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Anonymous
Last year

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WNBL becoming a bush league

Is the WNBL becoming a bush league?

Argued with a bare last night that it's close to the second best women's league in terms of play standard but he pointed out the following to argue why it's a bush league:

A team is 0-20 and look likely to not win a game!

A team cant pay its bill and will fall over (2nd in as many years)

Multiple teams rely one 1 benefactor to break even

If your daddy is rich enough he'll prop up a team so you get a game



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Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Last year
09:26 5 Feb 16

Reply #576225

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

you argued with a bear ?


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Bear
Last year
09:38 5 Feb 16

Reply #576227

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

I think the OP said, bare, so someone naked and with a narrow point of view from what has been posted, I presume...


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Anonymous
Last year
10:10 5 Feb 16

Reply #576234

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

It's a fair step below EuroLeague, a bit behind EuroCup competition. There are a few domestic European leagues I'd throw in the pot too (ok, two bigs: Russia and Turkey).


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Anonymous
Last year
11:12 5 Feb 16

Reply #576250

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Seems to be a league in alit of trouble......lighting in trouble as well so be interesting off season


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Ricky
Last year
11:47 5 Feb 16

Reply #576260

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

We could barely keep the men's league alive and profitable, why would anyone think a womens league could even survive.


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paul
Last year
11:49 5 Feb 16

Reply #576261

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

There was some talk earlier in the season LK had an interest in buying into the WNBL, haven't heard anything since though.


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Touch the rim
Last year
12:09 5 Feb 16

Reply #576266

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

OP is Russian. He argued with a bear on a unicycle


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Anonymous
Last year
12:17 5 Feb 16

Reply #576269

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

They need to do a better job of allowing licenses to teams that can sustain a level of financial support which includes the ability to generate their own revenue. but even Bendigo who has that if I'm correct was in a bit of financial strife also. The problem is that teams cant keep up with the inflation of player Salaries. Not that players don't deserve it but teams trying wo win loading up on talent is what is killing the competition. The league can't continue in its current state without sponsors. Eventually fingers crossed, teams will start managing their teams in a way that is fiscally responsible which means the overall talent level will drop but the league will continue. Or teams will continue to spend outside of their means and the comp will fail. Need TV to help bring revenue to clubs.


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.
Last year
14:39 5 Feb 16

Reply #576287

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

It is what it is. Just think of how it evolved with a lot less , always teams coming and going


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proud
Last year
03:22 8 Feb 16

Reply #576631

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

I think if we can get more teams aligning with the NBL team then it will make it a lot easier to sell the product but that leaves Vixtorian teams aligning with United or not at all... Should WNBL get a breakers affiliate ?


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Anonymous
Last year
08:50 8 Feb 16

Reply #576639

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Time WNBL were given better support, no TV coverage, crap wages, little to no extended fan base outside of the immediate junior programs associated with the teams is certainly not conductive to making it a better platform for professional level basketball.
Time the Sporting bodies began to recognise women's sports ... Basketball in particular and helped them out. You only have to look at half the comments on here re women's basketball, it always ends up being changed over to the men's and God forbid if it doesn't some wise spark will ask why anyone is discussing women's badketball.


Heads up guys, our australian Opals are far more successful than their male counterparts, on the world stage and have been for a very long time ( yet till now have been treated like the "also rans"),


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Luke
Last year
09:47 8 Feb 16

Reply #576641

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

In all sports, wages are mostly a direct result of the contract the TV rights pay. No TV deal not much money.


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Luuuc
Last year
10:18 8 Feb 16

Reply #576644

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Yes, it all starts largely with either (1) the public being interested in consuming the product, or (2) sponsors wanting to be aligned with the product.
When the first thing happens, it encourages the second.
When the second thing happens, it creates a better product and facilitates the first thing.

When the product is virtually invisible, it doesn't help the prospects of either thing happening.


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Luuuc
Last year
10:19 8 Feb 16

Reply #576645

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Thankfully a TV deal is imminent!


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Anonymous
Last year
10:50 8 Feb 16

Reply #576648

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

it's a bit like what comes first the chicken or the egg....... They need to make it so that people want to come to games, but to do that they need to get the game out there, make it seem huge, advertise it, spark people's interest, don't just rely on your players families and star struck juniors to come and fill the seats that any potential sponsor will want to sell their wares to.
And the only way to do that is for the governing bodies to actually step up and get the WNBL exposure, every dam night you can find NBL games on TV, yes it's pay TV, but why can't the women get something even once or twice a week, it's actually Not that hard surely.
Why is the WNBL CEO not fighting to get a TV deal for all teams, the season is nearly finished and the "TV deal is imminent " crap is a standing joke.
All they do is come up with lame excuses


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Anonymous
Last year
10:53 8 Feb 16

Reply #576649

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

The opals have certainly been better than men for the last decade or so but they road the back of Lauren Jackson, it could soon be turning.


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HO
Last year
12:08 8 Feb 16

Reply #576653

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

@576649

Interesting comment.

With very few exceptions, the Opals have out-performed the Boomers for decades at both Olympic and WC level. And when I say decades, I mean like 5 of them.... and believe it or not, Jackson has only played for around 15 years of those 50 or so.

Try googling Maher, Sporn, Brogan, Timms, Nykiel, Mickan, Brondello, Fallon, Dalton, Cheesman and their contemporaries.

As for turning... The Opals would be firmly in the frame for silver in Rio, the Boomers would do well to match their Sydney result.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:27 8 Feb 16

Reply #576655

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

I agree! Opals have a long history of success. The recent RIO test event where we beat Brazil at home I think shows we are not done yet...


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Anonymous
Last year
12:33 8 Feb 16

Reply #576656

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Everyone of those players would admit themselves that Jackson is the best basketballer this country has ever had, men or women. Yes the women got a couple bronze medals pre Jackson but while she's been in we got silver. At the Sydney games as a teenager she was so good in the final that with a bit more help we could've got gold. If our our young men coming through over the next 10 years progress as predicted I beleive the men could medal.


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HO
Last year
12:47 8 Feb 16

Reply #576657

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

I don't suggest anything other than that about Jackson.

Our most recent major success, bronze in Turkey, came without Jackson or Cambage.

And the 2006 Gold medal had a great deal to do with Taylor and Harrower. Taylor was tournament MVP.

Jackson in her era made us gold medal contenders in every tournament she played, but we would have been in the frame for silver in all of those tournaments without her. And throughout her era she has had truly great international players around her - Timms, Sporn, Harrower, Taylor, Brondello, Snell, Fallon etc

Since 1994 the Opals have been a great international team, with or without Lauren.

But again, five decades of "outshining" the men, not one.


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Luuuc
Last year
12:57 8 Feb 16

Reply #576658

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

Getting bit lost on a tangent here.

Sure, there's no argument about the success of the Opals vs the success of the Boomers. That is not relevant to whether anybody wants to watch a WNBL game though.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:12 8 Feb 16

Reply #576659

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

not really getting lost on a tangent, its really pointing out the fact that the WNBL should be getting a lot more support, or is it because its being pointed out that the men are not as successful and never have been that you think its going off on a tangent!!!

Lauren Jackson has certainly been one of greats, but so have many of the others, look at Michelle Timms , Kristy Harrower, and they have had longevity too

WNBL could use some of these as Embassadors of the sport to promote it more, get LJ out in the media, thats might spark some interest


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Luuuc
Last year
13:34 8 Feb 16

Reply #576662

re: WNBL becoming a bush league

I'm simply pointing out that success of a national team in competition has very little bearing on the popularity of a professional league. That's why getting hung up on the Opals' success is a bit of a tangent IMO, and not all that helpful.

The aussie equestrian team seems to pop up pretty regularly in the medals at the Olympics too, and I'd guess we would rank pretty high in the world in boomerang throwing and backyard cricket, but being good at something doesn't automatically mean that individuals & companies will be lining up to throw money at those sports either.


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