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Anonymous
Two years ago

#38599

Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Laugh at people saying Goulding or Webster. Ogilvy is the mvp this season. No arguments there. Absolutely kills it every game. If any other player gets it the Nbl is a joke league

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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:49 3 Dec 15

Reply #568451

re: MVP

Agreed ogilvy is mvp easily


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ROFLcopter
Two years ago
20:52 3 Dec 15

Reply #568454

re: MVP

Tonight he looked like MVP.

Does go quiet


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:54 3 Dec 15

Reply #568456

re: MVP

If Ogilvy keeps this up he would be an extremely worthy winner. Absolutelt quality centre.

But i disagree that its as clear cut as you make it out to be. Laughing at people suggesting Webster is stupid considering he is averaging 24.9ppg on 46%FG, 40% 3 and 77% FT and his team has gone something like 7-1 since his return.

Not saying Webster is anymore above Ogilvy. Just pointing out that your overexaggeration is unwarranted.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:55 3 Dec 15

Reply #568457

re: MVP

Ogilvy or Webster


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MACDUB
Two years ago
20:56 3 Dec 15

Reply #568458

re: MVP

Actually wouldn't mind seeing AJ win even though I'm a Breakers fan.

Want him to go to Rio and that may finally get the attention of the Boomers (considering they've seemed to undervalue him for some time)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
20:58 3 Dec 15

Reply #568460

re: MVP

@MACDUB With the voting system the way it is, in a tight year missing a few games will likely be the difference between winning and losing (same for Randle).

The other thing working against Webster is how good Ced is and how many votes he gets.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
21:01 3 Dec 15

Reply #568464

re: MVP

Webster or Ogilvy but its close...


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:03 3 Dec 15

Reply #568465

re: MVP

Using that logic Penney and lisch take votes away from Ogilvy then


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LV
Two years ago
21:05 3 Dec 15

Reply #568466

re: MVP

So far Ogilvy, then Jackson.

Then daylight.

Lisch a chance despite missing 4 games, as are Randle and Webster who missed 3 and 4.

Holt and Goulding have dropped off the pace but still an outside chance if they have great second half of the season. Beal not out of it either. Penney is probably the Hawks third but still top 8 or 9 in the league.


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LV
Two years ago
21:06 3 Dec 15

Reply #568467

re: MVP

Not sure I buy the votes argument

To look at it another way, other than 1 or 2 good performances from Forman, Coenraad and weeks, pretty much no other Hawk will have got any votes this season.


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MACDUB
Two years ago
21:06 3 Dec 15

Reply #568468

re: MVP

From memory, Penney has won 3-4 Fox Sports player of the games. Not sure how much that aligns with the voting system though.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:11 3 Dec 15

Reply #568469

re: MVP

Penney and lisch will take votes away from Ogilvy although right now he is;

5th in Points
5th in Rebounds
4th in Blocks
1st in Steals
1st in PER

Hasn't missed a game.

There is still a decent amount left in the season and Webster, Randle or others (I think Jett will get a lot of votes the second half of the year) could catch up.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
21:16 3 Dec 15

Reply #568470

re: MVP

No one at Adelaide will be taking the votes away from Randle, he has led them in scoring every game I think since being here. DJ not even as explosive as previous seasons. I keep forgetting how they vote this MVP thing and if thats the case id be going Randle.


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Isaac
Two years ago
21:19 3 Dec 15

Reply #568471

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

You can talk about current favourites, but with the Perth error in voting, Beal or Knight would probably be travelling quite well about now.

Ogilvy was my pre-season bet. Knight was my bet after the Perth news got out.

Webster could be a decent chance.


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koberulz
Two years ago
21:25 3 Dec 15

Reply #568473

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

What Perth news?

I've got Ogilvy on 18 votes, Webster 17, DJ 16, Beal 15.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
21:42 3 Dec 15

Reply #568477

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Isaac you just pen Pandora's box!!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:37 3 Dec 15

Reply #568486

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Randle, not enough players on the team taking votes away from him.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:32 3 Dec 15

Reply #568495

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

It's half way through the season lol


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LV
Two years ago
08:23 4 Dec 15

Reply #568514

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Kobe, how are you calculating your votes?

Each coach gets 10 votes to allocate after each game, with a maximum of 5 going to one player. So 20 total available votes from each game. Unless the system has changed?


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Bear
Two years ago
08:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568525

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Weeks!

:)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
09:20 4 Dec 15

Reply #568533

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

He doesn't kill it every game....was out played by DJ a couple of games ago.

Still...a worthy candidate at this point in the season.


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just ask me
Two years ago
10:33 4 Dec 15

Reply #568541

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

The system for voting can cause abnormal allocation of votes. Each team has a total of 10 votes to disperse as they see fit, meaning if they wanted to be dicks about it they could lop side the votes for their own team like 8-2, therefore giving their players a leg up in the voting.
It should be you have 5 votes to give for each team, with a minimum of 2 votes given to either team, just to ensure some level of equality.


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paul
Two years ago
10:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568545

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I think you should just vote on the other team.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
10:49 4 Dec 15

Reply #568549

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I would rather a brownlow style voting system .
Ogilvy or Webster imo


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Isaac
Two years ago
10:51 4 Dec 15

Reply #568551

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

koberulz, someone's dedicated voter had apparently been voting only for players from their own team. Took almost half the season before someone noticed.


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paul
Two years ago
11:02 4 Dec 15

Reply #568556

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Surely those votes should now be discounted?


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Kobe24
Two years ago
11:07 4 Dec 15

Reply #568557

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

They wont waived, Perth's main men will lose their shit. Pretty dumb to get that wrong. The voting system and who votes needs to be changed for mine.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
11:17 4 Dec 15

Reply #568565

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Ogilvy vs baynes 1 on 1....
Who would win the battle?


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Isaac
Two years ago
11:19 4 Dec 15

Reply #568568

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

paul, from what I heard, they don't feel they can be changed. They're locked in.

I think someone posted on Hoops about commentators discussing it during one game, saying that Beal was leading the MVP race?

Knight was paying $51 for MVP when I heard. Figured he would have the respect of other coaches and Perth's record should put him in the picture at least.


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paul
Two years ago
11:23 4 Dec 15

Reply #568570

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

They have to do something about it, maybe halve the votes, because if a Perth player wins it would be a sham, real bush league stuff!


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:25 4 Dec 15

Reply #568571

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I don't see why they can't resubmit the votes. Have the coaching staff re-watch each game so far and revise who they voted for.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:29 4 Dec 15

Reply #568573

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

They definitely need to fix it because as paul said, it would be shambolic if a Perth player won, and it would allow the simple people like Kobe24 to claim it is another Perth conspiracy.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:36 4 Dec 15

Reply #568576

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"I think you should just vote on the other team."

Only if you want your list of league MVPs to be full of Brian Wethers types - guys who stand out due to having no decent teammates because their teams suck.
No thanks!


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Kobe24
Two years ago
12:07 4 Dec 15

Reply #568586

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I don't believe in Perth conspiracy buddy. I just think they try to bully there way in the door on a lot of stuff. Could see Marvin thinking this would appear dumb on his coaches behalf and try sweep it under the table... Simple? Reverting to your childlike name calling. It's getting mate.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:09 4 Dec 15

Reply #568587

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Yes that is very simple.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
12:24 4 Dec 15

Reply #568589

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

It's getting old... New phone predictive txt. Anyways stop being a dick is my point.


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Wilson Sting
Two years ago
12:27 4 Dec 15

Reply #568590

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I'd rather see an American style system where respected journalists (ok, you can stop laughing now), former players, coaches, industry experts (like us, start laughing again) sit down at the end of the season and nominate say their top 5 or 10 players then total them up.

That way if a player is a standout for 75% of games they'll still have a chance of winning, instead of someone playing well for 100% of games but never really dominating.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
12:28 4 Dec 15

Reply #568591

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

You're the one who said that Perth's main men wont allow a recount. What are you basing that on? Your anti-Perth comments in almost every thread is what is getting old.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
13:02 4 Dec 15

Reply #568599

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

It's my opinion though, Nick Marvin wouldn't like the look of his coaching staff not being able to fill out a simple MVP voting card. That's my opinion. And furthermore he would try and block all media attention to it. Why does that have to be anti Perth? Your just defensive over ever negative Perth comment like your defending your missus.


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mystro
Two years ago
13:07 4 Dec 15

Reply #568601

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"Your just defensive over ever negative Perth comment like your defending your missus."

Truth


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Kobe24
Two years ago
13:09 4 Dec 15

Reply #568603

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Anyways he ain't worth the words typed. Randle for mvp of the Perth thing is sorted but that's more hope as a fan. If not between Ogilvy and Webster as best players in league and importance in their teams success.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
13:12 4 Dec 15

Reply #568604

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

The MVP award lost credibility for me when Conklin won it playing on the worst team.
Let the media decide if the coaches cant.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:14 4 Dec 15

Reply #568606

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Yeah Clarke getting it over Ennis was damaging, but then Conklin winning last year took it a step even further into token award territory.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:24 4 Dec 15

Reply #568607

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"It's my opinion though, Nick Marvin wouldn't like the look of his coaching staff not being able to fill out a simple MVP voting card. That's my opinion. And furthermore he would try and block all media attention to it. "

So you conclude that instead of the flawed voting being fixed, Marvin will take a stand and say he wants the votes to count? Even though a Cats player winning via the mistake will raise more questions than fixing the error?

Your opinion is wrong.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:28 4 Dec 15

Reply #568609

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

If anything, the NBL would be the one who isn't looking to fix the issue as it took them almost half the season to realise that someone had been making a mistake. They are the ones that can change it but aren't.


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
13:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568612

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

It's Chalmers v The World today. You okay bud?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568613

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

All good thanks.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:44 4 Dec 15

Reply #568615

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Seems nuts that the NBL didn't pick this up very early on in the piece. At the very latest, in round 3 when the Crocs beat the Cats here in Perth.
Very bush league :/


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Touch the rim
Two years ago
13:45 4 Dec 15

Reply #568616

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Haha good man


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:51 4 Dec 15

Reply #568617

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"Seems nuts that the NBL didn't pick this up very early on in the piece. At the very latest, in round 3 when the Crocs beat the Cats here in Perth."

Its just my opinion but the league did pick it up but Nick Marvin overruled them and said the votes stand, so do the votes for the next five rounds which we will also do incorrectly. It will be less embarrassing this way. Thats just my opinion.


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mystro
Two years ago
13:56 4 Dec 15

Reply #568618

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"If anything, the NBL would be the one who isn't looking to fix the issue as it took them almost half the season to realise that someone had been making a mistake. They are the ones that can change it but aren't."

The league will need to appease the other fan bases and owners so you would expect that something will need to be done about the Perth votes.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
13:57 4 Dec 15

Reply #568619

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

There's no doubt whatsoever that's what happened. I reckon.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
14:14 4 Dec 15

Reply #568625

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

My opinion may be dead wrong BUT what gives you the right to belittle anyone you don't agree with. Hence your dick, no one else mocks others like you do. So just calling you out on it


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paul
Two years ago
14:15 4 Dec 15

Reply #568626

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"Yeah Clarke getting it over Ennis was damaging"

Maybe to those who judge basketball on dunks!


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Luuuc
Two years ago
14:22 4 Dec 15

Reply #568627

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Personally I judge it on wins


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paul
Two years ago
14:30 4 Dec 15

Reply #568633

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Haha, but I couldn't find Ennis anywhere on the NBL ladder!


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Luuuc
Two years ago
14:44 4 Dec 15

Reply #568639

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

If you look at the scoring ladder you'll find him at #3. Rebounding #4. Steals #2.
Looks at the standings and you'll find his team #1 with a 21-7 record. You'll see Rotnei's with a losing record. 13-15.

Seriously though, I get that most people hate Perth and will never concede anything positive about them. But it's weird when others who claim to be less partisan can't see obvious things.
Anyway I said enough about that at the time. Can't be arsed going over it all again.

If the NBL wants their MVP award to be the "My Teammates Suck" award, then stick to the current system, or even better, go with Paul's well-considered suggestion.


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koberulz
Two years ago
14:54 4 Dec 15

Reply #568644

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Kobe, how are you calculating your votes?

Each coach gets 10 votes to allocate after each game, with a maximum of 5 going to one player. So 20 total available votes from each game. Unless the system has changed?
I've just been doing 3-2-1 for each game. Far easier than trying to allocate 20 votes for every game.


koberulz, someone's dedicated voter had apparently been voting only for players from their own team. Took almost half the season before someone noticed.
Is there a rule that says you can't, though?

The MVP award lost credibility for me when Conklin won it playing on the worst team.
I don't remember Conklin playing for Wollongong.


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paul
Two years ago
15:01 4 Dec 15

Reply #568647

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

"Looks at the standings and you'll find his team #1 with a 21-7 record. You'll see Rotnei's with a losing record. 13-15. "

That would be a fair comparison if their two teams were spending the same money, but with the huge disparity between the two it's pointless.

Ennis was not obviously better than Clarke or Goulding that year, and from memory the three of them were very close in the voting.

BTW saying "I get that most people hate Perth" seems a little deluded and indicates your own bias more than anything else, hence why you think Ennis winning was "obvious".


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paul
Two years ago
15:14 4 Dec 15

Reply #568652

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I had Chris Goulding just ahead of Ennis and Clarke as MVP that year, but had no problem with whoever of that trio won it. Out of interest here was how various commentators called the 2013/14 MVP at the time:

Steve Chalmers (P&R): James Ennis
Dean Zardo (P&R): James Ennis
Liam Santamaria: Chris Goulding
Jenna O'Hea: Chris Goulding
Matt Smith: James Ennis
Roy Ward: Chris Goulding
Tommy Greer: Chris Goulding
ATF Fan Poll: Chris Goulding
Boti Nagy: Rotnei Clarke


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:21 4 Dec 15

Reply #568653

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

more proof that the system is crap if only 1 out of 8 agreed with the winner


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:29 4 Dec 15

Reply #568658

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

How is Ogilvy on the road?

This Hawks team is hilarious, unbelievable at home, yet TRAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH on the road.

Oh, who have the beat on the road? The Kings with no Childress and Harrington? LOL

And the Crocs? HAHAHAHAHA...

They got humiliated on the road against the Wildcats and 36ers.


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paul
Two years ago
15:32 4 Dec 15

Reply #568659

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

What an honour, the blowout troll has graced us with his presence early today!


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Kobe24
Two years ago
15:33 4 Dec 15

Reply #568661

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I thought he was blocked last night.... LOL he has weaselled his way back in LOL HAHA


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:37 4 Dec 15

Reply #568664

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Why would i be blocked? Because i dont worship the NBL like you guys?

I call it as it is...

FACT 1...On most nights, you will not see a competitive game in the NBL.

FACT 2. The refereeing is absolutely comical ( i am still wondering why Prather got 2 FTs against the Wildcats when he didnt have the ball in his hands and they werent in the bonus)

FACT 3. Tim Dinaghy got caught cheating by luck by another organisation. I put the question as to how you can have trust and confidence this doesnt happen anywhere else?

FACT 4. Its an 8 team comp, yet it is rare to see a close game in this league.

These are FACTS...


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Kobe24
Two years ago
15:40 4 Dec 15

Reply #568665

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

I dont get it, if you dont like the NBL, thats cool, but why constantly come too a NBL orientated site and comment more than anyone about it. I dont like golf, and guess what Ive never once searched out a gold forum to express it constantly. Im quite amused by you actually! LOL at me for admitting that.


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paul
Two years ago
15:42 4 Dec 15

Reply #568668

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Ooooh he was so close to the quadrella! Just forgot to mention that the NBL is a joke somewhere in his post!


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Kobe24
Two years ago
15:45 4 Dec 15

Reply #568672

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Actually Fact 1 and 4 are very similar, both implying the games are not close. Im feeling ripped on that, I need another fact pronto!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
15:48 4 Dec 15

Reply #568676

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

fact 2 seems dodgy considering prather plays for the wildcats


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paul
Two years ago
15:51 4 Dec 15

Reply #568678

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Fact three is a bit dodgy too. Tim 'Dinaghy' isn't reffing any more AFAIK so probably won't get caught anywhere else.


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Isaac
Two years ago
15:59 4 Dec 15

Reply #568681

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Is there a rule that says you can't, though?
I think it's been done in this way for a long time and by all teams. Nielsen just didn't know.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
16:02 4 Dec 15

Reply #568683

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

How can he not be informed of this! I just dont get how that happens... and how it gets out at this stage of the season.


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mystro
Two years ago
16:16 4 Dec 15

Reply #568685

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Blowout Troll instantly made this thread awesome.....
#NBLSUX4LYFE
#BLOWOUTTROLLJUSTNEEDSACUDDLE


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:18 4 Dec 15

Reply #568687

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

what will we all laugh at if clint dogg ever gets a job?


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:45 4 Dec 15

Reply #568702

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Don't block the blowout troll.
Clowns like him, LV and Kobe24 provide comic relief when threads get boring.


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LV
Two years ago
16:49 4 Dec 15

Reply #568708

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Is this for real?

Perth were voting only for their own players?

Damn!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:51 4 Dec 15

Reply #568711

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Perth are really into themselves so of course they were the ones voting for their own team, not surprised in the slightest.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
16:52 4 Dec 15

Reply #568712

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

NBL MVP voting system/criteria/however they come up with the winner has been a joke going back to Brian Wethers.


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LV
Two years ago
17:01 4 Dec 15

Reply #568714

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

The best system is the NBA's or something like it.

Choose 10 respected journalists, get them to do a 5,4,3,2,1 then tally up the votes and you have your winner. In a tie situation the guy with the most 5 pointers wins. If still even, go with the guy who got the most 4 pointers and so on . If still even then have a dual winner.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
17:18 4 Dec 15

Reply #568720

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Yay i got a special mention!


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koberulz
Two years ago
17:30 4 Dec 15

Reply #568724

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

The NBA's system is fantastic at choosing the most popular player, the second-best player after the player who's won too many MVPs, the player who would make the best media story if he won MVP, the player who should've won it two years ago but we gave it to that media story guy so we have to give him one this year, and the player who has performed best late in the season so it's fresh in everyone's memory.


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Ricky
Two years ago
17:39 4 Dec 15

Reply #568726

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Nice, that means we can give the MVP to Ennis this year after he got robbed in 2014. The first retrospective MVP of it's kind.


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Troll_hater
Two years ago
19:47 4 Dec 15

Reply #568783

re: Ogilvy should be NBL MVP

Hey blowout troll, go drink some wet cement


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