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Matt
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Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I have been giving a bit of thought to how I see the Boomers team lining up for Rio and was just wondering what others opinions are on this question.

Ogilvy and Goulding are probably the best chance on current form but looking in to the future I think they may face an uphill battle to make the side.

For arguments sake this is the 12 I see making up the team at present (barring injury)

Bogut
Baynes
Ingles
Dellevadova
Mills
Anderson
Bairstow
Simmons
Broeckhoff
Exum
Motum
Newley

I for one do hope I am wrong, the NBL has come a long way this season and I think it would be a real shame for the product if none of our local players make the cut.

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Anonymous
Last year
17:46 10 Jan 16

Reply #573099

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Ogilvy and Jawai have as good a chance as Bairstow.

It seems like Andersen hasn't fallen off a cliff like I expected and is still doing well in France.

Exum with his injury may withdraw.... in order to make sure he gets that contract extension (the reverse Anstey).

Newley hasn't fallen off like his hairline would suggest. Goulding will have a tough time beating him out, although his ability to score in a hurry could be useful in bunches.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:06 10 Jan 16

Reply #573106

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Goulding is gools


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Anonymous
Last year
18:06 10 Jan 16

Reply #573107

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Goulding is fools gold.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:16 10 Jan 16

Reply #573108

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Personally I'd like to see:

6'4 Delly 1/2
6'2 lisch 1/2 (hopefully)
6'0 Mills 2/1
6'4 Goulding 2
6'7 Broekhoff 3/2
6'7 Blanchfield 3/2
6'10 Simmons 3/4
6'10 Motum 4
7'0 Anderson 4/5
6'10 Baynes 5/4
7'0 Bogut 5
6'11 Ogilvy 5

Starting 5
Delly, mills, Simmons, motum, Bogut.
Followed by..
Lisch, broekhoff, blanchfield, Anderson, baynes.


exum misses out. I don't think he'll risk getting injured. Jazz will tell him no. Lisch with citizenship gets the nod. If not, then Gibson.

Ingles, well After watching him this season in then nba... I think he's a liability. Crafty player but inconsistent, slow and a poor defender. Broekhoff, blanchfield and Simmons can fill his position.

Newley and bairstow not as versatile as others. Miss the cut...


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Anonymous
Last year
18:40 10 Jan 16

Reply #573109

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

6'8 Ingles vs 6'7 blanchfield
Imo
Shooting: blanchfield
Ball handling: even
Passing: ingles
Rebounding: blanchfield
Defence: blanchfield
Speed in transition: blanchfield
Basketball iq: ingles
Versatility: Both can play 3/2.
Experience: ingles

I'd say put blanchfield on the team and ingles as an assistant coach. Great glue guy, will help having him there.


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Baller#3
Last year
18:41 10 Jan 16

Reply #573110

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Bairstow should be in the team in my opinion. Exum won't play surely, will only just be back healthy by then. Won't be surprised if Simmons is out for this one too with other commitments.

I would take this without exum and Simmons:

C: Bogut(30)/Baynes(10)
PF: Baynes(20)/Anderson(10)/Motum(10)
SF: Ingles(25)/Broeckhoff(15)
SG: Broeckhoff(15)/Mills(15)/Newley(10)
PG: Delly(30)/Mills(10)
10/11/12: Bairstow/NBL Big/NBL guard

Or this with them:

C: Bogut (30)/Baynes(10)
PF: Baynes(20)/Simmons(20)
SF: Ingles(25)/Broeckhoff(15)
SG: Broeckhoff(10)/Mills(20)/Newley(10)
PG: Delly(25)/Mills(10)/Exum(5)
10/11/12: Anderson/Motum/NBL Guard


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AngusH
Last year
18:52 10 Jan 16

Reply #573112

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Pretty likely Simmons won't play I'd say... especially after Exum's injury.

I haven't really seen anything from Bairstow to tell me that he should be in the team, or that he's better than Ogilvy, unless he's improved a lot since the FIBA World Cup.

Ogilvy/Goulding/Jawai would have the best chance to make it from the NBL, maybe in that order. Gibson was about 10x better than I expected of him at the World Cup, but hard to picture him making it again after the season he's having.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:42 10 Jan 16

Reply #573119

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

With lemanis...
No doubt it will be....

Delly/Gibson
Mills/broekhoff/Goulding
Ingles/Newley
Motum/Anderson/bairstow
Bogut/baynes

Personally I'd love to see...
Lisch over Gibson
Exum over Goulding
Simmons over Newley
Ogilvy over bairstow


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Aussie
Last year
21:21 10 Jan 16

Reply #573135

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I agree that Lemanis will pick the above team


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skull
Last year
22:24 10 Jan 16

Reply #573144

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

please don't mention Adam Gibson in the same sentence as the Boomers....it's embarrassing.


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MACDUB
Last year
23:26 10 Jan 16

Reply #573146

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Ive thought about this - lately Australian coaches always seem hellbent on sending the 'same guys' even though results haven't been overly great (they've punched some years but by and large finished where their ranking lies or a bit outside of it).

Would love for Aus to look at guys like Lisch, Ogilvy..just mix it up a bit.

A guy like Lisch could be extremely valuable. Hope he naturalises.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:52 11 Jan 16

Reply #573148

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

My rio team would be:

Starting 5:
Bogut
Simmons
Ingles
Delly
Exum

Bench:
Thon maker
Baynes
Mills
Broekhoff
Humphries
Majok Majok
Anderson


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Anonymous
Last year
09:35 11 Jan 16

Reply #573154

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Not sure how Goulding fits?

Can't guard and would be the 10th-12th guy of the bench!

He is a volume shooter when we'll have Patty,Simmons & others do the scoring....Goulding adds no value when compared to finding the right fit for the squad in this last few roster spots.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:10 11 Jan 16

Reply #573158

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Delly/lisch
Mills/broekhoff/exum
Simmons/ingles
Motum/Anderson
Bogut/baynes/ogilvy


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skull
Last year
11:22 11 Jan 16

Reply #573166

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I would think Kickert has also given himself a chance? international size and shoots the hell out of the 3 ball.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:52 11 Jan 16

Reply #573170

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Kicker will be in contention. Exum and Bairstow won't play for the Boomers, but they will both be in the NBL in a few years time.


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Beantown
Last year
13:58 11 Jan 16

Reply #573175

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I think Lemanis will go with a pretty experienced starting lineup that will definitely include Bogut, Dellavedova and Ingles and probably Broekhoff for the balance his shooting, defence and rebounding brings.

Baynes might start at the 4, but personally I hope that doesn't happen as it will make us too slow and he and Bogut will get in each other's way in the paint.

If Simmons commits to the Olympics early and can spend enough practice time with the team, then maybe he could start, but I just don't see Lemanis being ready to build this team around him yet. Hopefully that will happen leading into the next World Champs though.

So I think the 4 should be either Motum or Andersen, because their shooting will open up the floor for Bogut, Simmons, Newley and Ingles to score at the rim.

Mills, Simmons and Baynes to be the others to see significant minutes.

The remaining slots probably don't matter a lot unless there is an injury, but I would take Newley as an athletic spark-plug. Lisch is having a stunning shooting year and is a solid ball-handler, so I think he'd be worth considering if he has naturalised by then. If not, either Goulding or Blanchfield would be ok, though both are only shooting 35% and 34% respectively from 3.

That's still only eleven, but I just don't think the 12th guy will play. For that reason, I'd keep Exum around for the experience (if he makes himself available). If not, maybe Ogilvy or Jawai sneaks in, but I can't see them having much impact.

To sum up:

Bogut Baynes Andersen
Motum Simmons
Broekhoff Newley
Ingles Lisch
Delly Mills Exum


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Beantown
Last year
14:02 11 Jan 16

Reply #573176

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Skull, Kickert has some great shooting percentages, but he's near useless on the other end. The guy averages about 3.5 rebounds per game in the NBL! Not good enough for someone who is 6'10!


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Anonymous
Last year
15:14 11 Jan 16

Reply #573182

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I think Lisches defence in the backcourt is necessary and ogilvys mobility and rebounding, shot blocking capability is needed. His a great mix of Bogut and baynes.
Goulding although can get hot, he offers little defence. Can you imagine him on harden and Thompson etc. If you could have a backcourt rotation of delly/Lisch/broekhoff/exum. All quality defenders. Plus mills for offence.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:23 11 Jan 16

Reply #573187

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

The good thing about Kickert is this year he is playing the exact role in the NBL that he would play for the Boomers. He doesn't get a lot of rebounds as he is always on the perimeter and has the responsibility of getting back on d instead of going for O boards.

Andersen is before him, although with a like for like replacement if Andersen is hit by injury then Kickert would be a good choice.


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AngusH
Last year
18:31 11 Jan 16

Reply #573199

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Did I miss something re: Lisch naturalizing? Already got an EU passport, would be a strange thing to do as far as his professional prospects go.


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:34 11 Jan 16

Reply #573200

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I think it's absurd to even suggest Ingles won't make the team. He's one of our most consistent performers, he's old enough to take a leadership role, he's getting reasonable minutes in the NBA. 0% chance Blanchfield makes the team over him.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:45 11 Jan 16

Reply #573202

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

In the Nba ingles only averaging 4 points and 1 rebound in 14 minutes. Not even averaging 1 assist yet.
Shooting the 3 at 38 per cent. That's ok.
Ft % descent at 80%


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Anonymous
Last year
18:45 11 Jan 16

Reply #573203

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

If you are in the NBA you are on the team. There's our squad.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:44 11 Jan 16

Reply #573208

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Does Lisch qualify to represent Australia? I believe he is American born and travels on an Italian passport?


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AngusH
Last year
19:50 11 Jan 16

Reply #573209

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

No chance in hell Ingles doesn't make it, he's one of our best players and brings it at an international level, too. Only person who would take Blanchfield over Ingles is Blanchfield's parents. Probably.


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Beantown
Last year
20:39 11 Jan 16

Reply #573213

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

"ogilvys mobility and rebounding, shot blocking capability is needed. His a great mix of Bogut and baynes."

Not sure that I agree that Ogilvy is mobile or that great a rebounder. He's not even averaging as many rebounds per game as DJ, who everyone complains is soft! He's more likely to block a shot or grab a rebound than Jawai, so I'd probably take him ahead of big Nate, but he's not going to get any minutes with the guys we have ahead of him.


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Beantown
Last year
20:50 11 Jan 16

Reply #573214

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

"The good thing about Kickert is this year he is playing the exact role in the NBL that he would play for the Boomers. He doesn't get a lot of rebounds as he is always on the perimeter and has the responsibility of getting back on d instead of going for O boards.

It's not the offensive boards I'm worried about. He's only averaging 2.5 defensive rpg! I do agree that his exceptional shooting gives him an outside chance of playing a role on the Boomers once Andersen retires though.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:02 11 Jan 16

Reply #573215

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Please don't mention jawai.
Unless he's going to eat the opposition....

Ogilvy or bairstow in a battle for the final spot. PF or c.
Simmons in, id take ogilvy.
Simmons out, I'd take bairstow.


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Hendo8888
Last year
21:54 11 Jan 16

Reply #573217

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

"He's not even averaging as many rebounds per game as DJ, who everyone complains is soft!"

DJ is leading the league in rebounds with 9.89 per game. He's 1.2 per game clear of 2nd place. Fact of the matter is DJ has been a very good rebounder this season.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:22 11 Jan 16

Reply #573220

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Kickert has made 100% of the shots he hasn't missed this season. That should give him a chance at a roster spot.


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skull
Last year
23:24 11 Jan 16

Reply #573224

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Here's my Olympic squad, players must specialise in what they bring-

Ingles = proven X factor specialist-in
Mills = point guard specialist-in
Delly = guard specialist-in
Bogut = 5 man specialist-in
Baynes = specialist banger - in
Simmons = In
Exum = In
Broekoff = specialist shooter-In
Anderson = experienced 5 man specialist-In
Motum = combination big - In
Lisch = if available- In
Kickert = 3 point specialist @ 6'10-in

This team could win a medal.



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Cram
Last year
04:39 12 Jan 16

Reply #573227

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

If all are available I've got

Delly / Exum
Ingles / Mills / Goulding
Broekhoff / Simmons
Motum / Bairstow
Bogut / Andersen / Baynes

Newly would be my next in.

I don't know about Lisch situation so unless there's something I haven't heard I haven't considered him.

Ogilvy, Gibson, Jawai, Blanchfield, Gliddon are probably the next guys in but I'd say if everyone else is fit they're outsiders


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paul
Last year
08:50 12 Jan 16

Reply #573230

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Why would you pick Exum? He struggled in 2014 and 2015 and will be below peak form after his knee injury.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:57 12 Jan 16

Reply #573231

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Ingles at sg ahead of mills. Funny...
They call him slow mo joe at Utah. He can't even defend at the sf position.


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AngusH
Last year
20:33 12 Jan 16

Reply #573305

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I guess it's a good thing that we won't be facing Team USA SGs/SFs every game, then...


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Beantown
Last year
22:27 12 Jan 16

Reply #573310

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Paul, I think Exum is worth taking as the 12th man to keep him involved (I'm not really expecting our 12th man to play much regardless of who he is). His knee injury has set him back, but he was starting to show good progress at Utah last season. From memory he was having a dramatic impact on Utah's defensive rating.

If the Boomers are going to take that next step and finally challenge for a medal in the next few years, we need the athleticism he brings in the back-court to defend the best guards in the world. I also think that with better health and a little more patience, his offence and point guard skills will get there too.

Who would you like to see the 12th spot go to instead?


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paul
Last year
22:40 12 Jan 16

Reply #573311

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I just think with the long break between the Olympics and the next WC we don't need to carry someone who isn't ready, particularly if Simmons is there as an unknown quantity.

Maybe you're right, maybe it's worth keeping him involved for his development, but it's such a tough team to pick without giving away one of the spots!


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Cram
Last year
02:36 13 Jan 16

Reply #573319

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I gave Exum the benefit of the doubt given he's fit and ready to go, partially because I think Lemanis likes his guys and also that talent at the end of the day wins out. If he's not ok to go I have Newly there. I know that leaves us a little thin at pg but with Ingles and Simmons able to handle along with Delly and Mills who will play a lot I think we'd be ok.


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paul
Last year
11:11 13 Jan 16

Reply #573338

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

See I don't think Exum makes it on talent yet, he was well off the past two years and hasn't had the chance to play this year.

I agree about Lemanis though, he's built the core he wants to go with, and depending on what Simmons does there's prob one big spot and one guard spot up for grabs, although Lisch naturalising might change that.


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Hoopie
Last year
11:35 13 Jan 16

Reply #573339

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Something to think about: should we go out of our way to lock in Ben Simmons for Australia right now?

After a couple of years in the U.S. he might start thinking about playing for them, no matter how patriotic he is right now.


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Luuuc
Last year
11:42 13 Jan 16

Reply #573340

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Yeah, the difference between him and previous aussies is that he may turn out to be good enough to make that team. Let's not risk it. Just give his NBA team an assurance that he will only play the first 30 seconds of one match and I'm happy to go with an 11 man roster for the sake of locking him in ;)


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Anonymous
Last year
12:01 13 Jan 16

Reply #573342

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

He has already played for Australia before at a senior event right?


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Anonymous
Last year
12:19 13 Jan 16

Reply #573344

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Simmons has played for us at senior and junior level.

He is all ours baby:-)

Also, it would be strange if we had a player like Exum who was a high 1st round pick, very athletic, and a useful nba player and yet he didn't fit the Australian program.

Kind of like John Wall now with team USA, or Rondo when he was winning championships with the Celtics. Both Exum types that also struggle with their jump shots.


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Beantown
Last year
14:44 13 Jan 16

Reply #573357

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

Paul, you've lost me when you say you don't think Exum makes it on talent. I think it's his talent and potential that put him in the team. If you said he doesn't make it on skill level yet, then I can see where you're coming from (though I don't agree). Personally, I think the only things holding him back are a consistent jumpshot, loose handles and most importantly... CONFIDENCE!


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paul
Last year
14:52 13 Jan 16

Reply #573359

re: Will any Australian NBL players make Rio 2016?

I just don't think he's had the time to develop his game yet due to not playing in his draft year and then the time off with his knee.

Had he played a full season this year I'm sure he'd be ready to play, but given he hasn't I don't see how he's any better than the past two years when he was well off the pace.


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