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Isaac
Last year

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United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Your tip?

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Tom
Last year
15:26 18 Feb 16

Reply #578476

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Melbourne by 2


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LV
Last year
15:29 18 Feb 16

Reply #578477

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Melbourne by 2 in a close, tight contest from start to finish.

These teams know each other well, it will be about who executes better down the stretch. United's starting 5 + Warrick is a great group to be able to use in that situation.

Having said all of that, the odds on NZ ($2.65 last I checked) are very tempting. I'm not gonna do it, cos naturally I want United to win, but I do believe NZ are a better chance than that.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:51 18 Feb 16

Reply #578484

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Double OT, nz by one.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Last year
16:03 18 Feb 16

Reply #578493

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"Having said all of that, the odds on NZ ($2.65 last I checked) are very tempting. I'm not gonna do it, cos naturally I want United to win"

Do it. Its win-win.


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Isaac
Last year
16:05 18 Feb 16

Reply #578495

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

The insurance bet! Do it - either your team wins or the bookie pays for the consolation drink.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:51 18 Feb 16

Reply #578510

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

It's really hard to say. These two teams haven't played each other at full strength all season. Each time a key player has been out. Warrick missed the first meeting, Wesley the second, half of Melbourne in the third, then Webster in the fourth. Guess we'll see the real deal for the first time tonight.

Going to be a real battle, if NZ can keep Melbourne's shooters in check they should be able to get the win. Hard to bet against Melbourne at home though.


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Ugly Igley
Last year
16:51 18 Feb 16

Reply #578511

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

NZ by 7.


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Luuuc
Last year
17:05 18 Feb 16

Reply #578514

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Should be a top contest.
I threw a few $$ on NZ purely because I think their price is good. In reality I'm finding it hard to tip a winner.


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Andy
Last year
17:18 18 Feb 16

Reply #578522

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

United by 16, They have been pretty good of late no reason they wont keep it up. Pledger is in doubt with a virus and Big CJ will get into foul trouble and have to sit on the bench. United need to go at Big CJ right away.


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Train
Last year
18:13 18 Feb 16

Reply #578533

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Breakers by 5


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Anonymous
Last year
18:25 18 Feb 16

Reply #578535

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I'm on the breakers they should really have swept united during the season with a horrendous refereeing decision costing them their only loss. They are definitely the hottest team right now and will be tough to beat.


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TimberBall
Last year
18:32 18 Feb 16

Reply #578537

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

NZ by 5...extra bet- Goulding to cry about every call (but its only pay $1.01)


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Mystro
Last year
18:37 18 Feb 16

Reply #578538

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hopefully NZ will carry some form into this and take the win. Corey Webster in Sniper mode.


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paul
Last year
18:59 18 Feb 16

Reply #578539

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hard to get a read on both teams. NZ on a run but not against great opposition. Melbourne took their foot off the pedal, will that mean they come out fresh or flat? Should be a close one but I'm going with NZ's experience.


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Mystro
Last year
19:13 18 Feb 16

Reply #578541

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

NZ out the gates early. Sharing the ball and locked in on d.


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AngusH
Last year
19:13 18 Feb 16

Reply #578542

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Breakers looking like, well, the Breakers.


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fstos
Last year
19:14 18 Feb 16

Reply #578543

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

NZ racing out of the blocks. Will see if this United team has ticker or is as I believe a team of flat track bullies.


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Luuuc
Last year
19:14 18 Feb 16

Reply #578544

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

United looking like, well, the Kings


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AngusH
Last year
19:16 18 Feb 16

Reply #578545

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hell, Kings offense is more imaginative than Melbourne's I'd say. 80% of United possessions they don't seem to actually run anything outside of guys taking turns trying to penetrate from the perimeter.


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Luuuc
Last year
19:21 18 Feb 16

Reply #578546

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

This one's over.




(this quarter, that is)


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AngusH
Last year
19:22 18 Feb 16

Reply #578547

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

That went really quickly.


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fstos
Last year
19:22 18 Feb 16

Reply #578549

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Breakers V Warrick


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FM
Last year
19:24 18 Feb 16

Reply #578550

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Melbourne selected Breakers over Sixers. Probably thinking that just them the season


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AngusH
Last year
19:25 18 Feb 16

Reply #578551

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Oh hey, Blanchfield is still in the NBL.


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MACDUB
Last year
19:40 18 Feb 16

Reply #578553

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Tomlinson is underrated. Really good PG.

Thing is, will United keep going to Warrick? Can Goulding, Holt, Blanchfield etc continue to feed him or will they resort to hero ball?

Seems harsh that Warrick can keep hooking but as soon as the Breaker bigs body him up a bit its a foul.

Warrick could have been a 25 and 10 player with more minutes. He literally creates a miss match with every other PF


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Luuuc
Last year
19:41 18 Feb 16

Reply #578554

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"Breakers V Warrick"

NZB have stopped, and Warrick has hit the lead


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MACDUB
Last year
19:42 18 Feb 16

Reply #578555

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Geez Warrick is a beast


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MACDUB
Last year
19:44 18 Feb 16

Reply #578556

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Everytime i hear a United game all you ever hear is Goulding Goulding Goulding

Good to hear them showing love to Warrick.

They still lost the plot over that 3 by Goulding.


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Luuuc
Last year
19:49 18 Feb 16

Reply #578558

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Awful 2nd quarter from NZ. They're suddenly in an ordinary position down 3 at the half, with Charles Jackson on 3 PFs and Vukona & Wesley each on 2.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:52 18 Feb 16

Reply #578560

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Not sure what was worse, the breakers 2Nd half or the refereeing.


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MACDUB
Last year
20:08 18 Feb 16

Reply #578563

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Rucker on the Goulding layup "See Pledger has to put him on his backside there..can't allow the easy layup".

No but that's the problem..you do that these days and you're getting pinged for an unsportsmanlike.


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Luuuc
Last year
20:21 18 Feb 16

Reply #578564

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"No but that's the problem..you do that these days and you're getting pinged for an unsportsmanlike."

Still worth it to smash Goulding


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Luuuc
Last year
20:22 18 Feb 16

Reply #578566

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Charles Jackson fouls out in 6:17 of playing time


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Kyrie2Nation
Last year
20:32 18 Feb 16

Reply #578568

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hahahahahahahaha Melbourne. GO NZ!


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AngusH
Last year
20:37 18 Feb 16

Reply #578569

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

It went down, but why is Webster shooting long step-back 2s with time on the clock...


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AngusH
Last year
20:39 18 Feb 16

Reply #578570

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Goulding is making a real name for him self with the douchy plays.


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KET
Last year
20:40 18 Feb 16

Reply #578571

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Haha who cares that the refs cant call a foul on a replay, nice work pinging Goulding


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Luuuc
Last year
20:40 18 Feb 16

Reply #578572

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Love that play by Goulding, but his foot was out of bounds when he did that. Does that change anything? I don't even know.


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fstos
Last year
20:41 18 Feb 16

Reply #578573

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Firstly not one of the three clowns saw Goulding grab Abercrombie's leg and place it out of court. Then they don't even know the fkn rule about replay use.

fwits


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AngusH
Last year
20:43 18 Feb 16

Reply #578574

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Refs in make-up call overdrive.


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victorianwildcat
Last year
20:43 18 Feb 16

Reply #578575

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Karma for Gouldings flop earlier in the year i say


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fstos
Last year
20:47 18 Feb 16

Reply #578576

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Let me repeat what I have posted in the past. How fkn dumb is a coach or team that passes the ball to CJ when the other team is in a fouling situation.


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Luuuc
Last year
20:47 18 Feb 16

Reply #578577

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hack-a-Ced 75% successful so far


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AngusH
Last year
20:48 18 Feb 16

Reply #578578

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Yep, must know that Melb are going to foul there. Idiotic to inbound to CJ.


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fstos
Last year
20:50 18 Feb 16

Reply #578579

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

It's happened a few times this year. Seriously any junior coach would know that you would never do this.


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fstos
Last year
20:51 18 Feb 16

Reply #578580

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

2nd best option for these fools, that's right...pass it to Vukona who shoots 50%


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AngusH
Last year
20:52 18 Feb 16

Reply #578581

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

lol... nice work by Holt there.


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MACDUB
Last year
20:52 18 Feb 16

Reply #578582

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

The thing is the commentators go on about Goulding as if he is some out of this world freak.

Tonight he went something like 4/14(?) On 3s and 7/20 (?) FG with some stupid shot selection.

I asked the question would he keep going to Warrick or would he resort to hero ball..its clear what he decided.


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Kyrie2Nation
Last year
20:53 18 Feb 16

Reply #578583

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

And that's why no one wanted NZ to make the finals. What a terrific performance from the Breakers.

United have to win in NZ to keep the series alive... ouch.


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KET
Last year
20:53 18 Feb 16

Reply #578584

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Melbourne and Perth starting to regret not keeping NZ out lel


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Luuuc
Last year
20:53 18 Feb 16

Reply #578585

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"2nd best option for these fools, that's right...pass it to Vukona who shoots 50%"

Yeah I had a major LOL at that, too.
To his credit he made both though.

Prepare your brooms, Breakers fans...


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victorianwildcat
Last year
20:53 18 Feb 16

Reply #578586

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Great game by Vikona , set the standard early.


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Luuuc
Last year
20:54 18 Feb 16

Reply #578587

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"And that's why no one wanted NZ to make the finals."

Damn right


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Wwizard
Last year
20:58 18 Feb 16

Reply #578588

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Melb United choked, melb stink!


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Anonymous
Last year
20:59 18 Feb 16

Reply #578589

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Just shows you down the stretch a Championship team will always beat a team that spends lots of money.


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Bear
Last year
21:02 18 Feb 16

Reply #578591

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Monstered!

Real chance of UTD going out 0-2...


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Jez
Last year
21:07 18 Feb 16

Reply #578596

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I think Demopoulos should've had the courage to sub in Majok for Kickert during that stretch in the fourth when the Breakers were killing them on the offensive glass.


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Bear
Last year
21:08 18 Feb 16

Reply #578598

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

^ Agree, was thinking similar...

Kickert was not doing either, scoring or rebounding!


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Anonymous
Last year
21:12 18 Feb 16

Reply #578599

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Karmas a bitch, just ask the Boomers !


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Dazz
Last year
21:30 18 Feb 16

Reply #578600

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Karma can be such a bitch.
At least Adelaide fans now have something to smile about.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:37 18 Feb 16

Reply #578602

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Welcome to the playoffs where flopping and the united wont get carried night in night out by the refs. This is where the physically dominante teams thrive. United are thrive.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:38 18 Feb 16

Reply #578603

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

United are done!


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Anonymous
Last year
21:52 18 Feb 16

Reply #578604

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Swap the head coaches, swap the result.


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Baller
Last year
21:55 18 Feb 16

Reply #578605

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Well done to the New Zealand national team


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Luuuc
Last year
22:30 18 Feb 16

Reply #578608

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Yes, well done to NZ for defeating Victoria (a state with > 1 million more people than NZ)


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Marcus Camby
Last year
22:43 18 Feb 16

Reply #578609

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

@KET

"Melbourne and Perth starting to regret not keeping NZ out lel"

Would you mind explaining how Perth had a hand in keeping NZ in and the Sixers out of the playoffs??


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:45 18 Feb 16

Reply #578610

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

NZ were beasts tonight.
Take out Warrick and CG43 and united lose by 30.

Damn, looks like the brooms are needed in Auckland!


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Jack Toft
Last year
22:46 18 Feb 16

Reply #578611

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Bye, bye United


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Anonymous
Last year
22:46 18 Feb 16

Reply #578612

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

swap the guards swap the result


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:47 18 Feb 16

Reply #578614

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Pffft. Toft is toss.


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KET
Last year
22:48 18 Feb 16

Reply #578615

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Perth could have tanked against the 36ers and Melbourne tried to actually beat NZ on one of the occasions.

If NZ beat Mel and Perth beat Hawks, Perth face up against NZ again, and they don't want it.


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Nathan of Perth
Last year
22:53 18 Feb 16

Reply #578616

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Right, so it's Perth or Hawks v New Zealand for the GF, Home court against NZ on the line, I believe, since they finished higher. That's one thing that in all of their playoff series so far Perth hasn't had. Could change some mentalities.

But I wonder if NZ would rather Perth get through than the Hawks?


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Luuuc
Last year
22:57 18 Feb 16

Reply #578617

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I reckon they would prefer Perth. Hawks have given them problems, whereas they know they can deal with us.


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LV
Last year
23:07 18 Feb 16

Reply #578619

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Watched the whole first half but only caught small bits of the second half.

Based on the stats, it looks like Warrick kept dominating the game like he did in half one.

I guess after finals losses, it's fair to point the blame at individuals.

Holt must do more.

Kickert- he is an all NBL first team level player. But only at one end of the floor.(And he wasn't that tonight either). If you're a professional power forward, you can't play 33 minutes and get 2 rebounds. It's just not good enough.


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Marcus Camby
Last year
00:42 19 Feb 16

Reply #578625

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"Perth could have tanked against the 36ers and Melbourne tried to actually beat NZ on one of the occasions."

You do realise that at the Sixers @ Perth game, even if Perth tanked, Sixers would still be 5th?

Even if the Utd beat NZ, Sixers would still miss the playoffs due to the split with NZ.

I find it really odd that you would lay the blame on Perth and Melbourne, yet not ask :

- Why didn't the Sixers protect home court against the Brakers? OR at the least lose by less than 16 points to preserve the split? How hard is it to not lose by 16 at home?

- Why didn't the Sixers beat Illawara?

- Why didn't the Sixers win @ Perth?

Why is it that you think that the rest of the league owes the Sixers a playoff spot?

Entitled much?


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Dazz
Last year
00:55 19 Feb 16

Reply #578626

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

What's with all the "swap the" comments???
The better team on the night won (as usually happens.) Yes that team includes the players (surprise surprise) and to some extent the coach. Doh!

Melbourne make their bed when they through the first game, and complacently thought that HCA would carry them through the next couple.

Perth dropped a game to the spooners, it didn't effect anyone, then gave themselves a good hitout against Adelaide.

Melbourne not only allowed NZ to lock-down 4th spot, but gave them two massive confidence boosts, whilst at the same time undermining their own. Epically stupid move, and whoever is responsible for that strategy should be looking for a new job.

At the same time, once again credit to NZ. They have again got their shit together at the pointy end of the season, and shown that they can win the games that need to be won.

Getting ahead of things a bit here, but IF it does come down to a Perth v NZ final, I would give both teams a good chance. Perth would have HCA, which gives them a shot. However Perth really struggle to win in NZ, I would put money on that game going NZ's way. Whereas NZ have been very competitive in Perth. Perth should win, but NZ taking 1 of 2 games in Perth is a possibility.

Frankly, I think it would suck to see the NZ ("national team") win their 5th flag in 6th years, but you can't deny their professionalism.

The "national team" slur, has some validity, but it is what it is. That potential has existed from the moment they were allowed into the NBL, and the only way around it is to foster more teams from NZ. Bitching about it doesn't alter reality.


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Mystro
Last year
03:47 19 Feb 16

Reply #578640

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

The Breakers academy turned development players into guys who are first choice players for the tall blacks.
No other team in the league has a development program close to the Breakers.
NZ's import selection has been fairly solid also.

Great win but they need to back it up at Vector on Saturday against a United team with their backs to the wall.


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Anonymous
Last year
04:46 19 Feb 16

Reply #578642

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

National team players include

Abercrombie
Webster
Vukona

And ocassionaly bartlett if needed


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KET
Last year
06:35 19 Feb 16

Reply #578647

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Marcus Camby, you completely missed the point, it shot wayyyyyyyyyyyy over your head.

It's not about the 36ers deserving a spot, it's that Melbourne and Perth would rather face the 36ers because the 36ers are easier to beat. They had the opportunity to fix it to keep NZ out of the 4 and they didn't. Therefore, if they both end up losing, that's the point of the "starting to regret".

Those are two completely different propositions and you just went on a tangent on one that wasn't being discussed. Nice work wasting your time.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:10 19 Feb 16

Reply #578653

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

The unpredictability of this season is so predictable!


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mystro
Last year
07:47 19 Feb 16

Reply #578655

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"National team players include

Abercrombie
Webster
Vukona

And ocassionaly bartlett if needed"

You left out Pledger and TeRangi.

All of those players were also Breakers DP's


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Anonymous
Last year
08:46 19 Feb 16

Reply #578669

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

United poorly coached again. Demops is like a spectator, watches NZ go on a 16-2 run in the first quarter and then a 10-0 run in the third. United run no offense, just play jungle ball.
Goulding is all "look at me". If they had kept feeding Warwick they win the game. They played their best ball when Goulding sat out the 2nd quarter. They actually shared the ball.


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MACDUB
Last year
09:01 19 Feb 16

Reply #578673

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

"Take out Warrick and CG43 and united lose by 30."

Take out Warrick and they lose by 30 - yes. No way Goulding deserves to be mentioned in that same sentence.

See this is what is wrong, people buy into the CG hype because he hits some ridicolous shots but peolple (especially the commentators who lose their minds over CG) need to look at the individual game stats more closely - the fact of the matter is that Goulding went 4/14 from the 3 last night and 7/21 from the Field.

If anything, if Goulding didn't resort to taking such ridicolous shots in that 2nd half and he fed the ball into Warrick they would have stood a better chance of winning.


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Bear
Last year
09:36 19 Feb 16

Reply #578680

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I do tend to agree that Cedric and Corey, while also taking some crazy shots, play with a little more sacrifice for the team than Goulding.

However last night when he needed to stand up, Holt went missing for too long and this partnership wasn't as effective as the NZ guard duo.

Then you have to factor in the cameos, Bartlett made shots and that kept NZ handy from the outside while Pedger covered Jackson being fouled out and of course Vukona was awesome...


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Hoopie
Last year
10:47 19 Feb 16

Reply #578704

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I'm with MACDUB.

Until Goulding learns to be ruthless in his approach and focus on his shots instead of his hair and sucking in refs, and becomes more of a team player, he'll always just be a player with potential for me. Sure, he's shown some great skills and exciting plays, but I still reckon he's way short of how good he COULD be.

He reminds me too much of Carmelo Anthony - very talented and exciting but a selfish git who wouldn't pass or defend hard.


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Larry 33
Last year
10:57 19 Feb 16

Reply #578712

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I didn't see the game but can someone tell me what the go was with Odigie?

The stats show he subbed on in the last minute of the first half, fouled a few secs later and subbed out, In the last few seconds of the game he subbed on, fouled a few secs later and was subbed out again,

What was the context?


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Anonymous
Last year
11:03 19 Feb 16

Reply #578715

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Odigie was supposed to foul early at the end of the half as they weren't in the bonus. He gave up a 3 point play instead.


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LV
Last year
11:13 19 Feb 16

Reply #578721

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

In my earlier post I pointed the finger at Holt and Kickert. But some blame must go to Demopoulos too. Why wait so long to call a timeout in the first quarter?

Once United steadied, they did a fine job of getting back into the game (or should I say Warrick did a fine job of getting them back in the game). But they were clearly rattled at the start like a deer in the headlights. Why wait so long to call TO?

Fundamentally though, looking forward to game 2:

I think United have an issue with their bigs.

- Kickert is a below average defender- he doesn't get low enough and doesn’t move well enough laterally. He isn’t physical enough- and isn’t quick enough in getting across to help. Basically he’s a poor defender. But his biggest problem is this: He has no presence on the boards whatsoever. This is a massive issue when you’re playing against perhaps the most physical and tough team in the league, led by one of the toughest guys around, in Vukona. NZ massacred MU on the glass last night, and Kickert is the biggest culprit in letting this happen.

- So my inclination is to bench Kickert. If you’re gonna play 33 minutes and grab 2 rebounds, then you don’t get another 33 minutes.

- But- then you have Majok and Warrick playing together. Warrick was the best player on court last night, but he does his best work in the low post and around the hoop. With Kickert on, it allows the spacing to let Warrick isolate his man in the low post. Kickert helps spread the D so when Warrick rolls to the hoop or cuts baseline, there’s space for him to use his athleticism. With Majok on court we’d have another guy playing near the hoop, which could cause congestion in the lane and make it tougher for Warrick to have another similar impact like last night. Even if Majok steps 12 feet away from the hoop, his defender will hedge because he’ll know Majok isn’t a threat to hit a 12 foot jumper. Which will make it more difficult for Warrick...

Having said the above, if I was Demopoulos I’d still give more time to Majok and less to Kickert. (Last night, Kickert got 33 minutes and Majok got 15). This might be detrimental offensively, but MU needs rebounding and defense right now. Majok plays physical defense, and he’s the best rebounder in the competition. If Holt can get going, it’ll help counter Kickert’s absence on the offensive end.


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Bear
Last year
11:15 19 Feb 16

Reply #578722

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

And late in the game he went in for Kickert I believe, then out for him as a planned substitute from what I saw.


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Bear
Last year
11:19 19 Feb 16

Reply #578724

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

LV, would you consider playing Kickert in the three, Holt and Goulding as the guards and Majok with Warrick to try and cause miss-matches?

I can't remember UTD trying this combination...


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MACDUB
Last year
11:27 19 Feb 16

Reply #578726

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Warrick clawed them back in that 2nd quarter and for a bit of the third, then they resorted to their usual style and it went haywire.

If they went back to Warrick time and time again (as you're taught if something is effective keep going at it):

1. He scores; or
2. He draws fouls and gets Weasley and Vukona out of the game.
3. He scores and draws foul.

They went with Goulding and other perimeter shooters who did neither.


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Bear
Last year
11:35 19 Feb 16

Reply #578729

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I have also been critical of UTD's game plan being the 3 ball first and obviously when they are hitting those shots they look hard to catch.

But in the finals, shooters can tighten up, so you do need those interior options for balance.

This is where the Hawks have it over UTD I believe, especially as their two bigs are very effective in the post. Perth are very strong in the post and last night we saw what the Breakers offer inside.

Seems to be something coaches are keen to exploit, the three ball shooters, and something the game pretends is the 'way to go', but I have always subscribed to the theory that your outside game comes after you try and establish the inside game.

Call me old fashioned like that, but UTD have a huge mountain to climb in a very short time now...


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KET
Last year
11:40 19 Feb 16

Reply #578731

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Am I the only one who doesn't like Melbourne United's coach? I just think he's a bit....


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Last year
11:41 19 Feb 16

Reply #578732

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

...not aiight?


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Anonymous
Last year
11:44 19 Feb 16

Reply #578734

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Bear... U can't play kickert in the 3 unless you play zone, he's a bad defender regardless of what position he plays, sit him in a zone with the best 2 rebounders to cover him, then theres a mismatch somewhere for them on the offensive end....just a thought.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:49 19 Feb 16

Reply #578738

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

LV the solution is to run Blanchfield at the 4 with Warrick when NZ has the right lineup on the floor.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:16 19 Feb 16

Reply #578748

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Lets get 2 times outs in last 2 minutes when we are 10 down. But lets not call any when NZ make their run.


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mystro
Last year
12:26 19 Feb 16

Reply #578752

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Abercrombie's speed and athleticism would kill Kickert at the 3 and he could defend him on the perimeter. If Melbourne go big NZ can put Vukona onto Warrick and run Pledger and Jackson in tandem.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:32 19 Feb 16

Reply #578757

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Breakers Played with intensity and heart. They know how too win plain and simple. Credit where credit is due


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Wilson Sting
Last year
13:32 19 Feb 16

Reply #578778

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

I'm surprised people aren't bringing up the whole Tai Wesley essentially being a 3rd import thing now that he's proving to be a consistent player.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:39 19 Feb 16

Reply #578779

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

looking forward to the Perth V Breakers beat eachother to death GF.


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Bear
Last year
13:57 19 Feb 16

Reply #578785

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Hawks may have something to say about that tonight, but it is a possibility anon^...


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Anonymous
Last year
16:06 19 Feb 16

Reply #578832

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Could be a NZ v Perth final with Perth getting bitch slapped yet again by NZ in a GF.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:13 19 Feb 16

Reply #578985

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

If NZ and Perth end up in the Grand Final again, i think the rest of the league needs to take notes what it takes to consistently make finals....

Core group


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Anonymous
Last year
23:28 19 Feb 16

Reply #578988

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Damo is by far the best defensive player in the league and probably the greatest defensive player the nbl has ever seen.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:34 19 Feb 16

Reply #578993

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

More Perth idiots that have no knowledge of the history of the whole NBL.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:06 20 Feb 16

Reply #579005

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Agree Damo is close to best defender ever in the NBL.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:29 20 Feb 16

Reply #579007

re: United vs Breakers, Game 1 - Feb 18

Close doesn't cut the initial statement


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