Elwers
Years ago

Player movements in Big V D1 or D2?

Anyone know of any big player signings or movement so far for Big V D1 & D2?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

W'Bool
Big man Liam Kiley making the step up to SCM

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Mitch Chapman to Casey D1 mens

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Most of Sherbrooke players are headed to Warrandyte

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Nathan Sobey to Warrnambool.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Which Sherbrooke players are heading to Warrandyte ??

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phobos  
Years ago

That's a huge signing for Casey

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Elwers  
Years ago

That is a massive signing for Casey and loss for Warrnambool, havent seen much on Big V website other than Sobey to Warrnambool and Everstyn to Chelsea

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phobos  
Years ago

How is signing Sobey a loss for Warnambool?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

D1M sounds like a 3 horse race

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Elwers  
Years ago

Phobos I meant losing Kiley to SCM, gaining Sobey is massive

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Warrnambool have also lost Curtis Ryan to College haven't they ??

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Anonsense  
Years ago

Rumblings of player discontent at Blackburn.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Why, who ??

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anonymous  
Years ago

Geelong Division 1 team.

http://supercats.com.au/bigv-d1m-team-2016/

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Matt Brasser at Chelsea

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anonymous  
Years ago

7'0" Jason Everstyn to Chelsea

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How old is Jason Everstyn these days ??

He struggled when he was younger, will be interesting to see how he goes now.

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Tic Tok  
Years ago

Everstyn is 34, having an Ex-NBL 7 footer makes them legit. especially with ex-SEABL player Williams, Corey and Brasser

Put tankov in there and that's a dam good first 5

Not sure if they have any depth on the bench

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone know why the Big V refuse Melton to go to SCM?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Because the league want SCM to be a 12 team competition

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anonymous  
Years ago

So you let a defunct team like Knox straight into Championship Men but refuse Melton & Casey to go up??? Doesn't make sense when those two teams would easily compete.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Manny playing in Canada NBL this season so won't be back.Hearing Steelers may withdraw from Big V due to money troubles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Knox are slot bigger than those club so either send them straight to SCM or risk them just sitting out another year or two then going straight back into as SEABL. Plus they will loose all the good juniors if they are playing div 1/2.

The league will be backing on Knox be competitive but not dominating and staying long term in SCM.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Casesy, Melton and another team D1M, not sure who but I think La Trobe, all applied for SCM but there would have only been two spots Casey complained that Melton should NOT go up (even after winning the league). So the easiest thing was that no body went up. As a result the league changed the rules at the AGM to allow promotion relegation in SCM for the champion team in D1M

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The problem with the Div 1 finals set up from last season is a team can have a great 1 off game and eliminate the best teams Geelong did to Casey in week 1.

This means that the potential title winner could be the 5th to 8th best team over the course of the season and be offered the chance to be promoted because of an unlikely week 1 finals upset.

Surely if this was the case the champion team would still have the option of declining the promotion offer if they think they are not ready to compete at SCM ??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They can still decline if they wish and others can still apply if they wish as well.

It's a big step that required big spending in the first few years to establish in the league with good imports and coaching.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Correct costs are huge when you need to add another import etc.

Some of the country teams would battle with finances and player depth.

Look at the young Shepparton list as an example, nearly won it last year after coming up from Div 2 and the to take another step with young small bodies wouldn't work.

Not sure how financial teams like them, Mildura, Warrnambool etc would be also.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's not only import costs but also the need for extra depth amongst the locals which many country teams don't have as it is an older Comp as a general rule do having a couple of experienced heads is a big thing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thats what I said in my 2nd line.....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Coincidence that an overpriced imports previous clubs both get left in a mess financially?

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?  
Years ago

Any one know what's the go with Westernport next year? I hear they are in a bit of a mess financially and may not be able to run the Big V program in its current format

Manny and the steelers have parted ways with a year left on his contract

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Manny playing for Windsor Express in NBL Canada.Steelers down over $100k and may pull out of Big V as a result.

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Vesta  
Years ago

True, WP considering not playing Big V next season. I don't know actual numbers but have heard their debt is six figures and that's why Manny is not coming back

My suggestion would be to have a year off and get things sorted and return in 2017

They did that back around 2003/4 and it worked out well for them

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So if this happens a 2nd time in 12 or so years it seems like that the crew down at WP are slow learners....

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Vesta  
Years ago

Unfortunately like most clubs the decision makers are never around for long enough

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If they are that far in debt it would be irresponsible of them to put a Big V team in.

Board members must think past their own egos.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What sort of team would they have without Manny ??

Who else do they have that is decent ??

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Anonymous  
Years ago

People make calls to pay guys more because the ego rather than the results or gain for local community. The clubs & local ladies love it thou

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Happy Days  
Years ago

I think it would be fair to say this season they paid players well over there market value. Don't spend what you can't afford....

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X  
Years ago

Without Manny they would have horrible this year. He carried them big time. D2M sounds like it's improved a bit from the season just gone, no Manny they probably only win a handful of games and finish bottom end of the ladder like they had been for the past few years before this year

Pull the men's team but try and build something that's going to be sustainable

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Anonymous  
Years ago

First Southern Penn then Sherbrooke
And now possibly WP. Almost seems as these clubs put all
Their eggs in one basket and when that goes pear shaped
It's all over. What a shame for the long term success of
The league

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paul  
Years ago

I'd like to see Big V introduce a points system similar to a number of local footy leagues so clubs are forced to promote their own talent rather than just piecing together a jiggsaw roster most seasons.

In some respects it's a meaningless competition as it currently stands.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

An example:1 point for home grown player,2 for a Big V Aussie, 3 for Seabl Aussie,4 points for import.

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HO  
Years ago

Interesting Paul, half the clubs wouldn't be able to enter in the first year!

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Bear  
Years ago

Paul, that is an idea I expect the Big V has had on the table before, certainly some kind of format to help even up the competition isn't out of the question, if that is why it should be introduced...

Worth a thread in itself I'd imagine!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great idea Paul, would also help with the grading of teams

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone know where any of the WP players are heading?

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Bear  
Years ago

Add this, zero points for a rookie or teenage development player even if that player comes from another Association, in their first year, then assess them as a 1 point player if they are local home grown and if the players who are from another Association decide to stay they are also 1 point for that club which is developing them.

Additional points will then apply on transfer, this helps keep players and develop juniors IMHO!

Just something to throw into the points system discussion...

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interested  
Years ago

Why would clubs invest so much money into their D2 team that it may see them go broke.
Surely players at the D2 level aren't at the level or achieved enough to warrant payment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It isn't the payment, it is the amount of the payment.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Great idea Bear!

As for Westernports payments what a waste of money

Clubs like Paky need to take this as a warning

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pakenham Warriors have signed former Perth Wildcats captain Brad Robbins

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paul  
Years ago

He's a Pakky boy oringinally, isn't he?

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Phobos  
Years ago

As much of a Pakky boy as Brett Rainbow

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Happy Days  
Years ago

He was originally Knox showing my age....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Riggs (ex Frankston Jnr)returns from college and will sign with Chelsea.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Pakenham Warriors sign Brad Robbins ( ex wildcats nbl ) Ben Gaze ( Rangers SEABL) and Josh Smith ( Suns SCM )

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interested  
Years ago

Some teams being very active and building solid rosters.
Read the article on the BigV website.

It would appear teams like Bulleen, Hawthorn will struggle unless they have been doing some quiet recruiting.

Might be a huge divide between the top teams and the bottom teams.

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Anoymous  
Years ago

Some of these rumors are quite funny.

Sth Pen New court is a new one and very funny as they only have 2 senior teams. WP in D2 paying players is just pointless, Manny was the only player to receive any dollars. Mornington have $$ but just not the brains.

Apparently Manny is playing in Europe out of France.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lol southern pen lost a starter because wp threw cash at him

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interested  
Years ago

Is there any salary cap or is this monitored at all by BV in any of the leagues?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Spend as much as you want on who you want

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Deihm pop  
Years ago

Lots of cash gets spent in D2 by the sounds of it

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Anon  
Years ago

And money spent in Div 2 is 99.9% wasted. A question- my understanding is only 2 imports allowed in State Champ level - is this still the same or has it changed - talk around is that a Div 1 team has 2 imports for 2016? Thoughts!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Division 1 Mens will be very competitive with teams spending big $$$ to try and win a championship. Good pathway for their Youth/Juniors.........

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Inside Sauce  
Years ago

Matt Bartlett spotted meeting with SBL (Western Australian) clubs approximately a week ago. He's been shopping around alot trying to find a club that can cater for his specific "needs".

You heard it hear furst.

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Anon  
Years ago

?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Na, only one import for D1M but if your Warrnambool you can also sign an NBL gun who is better than all the imports in the league anyways

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paul  
Years ago

... who has previously played for Warrnambool.

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Dwayne Pipe  
Years ago

Think they're referring to Sobey, Paul.
And although at D1 you're only allowed 1 import, country associations (Warrnambool, Mildura) are allowed a second, to answer the anon above.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Country associations are not allowed a 2nd import at all, they must apply and it is assessed case by case with consideration given to the current playing roster. This is the same for any team in the league as I understand it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^^^Correct^^^
You must apply for 2nd import depending on current roster.

Warrnambool won't be as good as everyone thinks. I'm tipping Chelsea or Casey(6 former SEABL players)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The league need to monitor the teams who load up on Seabl players more instead of worrying about country associations,

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spot up  
Years ago

What do they need to monitor? Players leave SEABL clubs every season and will be looking for somewhere else to play. Big V clubs are the logical choice in Victoria...

If Big V is meant to be all about providing a pathway for development, surely attracting older, experienced players to your own club ($$ or otherwise) is a good way to help the development of your own younger players? I'm not sure there's any reason to make it too hard for players to drop down a level or two as they get to the twilight of their career.

Please don't misunderstand this post as trying to excuse irresponsible spending either.

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Bear  
Years ago

That's the balance, isn't, responsible spending while still providing pathways and player development opportunities.

SEABL clubs should always be looking for young up and coming players, or those returning from college, especially if they are home grown. Big V has options for those types as well, but I see no issue with some older and wiser heads perhaps, filling Big V spots in their twilight, should be there to help the younger players regardless, not just playing for a Cashy,...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No problem with them dropping down to play a level but would like to see the talent spread and not just 1 or 2 clubs spending up on all of the available talent.

Also just dont restrict other clubs in other ways !!

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Dwayne Pipe  
Years ago

You sure that's a blanket rule regarding a second import? Is that new ?
I can't recall any metro based team playing lower than state champ having a second import. Or is that just for financial reasons...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's the way it reads in the By-Laws, doesn't specifically mention either country or metropolitan associations so it is reasonable to assume that the rule applies to all entrants.

I would suggest finances restrict most clubs in the leagues below State Champ level.

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spot up  
Years ago

I'd reckon some Div 1 clubs (e.g. Casey) could be saving some money when they do move up into State Champs to spend even more. At least in their case they are in a growth catchment and will become one of the larger associations going forward.

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De  
Years ago

Don't you worry about Casey

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