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Luuuc
Last year

#39435

Opals tour of Europe

Game 1: Opals 90 - Argentina 48

Stats (Points, plus any other stat that is 3+)

*Cambage 23, 10r
Ebzery 13, 4r
Hodges 10, 3r, 3a
Madgen 10
*Mitchell 9, 3r, 3a
Lavey 7
Batkovic 5, 6r, 3s
George 4, 6r
Allen 4
*Jarry 3, 3r, 3a
*Talbot 2, 7a, 3to
*Burton 0, 6, 3to

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Anonymous
Last year
16:23 30 May 16

Reply #588190

re: Opals tour of Europe

Critical that Cambage and Taylor remain injury free if we are to get to that gold medal game. Both in superb form, Liz with the Opals and Penny with Phoenix. Phillips also playing well for Dallas.

Another monster game from Burton!


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Anonymous
Last year
22:37 30 May 16

Reply #588223

re: Opals tour of Europe

Did they take Tolo all the way to Europe to not test out her knee in a blow out?


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Luuuc
Last year
10:41 31 May 16

Reply #588248

re: Opals tour of Europe

Game 2: Opals 55 - Spain 58

Cambage started but fouled out in only 6:43. Probably would have been handy if Tolo had been in the 12.
28 turnovers for the team

*Talbot 16, 3r, 3s, 4to
Hodges 10, 3r
*Jarry 8, 3a, 4to
Ebzery 8, 3to
George 7, 6r, 3to
*Cambage 3, 4to
*Mitchell 1, 4r, 6a
Batkovic 1, 3r
Madgen 1
*Burton 0, 5r, 3a
Allen 0, 3r
Lavey 0


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harryteabagpotter
Last year
11:24 31 May 16

Reply #588252

re: Opals tour of Europe

I'm waiting for a Joyce quote about the great defence Burton and Lavey played in this game.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:48 31 May 16

Reply #588254

re: Opals tour of Europe

Wait no longer:

Basketball Australia [email protected]
.@Brendan_Joyce12 5/6 We were forced us to go small with foul trouble placing Nat Burton and Laura Hodges on the floor.

Basketball Australia [email protected]
.@Brendan_Joyce12 6/6 We then started to pull the game back.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:10 31 May 16

Reply #588258

re: Opals tour of Europe

Rio Should be...
Phillips/Mitchell
Taylor/Allen/ebzery
Jarry/Talbot
Hodges/George/tolo
Cambage/batkovic

But with lavey and burton certain picks...
1 of George or batkovic is going to make way and 1 of ebzery or Allen.


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Anonymous
Last year
05:28 1 Jun 16

Reply #588331

re: Opals tour of Europe

Tolo is with the team in Europe, why didn't they make her available for the roster?


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Luuuc
Last year
09:13 3 Jun 16

Reply #588460

re: Opals tour of Europe

Opals 54 - Italy 46

Lavey & Ebzery got the start this time.

*Cambage 15, 9r, 3b, 4to
*Talbot 8, 4r
*Lavey 8, 3r, 3to
Jarry 6, 4r, 3to
*Burton 5, 6r
Madgen 4
Hodges 3, 3r
Allen 3
George 2, 4r
Mitchell 0, 3a
Batkovic 0, 3r, 4to
*Ebzery 0
Tolo DNP



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harryteabagpotter
Last year
11:51 3 Jun 16

Reply #588495

re: Opals tour of Europe

What up with Bec Allen?

Is she not playing many minutes because she is out of favour, hurt or something else.

With Taylor coming back it looks like her spot is surprisingly at risk with Talbot, Ebzery and Jarry ahead of her (going by play in this current tour).


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Anonymous
Last year
11:56 3 Jun 16

Reply #588496

re: Opals tour of Europe

Not a confidence inspiring score, once again.


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Luuuc
Last year
14:16 3 Jun 16

Reply #588528

re: Opals tour of Europe

No, it sure isn't, considering the opposition.

Proper boxscore is here:
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/FIP/295757/index_en_AU.html


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Anonymous
Last year
14:29 3 Jun 16

Reply #588529

re: Opals tour of Europe

I would say Bec Allen is way behind Talbot in the rotation. Talbot is a future star both for the Opals and Phoenix when she decides to head over. Talbot, Taylor, Cambage and Phillips will play huge minutes in the critical Rio matches.

I still think Allen will get the nod over Ebzery due to her length.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:40 3 Jun 16

Reply #588531

re: Opals tour of Europe

Why is burton getting close to 25 mins every game and hodges, batkovic and George all getting under 15 and 10 mins.

Stats:
0/6/
0/5/3
5/6/2


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Luuuc
Last year
14:53 3 Jun 16

Reply #588534

re: Opals tour of Europe

"I still think Allen will get the nod over Ebzery due to her length."

They're totally different players so I don't see them as battling for the same spot. But Allen definitely does seem on the outer. 13 minutes in the blowout of Argentina, but then < 3 min vs Spain and now just 5:33 vs Italy. I know there are 12 players to give minutes to, but I would have thought everyone would be getting 10+ just so the coaches can assess them fairly.


"Why is burton getting close to 25 mins every game"

Because:
"It was a game we had to grind it out defensively with a tremendous defensive effort with Steph Talbot and Nat Burton leading the way."
;)


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Anonymous
Last year
15:36 3 Jun 16

Reply #588541

re: Opals tour of Europe

Rebecca Allen is a quality player, maybe it will be a Jenna O'Hea situation all over again.

A team of:

Phillips
Taylor
O'Hea
Hodges
Cambage

Mitchell/Lavey
Allen
Talbot/Jarry
George/Batkovic


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Anonymous
Last year
11:56 4 Jun 16

Reply #588565

re: Opals tour of Europe

Yeah ohea off the team is crazy...
One of the best 3 pt shooters in the world in the women's game.

I would have had a slightly different squad..

Phillips/Mansfield
Taylor/ohea/ebzery
Talbot/jarry
Griffin/George/tolo
Cambage/batkovic


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Luuuc
Last year
12:07 4 Jun 16

Reply #588567

re: Opals tour of Europe

All is well. We beat an understrength Belgium team, proving that no changes are required.


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Luuuc
Last year
12:46 4 Jun 16

Reply #588568

re: Opals tour of Europe

Still haven't seen full stats for this one, but

Opals 81 - Belgium 59

Lavey 2 (1/2)
Mitchell 5 (1/4, 1/3)
Allen 6 (3/4, 0/1)
Talbot 8 (4/7, 0/1)
Batkovic 3 (1/5)
Burton 4 (1/2, 0/1)
Jarry 2 (1/4, 0/1)
Hodges 2 (0/3)
Madgen 10 (2/3, 2/3)
Ebzery 13 (3/5, 1/1)
Cambage 26 (8/9)
George 0 (0/1)

Most rebounds: Cambage (7)
Most assists: Mitchell (3)


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Luuuc
Last year
10:08 5 Jun 16

Reply #588599

re: Opals tour of Europe

Opals 82 - Cameroon 28

Lavey 11 (1/2, 3/4)
Mitchell 9 (1/4, 2/3)
Allen 7 (2/3, 1/2)
Talbot 11 (3/7, 1/3)
Batkovic 2 (0/3, 0/1)
Burton 1 (0/1)
Jarry 5 (2/5, 0/1)
Hodges 0 (0/3)
Madgen 2 (1/4, 0/2)
Ebzery 16 (2/4, 3/4)
Cambage 12 (4/7)
George 6 (2/4)

Most Rebounds: Talbot (10)
Most Assists: Mitchell (6)
Five Dicks: Cambage (??? Thank Google Translate for that useful stat)


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Anonymous
Last year
07:15 9 Jun 16

Reply #588907

re: Opals tour of Europe

Opals lost to Canada by score of 72-60.


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RobNbanks
Last year
12:47 9 Jun 16

Reply #588946

re: Opals tour of Europe

Canada are a problem. They play a slow pace and don't let the Opals get out on the break and have really improved over the last few years.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:57 9 Jun 16

Reply #588986

re: Opals tour of Europe

And this was a Canada missing all its WNBA players, which are more numerous at this point than Opals playing in the WNBA.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:13 9 Jun 16

Reply #588987

re: Opals tour of Europe

Probably Hamblin, bulgak, Weisner, nurse to come in?


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Anonymous
Last year
00:44 10 Jun 16

Reply #588990

re: Opals tour of Europe

"Probably Hamblin, bulgak, Weisner, nurse to come in?"

Plus: Achonwa, by far the best from that group. Nirra Fields is in the mix too.


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Anonymous
Last year
06:34 10 Jun 16

Reply #588995

re: Opals tour of Europe

Opals defeated by France, score of France 58 - Opals 50.

I'd chip in a few coins for BA to send over a body guard to protect Penny Taylor from now until Olympics.


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Luuuc
Last year
10:07 10 Jun 16

Reply #589007

re: Opals tour of Europe

Some pretty uninspiring results this week.
Once again Liz was very effective while she was on the court, but fouled out way too quickly. Too much reliance on her at the moment. We seem to struggle to put points on the board without her.
On the plus side, it's great that Tolo is back in action. 20 minutes is a nice hit-out for her.

Boxscores from France

Opals 90 - China 69
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/FFBB/296826/index_en_AU.html

Opals 60 - Canada 72
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/FFBB/296827/index.html

Opals 50 - France 58
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/FFBB/296825/index_en_AU.html


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RobNbanks
Last year
11:01 10 Jun 16

Reply #589009

re: Opals tour of Europe

It doesn't look like France played great with Yacoubou and Dumerc shooting 3-20 between them.

Yacoubou seems like a player that can draw a lot of fouls.

Joyce is going straight ride or die with Burton as a main rotation player.


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Luuuc
Last year
11:55 10 Jun 16

Reply #589014

re: Opals tour of Europe

Here's a combined boxscore for the tour - not including the blowout over Cameroon





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Bear
Last year
12:00 10 Jun 16

Reply #589015

re: Opals tour of Europe

Nice one Luuuc, if Mitchell can improve her shooting she has the highest percentage of assists, could be a gun if her shots were to drop more often?


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Bear
Last year
12:05 10 Jun 16

Reply #589017

re: Opals tour of Europe

Also, a shame Blicsavs was injured at the wrong time and couldn't have been with this team, she would be just what they need IMHO.

Great shooter, has height, strong rebounder and moves well over the floor plus can defend medium talls and smalls.


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Camel 31
Last year
12:54 10 Jun 16

Reply #589029

re: Opals tour of Europe

While Cambage 16 & 7 in only 16 minutes seems pretty good


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Luuuc
Last year
15:14 10 Jun 16

Reply #589047

re: Opals tour of Europe

Yeah, Cambage by far the standout player of the tour. Those numbers per minute are just dominant. I sure hope the foul trouble is something she can adjust to when it really matters though.

Looking at the minutes, and keeping in mind that a healthy Penny Taylor is an automatic inclusion into the 12, Talbot's spot seems pretty safe. Bec Allen on the other hand seems to be in Joyce's doghouse, which is a surprise to me.

I have been encouraged by Joyce's willingness to play Ebzery & Madgen, and I feel like they have both done pretty well with their opportunities. Katie-Rae in particular is a player I have wanted in the side, but I feared she wouldn't get a fair chance to prove herself. The chance came on this tour and she has staked her claim pretty well - even earning herself 4 starts. Tess has been solid too, but my guess is that she will ultimately be the one cut for Phillips, as they're both similar combo guards.

The front court is still a log jam, and other than this tour confirming Joyce's love of all things Burton, I'm not really sure what else to make of it. < 10 minutes per game for both Batkovic & George is especially odd when you consider how few minutes Cambage has played.

And yes, Bear, I agree with you about the Blicavs situation. There is a lot of sameness about our front court options.


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Titan 34
Last year
07:47 11 Jun 16

Reply #589072

re: Opals tour of Europe

Great work Luuuc! Thank you for all your updates.

I too don't understand Brandon's decisions re allocation of minutes in the game. Natalie's results for the minutes played are a clear indicator that she's not ready for this level of competition.

Playing Players <10 minutes? Not sure what that's about? These minutes would have been broken up through quarters. Couple of minutes here and there would not allow for any rhythm.

If trying to justify tye final decision by employing these tactics it's not in the interest of Basketball Australia.

To be able to determine which players are best they need to be given similar opportunities.

But on the other hand, Brandon might already know what some players bring to the table, due to their caliber and doesn't need to play them as many minutes.

He might be giving more minutes only to players he needs to asses and exposure to some younger players at this level of competition to help prepare them for future events.

Time will tell!


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Anonymous
Last year
08:44 11 Jun 16

Reply #589073

re: Opals tour of Europe

Joyce is just going through the motions, his teams been picked from the start....


His 4 yr contract is up after rio


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Titan 34
Last year
10:08 11 Jun 16

Reply #589077

re: Opals tour of Europe

i would hate to think that tha's the case.

Would he not want to finish on a good note and ensure Australian Women retain their high standing in the world? At least I hope that's the case. If not than he should be gone before the contract runs out!

I am sure Basketball Australia would be happy to sign another 4 year contract with a couch who inspires players and earns trust from public and players.


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Titan 34
Last year
18:29 11 Jun 16

Reply #589106

re: Opals tour of Europe

Luuuc

Would love to see the games matrix inclusive of the last game. Any chance of the updated version?


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Luuuc
Last year
00:53 12 Jun 16

Reply #589111

re: Opals tour of Europe

Titan 34, the one I posted above includes the last game (the loss to France).
The only game it doesn't include is the 82-28 rout of Cameroon, which I purposely omitted because I figured that a meaningless blowout like that would skew the numbers (eg. Bec Allen started that game and played nearly 20 minutes. She never got close to that amount of time in any other game).

But here are the numbers with all games included:





And just for fun, here are the same numbers adjusted to a "per 40 minutes" baseline.
(Shooting percentages stay the same so I haven't bothered to include them again)







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Titan 34
Last year
08:19 12 Jun 16

Reply #589115

re: Opals tour of Europe

Awesome! Thank you Luuuc

I see what you mean. Sorry I misunderstood the first matrix. Nice to have all though.

Like the comparison based on a 40 minute baseline. It's quite telling even if it doesn't include +/- effectiveness.

I am sure there was an impact on players performance when given 1 minute to 3 minute stints. Also, to assess properly the effectiveness of an individual they should be provided with similar opportunities, which was not the case during this tour of Europe.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:18 12 Jun 16

Reply #589117

re: Opals tour of Europe

OMG...... Burton !!!!!!!!
I know your 40min stats line was for "fun" but nothing funny about those stats at all, and she will still make that team

( walks away shaking his head and putting it down to one of life's great mysteries)


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Anonymous
Last year
14:36 12 Jun 16

Reply #589123

re: Opals tour of Europe

No fault of Burton's but if Joyce continues down this path then hopefully it costs him his job and we can put in a women's basketball coach who understands and has experience with women's basketball at the elite level.


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paul
Last year
15:41 12 Jun 16

Reply #589126

re: Opals tour of Europe

Top 5s from tour per 40 mins:

Scoring - Cambage, Ebzery, Batkovic, Tolo, Lavey

Rebounding - Cambage, Batkovic, George, Burton, Talbot

Assists - Mitchell, Talbot, Lavey, Burton, Hodges

TOs (fewest) - Madgen, Hodges, Burton, Allen, Mitchell

2pFG% - Cambage, Tolo, Lavey, George, Madgen

3pFG% - Ebzery, Lavey, Madgen, Talbot, Mitchell


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Anonymous
Last year
17:16 12 Jun 16

Reply #589127

re: Opals tour of Europe

^^agree totally, not buttons fault at all, and hopefully BA sees sense


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Anonymous
Last year
17:58 12 Jun 16

Reply #589129

re: Opals tour of Europe

The per 40 doesn't really come into play when some didn't even play 40 mins the whole series.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:35 12 Jun 16

Reply #589130

re: Opals tour of Europe

Burton is behind everyone but the PGs in terms of blocks and 3rd last in steals overall.

According to Joyce she's a defensive stalwart, but only the coaches understand this apparently judging by his most recent tweet.

#clown


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fluffy_neck_beard
Last year
12:46 13 Jun 16

Reply #589165

re: Opals tour of Europe

https://twitter.com/Brendan_Joyce12/status/741542056473075713
@Brendan_Joyce12
When you score 1must then be part of another important part of the game.It's called defence its not measured by many but measured by us!+-s

This is perhaps the first national team head coach subtweet to the hoops.com.au community.

Its clear the guy is a basketball genius and nothing he does should be questioned. Hopefully BA sign him up to a new 12 year deal.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:08 13 Jun 16

Reply #589167

re: Opals tour of Europe

If Sami Whitcomb is naturalized as the Lynx expect as per their articles is she a shot at the Opals in the future?


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Anonymous
Last year
15:43 13 Jun 16

Reply #589173

re: Opals tour of Europe

Doubt it. She's already like 28 and the next major tournament isn't till 2019.

2019-2020
Maybe something like...

G
Lavey
Mansfield
Ebzery

G/F
Jarry
Allen
Talbot
Blicavs

PF/C
George
Tolo
Cambage

Real possibilities...
Seekamp
Wallace
Wehrung
Sharp
Horvat
Bibby
Froling
Magbegor
Smith
Mijovic
Bunton


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Anonymous
Last year
16:25 13 Jun 16

Reply #589178

re: Opals tour of Europe

Yeah Nah


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Anonymous
Last year
00:44 14 Jun 16

Reply #589190

re: Opals tour of Europe

Joyce's subtweet is barely intelligible. I had to concentrate like I was reading a foreign language.


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Luuuc
Last year
17:21 18 Jun 16

Reply #589510

re: Opals tour of Europe


http://www.botinagy.com/blog/opals-must-select-best-12-for-rio/


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paul
Last year
17:37 18 Jun 16

Reply #589512

re: Opals tour of Europe

Of course you must select the best 12, it's what criteria you use to judge the best 12 that makes it tricky. If you could just pick the 12 best scorers and they'd magically function as a team then you wouldn't need a coach, but sadly it doesn't work that way.


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Titan 34
Last year
19:15 18 Jun 16

Reply #589514

re: Opals tour of Europe

Great article Boti!


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Anonymous
Last year
19:19 18 Jun 16

Reply #589515

re: Opals tour of Europe

2016 Rio Should be...

Phillips/Mitchell/lavey
Taylor/ebzery
Talbot/jarry
Hodges/George/tolo
Cambage/batkovic

Burton, Allen, madgen out


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Anonymous
Last year
19:22 18 Jun 16

Reply #589517

re: Opals tour of Europe

No, the best team isn't necessarily the one comprised of the 12 best individuals. But the best team also doesn't include someone with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The stats do all the talking needed in this case. She does not excel in any area even at WNBL level. Joyce is more concerned about saving face than he is about Olympic success. It is pathetic. There's no shame in admitting he was wrong about the future he projected for her. He gave her every chance and then some but it didn't work out. So time to cut his losses on that one and face reality. His reputation will suffer a lot more if he starts her every game and misses the semi finals in Rio than if he admits he was wrong about that one thing, picks a proper team, and wins the games we are capable of winning.


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TimeTravelingGoat
Last year
19:22 18 Jun 16

Reply #589518

re: Opals tour of Europe

Boti comes through with the clutch article.

Great job!


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Anonymous
Last year
19:48 18 Jun 16

Reply #589519

re: Opals tour of Europe

I hope it's not too late


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Anonymous
Last year
01:37 19 Jun 16

Reply #589527

re: Opals tour of Europe

I hope that doesn't dig him in his trenches even deeper.


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paul
Last year
07:47 19 Jun 16

Reply #589531

re: Opals tour of Europe

Putting Burton aside, who is in your best 12 out of Cambage, Batkovic, Hodges, Tolo, George and Bishop and why? What criteria do you use?

Same for Taylor, Allen Talbot, Ebzery, Jarry, Blicavs and Madgen on the wings? Do you go on individual performances in the WNBL, individual performances for the Opals or who has played best with other combinations for the Opals?

The article should have been called Don't pick Natalie Burton, because it didn't touch on the concept of the 'best 12' at all.


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fstos
Last year
09:39 19 Jun 16

Reply #589534

re: Opals tour of Europe

If past performance is any guide BJ will become more stubborn as the criticism mounts.

To me the selection is puzzling in itself but the amount of minutes Burton gets is just mind boggling.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:51 19 Jun 16

Reply #589541

re: Opals tour of Europe

Joyce hates to be proven wrong, will never admit he's wrong , his ego outweighs any form of rational thinking. He has HIS ideas and is not interested in looking at anything else...... That is a total recipie for disaster as far as coaching goes, only have to look at his past track record, though anyone who's been around him while coaching will tell you he will tell you constantly how well he's done, how many Olympics he's been too..... He omits to say as assistant with no say, and his epic fails as head coach with men due to having eyes only for his son on the court

So you can put down any amount of suggested lists, only thing for certain is burton and Lavey WILL be on it, stats mean nothing

Just hope they do well, but then in some way I hope they tank so BA will get rid of Joyce and the women's program can get back on track.


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anon
Last year
12:17 19 Jun 16

Reply #589542

re: Opals tour of Europe

when does the team get picked?


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Luuuc
Last year
13:01 19 Jun 16

Reply #589544

re: Opals tour of Europe

Abby Bishop leaves Storm to chase dream of playing for Australia in 2016 Rio Olympic Games

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/storm/abby-bishop-leaves-storm-to-chase-dream-of-playing-for-australia-in-2016-rio-olympic-games/


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TimeTravelingGoat
Last year
13:57 19 Jun 16

Reply #589547

re: Opals tour of Europe

#589541

I think Lavey has proven she belongs on the international stage.

Joyce was right on that occasion when he plucked her from obscurity a few years ago when she couldn't get off the wnbl bench.

Boti made a lot of good points about Burton. With her age and lack of development I find it hard to see how 20+ minutes a game is justified.

I'd like to see spot minutes for Allen at the 4. She is very light although her length makes it possible for her to hold up defensively as a small stretch 4. Although it looks like she is very much out of favour with Brendan "The Special One" Joyce.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:40 20 Jun 16

Reply #589566

re: Opals tour of Europe

Lavey doesn't belong on the international stage either, but it's not like Phillips and Mitchell are top of the international crop either so that's where we are nowadays.


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Jay
Last year
08:50 20 Jun 16

Reply #589567

re: Opals tour of Europe

Can Lavey guard at the Olympic level?? can she guard Penny Taylor or Erin Phillips as they are the closest Aus equivalent to the US guards


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Anonymous
Last year
09:02 20 Jun 16

Reply #589568

re: Opals tour of Europe

Lavey is fine as long as no one plays defence on her !!!!.

She did deserve more mins in WNBL than what she got at Bendigo, but to me she's still only at development level for the international stage and has a limited game.
And not really sure they need her on this team, but she is better than burton that's for sure

Think what annoys people is Joyce's blatant favouritism that he has for certain players regardless of their ability and also his blatant dislike of others again regardless of their ability, O'Hea is a prime example., a player of her size and ability and experience Joyce won't even consider.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:40 20 Jun 16

Reply #589571

re: Opals tour of Europe

"Can Lavey guard at the Olympic level?? can she guard Penny Taylor or Erin Phillips as they are the closest Aus equivalent to the US guards"

No she can't. Although last game Erin Phillips couldn't guard Penny Taylor during Erin's (very limited) minutes, so Penny might be a tough standard lol.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:08 20 Jun 16

Reply #589625

re: Opals tour of Europe

Why are we even asking whether Lavey could guard Taylor? Bird and Whalen sure can't guard her either. I guess they must be shit point guards.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:40 20 Jun 16

Reply #589633

re: Opals tour of Europe

Who would you pick as the next 3 opals point guards for the opals?

Lavey, Mansfield, madgen, Cole, ebzery, Garrick, Clydesdale, Wallace, wehrung, nakkasoglu etc etc

Even though some are 2 guards...


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Anon
Last year
18:23 20 Jun 16

Reply #589639

re: Opals tour of Europe

What he likes about Burton isn't statable. So there is no point trying to decipher her stats and interpret what he sees. Her game fits his structure and that's why he likes her. It is obviously hard for people who prefer individual brilliance in terms of scoring/rebounding etc to understand. But it looks like everyone will have to get over it and accept it cause he seems to want to pick her.
As someone else asked, who would you put in ahead of her? And the article Boti wrote should definitely be titled "Don't Pick Burton."


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Anonymous
Last year
19:11 20 Jun 16

Reply #589641

re: Opals tour of Europe

Another Donald trump supporter....
Burton shouldn't be anywhere near the opals squad.

Penaluna not being given a chance is a joke.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:20 20 Jun 16

Reply #589642

re: Opals tour of Europe

we should ditch our pfs and go smaller, quicker and stretch the floor.

5'8 Phillips/5'5 Mitchell/5'7 lavey
6'1 Taylor/5'10 ebzery
6'1 Jarry/6'1 Allen
6'2 Talbot/6'2 Blicavs
6'8 Cambage/6'5 batkovic/1 of 6'5 tolo or 6'4 George

No burton, hodges, madgen.


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Anon
Last year
22:04 20 Jun 16

Reply #589659

re: Opals tour of Europe

Not a Trump supporter (at all), and never said she should be in it. I was simply saying he likes her for an obviously mysterious reason (for some), and it isn't for her stats. No amount of Burton bashing is going to change the outcome and quite frankly it's in poor taste.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:22 20 Jun 16

Reply #589660

re: Opals tour of Europe

No ones bashing burton as a person.

She just isn't one of the best basketball players for her position in Australia at this current time.
Imo, about 7-8 players ahead of her.

Batkovic, George, tolo, hodges, griffin, bishop, penaluna, Tomlinson.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:35 20 Jun 16

Reply #589661

re: Opals tour of Europe

No disrespect to penaluna , but she can't stay sound long enough to,play a game, she may be a better player than burton, but she's not reliable enough fior a national side.
But the rest definitely should be ahead of burton.
Not Burtons fault though if Joyce seeing something no other person on the planet does .


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Jay
Last year
00:06 21 Jun 16

Reply #589663

re: Opals tour of Europe

The reason I say penny Taylor is because some may not have seen Maya More, sue Bird, Dianna Tourassi, Lindsey Whalen or Angel McCoughtry play. And they are all at or above Penny's standard as Guards..


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Anonymous
Last year
00:26 21 Jun 16

Reply #589664

re: Opals tour of Europe

I'm more concerned about BA choosing Abby Bishop for the side so they don't have to go another round of media bashing regarding the childcare issue for a player who isn't good enough to play.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:28 21 Jun 16

Reply #589665

re: Opals tour of Europe

Maya Moore and Angel McCoughtry aren't guards, Jay.


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Jay
Last year
21:36 21 Jun 16

Reply #589707

re: Opals tour of Europe

Umm they are in every team they play in except team USA


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Anonymous
Last year
22:11 21 Jun 16

Reply #589708

re: Opals tour of Europe

No they aren't Jay, not even close. They both play forward in the WNBA.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:52 21 Jun 16

Reply #589710

re: Opals tour of Europe

Mccoughtry plays mostly 2 and occasionally 3.
Moore plays mostly 3 spot and rarely 2.


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Jay
Last year
07:52 22 Jun 16

Reply #589716

re: Opals tour of Europe

She is listed as a forward only because Whalen is on the team. Ben Simmons will play the point but he is listed as a foreword also. she is the Lebron of the WNBA. Can play multiple positions which includes playing the point when Whalen is out.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:00 22 Jun 16

Reply #589717

re: Opals tour of Europe

Bec Allen has re-signed on with New York Liberty

http://www.wnba.com/news/new-york-liberty-sign-australian-forward-rebecca-allen/

Does this mean anything for her Opals aspirations and camp participation? Going by the article it sounds like she is playing soon.


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Pointybits
Last year
10:01 22 Jun 16

Reply #589724

re: Opals tour of Europe

Lavey is a Joyce favourite as well as Burton. The WNBL finals was her best chance to impress but her main claim to fame was endless over dribbling and unreliable rushed shooting. Phillips, Mitchell at the point, Taylor, Ebzery covering the 2 spot


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TimeTravelingGoat
Last year
10:08 22 Jun 16

Reply #589725

re: Opals tour of Europe

Bec Allen leaving for the USA and Abby Bishop heading back for camps in Australia at the same time is a little strange.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:06 22 Jun 16

Reply #589732

re: Opals tour of Europe

Ebzery, Talbot and jarry get the nod to go along with Taylor which pushes out Allen.


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Anonymous
Last year
05:56 23 Jun 16

Reply #589776

re: Opals tour of Europe

Rebecca Allen [email protected] 17h 17 hours ago
@gottawearshades @nyliberty no im still part of selection to make the Olympic team for Rio. Will find out in the coming weeks!


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WnblBorat
Last year
12:39 30 Jun 16

Reply #590301

re: Opals tour of Europe

There is a lot of talk about the selections of Joyce and little to none with Lemanis.

There was Ben Simmons being left off the team in 2014 and AJ Ogilvy not being selected in this current squad.

It seems like Joyce loves to 'discover' players and feel like he has something to do with their development. Almost the power to make or break a player. A person with a very healthy ego would thrive in this position of power.

Lemanis seems happy to take ready made name brand players and fit the style of play to their strengths.

If Lemanis took say Lucas Walker and Kyle Adnam to Rio over say Brock Motum and Delly there would questions asked (not a great comparison to taking Burton and Lavey although not too far off).


I think its fine to back a coach to select his own team although perhaps some sort of committee could be looked at in the future, especially when the head coaches last head coaching role involved stuff like this... http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/14692-brendan-joyce-takes-it-to-another-level/



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