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paul
Last year

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Rio Olympics Men's Draw

The draw for Rio gets done tonight, and some good news is the Boomers are being drawn out of the same pot as host nation Brazil, meaning we will end up in different groups.

China and Nigeria are in the same pot, so we will get one of them, while Argentina and Venezuela are together in another pot. Though Venezuela are a tough opponent, I think we'd prefer them over the Argies greats on their last go-around.

The USA and Spain are sharing a pot so we can only draw one of them, so that's good news too.

http://www.fiba.com/olympics/2016/news/procedures-for-rio-2016-olympic-basketball-tournaments-draw-ceremony

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ME
Last year
11:11 11 Mar 16

Reply #582616

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

As important as our draw is our schedule. We really, really don't want to lose our first game again and set ourselves on a path to fourth in the group. I would like to start the tournament against China, get the USA in the third game to avoid them in the cross-over, and be pitted against possibly Lithuania, Venezuela and the 3rd place qualifier.

We have proven that we can beat Lithuania. We have done it with a team that will be less talented and versatile than the one we have now with the inclusion of Bogut and Mills. I am not scared of Venezeula or Argentina although either could beat us on their day. I am not sure who is in the qualifying race but any that get through to be top three will be a concern. I am massively keen for this draw. What time will we know the results?


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paul
Last year
11:25 11 Mar 16

Reply #582618

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I think the draw happens at 1.30am AEDT, so we'll wake up to news tomorrow.

Agree that it would be great to get an inexperienced opponent first up, wouldn't want to have to face Spain or Argentina who have been there and done that so many times before. Having said that, our core has been together a long time now, they should be pretty ready for day one.


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ME
Last year
11:30 11 Mar 16

Reply #582619

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Should being the operative word. We wont have much preparation this year for the Olympics. I think we have 5 or 6 warm-up games, at most. This Olympics is our prime right now. We need to get it together across the next 3 tournaments or we are going to lose this generation of Boomers without a medal.


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MACDUB
Last year
11:54 11 Mar 16

Reply #582623

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Also have to keep an eye on the qualifiers and who the Boomers draw out of those.

Could get drawn with Sebia (who should win the Serbian tournament comfortably you would think).

Obviously, teams like Turkey or France and Greece could also come out.


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ME
Last year
14:15 11 Mar 16

Reply #582633

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I'd love New Zealand to get through. It might make life easier on us lol


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Cram
Last year
14:19 11 Mar 16

Reply #582634

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Really keen to see how this goes so I can start to figures out which games I have tickets to!


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ME
Last year
14:26 11 Mar 16

Reply #582636

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Just had a look at the qualifiers to come through, there are some powerful nations in there. The most notable are Greece, France, Serbia, Canada, Turkey and Croatia with possible darkhorses coming from Puerto Rico, New Zealand, Angola and Italy.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:12 11 Mar 16

Reply #582645

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I don't think any game will be easy bar maybe Asian and African teams.
Will be awesome to watch.

The womens will be interesting also... Other teams have gotten significantly better than last time round.


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NBL Fan
Last year
01:19 12 Mar 16

Reply #582677

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Australia mens team drawn in same group as USA.


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Luuuc
Last year
01:25 12 Mar 16

Reply #582678

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Group A
Qualifier 1
USA
Venezuela
Qualifier 2
China
Australia

Group B
Argentina
Spain
Brazil
Lithuania
Qualifier 3
Nigeria


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Anonymous
Last year
01:51 12 Mar 16

Reply #582680

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

The best Draw possible for the boomers China and Venezuela should be wins group A is easier than B.


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Cram
Last year
03:57 12 Mar 16

Reply #582681

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Yeah that was really as good as it could have gone. Venezuela will not be easy beats as they certainly surprised other teams last summer, but they're still the preferred opponent given the options. Getting the USA in our group ensures we won't get them in the quarter finals as well as giving us a free crack at them in the group stage.

I hope the tickets I have is for that game.


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LC
Last year
09:25 12 Mar 16

Reply #582685

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Just remember that Canada, France, Serbia, Greece and Italy are in the OQT and could be pooled with the Boomers as well.

Avoiding hosts Brazil, Argentina, Spain and Lithuania was a great outcome but crossovers will be tough. No easy game.


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MACDUB
Last year
10:03 12 Mar 16

Reply #582688

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

So you guys will be cheering us Kiwis on the OQT! Love it.

France will be tough. Canada will also be tough if their big guns play. Turkey are on the decline i always though from 2010? Senegal and Phillipines are beatable but will play a unique style which will be hard. Also Tab knows how the TBs play.


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ME
Last year
10:54 12 Mar 16

Reply #582690

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

The perfect group for Australia would have been China, USA, Venezeula, Lithuania and Qualifier 3. We are only 2 spots away from that but with the likeliness of being paired with a France or Greece. Lithuania would have been tough either way, but atleast we've beaten them recently. As strong as the Australian team will be this year, there are few games anyone in this competition would consider a gimme outside of maybe China.

Australia could expect to beat China, Venezeula, and there are 3 tough games we need to win atleast 1 of to avoid Spain as our likely crossover and pull either Lithuania or Argentina (I'd hope for an Argentina cross over)


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Baller#3
Last year
11:09 12 Mar 16

Reply #582691

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

You'd assume to beat Venezuela and China, and say go 1 and 1 against the 2 qualifiers. That puts us at 3 and 2, 3rd.

I have Nigeria and Argentina to drop out of group B. So we would probably barring upsets be matched up against Spain or Brazil in the QF. Both hard but winnable games IMO.

Could easily be going for a bronze medal this year.


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ME
Last year
12:25 12 Mar 16

Reply #582695

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

A lot rides on who the qualifiers are and what squads they bring. For instance, France is not the same team without Tony Parker. How many teams are going to really "bring it" for the qualifiers, and who has lost the faith and will just lurch through? We could be surprised and find ourselves with the Czech republic or something in our group. Where can we find info on what squads are playing for whom at the qualifiers?

Also, a lot rides on Boguts ability to stay uninjured. I hope the Warriors use bogut sparingly through the play offs lol.


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Cram
Last year
15:07 12 Mar 16

Reply #582704

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

So our first two games are against the qualifiers. Then the USA, then the two games we should win. We could conceivably start 0-3 and then go through. Might make the whole thing tough though


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ME
Last year
15:15 12 Mar 16

Reply #582705

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

It's going to be a tough tournament for everyone involved. There are already so many teams in there that have realistic medal goals, and another three will be added in July.

I mean, Lithuania, USA, Brazil, Argentina and Australia are all in the conversation for a medal already, and who will be added? France? Greece? Croatia? Canada?

Anyone can beat anyone at this level and that's what makes it so daunting and exciting at the same time.

I expect Australia to progress in this pool, however we have to knock atleast 1 of the qualifiers out to give ourselves a good shot. I just hope that luck gives us some qualifiers we match up well with


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ME
Last year
15:59 12 Mar 16

Reply #582708

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

If Australia can play the way we did against Lithuania in 2014, we have a great shot at a medal. IF we play the way we played the rest of the games, not so much. It all depends which Australia turns up.


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Luuuc
Last year
16:15 12 Mar 16

Reply #582709

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Relieved not to see Angola in our group. We really seem to struggle against those guys.


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ME
Last year
16:26 12 Mar 16

Reply #582712

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Angola isn't involved anyway. Nigeria is. They would have similar attributes in their athletic abilities I dare say. I am ridiculously keen for this.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:59 12 Mar 16

Reply #582714

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I think Luuuc was referring to Australia's tank job against Angola at the last World Cup :)


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ROFLcopter
Last year
17:15 12 Mar 16

Reply #582716

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I'm expecting a medal.


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rjd
Last year
18:14 12 Mar 16

Reply #582719

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I am afraid of the first games against qualifiers. They will have the momentum of a tournament together -- with successful results -- whereas the Boomers will have their usual experimental handful of lead-up games.


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Luuuc
Last year
19:18 12 Mar 16

Reply #582724

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Yeah, agreed. With so little between the teams talent-wise I feel like coaching and preparation are going to play a huge role, and I'm not sure we'll have the advantage in those areas over too many other teams.


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paul
Last year
21:06 12 Mar 16

Reply #582740

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Qualifiers are a combine 16-20 at the Olympics so there isn't really a history of them carrying great momentum into the tournament. They'll be good teams, but it's the same old story, if Australia want to make noise we have to beat some good teams.

The group we're in is almost a perfect, the order of games not so much, but we're. Certainly in a good spot if we're good enough to make the most of it.


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ME
Last year
23:08 12 Mar 16

Reply #582753

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

A combined 16-20 of what?


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Anonymous
Last year
01:23 13 Mar 16

Reply #582769

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

What the Hell?
Am I missing something?
Those qualifying tounaments will probably deliver Serbia and France - so thats Gold SIlver and Bronze form the world cup in one pool?
Were screwed - if were lucky well finish fourth - and face the top team from the other pool - and drop out in the quarters yet again.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:27 13 Mar 16

Reply #582770

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

We are ranked #11 in the world so making the quarter finals is still a win.
I don't know why people have their hopes so high just because we have some players in the NBA. So does everyone else.


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ME
Last year
03:09 13 Mar 16

Reply #582773

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

World rankings mean little. We are about to turn up with our entire team healthy (with any luck), that hasn't happened before.

By the way, not many teams right now have seven NBA players, an upcoming number 1 draft pick, with four of those NBA players having NBA finals experience very recently.

And furthermore, not many teams have the kind of experience our team has and the youth that is also on their side. The Boomers are ripe.

So when you're saying "We are 11th in the world, so top 8 is still a win", I think you are being ignorant to the make up of the team we have now and the conditions that have come together. We haven't had Bogut in a major tournament since 2008, and we didn't have Patty at the 2014 worlds.

We wont be cut down at the quarters by America as has happened in the past two Olympic games.

So, excuse us all for a little optimism?

Lets all throw our hands up and declare the Olympics over for us before they even began because "other teams have NBA players" and "We're only ranked 11th, top 8 is still a win."

What Un-Australian, defeatest nonsense!

Where do you think Serbia was ranked before they came Silver in 2014, you muppet?

Serbia came out of nowhere and literally no one had them in the medal equation. They were meant to be a challenging European team, and that was it.

Fact of the matter is there are probably 8 teams with genuine medal hopes this year: USA, Spain, Lithuania, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, and probably some of the qualifiers. No one said Australia is 'guaranteed' a medal. But are we in the mix? Yes. Do we have comparable levels of talent? Yes. Should we all just lay down and die because, "Oh no! we're ranked 11th?!?" No!

So shut the fuck up basically, anonymous. You're talking loser talk and no one here wants to hear your despair.



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Cram
Last year
06:49 13 Mar 16

Reply #582776

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Yep, the Olympics are always a better chance for the unpredictable. The fact that you can lose three games and still be in with a chance means anything can happen.

Even if pool results don't go your way, you're just one great performance from being in the medal round.

Obviously the ideal is to have our team playing well together and try to finish top 2 giving us a better crossover and then relying on that "one great game" to get us into the final.

But either way, this is a tournament we can rightly be optimistic about.


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ME
Last year
10:53 13 Mar 16

Reply #582783

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

"But oh no Cram, we are ranked 11th!" LOL

Idiots like that are priceless!

It's as if medals are decided by comparing world rankings.

"Team chemistry and such mean nothing, people! Other teams have NBA players! Nothing to see here, move a long!"

My god, anonymous is a moron and a half.


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Thunder Jam
Last year
11:44 13 Mar 16

Reply #582786

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Whoa, Someone's off their meds?


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Luuuc
Last year
12:33 13 Mar 16

Reply #582793

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

ME is fired up about the Boomers. Gotta love the passion.


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ME
Last year
13:07 13 Mar 16

Reply #582800

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

What can I say? Mess with the teams I follow and I 'go in'.


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KET
Last year
13:31 13 Mar 16

Reply #582807

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Australia is Lithuania's bogey team, we've beaten them on a few big occasions, I remember in 2008 Olympics the Aussies won


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ME
Last year
13:40 13 Mar 16

Reply #582809

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Well, we are eachothers bogey teams historically. It is probably Australias greatest international rival. We've had the wood on them in recent years, though. We really surprised them in 2014, too.


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paul
Last year
16:47 13 Mar 16

Reply #582825

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

We are 3-5 all-time against Lithuania at WCs and Olympics, with one of our wins in a game with no bearing on placings (which was our only win over them at an Olympics).

ME, teams that come through the qualifiers have won 16 games and lost 20 at those Olympics, hence 16-20.


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ME
Last year
17:10 13 Mar 16

Reply #582830

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

How often have those teams been powerhouses? Looking at the qualifiers it looks like France, Serbia, Greece are the most likely to get through by far. I also wonder why there is a trend for teams to come in at under 50 percent from qualifiers. You'd think they'd be primed for competition by then.


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Zodiac
Last year
17:54 13 Mar 16

Reply #582837

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

"Australia is Lithuania's bogey team, we've beaten them on a few big occasions, I remember in 2008 Olympics the Aussies won"

They beat us when it matters. Bronze Medal Games at the 1996 & 2000 Olympic Games. Lithuania have stood between us and a medal twice and both times pulled out pants down.


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ME
Last year
20:23 13 Mar 16

Reply #582845

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I watched the 2000 Bronze medal game a week or two ago. It is a sad, sad sight. We just didn't have the speed and energy they had. Might have helped if Barry Barnes knew the meaning of a time out or substitution. Could have helped if Luc Longley wasn't injured, too.


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paul
Last year
00:22 14 Mar 16

Reply #582853

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

ME, I think it's a tough ask to peak twice in quick succession mentally and physically at the level required for the Olympics. It's certainly doable, Russia took bronze last time, but it's not an advantage coming through qualifiers.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:49 14 Mar 16

Reply #582854

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Nothing like tough and meaningful games together as a team to build chemistry. Certainly can't hurt.
And 16-20 is far from shabby. On average that's enough to progress to the quarters, so every qualifier that does that equates to another team that doesn't make it out of the group stage.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:52 14 Mar 16

Reply #582855

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

How is making the "top 8" of a 12 team tournament a win?
My understanding is that we need to win 2 out of 5 games, although 1 plus percentage could do it?
Finishing 8th is pretty much the definition of "why bother?"


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Anonymous
Last year
02:47 14 Mar 16

Reply #582863

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Pretty sure we will finish 2, 3 or 4 in our group.
Switching over and playing 3, 2 or 1 which means we will most likely play Brazil, Lithuania, Spain or one of the other quality euro teams.
It's gonna be tough for sure...


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paul
Last year
08:32 14 Mar 16

Reply #582865

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

The tough games together can hurt Luuuc, because the athletes have to peak for the tournament, which will affect their later peak.

Athletes in any sport want to peak meticulously for the Olympics, and it's very important in basketball after the tough club season most players have gone through.


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Bear
Last year
09:02 14 Mar 16

Reply #582867

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I am as patriotic and passionate about the Boomers (any Aussie international team really) as the next guy.

What I can't fathom is all the concern over who we play and whether we can get a decent draw and who we should avoid etc...

The draw is out of our hands, who we play is out of our hands, or at least should be decided by the draw or results according to which team wins or loses, so we need to go into these tournaments with one mind set, that is a positive one.

We need to avoid only one thing, that is to behave like Meerkats, worrying about the next Eagle that is going to swoop on us and start walking tall among the winners of the world and worry less about who we play by working on how we play.

Our attitude will decide how we go in these events, not the draw IMHO!


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ME
Last year
10:51 14 Mar 16

Reply #582881

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Well we can't complain about the Boomers belief, they're talking about gold medals.

While I don't think gold is a reasonable likelihood, it is better than when Goorjian used to say "We just hope to get to the knockout stage, I mean we have to face some tough competition with Mongolia, India and Antarctica."

The draw matters. Almost every team in the competition will have a keen eye on the draw and what it means for their prospects. Certainly any team is more likely to get a W in their column if they're up against China than if it were Nigeria, and more likely to beat Venezeula than Argentina, or Spain rather than the USA. We got almost the best draw possible for us.

Even with the talent and potential we have, we are underdogs trying to mess with the established order. That comes with challenges of its own.


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paul
Last year
11:30 14 Mar 16

Reply #582888

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

In summary, it's going to be tough, every opponent will present a challenge, but we have a talented team that have been together a while now who are rightfully confident they can challenge for a medal.


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ME
Last year
11:35 14 Mar 16

Reply #582889

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Damn straight, Paul. I just want the olympics to hurry up from here on!


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Luuuc
Last year
12:09 14 Mar 16

Reply #582894

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

"Athletes in any sport want to peak meticulously for the Olympics, and it's very important in basketball after the tough club season most players have gone through."

To a degree, but I really don't buy this as a big factor in basketball. These players are used to playing long seasons, not tailoring several month long blocks for training, conditioning and peaking at a particular week like a swimmer would.

And the results speak for themselves. 16-20 (= 0.444) for the last few teams allowed into the tournament is no joke. It's pretty close to the Boomers record across the last 4 Olympics (0.461) so let's not pretend for a second that we can take those teams remotely lightly.


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ME
Last year
12:54 14 Mar 16

Reply #582900

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

France, Serbia and Greece, the likely qualifiers, will be a handful either way.

Here's an interesting article that kind of encapsulates this conversation.

http://www.aussiehoopla.com/olympic-draw-mean-boomers/


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paul
Last year
13:24 14 Mar 16

Reply #582902

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Not saying you can Luuuc, as I'm sure you know, just pointing out that going through the qualifiers isn't an advantage.

As for peaking athletes, it's huge in the Olympic basketball tournament because the athletes have to produce eight times in two weeks.

This tournament is played at a much higher intensity than any drawn out club season, and teams whose players can be well rested after club season and then managed carefully to peak once have an advantage over those who come out of season into preparations for the OQT and then have to peak again on a shortened preparation for the Olympics.


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paul
Last year
13:43 14 Mar 16

Reply #582905

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I think it's also important not to write off China and Venezuela, we should beat them both and they should be the easiest two games (barring a big surprise from the qualifiers) but they are both capable of an upset so they are unlikely to be a walk in the park.


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ME
Last year
14:02 14 Mar 16

Reply #582910

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

Luckily for Australia we have the youth, experience and depth that we should be able to keep pretty fresh throughout. While China and Venezeula wont be walks in the park, you'd hope we can run our bench for most of those games.


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paul
Last year
14:07 14 Mar 16

Reply #582912

re: Rio Olympics Men's Draw

I doubt that, don't forget Venezuela won the Americas Championship. China are big, deep and aggressive but hopefully their inexperience will count against them.


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