF) desperately need a centre so they may want to fill a need with Labissiere but apart from that Simmons should land with the lucky team that gets dat ping pong combo.


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Mark-e-Mark
Two years ago
00:05 19 Nov 15

Reply #565364

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

+Dean Dinop---- as Boomers coach? I hadn't considered that. It isn't a half bad idea, but lets see whether United keep on winning into the finals first.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:29 19 Nov 15

Reply #565383

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Off topic... but did anyone watch the lsu game?
Was that Daniel mading wearing a lsu basketball top behind the bench?
Isn't he a possible recruit for them next year.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:10 19 Nov 15

Reply #565502

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Simmons should be named if anything not to insult him with a slap in the face and make him question of he wants to be part of the boomers program


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AngusH
Two years ago
15:41 20 Nov 15

Reply #565653

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Through three games - 18.7 PPG 12.7 RPG 4.7 APG on 62% shooting. Yeah, LSU haven't exactly been playing Div 1 heavyweights, but those are some eye-opening numbers regardless.

There's no way in hell you don't include him in the squad, he's the future of Aussie basketball.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:05 20 Nov 15

Reply #565660

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

+1, he must be in the squad


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paul
Two years ago
16:39 20 Nov 15

Reply #565673

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Not picking him for Rio would go down as one of the dumbest moves ever from the Boomers!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:40 20 Nov 15

Reply #565760

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

If Simmons was playing in the NBL would he be one of the best players? If guys like Adam Gibson regularly make the squad, then he should.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:12 21 Nov 15

Reply #565860

re: Is Ben Simmons ready for Rio?

Off topic...
But has anyone seen Xavier cooks numbers for Winthrop so far in his sophomore season.
20.5 ppg, 10rpg, 3apg, 2.5bpg

Could be an excellent sf for the boomers in the future...
Dam we have a lot of talent coming through!


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