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Isaac
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Trouble facing WNBL

Risk of dropping to 6 teams.

http://m.theage.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/team-in-crisis-melbourne-boomers-risk-disbandment-20160513-gouw3e.html

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Anonymous
Last year
23:37 13 May 16

Reply #587297

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Certainly some "journalistic licence" being played in that report lol


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What if
Last year
11:44 14 May 16

Reply #587316

re: Trouble facing WNBL

No doubt the WNBL is facing problems again this year with some teams struggling to find enough financial support. Big question to whether Adelaide will remain ..... loosing both of their quality bigs already. Will make it tough to become competitive again assuming they find the money late in the off season to put a team on the floor.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:59 14 May 16

Reply #587327

re: Trouble facing WNBL

The league will continue to have issues until they get a television deal. Been told it's imminent though

Basketball Australia promise the world but rarely deliver.


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HO
Last year
22:00 14 May 16

Reply #587339

re: Trouble facing WNBL

A tv deal will not make the WNBL anywhere near sustainable.


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Luuuc
Last year
22:09 14 May 16

Reply #587341

re: Trouble facing WNBL

It's no magical cure but it would certainly be a big help.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:18 14 May 16

Reply #587342

re: Trouble facing WNBL

This could be a great opportunity for NBL clubs to invest in a WNBL team combining the two teams membership base as one and get back to playing WNBL games as a curtain raiser to NBL games.


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Luuuc
Last year
22:32 14 May 16

Reply #587344

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I'm all for that as I enjoyed the days when the Breakers played before the Wildcats, but if I'm being honest then in most cases I'd have to question what's in it for an NBL team that is already struggling.
(on the other hand, the Fire could probably have considered buying their brother team and having the Crocs play as their curtain raiser :p )


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proud
Last year
06:22 16 May 16

Reply #587377

re: Trouble facing WNBL

It must be hard to take with women's sport booking in this country and around the world or and yet basketball is still struggling to stay afloat and viable


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koberulz
Last year
07:09 16 May 16

Reply #587381

re: Trouble facing WNBL

...what?


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Isaac
Last year
09:25 16 May 16

Reply #587391

re: Trouble facing WNBL

This could be a great opportunity for NBL clubs to invest in a WNBL team combining the two teams membership base as one and get back to playing WNBL games as a curtain raiser to NBL games.
Not sure if "invest" works in the financial sense.

There was an article recently about AFL clubs supporting netball clubs, but it was all phrased as a temporary thing until the netball clubs could find their feet. It almost always seems semi-charitable.

Is travel (flights and accommodation) a significant portion of an WNBL club's expenditure?


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Anonymous
Last year
15:52 16 May 16

Reply #587430

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I'm surprised the WNBL has been running for over 30yrs considering the netball cancer that afflicts our nation.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:53 16 May 16

Reply #587431

re: Trouble facing WNBL

"This could be a great opportunity for NBL clubs to invest in a WNBL team "

Yeah because NBL clubs need yet another opportunity in which bleed money.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:55 16 May 16

Reply #587432

re: Trouble facing WNBL

"This could be a great opportunity for NBL clubs to invest in a WNBL team "

Yeah because NBL clubs need yet another opportunity in which to bleed money.


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Statman
Last year
20:22 16 May 16

Reply #587456

Lightning & Boomers Goooone?

Just saw posted on FB (cause that's always 100% factual) that the Townsville news has reported that Adelaide and Melbourne have handed back their WNBL licenses? Anyone able to confirm or deny this?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:31 16 May 16

Reply #587457

re: Trouble facing WNBL

The license from Adelaide was handed back before the start of last season. They played on under the ownership of Basketball Australia & all basketball operations were run by Basketball SA.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:32 16 May 16

Reply #587458

re: Trouble facing WNBL

The 2 clubs gone are SEQ and possibly Melbourne


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Anonymous
Last year
20:38 16 May 16

Reply #587461

re: Trouble facing WNBL

is Knox basketball the biggest domestic club in Australia?

Melbourne are based there?


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Anonymous
Last year
01:54 17 May 16

Reply #587463

re: Trouble facing WNBL

How few teams do you carry before the whole league throws it in?


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Anonymous
Last year
08:56 17 May 16

Reply #587469

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Ironic isn't it, that the australian government spend all this money on advertising campaigns to be shown on TV and billboards and newspapers to keep women in sport and encourage active lifestyles yet they do nothing to keep the sports they want them to be involved in , on the TV and in the public eye to encourage and inspire young girls to want to be involved.

Why are BA not taking their case to the government to help keep these women's teams ....(who do not get the big pay packages the men's teams do)... Afloat.
Loosing TV exposure has been an issue but the fact is they only ever had support from ABC, not a more main stream channel.
They say ratings are the reason, but really what comes first the chicken or the egg, if you don't get exposure how the hell can you get support.

Time both WNBL and BA got working together before women's basketball is left with nothing but a domestic comp, then let's see how well they continue to do in international competition.
The opals have been without doubt far far more successful for australian sport, than the boomers, yet still more is thrown at the boomers program year after year, they get airtime on TV , the opals don't, certainly not like the boomers do.
They get media coverage in the papers, again the opals don't not like the boomers, and it's the same with NBL V WNBL...... How do they expect to get sponsors on board to bring in revenue to keep clubs afloat if no one knows they are playing


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Farrison Hord
Last year
09:50 17 May 16

Reply #587470

re: Trouble facing WNBL

^^ Boom


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paul
Last year
09:52 17 May 16

Reply #587471

re: Trouble facing WNBL

"The opals have been without doubt far far more successful for australian sport, than the boomers, yet still more is thrown at the boomers program year after year"

I think you should check your facts on that one.


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AuspiciousApple
Last year
11:28 17 May 16

Reply #587479

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Its clear that BA aren't awesome at running basketball leagues.

Moore is like most politician's that talk a decent game although there aren't really any results to show.

That said if the 5-6 wnbl team left were wrapped into the seabl it might not be the worst thing in the world.


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Luuuc
Last year
11:58 17 May 16

Reply #587482

re: Trouble facing WNBL

"Its clear that BA aren't awesome at running basketball leagues."

Yeah, depressingly clear :/

I agree that TV exposure is not the be all and end all for the WNBL's survival, but the environment in which they compete for the elusive women's sponsorship dollar I can easily see how it cold be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Just shocking timing given the way that women's leagues in general are suddenly getting some interest in the last year or two.
BA should have had the WNBL leading the charge, not getting left in its wake :(


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AuspiciousApple
Last year
12:06 17 May 16

Reply #587484

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I am posting on a basketball forum, although I'd much prefer to watch athletes the level of Bec Allen, Talbot and Katie-Rae run around on TV rather then the current crop of womens AFL players...


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Anonymous
Last year
13:44 17 May 16

Reply #587496

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Couldn't agree more.

The WNBL and Netball athletes are so far advanced than the women's AFL it is laughable.

The WNBL need better leadership and a TV deal to help bring sponsors in. What does Paul Maley actually do? He was put in a position to improve the league not send it in the other direction.

Correct about the CEO, talks a big game but doesn't walk it unfortunately.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:55 25 May 16

Reply #587892

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Melbourne Boomers saved with some help from the great Lauren Jackson

Still nothing on Adelaide

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/lauren-jackson-to-the-rescue-for-melbourne-boomers-20160524-gp2zdz.html


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Anonymous
Last year
11:17 25 May 16

Reply #587896

re: Trouble facing WNBL

That's great news, but what about the other clubs who have to pay ! It's great BA and BV are willing to help financially for three years melbourne boomers, but what if all the clubs come to the same point..... They can't bail them all out. If they have private sponsors then that sponsorship should cover their costs.
Where does the extra come from that BA and BV are putting in.

Both BA and WNBL combined need to do a lot more to get the league out their so that public interest can bring in the bigger sponsors for all clubs, they just do bandaid jobs and don't address the league as a whole.
ThevWNBL went an entire season with NO media coverage apart from what the individual clubs did on social media and Internet. Meanwhile we had rerun after rerun of NBL games on Foxtel.
Why is Maley not pushing to get more exposure for the women's program, isn't that his job.

Sponsors want value for money, sponsorship is a form of advertising , so these teams needs to be the marketing tool, it's not rocket science.


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Isaac
Last year
11:55 25 May 16

Reply #587898

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Does obsessing over TV deals make for too much of a distraction for these Australian leagues?


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ANON
Last year
12:47 25 May 16

Reply #587905

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I wonder if BA are in discussion with BSA with a similar financial rescue package to try and get the Adelaide Lightning situation turned around ???


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Bear
Last year
13:02 25 May 16

Reply #587909

re: Trouble facing WNBL

At the risk of being called sexist, I recall a time when the WNBL, or some women's basketball players were wearing much better fitting uniforms and the game was flying.

It wasn't that long ago, look at Netball and how great the girls look in those uniforms, they have the hype and along with it comes the sponsors and the TV, so maybe the WNBL can look at the whole package and get back to selling some appeal?

Just a thought...


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Anonymous
Last year
13:35 25 May 16

Reply #587914

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Seriously if it was your wife or daughter or sister would you want the only reason people came to watch was because of how they looked in skin tight uniforms.

How about think of that before you offer up such a remark


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paul
Last year
17:01 25 May 16

Reply #587931

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Do you honestly think cluey men's leagues don't factor in how good their players look when designing uniforms?

A part of Aussie rules' success with the female market is the sleeveless jumpers (and previously tight shorts). Sexiness sells, that's hardly a secret.

I'm not a fan of the full body suits at all, but the current uniforms are as daggy as the NBL's have traditionally been, and that's saying something!


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Anonymous
Last year
18:05 25 May 16

Reply #587939

re: Trouble facing WNBL

ROFLMAO ^

Paul you honestly cannot be serious, they don't factor females fans in the least they don't need too

Nor do they have to do anything but show up to get on media radar

Try another angle, but please don't ever try to compare men's sports with women's sports being equal via the sexism route

You ask any female basketball player if they feel comfortable in those suits, let alone feel they should need them to gain media or public interest, that's just insulting

Plenty of other options to gain exposure and grow your fan base than using the " sex sells" angle.


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paul
Last year
19:13 25 May 16

Reply #587942

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I would say female fans are the number one thing the AFL considers, because women hold the spending power in this country and the AFL knows they have to be on side with women or their corporate support will diminish.

Any league that has high quality athletes is silly if they're not shine off the bodies of those athletes in some way, although as I said earlier, I don't think the body suits is the way to do it.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:02 25 May 16

Reply #587948

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I am with Bear on this, anon has a very thin layer of skin


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Anonymous
Last year
05:04 26 May 16

Reply #587954

re: Trouble facing WNBL

It's not like BA doesn't have some very attractive women to market in a more non-sexist manner if they wanted to go that route. Penny Taylor is a looker and seems to be an all around good person with a world class skill set to match, yet we hardly ever see anything from BA with her.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:34 26 May 16

Reply #587959

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Penny Taylor has been ignored by BA for years despite being a better all round player than Jackson. BA mistake was only using Jackson as the poster girl instead of multiple WNBL & WNBA Australians. I too like Taylor would solely focus on one last Olympics aiming to finish a great career with a Gold Medal.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:25 26 May 16

Reply #587962

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Exactly, promote the personality and off court activities within the community, not the body shape running around on the crt, all of these women have far more to offer than their sex appeal
Get their faces and voices known by promoting them and use them to promote the sport of basketball...... Not the sport of men ogling "tits and ass"

BA and WNBL should have the likes of penny Taylor and LJ doing TV adds to get the interest in,


But of course that would mean they would have to actually fight for some air time

Think it all goes in the to hard bracket and those who are supposed to be getting paid to organise this are happy to just sit on their hands


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bane187
Last year
11:44 26 May 16

Reply #587963

re: Trouble facing WNBL

#587959

I'm glad you think Penny should give up 6 figures late in her career to 'focus' on winning a gold medal, instead of being in the best possible shape and be sharp basketball wise by playing in the best league in the world for the next few months.


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paul
Last year
13:16 26 May 16

Reply #587976

re: Trouble facing WNBL

"Exactly, promote the personality and off court activities within the community, not the body shape running around on the crt"

Do both.


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snooch
Last year
13:36 26 May 16

Reply #587979

re: Trouble facing WNBL

You honestly think AFL players wear sleeveless jumpers to attract females to the game???


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paul
Last year
13:39 26 May 16

Reply #587980

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I didn't say that. I said they do attract/keep female fans, and that any smart sports league considers how their athletes look when designing uniforms. The NBL has failed dismally to show off their athletes in that regard.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:15 26 May 16

Reply #587982

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Paul you obviously have no daughters sisters etc, otherwise you certainly wouldn't be pushing that part .......
And do you seriously think people watch sport because of how they are dressed on the field/crt

People watch sport because they enjoy the game, or take a liking to a player because of many reasons, but certainly not for how well the uniforms fit lol

They watch it because it's exposed to them, it heightens their interest and they get entertained.

I'm sure you have seen the fanfare and hype of the American college system in all sports not just basketball..... They do this to encourage sponsors or boosters as they call them to get on board, sell their company/product, as it brings the crowds in.
It's all about getting it out there, it's not about uniforms.

If only it were ..... It would be a simple case of getting a good designer in


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paul
Last year
14:25 26 May 16

Reply #587983

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Anon, I think the fact you can't see that entertainment industries all around the globe (film, music, TV, sport) make the most of the fact their performers are attractive shows how limited your insight is. Your incorrect assumptions about me, made from a position of complete ignorance, provide a similar insight.


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paul
Last year
14:44 26 May 16

Reply #587986

re: Trouble facing WNBL

I've been talking generally about sports comps, but to narrow it down to the NBL and WNBL, those are two comps that are viewed widely as being of low quality, and if the players are in uniforms that make them look unathletic it only adds to that false perception.

Not getting that area right is failing to dot I’s and cross T’s, and neither of our basketball leagues can afford not to do that when it is so simple.


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Anna Kournikova
Last year
17:29 26 May 16

Reply #587992

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Annon. I disagree. I think marketing and leveraging how well athletes look goes a long way towards promotion and revenue generation in most sports.

Despite what the politically correct or those with daughters or sisters may think. Just called Raffa and Becks and they said they agree.


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snooch
Last year
19:21 26 May 16

Reply #587999

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Yep, apologies Paul, misread what you said.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:28 27 May 16

Reply #588020

re: Trouble facing WNBL

The game itself is attractive enough. Boobs and butts are not going to change anything except the idiots who would come because of it.. If the basketball community supported the sport it would be fine. I know of so many Moms that take their daughters to every ANZ championship game but don't support their own clubs senior team..


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Anonymous
Last year
08:29 27 May 16

Reply #588021

re: Trouble facing WNBL

How about getting NBA / WNBA televised.. That would impact it more


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Anonymous
Last year
09:16 27 May 16

Reply #588022

re: Trouble facing WNBL

LOL They can't even get the WNBA televised regularly in the US, good luck getting it here.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:32 27 May 16

Reply #588029

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Anonymous who obviously has daughters playing basketball, chill out man/woman, how do those girls playing netball get by? They look very nice in skirts and they don't seem to mind at all plus it helps sell tickets and promote their game doesn't it?


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Anonymous
Last year
11:43 27 May 16

Reply #588032

re: Trouble facing WNBL

Remember when the Opals regularly posed in Black + White. I'm not convinced everyone having the opportunity of seeing LJ and Penny's breasts brought in heaps of fans.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:33 27 May 16

Reply #588041

re: Trouble facing WNBL

LOL They can't even get the WNBA televised regularly in the US, good luck getting it here.


Good point lol


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