Baller#3
Years ago

Is the NBA broken?

The rise of the Super teams is ridiculous! Outside of the top few, no one can even compete with these teams. I guess that is life, the rich get richer, whilst the poor get poorer!

They need to control max salaries. I would like to see them have a limit on contracts over 20 million per year, and raise the middle and bottom level contracts. The big names are going to make a tonne from endorsements etc. anyway!

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LC  
Years ago

An NBL style points system? Oh wait, that got scrapped.

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Bear  
Years ago

I don't necessarily see it as broken!

Exciting, incredible, wealthy, amazing, frustrating, shocking, powerful, athletic, unpredictable and many more words come to mind, but not broken...

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Isaac  
Years ago

Bear, is it really unpredictable if there are strong teams very much favoured to win?

As I said in the other thread: hard cap, no max salaries. That would spread the elite players out a bit.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

"When the new television deal came to be, the NBA knew problems could be on the horizon, and went to the players association to try and negotiate a "smoothing" proposal, to allow the money to more gradually come into the system and avoid any sudden salary cap spikes. The [players] union, however, declined to do so, feeling it was better for the money to simply come in as it was supposed to."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/07/05/kevin-durant-decided-to-join-the-warriors-his-decision-was-five-years-in-the-making/

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Master Debator  
Years ago

Definitely not broken its awesome for the league its actually kept the NBA in the discussion in the USA for a longer period of time despite it almost being NFL season which dominates all news.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

"The rise of the Super teams is ridiculous!"

Baller, with a $110+ mil salary cap next year and @20mil max salaries, one team could sign the best 4 players in the league and still round out a balanced roster - even with a hard cap...

"the rich get richer, whilst the poor get poorer!"

Dellavedova, earned less than $2.5 million in his first three years - a very decent living, even if underwhelming by comparison. The lower-mid-tier player he is just signed a $40mil guaranteed contract under the current rules. Please explain how he, or anyone else for that matter, are poorer.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They might be the super teams now but were they always?

GSW
Cavs
Miami

Come on the super teams were LA, Knicks and Bulls and they are nithing now. Perhaps the Knicks may make a resergence now.

Every era has its dominant teams, it all swings in round abouts.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How is it any different to the super teams in the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s?

The fans are the ones who put all the pressure on players to win rings or they just weren't good enough, and when these players chase rings they get bashed for it, they can't win!

I think it's great, from a basketball perspective watching those players play in that system, I'll sure be watching even if they're not my team.

I'm interested to how good Durant is when he actually plays good team basketball for once and actually has open shots, instead of the issues in OKC with Westbrook and co.

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Baller#3  
Years ago

How are the smaller markets supposed to remain competitive though? Its almost getting to the point, where the salary cap is irrelevant!

If i were commissioner, I would enforce maximum 2 players earning 20+ Million, and then up to 3 players on 15-20 Million.

Thats 85 million already, and would allow more balance in the middle range! I dont like some of the players getting max deals right now

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The money has to be spent though. Thats why so many players are getting max/near max deals. Its better it goes to the players than the owners.

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paul  
Years ago

"An NBL style points system? Oh wait, that got scrapped."

No it didn't LC, it just got renamed so they could pretend to get rid of it.

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Master Debator  
Years ago

Cleveland is not a big market sorry, Either is Miami and they compete just fine. The things is doesn't matter big market small market they are both making 10s of millions every year despite paying the mid tier players the superstarts are worth over 300 milliion easy. So stop complaining and enjoy the show players are still underpaid to what the owners make.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Delly is worth $10m then yes it's broken.

On the other hand, if the league is broken because a team signed it's players to team friendly deals and managed to move players in order to sign a star, then keep it broken. What next, making ring chasing vets illegal?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Broken? Will people still tune in to watch or will everyone but GSW, Spurs and Cleveland suddenly stop watching?
If anything more people will watch GSW especially to
A) See if they can become the greatest offensive team ever assembled
B) Watch them massively fail with different chemistry and controversy with who takes the most shots.
Didn't all of this already get covered when Lebron went to Miami? Sure they got a couple of titles but they hardly became a dynasty because other teams caught up. Unless they do offence for defence every possession teams will take it at Curry and Durant and without Bogut there anchoring the middle they may be scoring a lot but will give up a lot in return.

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Bear  
Years ago

@Isaac, well if you just take this season into account, yes very unpredictable in so many ways I think.

Golden State breaking the regular season win/loss record, Cav's winning after being down 1-3 in the final, Thunder actually losing after being 3-1 up or whatever they were (unbelievable) and I can go on about the unpredictable results and incredible nature of the NBA in context.

Sure, no one wants to see rich teams dominate like the EPL has done over many seasons, but even in England, who would have picked Leicester City??

So, yes, I believe the NBA is unpredictable, in that context...

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Tornado  
Years ago

For me it is.

I've lost interest in it and won't be following it next season and probably beyond.

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Speed44  
Years ago

"How are the smaller markets supposed to remain competitive though?" - Ridiculous question. How have the Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Nets, Mavs and Bulls been doing lately?

Small markets? What? You mean like the perennially so-so up-until-a-few-years-ago Warriors, or Cleveland, Oklahoma City, Portland, Atlanta, Toronto, San Antonio, Charlotte etc etc? All small or in most cases VERY small markets.

^ All playoff teams this season. NYK, LAL, CHI nowhere to be seen. Clippers are a bit of a basket case while we're at it.

Let's not go overboard here. It's not the end of the NBA. In some way or another, this has always been happening. Sure, KD's gone for a quick fix, but there are no guarantees in life, especially sport.

Remember, Curry has a history of being gimpy. KD has had numerous foot problems over the years, always a danger for a 7 footer.

Yes, right now, if a gun was placed to my head, the Warriors have it in the bag. You never know what might happen though.

All that being said, I am for Isaac's Hard Cap, no max salary ideas.

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Speed44  
Years ago

Also on the inflated salaries this Free Agency. Yes, they're perverse (Mozgov - lol), but if the money is there through sponsorship/TV etc, then the players (all of them) deserve a more than fair cut of it. After all, no one buys season tickets, and sponsors don't put in money, and ESPN doesn't buy TV rights to look at Steve Ballmer, Mark Cuban or Mickey Arison on the sidelines.

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VinceBarter  
Years ago

The nba will never be popular with these "super" teams

1980s - Lakers / Celtics

1990s - Pistons / Bulls

2000s - Lakers

Also I can't see anyone watching the EPL or La Liga.

Golden State sucked for a good 15+ years, although good management and some luck allowed them to rise.

The Lakers will be horrible for the next few years at least.

Whatever happens, I'll watch.


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Isaac  
Years ago

@Isaac, well if you just take this season into account, yes very unpredictable in so many ways I think.

Golden State breaking the regular season win/loss record, Cav's winning after being down 1-3 in the final, Thunder actually losing after being 3-1 up or whatever they were (unbelievable) and I can go on about the unpredictable results and incredible nature of the NBA in context.
That's not unpredictable. Those are the top teams matching up. Golden State were the champs. Cleveland were expected to be strong, as were the Thunder and Spurs. All did just fine.

Unpredictable is one team facing another and people not knowing which is likely to win. I'm not making any argument that there haven't been star teams before but that their current framework (caps/etc) must make for miserable times for lowly teams.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Even if I hated Durants move I'd still be watching. Quality of basketball compared to the NBL is night and day

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Master Debator  
Years ago

Calm down Durant basically signed for 1 year with a 1 year player option Curry is up next year as well so something has to give get ready for 30 million for one or both.

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Ricky  
Years ago

New 24 Billion Dollar deal = Not Broken.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They will prevail. The points system would help and unlike the NBL the NBA can afford to police the salary cap.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Salary cap is going up again to either 104 or 114 next season. Plus Warriors will have Stephs Bird rights which means they can go over the cap to resign him if I'm not mistaken. They'll be fine

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Bear  
Years ago

Ummm, so who predicted the Cav's to win it after being 1-3 down?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bear that's why it was broken. It was an obvious fix.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

it is broken*

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AngusH  
Years ago

IMO, existing salaries should scale with the jump in salary cap. That way guys aren't penalised for signing long-term loyalty deal and teams don't "free up cap room" by virtue of the cap expanding.

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Bear  
Years ago

NBA games are often sell-outs
NBA is huge overseas
NBA cares
NBA is amazing
NBA is worth billions
NBA is on TV everywhere
NBA is in the news everywhere
NBA tops and aparel are best sellers
NBA players make a fortune

NBA is broken, yeah right!

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KET  
Years ago


NBA cares
NBA is amazing


You didn't need these irrelevant points given you've got 7 others that made sense

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snooch  
Years ago

I reckon the NBA Cares - ie. humanitarian/community programs etc is a valid point.

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KET  
Years ago

Valid point of what? NBA not being broken?

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Bear  
Years ago

Direct quotes from their ad campaign KET, slightly taking the piss mate! Nonetheless the NBA Cares concept is something that gives back to the community, something they couldn't quite do as well without all those $$$...

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