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Anonymous
Last year

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+ / - season stats?

Hey guys,

With the end of the NBL season approaching, I was interested to see which players actually contributed to their teams going ahead whilst they are on the court and which players caused teams to fall behind.

Does anyone know where to find the advanced stats for players + / - score when they are on the court?

Thanks

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Isaac
Last year
16:32 11 Feb 16

Reply #577130

re: + / - season stats?

There is some data here that you might find useful.

www.spatialjam.com


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XY
Last year
13:59 12 Feb 16

Reply #577273

re: + / - season stats?

That is one hell of a good site


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Anonymous
Last year
16:04 12 Feb 16

Reply #577292

re: + / - season stats?

and it took a kiwi to do it. shame on you australians


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Dazz
Last year
19:56 12 Feb 16

Reply #577412

re: + / - season stats?

the line-up o-matic is interesting, but it seems to be based on efficiency per possession. That would seem to ignore rebounds, turnovers, steals, etc?

For example, based on that data, I wouldn't have Knight in the starting 5, but he is out best rebounder. More rebounds = more possessions!


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koberulz
Last year
20:04 12 Feb 16

Reply #577418

re: + / - season stats?

Do rebounds, steals and turnovers not happen during possessions?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:57 12 Feb 16

Reply #577457

re: + / - season stats?

is +/- really useful ? There are 9 other players on the court and what they do determine the outcome more than any one individual's effort ( except a few NBA super stars)


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koberulz
Last year
21:18 12 Feb 16

Reply #577466

re: + / - season stats?

Are you suggesting that some NBA players aren't affected by their teammates?


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Luuuc
Last year
22:07 12 Feb 16

Reply #577489

re: + / - season stats?

I would say that +/- is a very useful stat, yes.
When your favourite player has a big + you can claim beast mode status for them.
When he has a big - you can point out all the many valid reasons that the +/- figure alone and without context is not a fair way of measuring their (lack of) positive influence on the game
;)


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paul
Last year
22:14 12 Feb 16

Reply #577491

re: + / - season stats?

Not to mention when your favourite player goes 2/11 and has six turnovers you can point out that he was only -17 and the team lost by 22 so he didn't play that bad.


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Dazz
Last year
22:14 12 Feb 16

Reply #577492

re: + / - season stats?

Do rebounds, steals and turnovers not happen during possessions?

Maybe if you engaged your brain for a second before spitting out the inevitable sarcastic retort...

The chart is based on points per possession, so that in effect measures efficiency when in possession.
If you assume that teams have equal possessions, then that would be fine, but obviously they don't. As an example a player grabbing a rebound effectively gives his team an extra possession, as does a steal.


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koberulz
Last year
22:35 12 Feb 16

Reply #577502

re: + / - season stats?

...no?

You can't steal the ball unless the other team has it. Therefore they have a possession, then you have a possession. No different in terms of number of possessions than if they scored.

Same with defensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds don't result in the end of possession.

The only reason for teams not to have the same number of possessions is the ends of quarters.


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paul
Last year
22:58 12 Feb 16

Reply #577504

re: + / - season stats?

Maybe in a statistician's mind, but in the reality of a basketball game an offensive rebound gets you another possession without the opposition getting one, while a steal effectively nullifies an opposition possession.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:06 12 Feb 16

Reply #577508

re: + / - season stats?

Meaninless stat.


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koberulz
Last year
23:08 12 Feb 16

Reply #577510

re: + / - season stats?

Maybe in a statistician's mind, but in the reality of a basketball game an offensive rebound gets you another possession without the opposition getting one, while a steal effectively nullifies an opposition possession.

How does a steal differ from any other way of preventing a team from scoring? The outcome is the same.

A possession is the time you have the ball until the other team gets the ball. I don't see why that's weird. It's not like anyone's assuming steals or O boards are meaningless.


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paul
Last year
23:29 12 Feb 16

Reply #577513

re: + / - season stats?

"How does a steal differ from any other way of preventing a team from scoring? The outcome is the same."

Statistically yes, but on the court it's preventing the opposition from having a scoring attempt (hence you aren't relying on them missing to end the possession without a score) and often generates a scoring attempt at the other end, and in the reality of a game those are important differences.


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Andrew
Last year
11:17 13 Feb 16

Reply #577544

re: + / - season stats?

Thanks guys, that's my website. Appreciate all the feedback. Had a TON of hits coming from this site over the past few days!
Cheers!


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Jack Toft
Last year
12:04 13 Feb 16

Reply #577549

re: + / - season stats?

great website Andrew


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ROFLcopter
Last year
12:34 13 Feb 16

Reply #577552

re: + / - season stats?

Brilliant website.

It's clear wortho should stop attempting 3s!


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Anonymous
Last year
15:48 14 Feb 16

Reply #577687

re: + / - season stats?

No he should continue shooting those because he is such a great player and leader as exemplified by his better performances when the Taipans were effectively out of the playoffs and said team's brilliant away record! bwahahahaha


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