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Jack Toft
Two years ago

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Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Reports on Ninemsn about Jawai getting racially abused in Auckland on Wednesday's game.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2015/12/03/09/41/breakers-probe-perth-racial-abuse-claims

Comes off the back of a previous post about fans allegedly calling Jawai "Green Mile"

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paul
Two years ago
11:26 3 Dec 15

Reply #568193

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Would you consider 'Green Mile' racist?


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RMQ
Two years ago
11:34 3 Dec 15

Reply #568196

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

If someone is racially offended by it, then yes, it's racist.

While Green Mile is a movie that features a large black man with mystical powers and Tom Hanks with a urinary track infection, the term "Green Mile" could be referencing a number of things.

My understanding is "Green mile" refers to death row. Is the person calling Jawai a criminal? And is he being called a criminal because he is black? This could be seen as racist as in the US-where the term green mile orginates- The highest number of incarcerated people are "black" people.

My personal opinion is the world is overally too PC now, with all these social justice warriors and safe space fanatics, but that said - if someone finds something racist, then it's racist.

That said, if Hugh Greenwood ended up playing for the Wildcats, my friends and I (who are a bunch of mixed races) would have been calling him "Sunshine". After the star blonde californian quarterback in Remember the Titans. Would that have been racist?




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KET
Two years ago
11:39 3 Dec 15

Reply #568198

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

About to say, I haven't heard of "Green Mile" before, must be a US thing


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paul
Two years ago
11:39 3 Dec 15

Reply #568199

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I would have thought they were saying he looks like the character in Green Mile, just as I've heard people refer to Alex Pledger as Lurch.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:46 3 Dec 15

Reply #568201

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

The definition of racism isn't whether someone is offended by it. I don't see Green Mile as being racist at all - he just happens to look like a character from a movie. And no, that doesn't mean all black people look the same.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:47 3 Dec 15

Reply #568202

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Thats not really racist, I was thinking something much more direct and sinister. I guess it depends on the individual but thats kind of funny, when you consider his soft spoken tone and just massive body type. Gleason made it sound like it was 'N***a' this and that...


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568203

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"Gleason made it sound like it was 'N***a' this and that..."

No he didn't. He was very vague in his description.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:54 3 Dec 15

Reply #568204

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

As we say in Western Australia...

"They're a different breed over there in New Zealand!"


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:56 3 Dec 15

Reply #568205

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I await the input of LV.

Racism is Everywhere people


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paul
Two years ago
11:56 3 Dec 15

Reply #568206

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Yeah but they live in the most liveable country in New Zealand.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:59 3 Dec 15

Reply #568207

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I don't actually believe that anything racist was said. I'm sure he was abused but I have no doubt Gleeson wanted to try and create a bigger issue than needed, as if getting the moral high ground is going to offset the loss.


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King Podge
Two years ago
12:03 3 Dec 15

Reply #568208

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"I don't actually believe that anything racist was said." #ThingsWhitePeopleSay


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Luuuc
Two years ago
12:12 3 Dec 15

Reply #568211

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Perth Wildcats Statement

During the first half of Wednesday night's 21-point loss to the NZ Breakers, Perth Wildcats centre Nate Jawai was taunted whilst being subbed out of the game.

As this was an isolated incident limited to one person, Nate and the club have decided to move on and focus on Friday night’s home game against the Adelaide 36ers at Perth Arena.

A win will ensure the Wildcats retain second spot on the NBL ladder.


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paul
Two years ago
12:14 3 Dec 15

Reply #568212

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

""I don't actually believe that anything racist was said." #ThingsWhitePeopleSay"

You've lived a sheltered life if you think racism is a white person thing.


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paul
Two years ago
12:15 3 Dec 15

Reply #568213

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Here is the update on the Breakers' investigation I posted in the game thread.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/74685382/new-zealand-breakers-investigating-racial-abuse-claims-from-perth-wildcats


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Anonymous
Two years ago
12:19 3 Dec 15

Reply #568214

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"If someone is racially offended by it, then yes, it's racist"

What rubbish.


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King Podge
Two years ago
12:19 3 Dec 15

Reply #568215

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Paul I have lived a sheltered life, with my complexion living constantly exposed to the sun wouldn't be fun.....


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paul
Two years ago
12:26 3 Dec 15

Reply #568217

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Haha! Especially not where you live!


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Hendo8888
Two years ago
12:29 3 Dec 15

Reply #568219

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Depends if you consider calling him Baby Shaq racist. He looks just as much like Michael Clarke Duncan as he does Shaquille O'Neal.


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King Podge
Two years ago
12:31 3 Dec 15

Reply #568220

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

#Gingerlifeproblems

Seriously though, if you're going to racially abuse someone perhaps an almost 7ft 143kg man isn't the best target........

I long for simpler days when morons just poured beer on players....


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paul
Two years ago
12:32 3 Dec 15

Reply #568221

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Perhaps the Breakers can find a senile 83-year-old father of a valued employee to blame?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:04 3 Dec 15

Reply #568238

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"If someone is racially offended by it, then yes, it's racist."

I am racially offended by black people.


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Curtley
Two years ago
13:14 3 Dec 15

Reply #568250

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"Of Torres Strait Islander decent" The dude's Torres Strait Islander. I love it how people are defending what was said even though no one actually knows what was said. The 'Green Mile' post the other day alluded to Jawai being called it, while another black player was called "Monkey". Now is it possible they may have also referred to him in those terms or should we only worry about what was 'maybe' said to Jawai that wasn't as bad?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:18 3 Dec 15

Reply #568255

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Yeah Gleason def made it sound like it was a full on remark. That was my take Chalmers, I think you even agreed in a round about way when you said Gleason wanted to make it into something it wasnt to offset a crap Perth performance.


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
13:19 3 Dec 15

Reply #568257

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

is Joe the cameraman still around, he was a good scapegoat


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:22 3 Dec 15

Reply #568261

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

What? We're basically saying that saying one black guy looking like another black guy (as was suggested earlier in the week) isn't racist. Its got nothing to do with what may or may not have been said to Jawai last night.


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rusty
Two years ago
13:22 3 Dec 15

Reply #568262

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I was watching the Roast of Justin Bieber and someone compared Shaq with King Kong. Everyone just laughed, including Shaq. Perhaps because it was said by a black person. So I assume we'd have to find out whether the "Green mile" or whatever name calling was made by a black person, to ascertain the veracity of the racism accusation.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:23 3 Dec 15

Reply #568264

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

^That was in response to Curtley.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:26 3 Dec 15

Reply #568267

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I think Chalmers' POV is not at all a comment about the NZ crowd or the incident itself, but more a general comment about Gleeson's nature - that he's the type to go over the top in the heat of the moment. That's something I would agree with.
Not to say that something nasty wasn't said to Nate, but there's also the possibility that it was something borderline or misinterpreted.

If the comment was seriously racist then I would expect the club to take a proper stand on it, as opposed to their pointless "statement" today, and I would also guess that the Breakers' own investigation - in which presumably they spoke with other people in the area who may have heard the taunts - would have found something.

It's all just speculation for now though.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:26 3 Dec 15

Reply #568268

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Exactly rusty it's only racist if a white person says it... which is racism in itself. what a joke


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:30 3 Dec 15

Reply #568270

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Gleeson is known for blowing things out of proportion and I say that as a Perth fan.
Only Jawai and those in the crowd know what was allegedly said.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:32 3 Dec 15

Reply #568272

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Saying somebody looks like another individual is not racist, if the N word or monkey/ape etc is used then that is terribly racist.
Saying he looks like Shaq or "green mile" is no different to saying Knight looks like the sleazy cook from Two Broke Girls!


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LV
Two years ago
13:41 3 Dec 15

Reply #568276

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

No shortage of drama in the NBL this season.

Sounds like it's been overblown, from Clarke's comments you would think they'd find some evidence (ie: A witness) by now if anything racist had been said. All will move on and will be forgotten shortly, I imagine.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:43 3 Dec 15

Reply #568278

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

So it's not racist to say someone looks like somone something what if someone does look like a monkey/ape?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:44 3 Dec 15

Reply #568279

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Ebi Ere reminds me of Lunch Money Lewis.
Just physical resemblance LOL


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568281

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

If you ain't white it's open season but if you white you can't say anything anymore!

Themes just the rules although really in Australua it's the Kooris/Abiringnals who feel hard done by as everyone else came out if choice but as a mini USA we make everyone who's white racist.


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bats
Two years ago
13:57 3 Dec 15

Reply #568287

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Hi All, I always read the posts topics but really need to input into this as i was right there.
My season seats are in row B right behind the visitors so about 5metres away. i can hand on heart say i did not hear any racial comment, nor any comments specifically directed to Nate. I did hear a few comments to Wagstaff and Jervis but those were about fouls and dirty play. Be interesting to see if any audio or similar or any witnesses appear?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:13 3 Dec 15

Reply #568299

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

What comments were directed at Jervis?

"Hey Tom, ya knob, you don't deserve to have four fouls because the refs just f***ed you over!!"


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
14:19 3 Dec 15

Reply #568302

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

BTW bats, thanks for your comment. I believe you when you say nothing racist was directed at Nate, although others have said there was definitely a bit of abuse given to him.

I think the Cats have moved on for a reason.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
14:52 3 Dec 15

Reply #568312

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Really sad story. Just want to find the guy and give him a spray.

Sad that one guy lets the whole crowd done with that kind of behaviour.

Yes, in NZ, we are probably slightly backwards in our use of technology etc.

But we were the most socially advanced country in the world in 2014 and number 5 this year. We're certainly not backwards when it comes to social matters - very diverse, accepting and open arms country.

Therefore this is really disappointing and makes me angry. If racial, ban the guy for life


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paul
Two years ago
14:57 3 Dec 15

Reply #568315

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

The Wildcats have backtracked and the Breakers investigation has found no evidence, so there's no need to get angry mate!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/74715732/nz-breakers-boss-says-club-vindicated-by-perth-backtrack-on-racial-abuse-claims

I'm also pleased the Breakers took a very mature approach to this, rather than lashing out with the type of sentiments used above to get the moral high ground, which is often the first reaction in an instance like this rather than finding out what happened.


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Isaac
Two years ago
15:01 3 Dec 15

Reply #568317

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Melbourne is the most LVable city, for sure. (Please tell me no one's beaten me to that joke yet...)


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:03 3 Dec 15

Reply #568319

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

The real tragedy of this issue is that we were forced to read articles from Stuff.co.nz


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ROFLcopter
Two years ago
15:11 3 Dec 15

Reply #568320

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

"So it's not racist to say someone looks like somone something what if someone does look like a monkey/ape?"

EXACTLY!

The Adam Goodes thing springs to mind. Goodes with his hair and beard genuinely does/did look like an ape. It was such a beat up at the time and sadly it divided the community. If he shaved his beard and ceased looking like an ape....does it then become racist to call him an ape....or was it racist all along?


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paul
Two years ago
15:24 3 Dec 15

Reply #568325

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

I don't think you should compare a long-running racist smear of likening black people with apes because they are supposedly less evolved (even though I doubt the little girl was intending that) with comparing two people who look alike. They are two very different things.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:34 3 Dec 15

Reply #568334

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Stay classy ROFLcopter


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Silencer83
Two years ago
15:35 3 Dec 15

Reply #568335

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

From the article:

{Asked if the fan in question had gone over the line of decency, Clarke said: "Not at all. My understanding is the comments were along the lines of 'Get back in your seat or get back on the bus'. That is not abusive."}



Not hard to see that Nate could mishear that as "Get to your seat at the back of the bus"


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:38 3 Dec 15

Reply #568336

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Why would anyone sledge anyone with "...get back on the bus"? Silencer's explanation makes much more sense.


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skull
Two years ago
15:44 3 Dec 15

Reply #568337

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Reports of Facial abuse on Jawai...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:46 3 Dec 15

Reply #568338

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

ROFLcopter exactly but due to PC BS it means you are evil for saying it.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
15:51 3 Dec 15

Reply #568343

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

No, it means you are ignorant for saying it.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:54 3 Dec 15

Reply #568346

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

spade is a spade. fk this pc virus infecting our lives


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Camel 31
Two years ago
16:03 3 Dec 15

Reply #568351

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Presently illegal to racial abuse. Fed Govt keen to change that and make it legal to racial abuse


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:06 3 Dec 15

Reply #568352

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Unebelievable if it is a crime.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
16:07 3 Dec 15

Reply #568353

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

You're really defending your right to use racial slurs to insult someone, instead of the complete opposite which is not using slurs? Best to err on the side of racism, I guess.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:12 3 Dec 15

Reply #568354

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

relax you pc drama queen

how about the authorities focus on real crime


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Isaac
Two years ago
18:20 3 Dec 15

Reply #568388

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Anon, thankfully you're not embarrassing yourself associating wilful ignorance with an alias or name. Must be quite the burden suffering a minor restriction in order to not offend someone.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
19:01 3 Dec 15

Reply #568396

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Macdub


We're u there. I was. Heard and saw nothing

A beat up. Goodness me. Jawai gets told to sit down. A taunt according to Perth on n there statement. Compare this to the constant barrage of of sheep jokes the breakers get.

Before u give anyone a spray suggest u get some facts. Otherwise u are just as bad as Gleeson, who should be reprimanded for bringing game into disrepute.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
19:52 3 Dec 15

Reply #568406

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Where did he get told to sit?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:09 3 Dec 15

Reply #568492

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

They should have called in security. They would have sorted it immediately.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:14 3 Dec 15

Reply #568493

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Unless he got told to sit at the back of the bench it probably was nothing


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:31 3 Dec 15

Reply #568494

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Green Mile is pretty funny, Blind Side and Precious are some others I've heard.
Its just resemblance, if you think its racist you're an sjw lefty that lives in Melbourne , the Australian capital of sjw progressive tolerant society.


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paul
Two years ago
07:45 4 Dec 15

Reply #568506

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Yeah but it's the most liveable capital of sjw progressive tolerant society.


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Jodiechrist
Two years ago
10:29 4 Dec 15

Reply #568539

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

Wow this thread went downhill quickly. Poor white people, the true victims of racism.


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Isaac
Two years ago
10:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568544

re: Reports of racial abuse on Jawai

From the latest article about it.

However,The West Australian understands the Wildcats are adamant the term "monkey" was used. Perth asked for more security after the incident.

The Wildcats sought to distance themselves from the controversy early yesterday, holding off on any submission to the NBL.

But it is understood they could change their position after tonight's game against the Adelaide 36ers at Perth Arena.


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