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Anonymous
Last year

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Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Boti reporting Crocs gone again



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Anonymous
Last year
15:09 14 Apr 16

Reply #584978

re: Townsville in Administration (Reported)



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Baller#3
Last year
15:25 14 Apr 16

Reply #584981

re: Townsville in Administration (Reported)

And they need to stay out. They are done, no more rescuing, leave it be.


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Isaac
Last year
15:47 14 Apr 16

Reply #584982

re: Townsville Crocs in administration

Sad, but I agree with Baller. Consolidate. Poor Shawn Dennis and those boys poured everything into last season. City didn't do enough to support them.

Also, everyone go after Nick Kay.


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The Wombat
Last year
15:51 14 Apr 16

Reply #584983

re: Townsville Crocs in administration

Sad to see them go.

I hope this doesn't put the Foxtel deal in jeopardy


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Anonymous
Last year
16:00 14 Apr 16

Reply #584985

re: Townsville Crocs in administration

Confirmation from NBL



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Anonymous
Last year
16:12 14 Apr 16

Reply #584988

re: Townsville Crocs in administration

So much for all the specualtion about how many games will be played next season. This is the beginning of the death of the NBL unfortuantely.


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Mr bEn
Last year
16:16 14 Apr 16

Reply #584991

re: Townsville Crocs in administration

Would happily see any of Kay, Steindl and Young in Brisbane.

I'd imagine the first two will be pursued heavily. Be surprised if Djeric, Henry, Maynard or the big marshmallow pick up a game elsewhere.


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RMQ
Last year
16:29 14 Apr 16

Reply #584993

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

To their credit they timed the announcement very well. It's getting buried beneath all the Warriors/Kobe news.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:35 14 Apr 16

Reply #584995

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

WTF were they thinking in signing SD to a new contract! No wonder they are down the gurgler. Incompetance at it's finest. What's the bet the liquidators will find $100,000's owed yet again.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:37 14 Apr 16

Reply #584996

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Time for second NZ team or maybe Tasmania or both, nice even ten teams.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:48 14 Apr 16

Reply #584999

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Tassie wont be in next season. There may well be a couple of NBL games played in Tassie tho


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Benno
Last year
16:52 14 Apr 16

Reply #585000

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Was always going to happen. The fans didnt turn up. Watching there games on tv was embarrassing empty stadiums. This isnt on the NBL


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Anonymous
Last year
16:58 14 Apr 16

Reply #585001

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

With the Millions of dollars being spnt by the NBL on a Brisbane side this is a joke.
Keep them going for a few more seasons, expand the League and then hopefully they will be able to let them stand alone.
If the NBL think someone will buy the NBL Brisbane fanchise they are deluded.


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Benno
Last year
17:00 14 Apr 16

Reply #585003

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Why wouldnt you buy the Brisbane franchise? Good city with a good population. The team is already looking quite good as well.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:09 14 Apr 16

Reply #585004

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Why do you think the NBL is funding it?


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Indominous-Rex
Last year
17:11 14 Apr 16

Reply #585005

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

To the anon saying this is the death of the NBL you are wrong. This isn't the death of the NBL this is the start of the resurgence of the NBL. Townsville were a loose thread and were going to collapse sooner or later any way.

My only problem with this is that it puts players and coaching staffs jobs in jeopardy.


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Thunder Jam
Last year
17:12 14 Apr 16

Reply #585006

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Because Benno Bris people won't support them. They have been extinct previously you know.


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Benno
Last year
17:21 14 Apr 16

Reply #585008

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

How do you know that? Are you a fortune teller? Times have changed mate. The NBL is on the up. As hard as it to say losing the Townsville crocs is the best thing for the NBL. Kinda like that ex girlfriend that is just weighing you down...


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Anonymous
Last year
17:31 14 Apr 16

Reply #585009

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

The NBL tried for years to find a backer in Brisbane. They couldnt. They that for TV to work they need a Brisbane team. I think that's a flawed argument. Never the less the NBL and LKG have decided to proceed down that very expensive path. To the detriment of the Crocs.
The LKG has 2 more season of commitment to run the NBL after that who knows. Maybe they should let us know what their thoughts are soon, otherwise they are just wasting shit loads of money for no real return.


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Benno
Last year
17:33 14 Apr 16

Reply #585010

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

LK wouldnt be worth Hunderds of Millions of dollars if he wasnt a good businessman. I have faith in him and Jeremy.


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Matthew
Last year
17:37 14 Apr 16

Reply #585011

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Why are we suddenly getting some anonymous Crocs supporters turn up to vent how the league wasnt fair to them and how they are focusing in a future failure in Brisbane. If only you spent as much fervor actually going to Crocs games


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Luuuc
Last year
17:40 14 Apr 16

Reply #585013

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

"I hope this doesn't put the Foxtel deal in jeopardy "

On the contrary, Foxtel are probably pleased with the news given the cost of them broadcasting from Townsville compared to the relatively few viewers there.

R.I.P Crocs.

It's interesting how poorly the city supported their NBL team while at the same time being tremendous in their support of their WNBL team in recent years.


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AngusH
Last year
17:50 14 Apr 16

Reply #585016

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

As much as I hate to see the Crocs gone, how many times can they be propped up again just to struggle their way through another season without anyone in the stands? I think the minimum salary expenditure rule (900k?) was their death knell, as I can't imagine they were near that mark last season.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:51 14 Apr 16

Reply #585017

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Tough news but this actually a good decision from the NBL's point of view. If you told me a few years back, would I accept a deal of Brisbane back, TSV out and the games being alot easier accessible.... id say hell yes. Thats whats happened. And with 12 less spots, now the players wont be able to dictate the $$ as much as they could easily fins themselves out of a gig. The league will floruish as the spots available just got less, meaning less bench warmers. Having said that, could see some decent guys get comparable money OS. Sad news from a nostagliac point of view though, till the very end that Crocs team tried hard. Their fan base let them down imo.


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Isaac
Last year
17:54 14 Apr 16

Reply #585019

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

From the same anon who thinks this means the end of the league...

WTF were they thinking in signing SD to a new contract! No wonder they are down the gurgler. Incompetance at it's finest. What's the bet the liquidators will find $100,000's owed yet again.
You do realise that they don't actually keep paying his future contracted salary so it's impossible for this to have been what killed them. And it's far from incompetent to lock in a coach so you can establish a roster before your best are poached and you're trying to win over fans with a weaker line-up.

I think this was inevitable and will strengthen the league. Some jobs lost, but less spent holding up the Crocs, and their better players will improve other teams.


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AngusH
Last year
17:55 14 Apr 16

Reply #585021

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Steindl, Kay, and Dennis.


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koberulz
Last year
18:15 14 Apr 16

Reply #585022

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

They sent out a completely normal-sounding off-season update email, complete with a link to buy season tickets, mere hours before announcing they'd folded.

Bizarre.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:41 14 Apr 16

Reply #585023

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Koberulz they were probably completely unaware as a club up until the last minute themselves. Feel for the individuals for the Crocs who are now unemployed. Real sad stuff from a purely human point of view. Guess LK just said i dont want to spend my money in this area anymore. Cant argue with that, big city teams is what he will be looking to enter.


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Victorian Wildcat
Last year
18:47 14 Apr 16

Reply #585024

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

No one can blame the current owners, why would you keep throwing money at a dead duck. The town didn't support them , and sure as hell if i was in their position i'd do the same, as most would on here.

Sad for the players and coaches, pretty sure most will get a gig somewhere.


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Hoopie
Last year
18:53 14 Apr 16

Reply #585026

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If putting bums on seats depends so heavily on winning (compare TSV women attendance with that for TSV men), then Brisbane had better win lots of games.

Last thing we want is both Sydney AND Brisbane near the bottom, as that would pretty well be the beginning of the end for the NBL.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:11 14 Apr 16

Reply #585027

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

The point I was trying to make Isaac is that signing Dennis to a contract for 2 seasons is total mis managment. Nothing more.
They would know exactly what financial shape they were in and if they didn't mis management yet again.
Dennis has every right to pursue them for a breach of contract and so he should. The owners will have money. Equally I will bet London to a brick that they were trading whilst insolvent (again).
Once LKG walks all over.


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koberulz
Last year
19:24 14 Apr 16

Reply #585028

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If you're going to just make shit up, why not be more creative?

I heard the club was actually being run by the owner's pet dog.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:31 14 Apr 16

Reply #585029

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

"No one can blame the current owners, why would you keep throwing money at a dead duck."
So why offer SD a 2 year contract not that long ago?


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King Podge
Last year
19:43 14 Apr 16

Reply #585030

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

close Koberulz, they were being run by Australia's largest collector of NBL merchandise Clint C-Dogg Gardiner......


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Benno
Last year
19:47 14 Apr 16

Reply #585031

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

NBL fans at least we dont have to see Shawn Dennis in that terrible shirt anymore!


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Bear
Last year
19:51 14 Apr 16

Reply #585032

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Unsurprisingly disappointing..


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Hadouken
Last year
20:21 14 Apr 16

Reply #585037

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Wonder if Holmes and the players union had this in mind when the 3 import rule was cleared.


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Isaac
Last year
20:53 14 Apr 16

Reply #585041

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Anon, that's not mismanagement. That's hoping for the best.

Boti had a nice piece balancing the realistic with the appreciative. Worth a read. Had these bits near the end:

With Brisbane represented again, there is a growing belief the League's patience with the financial issues faced by regional teams is at or very near an end.

Capital city teams steadily will be the focus, with teams from Asia also expected to participate in the home-away competition, as early as 2017-18.
Full article.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:07 14 Apr 16

Reply #585043

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Horrible.

This is the reality of the LK controlled NBL. You're rich or you die


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King Podge
Last year
21:13 14 Apr 16

Reply #585044

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

there is a stark difference between being viable and being rich.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:41 14 Apr 16

Reply #585047

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Guys this all sucks for alot of reasons, but its the right call. No one was going to the games, the Rob Rose John Rillie days are dead and burried. Its not a social comp, business wise its makes sense to get rid of the dead wood. Its harsh but this is for the betterment of the NBL and its overall sustainability. If a new set of owners come along and have large sustainable pockets then maybe later on they can re look at the region, but for now the right call has been made imo.


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Cram
Last year
21:50 14 Apr 16

Reply #585048

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If the league bosses decided to run a sustainable model league rather than an arms race teams like Townsville could survive.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:07 14 Apr 16

Reply #585050

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

The League bosses, there in lies the problem. Everyone used to criticise BA. Inept undoubtedly, but time will tell with Kestleman.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:15 14 Apr 16

Reply #585054

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

The games are now easily available to watch and the product is solid and only getting better. The Crocs were a bad fit for a new vision. Just go back and look over their crowd attendances, take the emotion out of it, and this is the right decision not necessarily a popular one, but business isnt always about being popular.


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ME
Last year
00:24 15 Apr 16

Reply #585065

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

I wont cry myself to sleep about this. This is just a necessary loss for the league if it wants to prosper. Deadwood has to be cut, and Townsville has been dead for years now.

I think the regional teams are going to fall apart, one-by-one, leaving a league that only populates main cities, is owned by businessmen, and pushes aggressively into Asia.

That is actually the best result for the prosperity of the league.

So while a few articles might have the headline "NBL is a basket case" (because they're so original), I will know that it is a promising sign if anything.

If Illawarra and Cairns also have to fall to bring in a second Melbourne or New Zealand team, then so be it.


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Cram
Last year
00:35 15 Apr 16

Reply #585068

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

This current model may work while wealthy benefactors underwrite the league, but it will never be sustainable. The NBL will never be a sustainable, self supporting big spending league. It may look as though it is in the short term, but as soon as the rich guys pull the plug it will fail.

I'd take a lower spending league with 12+ teams all over Australia over a big spending league in a few Australian cities any day. If we have to lose the top 20% of Australian talent to do that then so be it.

We cannot compete with the NBA and top euro teams for talent and attempting to will only hurt basketball in Australia and further take away the history we have built.


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Mystro
Last year
04:21 15 Apr 16

Reply #585071

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If Townsville actually had local support they would still be around but no one turned up.


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proud
Last year
05:52 15 Apr 16

Reply #585072

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Id love there to be a big petition where 20'000 people sign it wanting Townsville re-entered into the league in 2017/18 but I can't see that ever being the case.

A bit sad that Robert Rose was the only number retired in the history of the club.

I'd be personally still love a Tasmanian state team in the league as I think that could survive and even prosper in that market (spread out across all 3 major regions of the state) but doubt we'd get it.

Why would we want to lose Illawarra and Cairns just to add two other teams elsewhere... It's a huge shame that the license can't be bought by another and we can get a 9th team in the league.

Also a shame that with all this love of Asia that the investments aren't coming sooner and Our teams and the league can prosper.

As for being a league full of rich owners, Wildcats are owned by a bloke looking as crook as a Townsville home crowd and he won't be better so who knows what the landscape will be like when he passes, still no idea about Sydney and how much they will enjoy the market with so few people watching any sport. Brisbane is an unknown, Melbourne is still full of people hating on the whole United thing. Adelaide look like a regional team with how much they seem to skimp with the roster. And NZ coukd be anything with a potential new owner!


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MACDUB
Last year
08:19 15 Apr 16

Reply #585076

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

"Id love there to be a big petition where 20'000 people sign it wanting Townsville re-entered into the league in 2017/18 but I can't see that ever being the case."

What good does that bring though?

People may sign a petition, but that doesn't mean squat if they don't turn up to the games or if they don't sponsor/invest in the team.

But that's the issue you see - a number of the same people in Townsville who are complaining about the Crocs exiting the league are the ones who haven't been going to games in recent years. It's irrational.

As alluded above, the SOS and rescue packages are silly.


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kingpodge
Last year
08:32 15 Apr 16

Reply #585077

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

bums on seats and stickers on corp boxes is all that matters.

Benevolent benefactors isn't the answer either, the vast majority of teams that have gone under in the modern NBL have been privately owned.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:33 15 Apr 16

Reply #585078

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Look out Cairns, Adel and Illawarra next. I am sure exvy one will be equally as happy when they go.
People are talking here about one player possibly getting $300,000 or more, add in the next $400,000 to given to the bottom 5 players and there is $700,000. The remining $400,000 of the soft cap is to be spent on the remaining $400,000. That will get you not a lot. It's a recipe for disaster IMO.
Where is the extra money to come from? It won't be bums on seats. Even if it was a component, that's not sustainable. The end result is that clubs may if their lucky break even.
Common sense has gone out the door.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:57 15 Apr 16

Reply #585080

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Boti said "despite falling $690,000-$800,000 short of their 2015-16 financial projections."
Total mismanagement. An the NBL is culpable as well for allowing that to occur.


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Tornado
Last year
09:03 15 Apr 16

Reply #585082

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

I hate to say it but this model is going the exact same way the League was when the Singapore Slingers were in the league.

Expansion into Asia makes annual costs for all clubs more expensive and why would Asia even want to put a team in the NBL - why not just submit a team into the Chinese League which has better players, better exposure for their corporate sponsors and more money than we have here doesn't it?

The league is headed for another flop as we've seen this model before!


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Isaac
Last year
09:08 15 Apr 16

Reply #585086

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If the league bosses decided to run a sustainable model league rather than an arms race teams like Townsville could survive.
The Crocs struggled for a while before this. And with needing just $500k, still decided to throw it in. And when their team was playing out of their skins, still didn't get the support. And with salary equalisation methods on the horizon and probably previous injections from LK, still don't think it's viable.

Wollongong crowds are a bit of a worry, but Cairns seem alright.

I think Adelaide have room for improvement as an organisation, but huge potential and strong support. I talked to someone directly involved with the NBL a few weeks back and we both agreed that if you had to buy an NBL team, Adelaide would be the best bet due to the untapped potential. When you get the mix right, 7k+ show up. Can't say that for Wollongong.


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PeterJohn
Last year
09:17 15 Apr 16

Reply #585089

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

With 8 teams instead of 9, does this mean players in that middle and bottom tier become a little less valuable in the NBL market? e.g., do Nick Kay or Oscar Forman command a little less in the market than they would have if Townsville stayed in?If so, will that affect the value the NBL sets on those players for salary cap purposes?

It's starting to feel like your team getting to the start of the season is tougher than getting to the playoffs in the NBL these days!


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Speed44
Last year
09:18 15 Apr 16

Reply #585090

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Tornado said exactly what I was thinking


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Isaac
Last year
09:37 15 Apr 16

Reply #585094

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

PeterJohn, yes, this would quickly push the market back in favour of the clubs. I think those most impacted will be bench players from teams that weren't successful last season. So, guys like Djeric, Maynard, Young, Carter, Brandt, etc.

And the third import would make it even more difficult. Are you going to spend $60k for a guy in that tier, or gamble on a cheap import you can sack early without too much of a penalty?

In their favour though is the 11th man provision. Maybe the bigger teams use that on one of these guys instead of a rookie. I think for the cheaper teams, 11th man will be a minimum salary player though.


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Cram
Last year
10:13 15 Apr 16

Reply #585096

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

If the Crocs weren't made to reach a salary floor, only to be massively out spent, they might see a way forward, but in this current environment there isn't one for them. If the salary cap was slashed and strictly enforced teams like this may have a chance


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Matthew
Last year
10:34 15 Apr 16

Reply #585098

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Sorry, but you dont have a National Basketball team in a City with 200K of people. You dont. (I think Townsville have 200 k). We just have to realise that our competitions are always gonna have a smaller number of teams because our population cannot justify the scope of how we want out comps to be.

Frankly there shouldnt be any NBL team in a location of less than 1mil population.


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DJ Rod
Last year
11:25 15 Apr 16

Reply #585110

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

A sad day but unfortunately didn't come as a shock. Management should not have expected the NBL to prop up the club and should never have relied on that money. It's very unfortunate that promises were made to coaches and players including contracts being signed by players to return and new players to the league, some returning from Europe.

The Crocs brand has been dirt over the past 7yrs in the community and continually destroying relationships of fans, sponsors and volunteers. If you dont engage with the community, especially the basketball community, you wont get buy-in for support.

Given that and during a time where the Fire and Cowboys are so successful and the Townsville financial climate is dour, the Crocs were never going to survive.

My biggest disappointments is not winning a championship, losing the pathway to the top for our local juniors and the loss of real basketball friends who turned into family.

I especially feel bad for Shawn & Lani Dennis who had worked so hard to get to the point they were, they settled into the community buying a house etc and then were given a promise that they were going to be in the league but to have that all taken away. Players have a free agency period to hope they get another job but there is only 8 coaching jobs in Australian men's pro basketball that are all filled.

The Suns and Crocs will always be in my heart; I grew up with them as my family but it was not a shock to hear they were gone, nor am I overly sad to see them go... It has been very hard to see them operate as a shell of their former selves and not the model franchise they once were.

The NBL will never be back in Townsville. Cant wait to see how the next season unfolds.


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DJ Rod
Last year
11:28 15 Apr 16

Reply #585111

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Just read 'proud's' comment about only Rob Rose's number being retired...

#7 David Blades
#21 Rob Rose
#100% The Croc

have all been retired - Mark Bragg, David Carmichael, Kevin Sugars and Pat Reidy were all added to the Croc's Honour Roll.


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kingpodge
Last year
11:41 15 Apr 16

Reply #585112

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

by that logic no capital city team should have ever folded.... Townsville do a great job at supporting the NRL team and it takes alot more cash to run an NRL franchise.

Fact is you can't view this in a vacuum. T'villes demise doesn't nessecialriy have anything to do with the new NBL rules or the state of the NBL. Fact is their economy is in the doldrums at the moment due to the commodities crash and business investment isn't great. The serious corp money that is there is being swallowed up by the Cowboys and they aren't getting bums on seats. The bums on seats issues IMO is a mix of a collapse in grassroots bball support, mixed with disillusionment and the fact times are tough for the family budget, buying basketball tickets is a luxury that more and more cannot afford.

If you're LK and the NBL do you keep t'ville afloat in the face of limited corp and wider community support? Or do you move that cash to somewhere else where it can make a big picture difference for the game? e.g. beefing up the marketing, professionalising the refs etc.

Broad sweeping statements like: small markets don't work or benefactor leagues don't work, just don't add up when the rubber hits the road. Each market is different, each market and model has it's own challenges and advantages. The crocs demise isn't because of just one issue, or one decision that was made last week, it's something that's been happening slowly for a while. I don't see it as being indicative of some underlying weakness of the NBL as a whole, I see it as a damn shame and indicative of the economic reality of competing with powerhouse like the NRL in a town going thru some serious economic issues.

Larger codes have the luxury of being able to financially support teams that aren't doing great because of TV and other revenue sharing streams. If I'm the NBL and looking at a bigger picture, the priority now should be investing where they'll get the best bang for their $$, with the goal of being able to grow and support new/rebooted franchises in the future.


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Isaac
Last year
12:04 15 Apr 16

Reply #585114

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Great posts Rod and Podge.

Cram, is your comment about the salary floor ignoring the prospects of equalisation? Three imports too would've made life easier on-court for any small club.

I think as the above two said, the problems are bigger than that.

They got fans offside with a succession of moves (Homicide, Rillie, stadium, etc). The sporting landscape below the top tier is hard enough without doing things like that.

FWIW, I do believe Homicide and Rillie were the right moves, but the transition was poorly handled.


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Luuuc
Last year
12:11 15 Apr 16

Reply #585116

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Yep, well said, podge.
Townsville's population didn't stop their NBL team from being the league's model franchise for a few years.
But mismanagement is a tough thing to bounce back from in a cut-throat market, and a trashed reputation is an even tougher thing to repair.

The NBL is entering scary (to me) territory with the financial path it is now heading down, but even if nothing had changed it's clear that the Crocs would still have been in trouble, so I don't think there's a direct link between the two things in this case.


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Cram
Last year
12:12 15 Apr 16

Reply #585117

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Even with equalisation they're not going to be able to put a competitive team on the floor year after year when other teams are spending at will.

Again, these teams spending at will can only stay afloat while their backers stay interested. This league is littered with teams destroyed once a once keen backer opts out (or goes broke, or dies). All of the money invested does nothing to make the team ever become viable on its own


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Anonymous
Last year
12:31 15 Apr 16

Reply #585118

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Problem with wealthy owners at times is that when the passion or money drys up there is no team left. Who can forget the firepower Sydney Kings or that child care bloke that owned the ballets and went bust.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:58 15 Apr 16

Reply #585119

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Blame Clive Palmer ;)


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MACDUB
Last year
13:03 15 Apr 16

Reply #585122

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Matthew,

I don't think a blanket "population threshold" is the way to go.

A place like Wellington only has 400k odd people, but it has the sponsorship dollars and the following to be a very successful venture.

The Saints currently have at least 20 odd sponsors, some of those being major New Zealand companies.

They could make the transition very easily.


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ME
Last year
13:43 15 Apr 16

Reply #585129

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

I think we might be overestimating the spending teams are about to do. We have a big contract for a couple of key players in the league but that is it. The money may not end up being that big a difference when the dust has settled.

Townsville was probably going to fall even if the changes did happen. Part of me hoped they would because they've held the league back.


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PeterJohn
Last year
15:02 15 Apr 16

Reply #585134

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

^ "they've held the league back"

What do you mean? Held it back from what and how?


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Isaac
Last year
16:04 15 Apr 16

Reply #585142

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Cram, didn't the Crocs finish ahead of Sydney? Sydney spent up significantly on their roster. Apparently one of the most expensive.

Crocs and Hawks have been competitive enough. And an extra import would've helped.


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Matthew
Last year
16:11 15 Apr 16

Reply #585144

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

The way I look at it, is if you have a threshold population of a million, then lets say you alienate some fans... you have a chance of making new fans amongst the percentage of population you havnt drawn fans from already. You have room to grow your audience. You have 200K population total in your area, then once the segment of population gets to the alienated point then you dont have much play room to get them back or get ones ones. Its just about Ratio to scale.


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Zodiac
Last year
16:50 15 Apr 16

Reply #585150

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

One factor I don't think mentioned is that Brisbane essentially replacing Townsville was a part of the deal with Fox Sports. So much room for growth in Brisbane as opposed to Townsville which the locals have turned their back on anyway.

Remember Channel Ten too wasn't happy about broadcasting games in Townsville either. I think that last year of the Ten deal when the Crocs were playing out of that tin shed RSL Ten only televised one Crocs home game all season I think it was.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:55 15 Apr 16

Reply #585156

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Yes Brisbane were always destined to replace Townsville. The Fox coverage in the Ville came from the TEC nothing o do with the previous season. Simply put local basketball apathy killed the Crocs.


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koberulz
Last year
18:57 15 Apr 16

Reply #585165

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Ten didn't broadcast any Townsville home games in 2015.


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Haz
Last year
19:55 15 Apr 16

Reply #585175

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

As sad as it is to see the Crocs go, its no surprise. Very little support from Townsville pretty much ended this franchise.

I understand that there is significant resentment made from fans in general to how the club treated some of it's most popular players, and fair enough too. But how long can you hold a grudge for? I think most if not all clubs have made boneheaded decisions in the past, but generally these get forgotten or forgiven over time.

For Townsville, they could never recover from their mistakes. The fans abandonment because of mismanagement and waning interest in the game (along with a struggling economy) was the death of this club.

Being a perennial loser on the court didn't help much, but you need to stick with your club even during the losing years if you expect to get better again. Having said that, the Crocs were one of the best teams to watch last season - just their unpredictability and heart made them a must-watch team. Local's didn't care.

So long Crocs, I'm afraid you won't be missed much though - from your own town or from the league. I certainly hope the fans of Townsville realise what they have lost.


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proud
Last year
23:01 15 Apr 16

Reply #585190

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Thanks DJ Rod, I remember their 20 year celebrations and them saying that Rob Rose was their first retired jersey but I hadn't seen the rest.

Absolutely agree with Haz, we keep reading that the fans were alienated but now the team is dead, do they care or find it funny or sad or what?

So we all know that Townsville had an awful draw with most home games being midweek; so the serious question, who's getting those awful midweek home games now?

NZ seem to enjoy Thursday games so they can have those but what about Wednesday? Cairns and Illawarra most probably but I think the most interesting feature of the draw will be Brisbane. Will they get a favoritable draw. Will LKG give them games on weekends to make the team more valuable and earn back the investment


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Crazy Dazz
Last year
02:57 16 Apr 16

Reply #585199

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

It's Sad.
I'm the first one to say that teams need to be viable, but what I can't understand is how this happened with the prospect of the salary subsidy coming in? Would have thought they would be the number one beneficiary?
In the AFL, clubs like the Eagles, Dockers, and Pies, subsidise the basket-case clubs to the tune of millions every season. Why? Because without them you don't have the competition.
Teams like the Wildcats will presumably be paying out big on the salary cap "tax" this was SUPPOSED to be distributed to teams like the Crocs. Who gets it now?

At the end of the day, for a team like TVL to survive, you need a phenomenal proportion of support from the local community, and sadly I think they pissed off their fans just one too many times.


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proud
Last year
15:28 16 Apr 16

Reply #585227

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Absolutely mate, you'd imagine that Townsville would be the top beneficiary and you'd imagine that Cairns will be the benefit the most now...

Does anybody believe that Townsville basketbsll fans will drive up to Cairns to see some NBL?


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Mukalukas
Last year
21:46 16 Apr 16

Reply #585243

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

Yeah but how does the salary "cap" tax work , certainly it can't this season unless teams already admitt & decide how much they will exceed the "cap" by so the tax can be collected immediately & distributed asap to help the regional teams in recruitment & retention . It can only be collected & distributed during the season or @ the begining of next season for that season , meaning this "transition" season so to speak the regional teams this season will stuggle to afford players until that money flows down , that "tax" money needs to be advanced to the regional teams now so they can compete in the recruiting of players this coming season . Looks like @ this early stage most of the "cap" tax will come from United with all the rumoured singings they will have which in essence is LK's money anyway.


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kingpodge
Last year
10:33 17 Apr 16

Reply #585251

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

no one is driving 8hrs to see a team, that isn't theirs, play a regular season game. No former crocs fans will be doing that.


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PeterJohn
Last year
11:50 17 Apr 16

Reply #585253

re: Townsville Crocs withdraw from NBL

mukalukas - good question. Based on the NBL press release, it's not clear whether the luxury tax will be calculated based on actual salary spend or on deemed salary spend. The press release talks about using deemed salary spend for "salary cap purposes".

Also, the release said the luxury tax proceeds would be held in an account for use to help clubs struggling to meet the new salary FLOOR. Again, will that be base don those clubs' actual spend or deemed spend? What will happen to any luxury tax proceeds left over after assistance (to reach the salary floor) has been given to the struggling clubs?


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