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NZ Vs United Game 2

I'm watching in a pub with no sound

Did they explain on the broadcast why Odigie is starting!!!???? What the???

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LV
Last year
17:07 20 Feb 16

Reply #579109

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Great start by Odigie.. and Kickert!


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LV
Last year
17:09 20 Feb 16

Reply #579110

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Odigie!!!!!!


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Hendo8888
Last year
17:12 20 Feb 16

Reply #579111

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Odigie's played like 10 mins all year and suddenly he's starting in the most important game of the season.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:20 20 Feb 16

Reply #579113

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

The standard of refereeing in this league is beyond horrid.

So laughable.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:22 20 Feb 16

Reply #579115

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Odigie was out for most of the season recovering from surgery


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Anonymous
Last year
17:22 20 Feb 16

Reply #579116

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Go Hakim


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Anonymous
Last year
17:24 20 Feb 16

Reply #579117

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Floppers about to be bounced out early!


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Hendo8888
Last year
17:25 20 Feb 16

Reply #579118

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Melbourne really needs Holt and Goulding to fire up if they're going to have a chance.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:25 20 Feb 16

Reply #579119

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Is Perth playing?


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Anonymous
Last year
17:37 20 Feb 16

Reply #579127

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Oh poor LV,replying as anon. Goulding looks like he is having a seizure most of the time on the floor with all his flopping.


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LV
Last year
17:50 20 Feb 16

Reply #579136

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

You cannot reward players who pre empt a potential foul and play for a "shot" that was never going to otherwise be a shot.


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Kas
Last year
17:51 20 Feb 16

Reply #579138

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Love that aggression HAKIM - keep it coming


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Anonymous
Last year
17:51 20 Feb 16

Reply #579140

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

LOL, they give Jackson 3 FTs to that...That is why this league will never crack it as a top 6 sport in this country and get good TV deals...The officiating is beyond comical.


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Mystro
Last year
17:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579143

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Whinging players and crying Coaches improve the spectacle


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Luuuc
Last year
17:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579144

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Smart play by Cedric.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Last year
17:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579145

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

That was a terrible call. Refs that make a more controversial decision instead of the common sense one have lost the plot.


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LV
Last year
17:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579147

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I've never seen a player shoot a three 25 feet from the hoop with their big guy one foot away and running towards them to set a pick and roll....

Great second Q by CG43. United desperately needed someone to get hot and break the game open. Warrick has kept the scoreboard ticking over but CG has taken his game to another level with combination of attacking the hoop and his trade mark 3's.


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Kas
Last year
17:59 20 Feb 16

Reply #579150

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

But I thought it was United who get all the calls their way??


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Dazz
Last year
18:02 20 Feb 16

Reply #579154

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

This has got to be the decider. NZ can sweep the series here, but if MU can reverse it it, I wouldn't forsee NZ winning again in Melbourne.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:08 20 Feb 16

Reply #579156

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Daniel Kickert thinks he is Dirk Norwitzki


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Luuuc
Last year
18:12 20 Feb 16

Reply #579160

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Tai Wesley says don't brung thet shut unto thus buldung


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Anonymous
Last year
18:13 20 Feb 16

Reply #579161

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Dazz the psychic strikes again.


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Red74
Last year
18:14 20 Feb 16

Reply #579162

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Come on nz bros. I want to see cats v breakers again cuz. (Btw once you have beaten MU feel free to go back to your infighting ways during the GF)


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Kas
Last year
18:18 20 Feb 16

Reply #579163

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Does Charles Jackson ever just put his hand up and accept the foul?


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Luuuc
Last year
18:19 20 Feb 16

Reply #579164

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

That Shane Healy guy is playing some useful minutes


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Mystro
Last year
18:21 20 Feb 16

Reply #579165

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Shea Illi playing really well off the bench for a DP. Looking like a solid backup for Ced Jackson moving forward.


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daanswer
Last year
18:22 20 Feb 16

Reply #579166

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Shane Ili > Webster.
Webster is such a confidence player, I dont understand the minutes he is getting at the moment!


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Luuuc
Last year
18:25 20 Feb 16

Reply #579167

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Wow, Ced... Again...


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Mystro
Last year
18:26 20 Feb 16

Reply #579168

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Illi can defend and has hops but Ced Jackson is clutch


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Steve
Last year
18:27 20 Feb 16

Reply #579169

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Get Tomlinson off NOW!


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Mystro
Last year
18:28 20 Feb 16

Reply #579170

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Tick tick tick boom!


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Luuuc
Last year
18:29 20 Feb 16

Reply #579171

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Too much time left for Melbourne to jack up rubbish threes. Suicidal stuff those last few possessions.


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AngusH
Last year
18:30 20 Feb 16

Reply #579172

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Complete lack of poise by Goulding & Holt.


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Tom
Last year
18:30 20 Feb 16

Reply #579174

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

CJ v Goulding. Ili having a great game. Best defender of Goulding we have. Should be playing more. But 5 to go and we have 10 point lead. We are in the drivers seat. United look rattled. Keep throwing up those prayers.
Webster time.


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Tornado
Last year
18:31 20 Feb 16

Reply #579175

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Good night Melbourne!

When was the last time the top seed was swept in the first round?

I bet everyone is wishing teams played it so Adelaide made the finals instead now...


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AngusH
Last year
18:32 20 Feb 16

Reply #579176

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

It all started with that bad Tomlinson long 2, since then I don't know if Melbourne have run a set.


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Luuuc
Last year
18:35 20 Feb 16

Reply #579178

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Well, credit where it's due.
United were a very entertaining regular season team.


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AngusH
Last year
18:36 20 Feb 16

Reply #579180

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Unfortunately for the Finals series, Perth and NZ weren't...


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Mystro
Last year
18:37 20 Feb 16

Reply #579181

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Ced Jackson looking like the finals MVP Ced Jackson and Abercrombie coming up clutch down the stretch


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Train
Last year
18:37 20 Feb 16

Reply #579182

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I've mentioned this so many times before, but the Breakers are on a whole different level come finals time. They should be hard favourites to take out the title again.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:37 20 Feb 16

Reply #579183

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

LOL lets see the Breakers try and dominate the Wildcats on the board....DREAM ON Breakers supporters.


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Luuuc
Last year
18:39 20 Feb 16

Reply #579184

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Given that we couldn't keep the Hawks off the boards, it doesn't take very imaginative dreaming.


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AngusH
Last year
18:41 20 Feb 16

Reply #579185

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

NZ are probably the one team that matches up OK inside against Perth with Pledger, Vukona, Tai and Jackson (when not in foul trouble).


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Train
Last year
18:42 20 Feb 16

Reply #579186

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

@anon183 - I am a Perth supporter and Perth will be fearful of Breakers.


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Luuuc
Last year
18:42 20 Feb 16

Reply #579187

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Agreed.
I sure didn't want them in the playoffs.


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:43 20 Feb 16

Reply #579188

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Webster goes 9/29 and NZ still wins both games.

Holt 8/28, Goulding 14/39.


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AngusH
Last year
18:44 20 Feb 16

Reply #579189

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Vukona and Damian Martin get away with more contact on the perimeter than anyone else in the league.


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Kobe24
Last year
18:45 20 Feb 16

Reply #579190

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Breakers will win it so that's something atleast.


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Tornado
Last year
18:47 20 Feb 16

Reply #579191

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

NZ Vs Perth Grand Final...AGAIN - Boring.

Credit to them both and their organisations though...just a tad tedious for me.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:47 20 Feb 16

Reply #579192

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

This sure looks like a championship team to me.


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:48 20 Feb 16

Reply #579193

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I never bet against Perth at home in Playoffs. They are still my tip for the Championship.


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Steve
Last year
18:48 20 Feb 16

Reply #579194

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Tomlinson back on, shoots the brick, Blanchfield gun shooter hasn't had a shot this quarter


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Kas
Last year
18:48 20 Feb 16

Reply #579195

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Great season United - proud of the team
Did very well for pretty much a new team of players & coach against teams who have had steady rosters for years


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AngusH
Last year
18:48 20 Feb 16

Reply #579196

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Starting to look like a lower tier Euro league, same two teams winning it each year.


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Train
Last year
18:48 20 Feb 16

Reply #579197

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

United should never of rested players against NZ in the first or their 2 last regular season games. Momentum in basketball is everything. Looking forward to another chapter in the Perth vs NZ rivalry.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:49 20 Feb 16

Reply #579198

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

LIve by the 3.....DIE by the 3.

Dnt worry, Cedric Jackson's luck will also run out....


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Anonymous
Last year
18:51 20 Feb 16

Reply #579199

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Cedric & Damo both raining threes. What is going on? Which one of them returns to their true shooting form could be pivotal in the GF.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:52 20 Feb 16

Reply #579200

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

3 playoff games thus far....3 blow out finishes...LOL

Nothing has changed in this bush league


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:53 20 Feb 16

Reply #579201

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Melbourne finished top, but lost their last 4 games, all against the same team. Funny how it only takes one bad match-up to deny a Championship.


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BT
Last year
18:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579203

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

LOL! Yeah blowouts galore.
So many blowouts in this league that they might as well re-name it to the "NBL" next season. LOL!


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AngusH
Last year
18:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579204

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Blanchfield maybe the most disappointing Aussie of the year, going for up-and-coming star to invisible role player.

Majok Majok going from a league-leading rebound machine to basically invisible in the last third of the season.

Strange year for Melbourne.


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Red74
Last year
18:56 20 Feb 16

Reply #579205

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Good bye bubbles. Maybe next year you tool. Ok NZ remember when that guy did that thing that the other guy didn't like and your coach and GM leaving? Yeah, well remember that and talk about it on the way over the dutch


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:56 20 Feb 16

Reply #579206

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

May have ended in somewhat of a blow-out, but Melbourne was winning at half time in both games. It's not like they never were in it.


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Tom
Last year
18:56 20 Feb 16

Reply #579207

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Well done Breakers. Abercrombie, Wesley came up big. United not in it really in Q4. Holt mia. Goulding's outrageous shots will drop occasionally but they never drop when you want them to.
The refs pinched a game off us early in the season. So we had their number...
Perth will be tougher.


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Last year
18:57 20 Feb 16

Reply #579208

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I'd say their lack of finals experience played a bigger part in losing than the "momentum" they lost in the final two games.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:58 20 Feb 16

Reply #579209

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

What does it take for a close finish in this league?

That foul just before half time that gave Jackson 3 FTs sums up this league.

It will NEVER be a top 6 sport in this country


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Anonymous
Last year
19:01 20 Feb 16

Reply #579211

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Why is Tai Wesley not regarded as an import?


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Kas
Last year
19:02 20 Feb 16

Reply #579213

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Love you CG43 - please come back next season

Haters gonna hate


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Tyrell
Last year
19:03 20 Feb 16

Reply #579215

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

YEAH BREAKERS!! Bring on the GF- I hope Kirk Penney drops 35 tomorrow and Hawks win the series so we can beat them in the GF!


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AngusH
Last year
19:04 20 Feb 16

Reply #579217

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Wesley isn't an import because he lived in Guam for half an hour.


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Hoopie
Last year
19:04 20 Feb 16

Reply #579218

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Wanted United to win but was never convinced by The coaching during the season, let alone the finals.

I hope they bring in a tougher coach who doesn't have a bromance with Goulding. Goulding needs a good kick up the jacksy - he believes in the hype too much.

Go Breakers!!! Do NOT let Perth beat you.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:05 20 Feb 16

Reply #579220

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

It already is a top 6. Don't take it too hard. Mummy's got the tissues ready.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:05 20 Feb 16

Reply #579221

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Enjoyable game, Abercrombie absolute gun.
Nbl is a good league wish some people would stop bagging it.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:07 20 Feb 16

Reply #579223

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Breakers won the rebounding count 47-32...

GOOD LUCK doing that against Jawai Knight, Jervis and co...

LOL...Wildcats will sweep the series....

Jackson wont hit those blow a## 3s with a hand in his face again...

Everyone gets lucky, and he is just getting lucky...The mean will revert back to the average


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Mystro
Last year
19:10 20 Feb 16

Reply #579225

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Yeah should be a great series if Perth can put the Hawks away. Perth need to close it out in two and hope no one goes down injured.

NZ with the opportunity to make it 5 titles in 6 seasons and continue the dynasty.
Amazing turn of form considering the started the season poorly missing a few key players and then found some form and rattled off some wins before imploding and turning to crap and then just scraped into the playoffs on after sorting their shit again.


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Dazz
Last year
19:11 20 Feb 16

Reply #579226

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Why is Tai Wesley not regarded as an import?
His Dad is Fijian, plus he spent time in Guam growing up and holds Guam citizenship.
He has actually played for the Guam national team.
So either via Guam or Fiji, he qualifies as a local in Oceania.
Similar to Drake U'U (Samoan father) and Earnest Ross (born in Guam) who played for the Cats last season.


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Mystro
Last year
19:15 20 Feb 16

Reply #579229

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Breakers #1 rebounding team in the league and owned the series against Perth again this season.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:16 20 Feb 16

Reply #579230

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

yes they owned perth 2-2 this season


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koberulz
Last year
19:23 20 Feb 16

Reply #579232

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

"When was the last time the top seed was swept in the first round?"
1988.


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AngusH
Last year
19:26 20 Feb 16

Reply #579233

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Perth fans definitely lead hoops.com.au in obnoxious anonymous posters.


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Dazz
Last year
19:26 20 Feb 16

Reply #579234

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Obviously this is something else we must blame Perth for? FMD

NZ have won 4 titles in 5 years, obviously they were going to be a tough opponent if they made the finals.
Melbourne dug their own grave when they threw the first game against NZ in the final round, then came out with their CBF attitude in the 2nd. As I said before that week, you don't want to hand that kind of psychological edge to a team you will then meet in the finals. LK should sack whoever made that great strategic decision.

From a Perth perspective, I had no great desire to see the sheeplanders in yet another GF series. Might Perth have eased off in that final game if Adelaide had a chance? We'll never know because it was dead-rubber from the moment MU decided to throw that 1st game.

We still have to get past the Hawks before we can start talking about the GF, but NZ will be a bloody tough opponent for whoever makes it.

Now I suppose the interest turns to what LK will do in the off-season in his next attempt to buy a title. Adelaide fans might want to consider what they can do to keep Randle out of LK's paws.
I'd say chances of the 3-import rule going ahead just increased.


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ChairmanOfTheBored
Last year
19:27 20 Feb 16

Reply #579235

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I'm really hoping tomorrow Penney uncorks the genie and goes off for 60 points to make this finals series actually interesting because right now i'm yawning my way into a self induced coma.


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Dazz
Last year
19:44 20 Feb 16

Reply #579237

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

What does it take for a close finish in this league?
Ah blowout troll, I take it you've never actually watched a game of basketball, and just look at the final scores?

A game where the winner is behind most of the game, claws their way to a 1 point lead at 3-quater time, and actually trails again early in the 4th is not a "blow-out."
There have been blow-outs this season, games that were over by half-time, with the victors running their bench. This wasn't one.
NZ took a 10-point lead in a 2 minute passage of play, they could have lost again just as easily. I've seen incredibly close games where the lead has ebbed and flowed by a dozen points either way. This is basketball, not Soccer.


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AngusH
Last year
19:44 20 Feb 16

Reply #579238

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

It's a shame how things shook out, because a Melbourne-Hawks semi or finals probably would've been a series for the ages.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:12 20 Feb 16

Reply #579244

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I'm glad you were down at the pub LV - for once you weren't doing the dishes!

(or are they waiting for you once you get home?)


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Anonymous
Last year
20:13 20 Feb 16

Reply #579245

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Congrats to all of hoops.com.au pretty much everyone on here had NZ beating a dodgy United. Well done.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:02 20 Feb 16

Reply #579256

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

What prices did we get on NZ willing it all earlier on?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:11 20 Feb 16

Reply #579261

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Define earlier on. Once they qualified and the top four were set the odds were really tight ranging from $2.50 for Perth up to $5 for NZ. Obviously before NZ went on the end of regular season winning streak their odds would have been double figures at one point.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:22 20 Feb 16

Reply #579270

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Anon most would be just talking but not sure how many actually put money down.


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proud
Last year
21:25 20 Feb 16

Reply #579272

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Agree with Angus completely... Blanchfield went from fringe boomer potential to MIA after game 1. Majok either got found out in a big way or is completely disinterested... Remember talk of him finishing the season with ten boards a game?

So that makes it Dockers (AFL), Roosters (NRL) , Scorchers (BBL) and United (NBL) all finishing top of the ladder and not making grand finals (unless I'm wrong) so that seems like a bit of a curse to me.

I anticipate copping a lot of shit for this but to me Mitch Young should be the most sought after player in the market for next season... Games are refugee differently in finals and he is the sort of hard nosed tough defender that will cause issues come playoff time. If Damo and Mila can get away with what they do by being tough and fair then maybe Mitch Young could forge a similar reputation.

Well done to the Breakers so it's Kenny/Penney vs. the Breakers


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Luuuc
Last year
21:33 20 Feb 16

Reply #579277

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I like Mitch Young, but wow, that's a big call.


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Ingles13
Last year
21:35 20 Feb 16

Reply #579279

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

HAHAHAHHA

Mitch Young

???

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Dazz
Last year
21:42 20 Feb 16

Reply #579280

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Starting to look like a lower tier Euro league, same two teams winning it each year.
Hardly. NBL teams go through their golden ages.
From '83 to '89, Canberra Cannons played in 4 GF's
from '84 to '90, Brisbane played in 5
from '87 to '95, Perth played in 5
from '96 to '00, SEM/ Titans played in 5,
from '03 to '08, Sydney played in (wait for it) 5,
from '06 to '09, Tigers played in 4
from '11 to '16, Breakers played in 5,
from '10 to '16, this could be Wildcats' 5th.


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FM
Last year
21:42 20 Feb 16

Reply #579281

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

How much did MU spend this year. Their coach has no clue on FIBA basketball, hence all his crazy last minute ideas don't work. Over talented playing group for this league but no helm. Goulding has gone from a grind it out work hard guard to a complete Lark, with his strut down the floor and all his other BS. When it works it looks great, when he can't pull it off in clutch it is embarrassing.

No intent to foul a player should ever be rewarded, it needs to always be penalised (hence the multiple of rule changes in the past 15 years, USF break away, foul before the inbound, hard foul verses intentional foul). MU had a foul to give, thought yep lets foul Jackson. Unfortunately when your coach is yelling at one of the dumbest players in the NBL to foul Jackson, of course he is going to jack up a shot. You foul a player in the act of shooting, it should be shots. Hence they got this call correct and it was the right call.

Game control was good tonight. Brad didn't even try and make the game all about him. I can't stand the guy as a ref but I must admit he has stepped up well in the finals. The call on CG for pushing down Abercrombie leg will be a highlight in FIBA training videos when describing Right Call, but Incorrect Call. Lucky there is that little bit in the rule book which speaks about spirit of the game, intent of the rules and gives officials leeway when something happens in the game in which the law makers never thought anybody would be so childish to attempt to pull off.

Nice work Sixers, you might not of got to win the championship but allowing NZ to take your place might have the biggest influence on this years winner


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Dazz
Last year
21:54 20 Feb 16

Reply #579285

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Blanchfield maybe the most disappointing Aussie of the year, going for up-and-coming star to invisible role player.

Majok Majok going from a league-leading rebound machine to basically invisible in the last third of the season.

Strange year for Melbourne.
Strange Indeed.
Blanchfield, I don't know. Could be what happens when a "local hero" gets lured by the big bucks, but can't handle the big pressure that goes with it. He's hardly a crab, but probably not what MU thought they were buying.

I never understood the hype over Majok. First time I saw him play for MU, I thought he was very one-dimensional. Grabs a lot of boards, doesn't do much else. Handy to have around, but definitely a role-player.


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Luuuc
Last year
22:03 20 Feb 16

Reply #579287

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I'll bet they felt pretty happy with their acquisition when he had amassed 44 points & 23 boards after 2 games.
He was certainly looking good to me, anyway.

Things went mostly in the southerly direction from him from that point, unfortunately.


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proud
Last year
22:25 20 Feb 16

Reply #579288

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

You're damn right I said Mitch Young, in this series is have picked him over Daniel Kickert of whom looked soft, scared and clueless... Young gives away too many overzealous fouls but they aren't always called in playoffs and with the shit that Goulding and Holt were throwing up I'd rather pick the additional rebounder as Majok wasn't getting it done and the All NBL first team honour seems to have gone to Kickert's head.

Only thing Kickert gave that Young can't and never will was clutch free throws but in a fantasy world where Young was coming off the bench behind Kickert, I'd be dragging him if his shot isn't dropping and putting Young in to play extended minutes and give Kickert fouls up his sleeve in clutch time.

Yes I'd pick Young up before Garlepp as Garlepp doesn't look interested running the floor, can't defend the perimeter, doesn't rebound and unless he replaces Foreman in Illawarra's starting line up I can't see him having a bigger role next season than he had this season unless he stays in Sydney.


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LV
Last year
22:29 20 Feb 16

Reply #579289

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Disappointing finish to the season for United. In the final analysis it was experienced finals campaigners like Jackson. Vukona and Abercrombie who won it for NZ. Along with of course, dominating the boards.

Meanwhile Kickert is seriously overrated. All NBL first team but the only thing he's elite at is shooting the ball. Him only getting 5 rebounds in 60 minutes of time was one of the main reasons United were swept.

At least there will be a silver lining to Holt's late season and playoff disappearance: it should decrease his value on the open market, giving United a better chance of bringing him back. Hopefully he'll be better for the experience: like Wilbekin last year, Cedric Jackson showed him that the big boys come to play at the business end. But Holt is young and has talent. United should try copying the Wildcats formula- there's something to be said for import continuity. I'm thinking of Lisch, Beal.

Where to from here? I'm not sure. Is the rebounding issue a terminal one for this team? Or can great ball control and offensive execution overcome it? Because if the former then we simply need to improve the frontcourt. I think Kickert initially signed a 3 yr deal. If so, 1 year left. That kind of means the rebounding issue is here to stay.

I honestly believe if United had a tough, physical guy at the 4 spot: eg: Wortho, Vukona, instead of soft Kickert, they'd be the best team in the competition. Instead, we were unlucky enough to get our nightmare matchup, and got beaten up by the Breakers.

Interesting times ahead.


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LV
Last year
22:32 20 Feb 16

Reply #579290

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

@ anon I just checked, the dishes are still sitting there.

Perhaps I can contemplate Uniteds future while I do them.

Argh, my weekend just got worse ;-)


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LV
Last year
22:46 20 Feb 16

Reply #579293

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Well there are plenty of reasons I'd love to see NZ defeat Perth, one of them being all the money I've got on them, including the extra I slipped on @ $3.20 before the game this arvo

But another will be that it'll hopefully cause Dazz to tone down his bullshit


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BigAds
Last year
23:12 20 Feb 16

Reply #579296

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

"Unlucky enough to get our nightmare matchup"

I believe many Adelaide fans, whether right or wrong, will suggest otherwise and counter with the view United got what they deserved, with the last round decision to rest players being a footnote in the Breakers dynasty story (a fictional story according to some).


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ME
Last year
23:22 20 Feb 16

Reply #579297

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I slept on NZ this year. But once I saw them in Game 1, I knew they were going to sweep the series. I really, really don't want NZ to win again this year. It is becoming a little bit embarrassing from an Australian perspective.


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LV
Last year
23:35 20 Feb 16

Reply #579299

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Adelaide weren't good enough to beat Illawarra or Perth, so United's decision to rest players was irrelevant- if United had won both games NZ would still have finished 4th and Adelaide would have missed out.


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Dazz
Last year
23:43 20 Feb 16

Reply #579301

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Adelaide weren't good enough to beat Illawarra or Perth, so United's decision to throw a game was irrelevant
Yep, I'm sure that's exactly what Demopolous is saying, whilst trying to prise LK's foot out of his arse.


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Tornado
Last year
02:08 21 Feb 16

Reply #579304

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Let's be honest, the Breakers are a National team playing against club teams - they should be dominating.


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proud
Last year
02:18 21 Feb 16

Reply #579305

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Yeah that's my point about Young... You'd take Kickert, DJ and to a lesser extent Ogilvy every day of the week of the likes of Young, Petrie (Wortgo, Vukona, Damo and Mark Dalton back in the day types) during the regular season but when it's playoffs and you're coming up against opponents that would run through a brick wall for their team and refs are only calling soft fouls then you don't want to appear like Kickert of whom looked like he was worried about having a hair out of place.

I seriously wonder what the strategy will be if teams get a third import, surely teams will go for a player with grunt otherwise it will forever be NZ and Perth grand fonals


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Mystro
Last year
04:04 21 Feb 16

Reply #579306

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Is Abercrombie still just an average shooter and nothing to fear?


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Tom
Last year
04:34 21 Feb 16

Reply #579307

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Spot on Mystro, but you have to admit where has this Abercrombie been all year. He has the ability but I'm not sure he has the confidence to go to the Penney, Lish, He subbed for Webster last night down the stretch.
He could be the difference against Perth with that athleticism.


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Mystro
Last year
05:58 21 Feb 16

Reply #579310

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Abercrombie has been having a pretty solid season bar a couple of games where he went MIA but the whole team especially Ced Jackson and Corey Webster were in the same boat during that period. His defence is superb and his consistent outside shot and mid range jump shot makes him an even tougher guard.

Every once in a while Jack Toft gets on the turps and tries and talks up the one dimensional Mitch "Dr No J" Creek as surpassing Abercrombie but it's games like last night that show how large the gulf between the two really is.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
08:48 21 Feb 16

Reply #579313

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Lol, agree.

Creek is a bum compared to Abercrombie. That guy is a serious baller.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:02 21 Feb 16

Reply #579314

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I never saw double numbers. The best I could get was only 5:1 in early Oct and another dip in early Nov. Here's hoping. $1.67 is still available for Perth.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:16 21 Feb 16

Reply #579317

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Was every poster on this thread drunk last night?

There were a bunch of posts about how good Mitch Young is.... a guy that plays like he is wearing thick gloves.

Screenshot, and saved to desktop so I can easily read next time I need a laugh.


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Hendo8888
Last year
09:18 21 Feb 16

Reply #579318

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Creek needs to be at least not scared to shoot from more than 10 feet to have any chance to catch Abercrombie. He passes up wide open shots all game, to the point where teams don't even bother defending him.
He has a lot of good abilities, but his shooting really holds him back as a player.


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paul
Last year
09:37 21 Feb 16

Reply #579322

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Abercrombie had a down patch when the team did, but apart from that he's had a super season, he does so much for the team at both ends of the floor, that's why he leads them in minutes per game.


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Wilson Sting
Last year
09:38 21 Feb 16

Reply #579323

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

I hope Mitch Young has an NBA out clause with the hype he's generating on this forum.


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Jack Toft
Last year
10:08 21 Feb 16

Reply #579327

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Mystro, it's my right as a goddam Adelaide fan to talk up Mitch Creek!


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Hendo8888
Last year
10:15 21 Feb 16

Reply #579329

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

"So that makes it Dockers (AFL), Roosters (NRL) , Scorchers (BBL) and United (NBL) all finishing top of the ladder and not making grand finals (unless I'm wrong) so that seems like a bit of a curse to me."

The eventual winners all finished 3rd or 4th too. So NZ would have to be favourite, if the trend continues.


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paul
Last year
10:15 21 Feb 16

Reply #579330

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Mitch had an excellent finish to the season. Hopefully Adelaide have faith in him as their main SF next year and he delivers that form consistently.


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Tornado
Last year
10:53 21 Feb 16

Reply #579337

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Mystro...whilst Abercrombie is better than Mitch, in the past you have also said Terangi is better than Mitch - that's not accurate.


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PlaymakerMo
Last year
11:03 21 Feb 16

Reply #579339

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Wrong thread, Mystro. There's already one for 'Biased NZ Commentators'.


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PlaymakerMo
Last year
11:06 21 Feb 16

Reply #579340

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Abercrombie is 5 years older than Creek, and has been repeatedly hyped up as NBA-bound over the years. You'd hope that he is actually better than a fringe NBL starter.

Mitch "Dr No J" Creek:
22(MPG), 10(PPG), 54(FG%), 55(3P%), 63(True Shooting %)
Tom Abercrombie:
32(MPG), 14(PPG), 46(FG%), 38(3P%), 55(True Shooting %)

As well as Abercrombie has played this year, the gulf really isn't THAT great.


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Hendo8888
Last year
11:09 21 Feb 16

Reply #579341

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Mitch Creek 0.38/0.69 55%
Teams leave him wide open like 8 times a game and he only shoots it 0.69 times per game.
Percentage isn't everything.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:29 21 Feb 16

Reply #579344

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Creek PER 18.1 (10th in the league)
Abercrombie 13.9 ((34th in the league)

I'm not sure if you've been watching clips from 4 years ago although I didn't see teams leaving Creek open this season. Also finding a way to be critical of a player that shot over 50% from 2 and 3 is interesting.

Its just a minutes thing. He should have played more this season. He averaged around 20 mins, it should have been around 30.


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AngusH
Last year
11:31 21 Feb 16

Reply #579345

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Abercrombie is athletic and has a great midrange game, but he's just not very aggressive and that's what's held him back. Too many stretches where he fades into the background. Only similarity between him and Creek is that they are both athletic, but Abercrombie is more well-rounded. I'd like to see a shot chart for Abercrombie and Creek, because my eyes tell me that most of Creek's high FG% comes from inside the key.


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Cram
Last year
13:15 21 Feb 16

Reply #579347

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Stoked. Eat that LK. Maybe next season he needs to steal another player from a struggling team so United can win a playoff game?


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Mystro
Last year
15:16 21 Feb 16

Reply #579400

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

TeRangi showed real promise early on and is still very young. His 3 ball was on in his first couple of NZNBL seasons and he's athletic but his percentages fell off a cliff and he hasn't developed as hoped at NBL level. But again he is still young and if he can pull his finger out of his ass and work hard he may still reach his potential. His confidence also took a dive after his off court transgression almost cost him his career.

Fair enough call though in regards to my previous calls about Reuben TeRangi, I'll cop that one on the chin but BJ Anthony was a scrub and a bum until he pulled on a Sixers jersey apparently.....

Abercrombie's only flaw is lack of aggression, Creek is one dimensional and is only dangerous attacking the rim.

Abercrombie > Creek


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Anonymous
Last year
15:41 21 Feb 16

Reply #579439

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Bit surprised at the Abercrombie vs. Creek debate.

Abo is clearly the better player.


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PlaymakerMo
Last year
16:12 21 Feb 16

Reply #579477

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Hendo, true shooting percentage takes into account the relative value of three pointers, which at least partially account for the difference in the attempts per game disparity.

Abercrombie IS clearly the better player, which you would hope given that he's 5 years older than Creek and has been hyped up as an NBA-caliber player.

Throwing in "Dr No J" was just a silly comment and a flawed argument given that Abercrombie has been a poor free throw shooter for years, has a worse FT% compared to Creek and has a comparable (not definitively superior) three point shot.

As others have mentioned: Abercrombie's mid-range game and ability to shoot of the dribble is elite. Creek playing well within his capabilities isn't a weakness though, particularly given the lower relative value of the mid-range jump shot.


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Mystro
Last year
16:53 21 Feb 16

Reply #579511

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Very true PlaymakerMo but you get way more bites with "Dr No J"....


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Tom
Last year
17:00 21 Feb 16

Reply #579513

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Mystro, Abercrombie does have another flaw, dribbling. He is very shaky and thankfully limits it to 1,2 hop and does not try to do too much.


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PlaymakerMo
Last year
18:29 21 Feb 16

Reply #579547

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Hook, line, and sinker.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:09 21 Feb 16

Reply #579554

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Guys, Abercrombie has had five seasons shooting 40% or better from the arc, he is a clearly superior shooter to Creek, especially when you factor he shoots contested threes and elevates coming off staggers whereas Creek mostly just shoots when wide open.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:38 21 Feb 16

Reply #579573

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

No point in pointing out the obvious to the great unwashed.


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Anonymous
Last year
02:11 22 Feb 16

Reply #579594

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

Anon #579314 you never saw double numbers? On 29 January NZ were $19 to win the ship. Then the win streak started. Hard to believe the state of affairs that were around a mere three weeks ago.


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Duncan
Last year
06:10 22 Feb 16

Reply #579599

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

You guys watched Melbourne play right? Talk about Blanchfield was a local guy that can´t cut in on the big bucks, what blah blah rubbish. Did you watch game 2? I watched intently as in 13 minutes of the second half, the whole third and first 3 mins of the 4th, Blanchfield TOUCHED the ball twice. That´s right, even included there lame attempt at ball reversals, he touched it twice. So GTFO with any talk that Blanchfield has suddenly forgotten how to ball.

The United system turned him into David Barlow. I had wondered what happened to David Barlow and now realise he is living through Blanchfield. United´s sets, against the well-oiled machine, were an unimaginative disgrace. Pretending like there is ball movement as they go through a slow ball reversal that results in Goulding inevitably and predictably comes off a pick and tries to make something happen. Failing that, option 2 Holt attempts same thing. Option 3 hit Kickert for the 3, if there´s a close out... pretend he can take someone off the dribble. Option 3b, maybe dump into the post to a guy who once played NBA. None of those options to get any kind of look for Blanchfield unless he is naked for 3. Otherwise he runs up and down for 30 minutes, plays D and rebounds. If he stayed at Townsville and had another big year I think he´d be off to Europe next year, tough break, but definitely was a result of the system not Blanchfield ´feeling the pressure´ or any other Skip Bayless-style generality.

Having said that... this is also the thread that was comparing Abercrombie to Creek.


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mystro
Last year
14:19 22 Feb 16

Reply #579655

re: NZ Vs United Game 2

"Having said that... this is also the thread that was comparing Abercrombie to Creek."

To be fair I bought up that comparison from a previous thread a while ago so Adelaide fans had something to talk about :)


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