Isaac
Years ago

BA name Boomers Olympic Squad

A reduced squad of 16 will enter into a selection camp from July 5-10, once the Boomers commitments in the NBA and Europe conclude.
The Boomers 2016 Olympic squad:

NAME SURNAME CLUB
1 David Andersen ASVEL (France)
2 Cameron Bairstow Chicago Bulls
3 Aron Baynes Detroit Pistons
4 Todd Blanchfield Melbourne United
5 Andrew Bogut Golden State Warriors
6 Angus Brandt Sydney Kings
7 Ryan Broekhoff Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia)
8 Mitchell Creek Adelaide 36ers
9 Matthew Dellavedova Cleveland Cavaliers
10 Dante Exum Utah Jazz
11 Adam Gibson Adelaide 36ers
12 Cameron Gliddon Cairns Taipans
13 Chris Goulding Melbourne United
14 Joe Ingles Utah Jazz
15 Nathan Jawai Perth Wildcats
16 Daniel Kickert Melbourne United
17 Kevin Lisch* Illawarra Hawks
18 Aleks Maric Buducnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
19 Damian Martin Perth Wildcats
20 Patrick Mills San Antonio Spurs
21 Brock Motum Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania)
22 Brad Newley Gran Canaria (Spain)
23 Mitchell Norton Townsville Crocodiles
24 Ben Simmons LSU
25 Clint Steindl Townsville Crocodiles
26 Lucas Walker Adelaide 36ers

No Ogilvy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How can WALKER be named in the squad but no AJ.

What a joke.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Deee Lisch!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Walker and Ogilvy play different positions so perhaps not a fair comparison. But how does Angus Brandt make it and not AJ? Maybe AJ ruled himself out?

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KET  
Years ago

1 David Andersen ASVEL (France)
2 Cameron Bairstow Chicago Bulls
3 Aron Baynes Detroit Pistons
4 Andrew Bogut Golden State Warriors
5 Ryan Broekhoff Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia)
6 Matthew Dellavedova Cleveland Cavaliers
7 Dante Exum Utah Jazz
8 Chris Goulding Melbourne United
9 Joe Ingles Utah Jazz
10 Kevin Lisch* Illawarra Hawks
11 Aleks Maric Buducnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
12 Damian Martin Perth Wildcats
13 Patrick Mills San Antonio Spurs
14 Brock Motum Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania)
15 Brad Newley Gran Canaria (Spain)
16 Ben Simmons LSU

There you go BA :P

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Baller#3  
Years ago

1 David Andersen ASVEL (France)
2 Cameron Bairstow Chicago Bulls
3 Aron Baynes Detroit Pistons
5 Andrew Bogut Golden State Warriors
7 Ryan Broekhoff Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia)
9 Matthew Dellavedova Cleveland Cavaliers
10 Dante Exum Utah Jazz
13 Chris Goulding Melbourne United
14 Joe Ingles Utah Jazz
17 Kevin Lisch* Illawarra Hawks
18 Aleks Maric Buducnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
19 Damian Martin Perth Wildcats
20 Patrick Mills San Antonio Spurs
21 Brock Motum Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania)
22 Brad Newley Gran Canaria (Spain)
24 Ben Simmons LSU

Then from that most likely Exum will not play, Simmons will not play.
Cut Martin and Maric.

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skull  
Years ago

player numbers to be cut from Isaac's post,
4,6,8,11,12,16,18,23,25,26.

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paul  
Years ago

Agree with above except would have Jawai in for Maric. Nate can impact a game in a few minutes, as he showed against Lithuania at the WC, Aleks doesn't have that.

The 26man squad is clearly picked on what theyve done in Boomers set ups before, both Walker and Brandt had very good camps in 2014. Ogilvy should be in this squad, yes his mental toughness is a concern, but none of our other bigs have his combo of mobility and athleticisk.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

shame about simmons

I would have enjoyed watching bogut set high picks for him with broekhoff and ingles camped on opposite 3 pt lines and delly or mills running the show...

shame

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Aussiebballer  
Years ago

No point ruling out Simmons yet, maybe his new team will think that the Olympics will be a better experience then junky NBA SL games.

Plus his shoe company will prefer him to play in the Olympics and they will be paying him more for the next 4 years :)

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Baller#3  
Years ago

Hopefully both Simmons and Exum are in. If they both are in I would take out Newley/Goulding and bairstow

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Who I'd pick:

1 Dellavedova / Lisch / Exum
2 Mills / Goulding / Newley
3 Ingles / Broekhoff / Simmons
4 Motum / Bairstow / Andersen / Kickert
5 Baynes / Bogut / Jawai

Perhaps Martin in for Kickert.

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paul  
Years ago

Other teams would enjoy watching Bogut setting high screens for Simmons too as both defenders had a rest in the paint.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

paul got it all figured out

elbow screen then, he can make that shot

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*laughing emoji with tears* re: paul's comment! Too good paul! Although I do recall last time Bogut played for Australia at the Olympics he was shooting 3s! Anyone have the stats?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yep he was 0/2

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Anonymous  
Years ago

is simmons only player we have that can get to bucket ?

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MACDUB  
Years ago

Locks are Mills, Dellavedova, Bogut, Ingles and Lisch (assuming naturalised). That's presuming Exum and Simmons aren't available.

All the rest can fight it out for spots.


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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm going to need to know more about the lack of Ogilvy!? This doesn't make any sense, Lucas Walker god love him is not at this level.

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Isaac  
Years ago

You could sense in one of the Hawks games he commented that Lemanis just doesn't like or rate Ogilvy for whatever reason. The other commentator kept trying to make the case and Lemanis was being obviously non-committal to the point where you knew there was more to it. Either doesn't rate his toughness or BIQ or something else.

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paul  
Years ago

Bogut shot it really well in Beijing, my memory says around 60%. If he can rediscover that form somehow it would be very good news for the Boomers!

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Benno  
Years ago

Great for all the NBL guys to get a run with our big dogs, will do great for there confidence and there game. Stoked for Mitch Norton guy played his heart out this season!

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???  
Years ago

Bogut not going to join Boomers and all of a sudden become a 20 point scorer and shoot the lights out.
He will be best used in the same role as he plays with Warriors.

Personally I would like to see Damien Martin get a crack to play some D against the better players out there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If I recall correctly, I thought the Boomers head coach gig was one that required to be "full-time"? So with Lemanis picking up the Brissy gig, will this be the last tournament for him before he has to give up the reigns? How does it work?

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LC  
Years ago

I believe that this is Lemanis' final campaign.

I would have an AJ Ogilvy in. Walker out.

Also, would have been nice to see a couple of others for the future such as Venky Jois, Anthony Drmic (who is coming good at the end of the season and been part of Boomer squads before).

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Luuuc  
Years ago

>Bogut shot it really well in Beijing, my memory says around 60%.

Yep. Same as his 3P% and his FT% :p

> If he can rediscover that form somehow it would be very good news for the Boomers!

It would, but if he could rediscover that form I'm pretty sure the Warriors would have found out about it by now.
He hasn't been a scorer since the arm injury, which is a pity as he used to be a very reliable shooter out to international 3 point range.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

final 12 hopefully Imo...

Delly/exum
Mills/lisch
Broekhoff/ingles/Newley
Motum/Anderson/Simmons
Bogut/baynes

It'll be boguts last tournament, so I'm sure ogilvy will take over his spot...

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FM  
Years ago

Not a fan of Lisch in the squad. We have enough Australian talent that we shouldn't have to go down the naturalisation route.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Who would you have ahead of him? The guy is a 2-time MVP, legit two-way player, has experience in top European leagues and is a great teammate to boot. I'd be finding room for him.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would take lisch ahead of goulding he is a much better defender and can shoot the ball just as well as him.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lol. Someone ahead of him...
We need awesome defence in the backcourt..
The problem area is defence at the sf position.

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joshuapending  
Years ago

Can't see them letting Dante play, also Bogut seemed like he did not think SImmons would be playing either.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

With no exum or Simmons...

Delly/mills
Lisch/Newley/Goulding
Broekhoff/ingles
Motum/Anderson/bairstow
Bogut/baynes

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Wwizard  
Years ago

Seriously? Creek and Walker making the squad of 26?

Man....., perhaps its a hallmark of a differential between what is good and what is good to average.

Good to average doesn't make the Olympic squads I know unless you are competing for sport for the first time and then of course.

Good luck with that BA

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Delly/mills
Lisch/Newley/Goulding
Broekhoff/ingles
Motum/Anderson/bairstow
Bogut/baynes

That would be my 12 too assuming Simmons doesn't play. If he does chuck Bairstow over the back fence.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Outside open looks and Lobs to Bogut and baynes will be our thing.
Delly and exum do that very well, so I'd prefer mills and lisch at sg.
We also need delly and exams defence against the likes of curry, Irving, Westbrook etc.

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ME  
Years ago

Planning teams around what the dream team has is futile. There are 11 other teams that are not the dream team and you have infinitely more chance of beating them than you do the Americans.

Speaking of Americans, I'd take Lisch. He is kind of the best of a bad situation when it comes to third string combo guards in the Australian context. We could otherwise choose the magician (in that he disappears for long spells on court) Adam Gibson, or you can pick Damien Martin who is an excellent defender and hustle guy, but wont be putting much pressure on the offensive end at this level.

You could do much worse than have Lisch as 11th or 12th man on the bench, or possibly higher.

As for the training fodder, having Mitch Creek and Walker on the team is a bit of a laugh, but they aren't in the mix for a spot in the 12 and no one with two brain cells should believe they are. They will be used so that the Boomers can get used to the level of athleticism they will face at the Olympics.

My team:

Delly
Mills
Ingles
Baynes
Bogut
Lisch
Broekhoff
Simmons
Motum
Anderson
Bairstow
Goulding

Pretty stacked.

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Dazz  
Years ago

If Ogilvy hasn't ruled himself out, then you have to wonder what is going on behind the scenes for him to miss a squad of 26.

I'm not going to pretend any great expertise on those guys playing in the NBA or Europe. I'll leave that to those who follow that, except to say that I presume they are on average better quality than what we see at home.
I imagine Olympic Basketball is a big step up, and therefore requires different attributes, But AJ has been one of the best big men in the league, both when he played for the Kings and this season at the Hawks.
I really can't comprehend why you would pick Brandt or even Nate ahead of him?

I suppose that Jawai, in a squad of 26, is a reasonable gamble. If he can somehow get healthy, he could add X-factor to that final 16.
But Brandt?

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Dazz  
Years ago

Now, assuming that 10~12 "international" guys pick themselves, so we're looking at 5 or 6 NBL guys to provide depth (for the squad of 16 at least.)

My impression, which may be misguided, is that said depth is needed most in the back court?

So, from the 26 announced, my NBL guys would be:
Martin
Lisch
Creek
Goulding
Steindl
Kickert

And yes, I wouldn't expect most of those (apart from Lisch) to make the final 12.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Creek? What the?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is probably bogut (32) and andersons (35) last major tournament.
Baynes (29) will take the starting roll and ogilvy (28) will be his backup.
We have almost no 'boomers ready' quality centre after that...
6'10 Brandt (26) is next inline maybe, and then a big gap until young 7'0 humphries (18), 6'11 landale (21) and 7'1 perry (19) if they develop well.
6'11 (18) d.Gak and 6'11 (19) g.gak potentially if they gain some size. (More than likely future pfs along with the maker brothers)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Froling also..

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Duncan  
Years ago

Mitchell 'Better than Abercrombie' Creek haha

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Dazz  
Years ago

As I said, most of the guys I mentioned are just going to be training fodder before being cut from the final 12.
And "My impression, which may be misguided, is that said depth is needed most in the back court?"
Lisch and I suppose Goulding are almost automatic, and have a chance of making the final cut.
Besides that, even if looking for fodder, there's not a lot of Aussie talent in the NBL back courts.
Creek, for the minutes he plays, does a good job. Good enough to be training fodder.

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Dazz  
Years ago

No, I would certainly have Abercrombie in before Creek...

Unfortunately he was born in New Zealand...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thanks for clarifying that Dazz

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Dazz  
Years ago

I also meant to add, and will do so now for the sake of completeness, that whether Creek (or similar) makes the 16 as fodder is largely irrelevant, and my views on the matter must be as interesting as mud.
I'll shut up now.

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Hoopie  
Years ago

A realistic strategy is to aim to medal. Only the wildest optimist could even think about gold.

So, we need to pick a team which will get to the semis and possibly the final, not a team to compete with the USA. In other words, a team which can win against Euro teams and the other American power-houses.

That suggests to me that we should use a core of 9 players and use the last 3 spots to cover exception cases. In other words, for those 3 spots I'd take a defensive specialist (Martin), or a speedster, or someone huge to match other monsters and intimidate (Maric or Jawai if fit), or a pure shooter (Lisch else Goulding / Steindl).

They may not get much court time, but at least we'll be covered if we meet some situation the regulars can't handle or if we need to do something drastically different to get the win.

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skull  
Years ago

Or maybe a 6ft10 pure shooter in Kickert?

Dont like how soft the guy is but you dont need him on the boards,international size and can flat out shoot the ball.

Realistically,he would need to make the team as a stretch 3 in the Simmons spot if he's unavailable....dont like his chances.

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Aussiebballer  
Years ago

Any reason Brandt is in the squad instead of DJ?

When I have seen Brandt play he just seems like a backup player in the NBL!!!!

Johnson is pretty similar to Kickert I guess but could have had both in the camp at least.

I would even have Petrie or Knight in here instead of Brandt.

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Jez  
Years ago

Only just now getting a chance to look at this squad. Some interesting inclusions ...

Given that a lot of this squad is just training fodder, would it not have been better to give some of those spots to younger college guys? Or did scheduling/availability problems mean Lemanis could only pick locally-based players for the extra spots?

One of the biggest surprises is Walker. I understand that he was in the Boomers system last time and performed well. But I figured he'd at least have to show something this NBL season to stake his claim for a spot. He ended up being really disappointing and regressing from previous seasons. His inclusion sort of sends a message that there isn't a lot of accountability for players who already have their foot in the door ...

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Aussie  
Years ago

I highly doubt Simmons and Exum will be available.

So my 12 for Rio would be:

Delly
Mills
Bogut
Baynes
Ingles

Lisch
Broekhoff
Andersen
Bairstow
Newley

Motum
Goulding

+ Martin, Jawai, Blanchfield, Kickert (to make up the 16 for the July training camp)

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Hoopie  
Years ago

No offence to Cam Bairstow but I don't understand why everyone keeps including him. He's an 'end of the bench' NBA player with a great work ethic and solid body but limited skill-set which will end taken advantage of in the Games.

His spot should go to either a specialist shooter or to blood someone younger who's certain to figure in the future such as a Humphries, Drmic, Jois.

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Aussie  
Years ago

Drmic has been very inconsistent for Boise State.

I doubt he is a future Boomer

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Anonymous  
Years ago

My 'best case' team:

Mills
Dellavedova
Exum
Goulding

Broekhoff
Ingles
Newley
Simmons

Motum
Andersen
Baynes
Bogut

In the (likely) event Exum and Simmons are unavailable, I'd replace them with Lisch and either Bairstow or Jawai.

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AKA  
Years ago

I don't get the Barstow hype either. Wouldn't make my final squad.
There is a story with AJ. Essentially he has been blacklisted from the Boomers as long as Lemanis is at the helm.
FWIW, my 12 man team:
PG: Delly/Mills/Exum
SG: Broekhoff/Lisch
SF: Ingles/Newley
PF: Motum/Anderson/Kickert
C: Bogut/Baynes

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Delly/Mills
Lisch/Newley/Goulding
Broekhoff/Ingles
Anderson/Motum/bairstow
Bogut/Baynes

No exum, no Simmons...

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