Anonymous
Years ago
Hey guys,
With the end of the NBL season approaching, I was interested to see which players actually contributed to their teams going ahead whilst they are on the court and which players caused teams to fall behind.
Does anyone know where to find the advanced stats for players + / - score when they are on the court?
Thanks
Isaac
Years ago
There is some data here that you might find useful.
www.spatialjam.com
and it took a kiwi to do it. shame on you australians
Dazz
Years ago
the line-up o-matic is interesting, but it seems to be based on efficiency per possession. That would seem to ignore rebounds, turnovers, steals, etc?
For example, based on that data, I wouldn't have Knight in the starting 5, but he is out best rebounder. More rebounds = more possessions!
koberulz
Years ago
Do rebounds, steals and turnovers not happen during possessions?
is +/- really useful ? There are 9 other players on the court and what they do determine the outcome more than any one individual's effort ( except a few NBA super stars)
koberulz
Years ago
Are you suggesting that some NBA players aren't affected by their teammates?
Luuuc
Years ago
I would say that +/- is a very useful stat, yes.
When your favourite player has a big + you can claim beast mode status for them.
When he has a big - you can point out all the many valid reasons that the +/- figure alone and without context is not a fair way of measuring their (lack of) positive influence on the game
;)
paul
Years ago
Not to mention when your favourite player goes 2/11 and has six turnovers you can point out that he was only -17 and the team lost by 22 so he didn't play that bad.
Dazz
Years ago
Do rebounds, steals and turnovers not happen during possessions?
koberulz
Years ago
...no?
You can't steal the ball unless the other team has it. Therefore they have a possession, then you have a possession. No different in terms of number of possessions than if they scored.
Same with defensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds don't result in the end of possession.
The only reason for teams not to have the same number of possessions is the ends of quarters.
paul
Years ago
Maybe in a statistician's mind, but in the reality of a basketball game an offensive rebound gets you another possession without the opposition getting one, while a steal effectively nullifies an opposition possession.
koberulz
Years ago
Maybe in a statistician's mind, but in the reality of a basketball game an offensive rebound gets you another possession without the opposition getting one, while a steal effectively nullifies an opposition possession.
paul
Years ago
"How does a steal differ from any other way of preventing a team from scoring? The outcome is the same."
Statistically yes, but on the court it's preventing the opposition from having a scoring attempt (hence you aren't relying on them missing to end the possession without a score) and often generates a scoring attempt at the other end, and in the reality of a game those are important differences.
Andrew
Years ago
Thanks guys, that's my website. Appreciate all the feedback. Had a TON of hits coming from this site over the past few days!
Cheers!
ROFLcopter
Years ago
Brilliant website.
It's clear wortho should stop attempting 3s!
No he should continue shooting those because he is such a great player and leader as exemplified by his better performances when the Taipans were effectively out of the playoffs and said team's brilliant away record! bwahahahaha
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