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NBL Fan
Two years ago

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Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Brian Conklin has been let go by the Crocs. Reasoning unclear at this stage.

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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
16:27 30 Nov 15

Reply #567522

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Shit attitude?


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Benno
Two years ago
16:29 30 Nov 15

Reply #567523

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Wonder who they are bringing in?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:29 30 Nov 15

Reply #567524

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Should've done it after breaking Martin's jaw. He never learnt and tried to do it again to Creek.

No need for dirty players like that in the NBL these days. They seem to play better without him anyway and could probably do with saving the coin.


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
16:29 30 Nov 15

Reply #567525

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Yikes!

Hope he didn't elbow anyone on the way out...


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NBL Fan
Two years ago
16:33 30 Nov 15

Reply #567526

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Has it got anything to do with form or financial reasons anyone?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:36 30 Nov 15

Reply #567527

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Fall from grace. MVP to cut.

It was probably a bad idea for him to get suspended, as they found out they are a better team playing small ball and blooding the kids.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:42 30 Nov 15

Reply #567528

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

One of the worst MVPs that I can remember


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Matt
Two years ago
16:45 30 Nov 15

Reply #567529

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Conklin to the Hawks?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:46 30 Nov 15

Reply #567530

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Wow, I think this is a great move by the Crocs, give all his minutes to Kay, Young and Froling and let them truly develop. Get rid of Jett as well and let Norton and Maynard shine some more.

Great move Crocs


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Train
Two years ago
16:46 30 Nov 15

Reply #567531

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Wow didn't see that one coming


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XY
Two years ago
16:49 30 Nov 15

Reply #567533

re: Townsville Crocs have terminatd Conklin's contract

Something must have been happened behind the scenes.

That said, he has largely been a waste of space all season and nowhere near as productive as last year.


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Isaac
Two years ago
16:52 30 Nov 15

Reply #567534

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

His on-court attitude has seemed a bit average to me. Looked to play a bit rougher and more desperately to compensate for the shooting percentages with which he opened the season.

Not a bad idea to throw Kay in the deep end and work out if Young is good enough.


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newbe
Two years ago
16:56 30 Nov 15

Reply #567536

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Do you think any other teams will pick him up?


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LV
Two years ago
17:09 30 Nov 15

Reply #567538

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I wonder what did happen behind the scenes.


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Isaac
Two years ago
17:20 30 Nov 15

Reply #567541

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin's post on social media:

"Thank you to all the Crocs fans and my teammates and coaches for this wonderful season and for a great 3 seasons unfortunately the club has terminated my contract and I will no longer be able to captain this club," it read.

“All the best to the boys and coaches going forward.”
From a Townsville Bulletin article:
...the club stated they would be unavailable for comment until later this afternoon it is understood they weren't satisfied with his performances to date this season.
Full story


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NBL Fan
Two years ago
17:24 30 Nov 15

Reply #567542

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Well that's just stupid. Do they think fans will want to go to games now after you sack a fan fav and MVP. Shocking decision by a poorly managed club.


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Happy Days
Two years ago
17:25 30 Nov 15

Reply #567543

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

He seemed out of sorts this season.Good to see he handled his termination with class.Didnt say a bad work about the club.


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Mick
Two years ago
17:31 30 Nov 15

Reply #567545

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

This is dumb. I would have never re signed him, unless it was for around 100k max. Classic overpay, and i knew it was going to happen after the MVP. Cutting him now makes less sense, especially when the club is flat broke.

He was set up to fail by being made the number 1 option on a team without much shooting to space the floor. An undersized PF who cant shoot the three, defend or rebound isnt worth that much in 2015.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:37 30 Nov 15

Reply #567549

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I thought he was under-performing. Independent of his controversies.


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Baller#3
Two years ago
17:40 30 Nov 15

Reply #567550

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Do they have to pay out the remainder of his contract? Could be a money saving move, as the crocs looks to reduce their loses before bowing out?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:40 30 Nov 15

Reply #567551

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I wonder how much him, jett & schenscher r on combined. Would it be around 250k.

Id look at replacing them all with a young athletic swingman who can play 2, 3, 4 with whatever money those guys combine for. Think something along the lines of ennis at best, and aim to get at least as good as prather. Would be more exciting for the fans and if they get the right guy they won't hurt the team or the young aussie talent.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:49 30 Nov 15

Reply #567553

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I doubt they intend to sign a replacement import probs just looking to save money before they go under and giving him a clip around the ear on the way out.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:51 30 Nov 15

Reply #567554

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

too bad the crocs are folding they have a good young unit could be a force if they stuck around together


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Anoniguy
Two years ago
17:52 30 Nov 15

Reply #567555

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Robert Rose or Sam McKinnon still available?


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AngusH
Two years ago
17:56 30 Nov 15

Reply #567556

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Agree that Conklin hasn't looked great this year. He's usually so deadly from the elbow, but this year his J hasn't dropped like it normally does, and so many of his shots are tough shots driving into traffic.

Still, given they won't exactly be splashing on an Al Harrington-type replacement, I'd imagine there'd be much more to it than just his on-court stuff.


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Isaac
Two years ago
17:58 30 Nov 15

Reply #567557

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Club announcement:

The Townsville Crocodiles today announce they have released import Brian Conklin from his 2015/16 NBL contract.

The 26-year old has averaged just over 13 points and six rebounds per game, and due to a number of sub-par performances the club have made the difficult decision to explore other options.

Townsville Crocodiles General Manager Rob Honan commends Conklin for his professionalism and commitment to the club.

"Brian Conklin has been a tremendous player and we cannot praise him enough for what he has done for his team on and off the court in the past three seasons," said Mr Honan.

“Unfortunately, we are almost sitting last on the NBL ladder and the reality of not making the Finals again is one we do not want to face.

“There are no outside factors or reasons behind this decision - we simply want to give this club the best chance of being successful in the competition.”


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:02 30 Nov 15

Reply #567558

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

By being so direct saying his performances are subpar screams there were off court issues.


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Another Anon
Two years ago
18:04 30 Nov 15

Reply #567559

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

@AngusH
hahaha - 'deadly from the elbow'...nice.


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Silencer83
Two years ago
18:05 30 Nov 15

Reply #567561

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Anon567551, you mean like the one they let walk to United?


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Mick
Two years ago
18:06 30 Nov 15

Reply #567562

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

What is the point though? You could bring in a legit NBA level talent and youd still struggle to make the playoffs. The NBL season is not long enough to necessitate making a change like this. The whole roster is unbalanced it's not just one guy. And if you're gonna sack him whh not sack Jett? He has been just as bad.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
18:10 30 Nov 15

Reply #567564

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Yeah may as well sack them both if they're serious about winning some games.
Replacing Conklin isn't going to be the difference between 4-10 and playoffs.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
18:11 30 Nov 15

Reply #567565

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Wonder if they could get Al Harrington?

Maybe Al is just itching to keep on playing and would be happy to play for cheap.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
18:12 30 Nov 15

Reply #567566

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"By being so direct saying his performances are subpar screams there were off court issues."

I would have thought the opposite.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:20 30 Nov 15

Reply #567567

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

It sounds like they are replacing him with an import by the press release.

Id also let Jett go and Schenscher too (or make him an assistant coach, he is injured so much anyway) and replace them with 1 stud import and 2 min salary players, 1 import 1 local

Id get the best swingman they can afford, hopefully they would have around 150-200k to spend, id go young and take a punt and try and land the next Ennis, or as close as you can get even Prather level ok, someone who helps you win and is exciting and puts bums on seats

Then 2 min salary spots id offer to Montreal and BJ Anthony, both would suit well imo

Gives you a roster of

Kay/Young
Montreal/Anthony
Steindl/Henry
new Import/Djeric
Norton/Maynard

Wouldnt do anyworse and if the stud import is picked well could help win a few more games and be more exciting for fans


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Matthew
Two years ago
18:22 30 Nov 15

Reply #567568

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Apparently he is going to Adelaide 36's and is replacing Ebi Ere.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:33 30 Nov 15

Reply #567569

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I think the other bigs have improved greatly this year so Conklin is actually undersized and can't bullock his way around as he did last year.
His frustration levels have obviously increased also with his poor play.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:38 30 Nov 15

Reply #567570

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Schenscher just signed a 3 year deal so unlikely.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:40 30 Nov 15

Reply #567571

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Als busy back in US. They must have someone lined up already to make that move.


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Mookie
Two years ago
18:45 30 Nov 15

Reply #567572

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Cause he's white.


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ChairmanOfTheBored
Two years ago
18:53 30 Nov 15

Reply #567574

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

This story would be sad if it weren't so humerus.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:55 30 Nov 15

Reply #567576

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Would get Gruber and a seabl import


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NBL Fan
Two years ago
19:13 30 Nov 15

Reply #567582

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Well its pretty obvious that the Crocs are broke so it doesn't look like they will sign anyone that impressive.

Is this the TSV Crocs farewell season 3.0?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:28 30 Nov 15

Reply #567587

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Major announcement coming tomorrow morning on the new Croc's signing.
They only released him because this coup is to big to turn down.
When u see who it is u will understand.
He was very close to MVP in this league before, many felt he was the MVP, one of the better players to come to NBL in last 6yrs!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:33 30 Nov 15

Reply #567590

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

who


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:38 30 Nov 15

Reply #567592

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Ennis?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:45 30 Nov 15

Reply #567595

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Hodge?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:47 30 Nov 15

Reply #567596

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Donta smith


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Kr
Two years ago
19:50 30 Nov 15

Reply #567597

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Mike dunigan? Playing d league, waved by Cavs in September and played under Dennis at perth. Would be a great fit for the crocs, to match up with other bigs.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
19:55 30 Nov 15

Reply #567599

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I was at Nando's waiting for my food to arrive when I saw the Conklin news on twitter, and my first thought was that it was a sure sign that Dunigan must be on his way.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:00 30 Nov 15

Reply #567601

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

The question is what were the rest of you eating for lunch when the news broke?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:05 30 Nov 15

Reply #567602

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I thought the crocs were strapped for cash? How can they afford to be paying imports out and then recruiting superstar imports on his place? Having said that it is a big move to sack your mvp miss season so they must have something lined up...


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Luuuc
Two years ago
20:07 30 Nov 15

Reply #567603

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Dunigan used to tweet about Nando's a lot during his stint in Perth, for anyone else wondering WTF my post was on about.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:08 30 Nov 15

Reply #567604

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Anyone got a list of near mvps in the past 6 years? Ennis seems to fit that description but as far as i know still is contracted with Memphis


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The_Champ33
Two years ago
20:11 30 Nov 15

Reply #567605

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Bring back Diamon Simpson to the NBL


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Kr
Two years ago
20:16 30 Nov 15

Reply #567606

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

With schensher still injured and no longer a starting centre and Kay proven to be starter quality 4, dunigan or ebekwe type make the most sense to me. No way they sack a 4 and replace him with a small forward like ennis, with only Kay and young as the fit bigs.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:17 30 Nov 15

Reply #567607

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Shit surely Hawks won't sign another former league MVP in Conklin


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Indominous-Rex
Two years ago
20:25 30 Nov 15

Reply #567609

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

According to @SydneyKingsFanWeekly and @MelbourneUnitedFanWeekly on twitter, he's black, has a name that starts with any letter from A-Z, has two eyes, a nose and some feet.

I think it's pretty clear who the replacement is.

Ben Gordon


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Blowout Troll
Two years ago
20:58 30 Nov 15

Reply #567613

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Kevin Durant is quitting the Thunder to play for the Crocs.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:13 30 Nov 15

Reply #567616

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"Anyone got a list of near mvps in the past 6 years?"

Homicide?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:41 30 Nov 15

Reply #567619

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Karma for hitting Damo :)


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KingJames
Two years ago
22:15 30 Nov 15

Reply #567628

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin is a much better player than Dunigan. I doubt Townsville would make that swap.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:19 30 Nov 15

Reply #567632

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I had a look at the list of the all-nbl first team for the past six years and there's no one that really fits the bill. The only guys on that list thatweren't mvp, aren't already in the league or retired (to my knowledge) are:

Tywain mckee
Ervin
Gary Wilkinson
Seth Scott
Wilbekin
Motum

Couldn't see them sacking conklin for a pg so that leaves Wilkinson and Scott who no one would be getting particularly excited about. So motum. Motum has a job already? Left ennis off the list because he's still in nba


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Dazz
Two years ago
02:47 1 Dec 15

Reply #567649

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin was easily the best PF in the league last year (in terms of somebody who played all year) so he was an ok choice for MVP.
One could assume that he asked for more money as a result.
This season he has been mediocre, he has seemed frustrated as a result, and his weird arm-waiving has resulted in injuries and a suspension.
Not what you want from your star import.
He was probably the highest paid guy on the team, and he just wasn't performing to the standard you need from a star import.

It's possible they have lined up a replacement.
It's also possible they have decided to save some cash, give more minutes to some of their local players, and go hunting for another star next season. Will wait and see.


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proud
Two years ago
05:58 1 Dec 15

Reply #567651

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Glad that this may mean my man Steindl may get more shots up and intrigued about Conklin's future.

Does anyone think that a club will sign him again with the intentions of him becoming naturalised?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
08:14 1 Dec 15

Reply #567653

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I wouldn't think the Hawks would look at him. They prefer to play with a stretch 4.

A SEABL/QBL team might look at him if he has intentions of becoming naturalised.


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
08:23 1 Dec 15

Reply #567655

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Two home games for TSV this week. Great timing.


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Jack Toft
Two years ago
08:58 1 Dec 15

Reply #567668

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I'm surprised no-one has yet commented about him being their captain.

When was the last time an NBL club released a Captain mid-season?


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Dman
Two years ago
09:03 1 Dec 15

Reply #567669

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

From ROHAN O'NEIL SPORTS REPORTER TOWNSVILLE BULLETIN DECEMBER 01, 2015

AXED Townsville Crocodiles captain has expressed his bitter disappointment with his treatment by the club after being unceremoniously sacked halfway through the 2015/16 season.

The American import had built a reputation as a fearless competitor and fan favourite since the Townsville franchise handed him first start as a professional player in the 13/14 season but that relationship came to an abrupt end in a meeting yesterday afternoon.

Just hours after leading an honesty session with his teammates the 26-year-old import was told via text message to skip a planned school clinic and instead head to the club’s base in Currajong for a meeting.

The sensational result of his sit-down with general manager Rob Honan and coach Shawn Dennis caught the no-nonsense Anerican completely off-guard and left him gutted by the team that only months ago announced him as their captain.

"The immediate reaction for me was disappointment, you sign with a club who has struggled over the last couple of years because they’d shown trust in and I wanted to show trust in them," he said.


“They named me captain, wanted me to lead this team and talked to me about changing the culture of the club — and that’s something that I have poured my heart and soul into — then something like this happens halfway through the season.”

Conklin and his wife Kristina also opted to have their first child here and their baby boy Benson was born in the city weeks ago, with the team’s shock decision leaving the new father rattled.

“I had a decision to have my child in America or in Australia and I said you know what this community has been great to me, this club has shown me support,” he said.

“I had my baby here, I was trying to get citizenship, I wanted to make it a lifetime thing and then they go and sack you 14 games into my third season when they were talking about a three-year deal at the start of the season.”

The club cited sup-par performances as the reason for terminating the contract of last season’s league MVP but Conklin wasn’t buying their excuses and insisted he would stay in the city until the club pay him what he’s owed.

“I went out there every night, tried to rally the guys and I’ve put my blood, sweat and tears into this club,” he said.

“I’m better than I’ve been in the last two years in every other statistical category, I just haven’t been putting the ball in the hole.

“My next move is to make sure my contract is honoured, I’m not a first year import so they are required to pay my full contract and that’s my biggest goal right now.”

Conklin said he had heard from all his current teammates and a number of past players and while he was left disenchanted with club management he wished his team nothing but the best moving forward.

“It’s not anger because I have given so much to this club I’m just disappointed at the fact that I was told I’m supposed to lead this group of young guys and then I’m told I’m not part of the club anymore,” he said.


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LC
Two years ago
09:07 1 Dec 15

Reply #567671

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Whilst the main number behind Brian Conklin getting cut may very well be his salary, with the full contract set to soon kick in for the remainder of the season, Conklin's on court production has definitely been well down on his MVP season.

The numbers and logic behind Brian Conklin’s Townsville exit


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Bear
Two years ago
09:11 1 Dec 15

Reply #567672

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

True, the league has improved in quality bigs, to a point, this would make it a little tougher for Conklin to stay near the top in his position.

The way the ball was delivered to him and the way the Crocs have gone about it this season has changed slightly also, notwithstanding the issues he has had in reckless and dangerous play, his confidence in his shot and the amount of ball he was getting in good position has not helped.


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Anon
Two years ago
09:44 1 Dec 15

Reply #567675

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

This is poor form on the Crocs behalf but we don't know if there are outside influences at play given this team may be converting to the Bullet as such next season. There has to be something more and a big name coming in I would say. And as far as Conklins form there is also more to it. changes in the playing group and adjustments form the coach can chagne a players game. It is up to the coach to adjust the team and without knowing what goes on in the locker room or training we can't make a comment on if this is a Conklin or Coaching issue apart from the finishing off. All players including the illustrious Gouldign at the moment go through this but thats not a reason to sack quality players. Watch this space, this story will get bigger.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:54 1 Dec 15

Reply #567681

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Anyone else wondering if 6ers should pick him up for ebi.

Move walker to the 3 spot and petrie and Conklin can share the 4 and back up dj at the 5 between them.


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Anon
Two years ago
10:13 1 Dec 15

Reply #567684

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Injury replacement for Hodgon, try before you buy or if he gets paid out from Crocs just move to Brissy and wait for Bullets contract to arrive.


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Anon
Two years ago
10:20 1 Dec 15

Reply #567686

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Its all Brians fault they are losing apparently.

http://www.crocodiles.com.au/blog/featured-news/townsville-crocodiles-media-release-brian-conklin/

Better start winning now or egg on their faces. Look at the assist rate of others in the team and that may highlight some issues and why Conklin can't post numbers as well, along with who they released for the last 2 seasons and the team balance right now.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:23 1 Dec 15

Reply #567688

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Anon...he cant be an injury replacement for Hodgson as he is an import (of which Adelaide already have 2) and Hodgson is not....and that's without considering the points scenario.


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ROFLcopter
Two years ago
10:43 1 Dec 15

Reply #567691

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

lol @ 6ers fans rating Petrie. Conklin is 10 times the player of Petrie.

6ers should go after Conklin. Would be a much needed injection of class.


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Anon
Two years ago
10:50 1 Dec 15

Reply #567692

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Half Time Update
Illawarra Hawks 61 - Townsville Crocodiles 30
The young Crocs are in shell shock after Hawks' Kirk Penney goes berzerk with a 20 point half.
King Conklin leading Crocs stats with 13pts.


Yep, he is so bad he really needed to go !!!!


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paul
Two years ago
10:54 1 Dec 15

Reply #567694

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"Better start winning now or egg on their faces. Look at the assist rate of others in the team and that may highlight some issues and why Conklin can't post numbers as well, along with who they released for the last 2 seasons and the team balance right now."

I think you should just look at Brian's performances. He turned up short of peak shape and touch and simply missed a bunch of shots he made last year, while not being able to defend to the level he did last year when in better condition.

Full credit to him for the way he transformed his game last year, it was a superb effort, just a shame he couldn't stay at that level. Also credit to him for the way he has handled his sacking.


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paul
Two years ago
11:08 1 Dec 15

Reply #567701

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I must say though, unless LK is tipping in, which is certainly possible, it is an odd decision for a budget club.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:35 1 Dec 15

Reply #567704

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

According to Boti don't expect a replacement.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
11:49 1 Dec 15

Reply #567708

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Purely financial decision.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:53 1 Dec 15

Reply #567709

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Seems like a move of a club in its death throes :(


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:02 1 Dec 15

Reply #567710

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Scott Christopherson your redemption time has come! ;-)


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paul
Two years ago
12:33 1 Dec 15

Reply #567715

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

How much would they save though? It's not like his contract becomes void. I guess it depends on what's written in there re termination.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:35 1 Dec 15

Reply #567716

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

What would he have been on? $150k? Should save the club at least $75k then right?


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paul
Two years ago
12:42 1 Dec 15

Reply #567718

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I doubt it. He had signed a contract for the full season, so it's unlikely they won't have to pay him any of the remainder.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:45 1 Dec 15

Reply #567721

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

But there is a cutoff point for having the contract fully guaranteed. Maybe they got in before that kicked in.

I'm still under the impression that its a date, rather than a number of games played.


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paul
Two years ago
12:48 1 Dec 15

Reply #567722

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I don't think that rule would be relevant for a re-signed import like Conklin. He had far more bargaining power than that as club and league MVP.


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Train
Two years ago
12:56 1 Dec 15

Reply #567724

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"But there is a cutoff point for having the contract fully guaranteed. Maybe they got in before that kicked in."

My understanding of this rule is that is for imports in their first season with the club and not for imports returning on a new contract with the same club. Based on that Conklin should still be paid out in full.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:03 1 Dec 15

Reply #567725

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

If they have to pay him out in full (which would be understandable given the type of leverage he would have had when writing this contract) then why even cut him? Makes no sense to me. Can still focus on younger players but keep him for when needed even if that is coming off the bench.
If they have to pay him out then that is basically proof that their reasoning of it being due to his lack of on-court performance is actually a steaming pile of shit.

Conklin's own words make it sound like they owe him for a full season and he knows it. So IMO the Crocs have cut him for other reasons and then flat out lied in their release.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:07 1 Dec 15

Reply #567728

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"If they have to pay him out then that is basically proof that their reasoning of it being due to his lack of on-court performance is actually a steaming pile of shit. "

How do you figure that? They could have determined that his performances were bad enough to move on without him. Pay out or not, they are moving in a different direction.

In any case, what difference does it make what they said as a reason? Should the club reveal some sort of scandal?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:18 1 Dec 15

Reply #567731

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

THey made a point about it being performance issues. WHy do that it if its not? WHy hurt your team on the court and further alienate fans if it is not even going to save money? Sorry I just don't get it. Makes no logical sense to me. He may be a long way off last years form but he is still a solid starting quality player.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:21 1 Dec 15

Reply #567733

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Not saying they made the right call or handled it well, but jumping to a conclusion that there must be something else going on isn't right either.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:26 1 Dec 15

Reply #567735

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

He was having a average at best season.

They may have figured for his salary/points spot they could get better.

Which to me is quite possible.

I also think they need a more exciting player at his spot as a draw card for fans.

Could probably get a pretty import for the money he would likely be on. Go for a young guy try and un earth the next chris williams or james ennis type.


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paul
Two years ago
13:27 1 Dec 15

Reply #567737

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

His performances were poor, so without evidence of something else I'm inclined to believe that was the reason.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:29 1 Dec 15

Reply #567738

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

If they replace him with another import then fair enough. I would be very happy with that. I just don't like the sound of them dumping a guy for half the season while still having to pay him anyway and then not replacing him. I will shut up about it now and see what unfolds. If the rumour about a top notch import replacement is true then I will be stoked.


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
13:33 1 Dec 15

Reply #567740

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

They probably have to pay him in full unless he's picked up elsewhere. "Elsewhere" may include overseas, depending on the contract terms. It would almost certainly include another NBL club, should one pick him up.

FWIW, this time last season (14 games in), Townsville were 5W-9L. This year they're 4W-10L. They're scoring ~8 points less per game and giving up ~2 points less per game.


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Callisto 75
Two years ago
13:34 1 Dec 15

Reply #567741

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

If the Crocs have cut Conklin and they owe him for the full season bad move. Understandable if not and they can get better for his $$$


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MACDUB
Two years ago
14:20 1 Dec 15

Reply #567748

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Hmm paul you're probably right.

Must mean that something substantial has gone down.

To the extent that you're essentially giving away something you've already paid for.

I understand from a performance/development perspective it MAY make sense as it gives Kay and Young the chance to develop and get good game time.

But surely not good for fans - they need every bit of support they can get and this hasn't gone down well apparently.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
14:28 1 Dec 15

Reply #567750

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I think they're hedging their bets that Conklin gets signed on somewhere else allowing them some financial relief. He wasn't a difference maker for them so I don't hate the move.

1 - Keep him, lose 75% of their remaining games.
2 - Cut him, risk having to pay him, lose 75% of their remaining games.
3 - Cut him, Conklin signs elsewhere, lose 75% of their remaining games.


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LV
Two years ago
14:56 1 Dec 15

Reply #567753

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

If the club is struggling financially and just doesn't think they’re getting bang for their buck this season from Conklin, then you’d think they’d only sack him if they *didn’t* have to pay out his contract?


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LV
Two years ago
14:59 1 Dec 15

Reply #567755

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I guess, on the other hand, Nick Kay has been fairly solid and they did beat Melbourne without Conklin....


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LV
Two years ago
15:02 1 Dec 15

Reply #567756

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I do find it bizarre though, because I doubt they can afford to replace him.

So you'd think they have avoided paying him out....


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Isaac
Two years ago
15:09 1 Dec 15

Reply #567758

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

why even cut him? Makes no sense to me. Can still focus on younger players but keep him for when needed even if that is coming off the bench.
As someone else suggested, if Conklin signs elsewhere, the Crocs are not required to pay out his full contract. Another team could pick him up for minimum, then Crocs pay the difference.


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Train
Two years ago
15:19 1 Dec 15

Reply #567760

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I don't like the chances of any other clubs picking him up this season. Hawks are the only ones with an import slot open but that could mean dropping a club favorite in Davidson or Foreman so I cant see that happening.

Might be worth Perth getting him on board on an off court role, getting him naturalized and replacing Redhage with him next season.


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Train
Two years ago
15:25 1 Dec 15

Reply #567765

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin : "My agent has got a hold of the club, they've breached my contract and we will be seeking the full payment that they pledged."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/30236157/nbl-mvp-conklin-cut-by-crocodiles/



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Dave
Two years ago
15:29 1 Dec 15

Reply #567767

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Club will probably close at the end of the season anyway so by the time they sort out what he needs to be paid there will be nothing to pay it with...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:25 1 Dec 15

Reply #567777

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Crocs could potentially go gamble try sign a big name player for 100 odd k and hope it increases crowd attendance could be a stunt to get bums on seats they will fold other wise so why not waste some money and have a crack at saving the franchise if they continue on with current situation they have no chance

Long shot I know but Maybe a Andrew Bynum , Carlos boozer , Larry sanders , Ben Gordon , Danny granger ... ????

im an avid NBL fan former avid crocs fan but I lost my love of the crocs not because they are now hopeless but because the game nights become very boring basketball is a very stop start game with tim outs etc so there needs to be a draw card and the crocs just don't have that anymore like they did in the mid 2000's


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
16:28 1 Dec 15

Reply #567778

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

There was certainly nothing stop/start about that post.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:02 1 Dec 15

Reply #567784

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Maybe they're doing a Philadelphia 76ers and tanking the season to get a shot at Ben Simmons....wait a second!!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:03 1 Dec 15

Reply #567785

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Hot tip, Gary Ervin to return.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
17:43 1 Dec 15

Reply #567793

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

"Hot tip, Gary Ervin to return."

Makes total sense


not


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Mick
Two years ago
17:54 1 Dec 15

Reply #567795

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Actually that does make total sense if you consider the history of townsville's personnel decisions...

The problem here is that the rationale does not align with reality.

RATIONALE: In the media release, the CEO said missing the playoffs again would be unacceptable and they need to upgrade.

REALITY: the season is halfway done. Sign James Ennis and you still miss the playoffs. Sign anyone short of an all star level NBA talent and you miss the playoffs. They need help at every single position: no one on this team would even start on a title team. Shit, no one on this team would even be 6th man on a title team. Unless they're signing Lebron James, what exactly is this supposed to achieve?


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Kyrie2Nation
Two years ago
18:00 1 Dec 15

Reply #567798

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

The have been playing on heart and passion all season and it will only last so long. Conklin had the heart and passion for the club and taking that away will only make them worse.

Their 3 bigs (not including Froling) are Schenscher (injured) Kay and Young. Schenscer is shit and has been for a long tall. Basically a tree since he can barely move well across the floor any more. Kay is one of their shining lights and Young... well he's just plain average and gives you nothing on offense and misses open layups all the time.


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Anonymouse
Two years ago
18:08 1 Dec 15

Reply #567799

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Train, does Conklin have any quali's in dentistry, Maxillofacial surgery, orthopedic surgery or martial arts? Much needed in Perth.

Thanks
Trev


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paul
Two years ago
18:14 1 Dec 15

Reply #567801

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Crocs were better with Conklin off the court that on it this season. On performance there should be no controversy about him being sacked, but the other factors surrouding it seem strange, at least until we see what the next move is.


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Train
Two years ago
18:20 1 Dec 15

Reply #567802

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

@Anonymouse - You forgot creative accounting and book cooking :P


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
18:20 1 Dec 15

Reply #567803

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I think its likely that its a financial decision so you'd assume that the board has done their homework on their contract before making the decision.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:33 1 Dec 15

Reply #567804

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

When crocs mk 1 folded, I know Colbran paid out the coach's contract, and some of the players out of his own pocket. Honourable man. Can't see this current mob doing that.....


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NBL Fan
Two years ago
19:49 1 Dec 15

Reply #567812

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin said players weren't getting paid last season. If they have to pay out Conklin then they are stuffed. Hopefully they have to since I feel for his family.


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Anon
Two years ago
20:06 1 Dec 15

Reply #567813

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Still don't get it. Here is part of the game review from NBL website


'With a 20-point deficit, Townsville were on their knees by quarter time, but Illawarra showed no mercy. Jarrad Weeks stamped his claim on the Dunk of the Year award, throwing down a LeBron James-like double-pump reverse slam in the third quarter, and from then on it was part time for the locals. Brian Conklin had 20 points in his return game, while fellow Crocs big man Nick Kay (14 points on 6-6 FGs) showed why he is in-line for Rookie of the Year honours.'


So again, tell me how terrible he is and how he is a new father so settling in to that and trying to adjust his game to reduce the risks with his elbow.. but can still put up 20 points and 6 assists. Bearing in mind Damien and Mitch have no hard feelings toward Brian and say its part of the game but he does need to be more controlled with his elbows.

Smells a little bit to me.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:18 1 Dec 15

Reply #567814

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

He has been really bad. Shooting 36 per cent from field and 23 per cent outside of lay-ups and dunks but is taking the most shots on the team. He missed one of the Crocs' wins and didn't perform well in any of the other three.

He was told one of big reasons he was sacked was his +- was very bad, that is the team is better off without him. Great player last year, not worthy of an import spot this year.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:21 1 Dec 15

Reply #567815

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Anon, Tville lost that game by 40 points and it was junk time from the 1st quarter onwards.

The fact that he got some garbage points doesn't change the fact that as Paul said Townsville have been a better team with him off the floor.

The job of an import is cut throat. If you don't help your team win there is a good chance you will be cut, that is the same all over the world.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:27 1 Dec 15

Reply #567816

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Ebi is worthy of an import spot though.... Conklin is better than him.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:34 1 Dec 15

Reply #567817

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I feel like things are going to get messy with payment of Conklin's contract

Hope i'm wrong though.


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Anon
Two years ago
20:36 1 Dec 15

Reply #567818

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I see the game different to you and hold coaches responsible too for how the team is running and players are used. Would love to see him picked up by another club and see how it pans out. Only then will the truth be seen and how the Crocs fair without him as well. We'll wait and see shall we ?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
20:42 1 Dec 15

Reply #567819

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

What has him becoming a father got to do with anything??


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:16 1 Dec 15

Reply #567823

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Chalmers probs just someone pointing out how tough it'd be on a young family to just have a new born and then lose your income! You know compassion and stuff, no need for you to concern yourself with anything like that smh


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
21:25 1 Dec 15

Reply #567824

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

He wasn't using it to bring compassion in to the discussion. He was talking about it in terms of how it did or didn't impact his performances.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
21:36 1 Dec 15

Reply #567826

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

At least we now have confirmation in terminations dates/periods. Its two months after the first game of the season, not a number of games played.


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Nick
Two years ago
22:05 1 Dec 15

Reply #567828

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin had a decent offer from United at the start of the year - turned it down to stay loyal to the crocs and this is what he cops.


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Marcus Camby
Two years ago
22:39 1 Dec 15

Reply #567830

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

All the Crocs need do is to not pay, Conk can chase and chase all he likes, at the ends of the season the Crocs will go into VA again whereby this time they will be wound down.

Conk can be an unsecured creditor for 2c in the dollar.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:48 1 Dec 15

Reply #567831

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

How was Jarrad Weeks' double pump reverse dunk LeBron like? LeBron only has one dunk which is the one hand c0cked-back. No creativity at all.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:51 1 Dec 15

Reply #567832

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Marcus,

I think Conklin suspects that might happen so trying to put the pressure on them publically.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
07:08 2 Dec 15

Reply #567846

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Can't wait for Homicide to return


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snooch
Two years ago
10:41 2 Dec 15

Reply #567872

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

The Crocs better not pull a stunt like that. Last thing the league needs right now is a reputation of imports being sacked and not paid. Wouldn't be a good look at all and we don't want any reason for players to be put off playing in the league.


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Mantis
Two years ago
15:31 2 Dec 15

Reply #567939

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Interesting read:

The MVP vs Clause 10.4

Clause 10.4 of the NBL's Standard Player Contract deals with the Termination of Restricted Players and states that "a restricted player may be employed on probation" and that “the probation period shall end two months after the first regular season game.”

If a restricted player is terminated during that probationary period he is to be paid one month’s salary in lieu of notice but the club is not liable for the remainder of that year’s salary.

Conklin, however, doesn’t see it that way.

Speaking to Rohan O’Neill of the Townsville Bulletin on Monday, he made it clear that he expects his contract to be paid out in full.

“My next move is to make sure my contract is honoured,” Conklin said.

“I’m not a first year import so they are required to pay my full contract and that’s my biggest goal right now.”


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ROFLcopter
Two years ago
15:51 2 Dec 15

Reply #567944

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

For a ratings bonanza and to promote the league in the media, a team needs to sign Conklin for a short term contract so he gets to play against the Crocs.

Would rate it's tits off :)


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kr
Two years ago
16:09 2 Dec 15

Reply #567951

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I noticed Jacob Holmes referring to trying to remove the 2 month probation clause from the rules for the past three years. Not sure why a club taking a punt on an import (generally speaking not just Conklin) should have to pay out a years salary for less than two months work if that player is underperforming.

The ability for Employers in other workplaces to let go employees within a probation period, for lack of performance without unfair dismissal etc is pretty commonplace.

Sounds like it might come down to interpretation of the rules and whether it specifically excludes imports who have played for more than one year.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:12 2 Dec 15

Reply #567952

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

More awesome work by Liam @downtown

My take;

Crocs have used Clause 10.4 in a way it wasn't intended, although they are likely covered by wording in the standard contract (ps I have zero knowledge of contract law, nor have I read the standard nbl contract).

Would it be worth Conklin to challenge this and pay legal fees, etc? He might not be left with much at the end of that process (Crocs would be aware of this).

Voluntary administration has also been mentioned here recently.

Could it be worth Tville (with the help of LK's deep pockets) to organise a fair buyout to make this go away?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:21 2 Dec 15

Reply #567954

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Mantis - It only says ".... may be employed on probation" doesn't say "is" "will be". There is plenty of law that deals with the term "may".

There could be some legal argument to be thrashed out


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PlaymakerMo
Two years ago
17:17 2 Dec 15

Reply #567962

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Jacob Holmes just loves to get in his two cents.

If the Crocs can successfully argue their way out of paying Conklin's full contract, how is this in any way bad for them as an organization or the league?

Fan-favourite or not, if imports aren't performing, it isn't in the best interest of the club or league to stand pat. Not when there are other, potentially better and/or cost-effective options available.

Conklin's termination also generated news within the NBL fanbase, and this generates interest. The NBA thrives on it's continuous news cycle.


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Mantis
Two years ago
17:24 2 Dec 15

Reply #567965

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I was just quoting what I thought was the most important paragraph from the article I linked. And that is exactly why - he "may" be subject to this clause, doesn't say he "must" be. Depends on what was in the actual contract he signed. He obviously believes it doesn't apply to him, for whatever reason.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:43 3 Dec 15

Reply #568185

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

On the flip side can over achieving imports rip up their contracts before 2 months like a Randle, then go to the highest bidder?


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XY
Two years ago
10:58 3 Dec 15

Reply #568188

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

#568185 - No. Would require a FIBA release, and the club in those circumstances would not provide it.


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Isaac
Two years ago
11:27 3 Dec 15

Reply #568194

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

If the Crocs can successfully argue their way out of paying Conklin's full contract, how is this in any way bad for them as an organization or the league?
Not bad for the league or other teams, but for the Crocs it could get them offside with a portion of their fanbase.

They were a solid franchise before the Homicide and Rillie decisions hit them hard. (Which was tough because I could see why they made those decisions.)


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paul
Two years ago
11:31 3 Dec 15

Reply #568195

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I think it's the way they've handled them that has hurt to a degree. In this instance they would have been better off subtly making it known through the press that Conklin was on notice a couple of weeks back to prepare fans. People don't like being shocked.


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Thunder Jam
Two years ago
12:12 3 Dec 15

Reply #568210

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Let's face it NOTHING will get bums on seats in Tvl full stop. They used the tin shed last year as the excuse.Now they are back in the bigger stadium and still no interest. Midweek home games at 6.30 have been the killer blow.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568228

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Re overachieving players asking to be released I was referring to how hypocritical things like this are. If players leave teams for more money clubs, fans are always saying where's the loyalty, yet they cut players all the time like this. If Conklin had left in the off season he would have been viewed as a money grabbing villain. This 2 month rule is ridiculous, teams should do their homework and have to payout full contract, if a player gets injured it should be covered by insurance.


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paul
Two years ago
13:06 3 Dec 15

Reply #568240

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I'm sure they could leave after two months if it were written into their contract.


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Dazz
Two years ago
15:59 4 Dec 15

Reply #568682

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

I'm confused about some people's interpretations?
Is Conklin a "restricted" player?
He seems to think not and that he is entitled to have his contract paid out?
I would not have thought he would be employed on probation in his 3rd(?) year?

I'm usually the last to don the alfoil hat, but I suspect something has happened behind the scenes.

Don't get me wrong, I can fully understand a club not renewing his lucrative contract for next season, or insisting he take less money.
But to dump your start import and captain before the halfway mark? Piss of the fans, and then scramble to find a replacement?
Possibly costing MORE money (if they need to pay out Conklin.)

Dennis has made it clear that he was not involved in the decision.

It has been rumoured/ assumed that LK tipped in money to get the struggling clubs back on their feet. That money would have strings attached, and I wonder if one of them just got yanked?
Have Conklin and the Crocs paid the price for embarrassing the NBL?
He whacked Martin, and whilst Perth fans steamed, there were many that excused him and even thought it was good for ratings. The NBL rushed to judgement and acquitted him, only to have him repeat the performance, requiring a suspension.
Conklin possibly did himself no favours with his public lack of contrition.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568699

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Conklin won't get any money. Crocs if they survive will just re-structure the way Wollongong oops I mean Illawarra did lol


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koberulz
Two years ago
17:40 4 Dec 15

Reply #568727

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Is Conklin a "restricted" player?
He seems to think not
There's no question he's restricted.


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brn
Two years ago
22:56 6 Dec 15

Reply #569464

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

so any news on a new import?


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koberulz
Two years ago
16:10 7 Dec 15

Reply #569622

re: Crocs terminate Brian Conklin's contract

Yes.


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