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Anonymous
Last year

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Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

First game up in the next stage, Opals v Serbia.

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bulldog
Last year
06:54 16 Aug 16

Reply #595206

re: Opals v Serbia

11.30pm in Adelaide tonight. Midnight eastern.


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finals995
Last year
09:17 16 Aug 16

Reply #595217

re: Opals v Serbia

Serbia will be another potential banana skin game for us. With every game I'm trying hard to ignore the conclusion that our sluggish starts are directly related to our starting 5.


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Andy
Last year
10:03 16 Aug 16

Reply #595225

re: Opals v Serbia

^ Same
There will be no excuses for a loss tonight but can think of a few reasons it might happen.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:49 16 Aug 16

Reply #595232

re: Opals v Serbia

If we've learnt to defend the pick and roll, we should get it easily.

If not, we might need luck on our side.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:17 16 Aug 16

Reply #595236

re: Opals v Serbia

^if they havent learnt that by now they never will ....so think they will need quiet a bit of luck


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Luuuc
Last year
11:26 16 Aug 16

Reply #595239

re: Opals v Serbia

Serbia has a pretty talented starting 5 so they're not to be scoffed at - especially considering our own recent form lately.
They put up 84 points against the USA, which means if we trot out our usual defence they should be eying triple digits.

We can't afford any more sluggish starts. Time for the Opals to get serious now, including the coaches.


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_Strungout_
Last year
11:55 16 Aug 16

Reply #595242

re: Opals v Serbia

Pick n Pop with Liz's opponent.

Ignore Burton while she is in the game and double Liz (while clogging the paint).

Slow the game down.

Hopefully the Opals are ready for this as they go through the Euro gauntlet the next 2 games (Serbia/Spain).

#letsgogirls


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Luuuc
Last year
20:27 16 Aug 16

Reply #595386

re: Opals v Serbia

7mate for this one tonight.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:36 16 Aug 16

Reply #595388

re: Opals v Serbia

Thanks for all the advice form the coaches from the stands. Andre will be taking notes.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:39 16 Aug 16

Reply #595389

re: Opals v Serbia

I think we can beat Serbia tonight.
Not so sure we can beat Spain in the semis. Tough ask.

Hopefully they start George over burton.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:45 16 Aug 16

Reply #595390

re: Opals v Serbia

Are you Serbian? You want us to take our dodgy defence and change it so that it would be even worse?


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paul
Last year
20:54 16 Aug 16

Reply #595392

re: Opals v Serbia

One thing that gives me hope is some of our players have been dialling it in on D like they're waiting for the real stuff to start.

When Taylor was switched on defensively against France we looked incredible, and her offence followed from that. Same with Cambage late in close games. If we get those two on the job from tip-off we will be a different team, and that pair will be much harder to guard if we're running off TOs and misses.


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Luuuc
Last year
23:29 16 Aug 16

Reply #595409

re: Opals v Serbia

Opals starting 5 unchanged.
Joyce backing his regulars to get off to a better start.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:34 16 Aug 16

Reply #595410

re: Opals v Serbia

This is the best energy/effort level we've been at all tournament! Go Opals!


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Luuuc
Last year
23:37 16 Aug 16

Reply #595411

re: Opals v Serbia

First foul by Penny was dumb.
Now it bites her on the bum because she has to sit after picking up a questionable 2nd


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Andy
Last year
23:40 16 Aug 16

Reply #595412

re: Opals v Serbia

Cmon Jarry!


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Luuuc
Last year
23:41 16 Aug 16

Reply #595413

re: Opals v Serbia

Phillips hitting jumpers is a nice bonus here


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_Strungout_
Last year
23:42 16 Aug 16

Reply #595414

re: Opals v Serbia

Brendan yells a lot.


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Luuuc
Last year
23:51 16 Aug 16

Reply #595415

re: Opals v Serbia

Another pretty unimpressive start defensively.
Serbs missing a few easy ones kept it to a 'respectable' 20 pts conceded.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:57 16 Aug 16

Reply #595416

re: Opals v Serbia

If we win a medal, I'll be surprised...

not the team we saw in the warm up games.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:57 16 Aug 16

Reply #595417

re: Opals v Serbia

So many whistles this game.


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Luuuc
Last year
23:59 16 Aug 16

Reply #595419

re: Opals v Serbia

There sure are. Which should favour us.


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Andy
Last year
23:59 16 Aug 16

Reply #595420

re: Opals v Serbia

Jarry is so much better than Burton, she actually plays defence, blocks out, rebounds and can score at the other end.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:02 17 Aug 16

Reply #595421

re: Opals v Serbia

Couple of handy threes from Jarry. Doing a nice job as the Penny fill-in


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_Strungout_
Last year
00:04 17 Aug 16

Reply #595422

re: Opals v Serbia

Jarry looks like a skillful basketball player.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:04 17 Aug 16

Reply #595423

re: Opals v Serbia

I can only see 2-3 of these players making it to the next major tournament.
Joyce needs to go, hopefully.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:11 17 Aug 16

Reply #595424

re: Opals v Serbia

We are getting lucky with Serbia missing their easy bunnies.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:13 17 Aug 16

Reply #595425

re: Opals v Serbia

Well, at least we have a lead at half time. Only the 2nd time that's happened, so I guess that's a plus.

That really was another 20 minute serve of mediocrity though.


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Andy
Last year
00:16 17 Aug 16

Reply #595426

re: Opals v Serbia

We started to build a nice little lead until Tolo was taken off.


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paul
Last year
00:17 17 Aug 16

Reply #595427

re: Opals v Serbia

We're keeping them in the game - 13 turnovers in a half!

Aside from multiple self-inflicted wounds (like not hustling for boards and loose balls) we're playing a good brand of basketball, holding them to 33% and running off it.

So sad to see this team play without energy though after that was one of their absolute trademarks two years ago.


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WTF !!
Last year
00:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595428

re: Opals v Serbia

Whats the chances that the serbian coach gets sacked if they lose this game.

So So glad that the serbian Women's team does not run the same passing and movement offences (and as well) as their men.

i watch a series of 4 passes in our "offence" where 4 of our five players just stayed in the same positions ( including one who passed twice) for the entire time, and then we had to settle for a 3 dribble drive and forced 9 and missed) shot.

This is so frustrating, its interesting to listen to LJ and how "politew" she is being with here comments. Praising Tolo and jarry, nothing said about other players.


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Andy
Last year
00:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595429

re: Opals v Serbia

Mitchell needs to control our offence much better in the second half, we are rushing and turning the ball over way too much.
I'm not kidding about this... I regularly see better defensive intensity and cohesion in the WNBL.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:23 17 Aug 16

Reply #595430

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I agree with you, Andy. This is the most un-Opals-like defence I have ever seen.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:24 17 Aug 16

Reply #595431

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Penny Taylor was pretty ineffective when she was in the game. She needs to get her head in for the Opals to put this away.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:27 17 Aug 16

Reply #595432

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Just 6 mins played, so I'm expecting her to step it up this half.


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Andy
Last year
00:28 17 Aug 16

Reply #595434

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Everyone sit back and enjoy the Penny show in the second half!


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Andy
Last year
00:29 17 Aug 16

Reply #595435

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Everyone sit back and enjoy the Penny show in the second half!


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Luuuc
Last year
00:30 17 Aug 16

Reply #595436

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

That's what Liz is doing


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Andy
Last year
00:30 17 Aug 16

Reply #595437

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

That's weird It posted twice! Hope I didn't jinx her, lol.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:36 17 Aug 16

Reply #595438

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Ok, sub made. It's a fair fight now. 5 vs 5.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:36 17 Aug 16

Reply #595439

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

This is a sloppy game from both sides.


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Andy
Last year
00:36 17 Aug 16

Reply #595440

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

OK 5 on 5 again...Lets Go opals.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:38 17 Aug 16

Reply #595441

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Quality drive from Leilani


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_Strungout_
Last year
00:40 17 Aug 16

Reply #595442

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

As good as she plays the Opals are almost better without Liz it seems.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:41 17 Aug 16

Reply #595443

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I don't get this defence.
We're just letting Serbia literally choose whichever mismatch they want.


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Andy
Last year
00:43 17 Aug 16

Reply #595444

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

WTF!


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dani
Last year
00:43 17 Aug 16

Reply #595445

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Why put Talbot in? Just changed the game.
Then slow on the time out.


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Andy
Last year
00:45 17 Aug 16

Reply #595446

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

There is some horse jumping on the other channel.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:46 17 Aug 16

Reply #595447

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

one very lazy side.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:48 17 Aug 16

Reply #595448

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

A mix of our u17 and u19 team would smoke this side.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:52 17 Aug 16

Reply #595449

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

What a steaming pile of slop that was.
21 turnovers in 3 quarters


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Anonymous
Last year
00:52 17 Aug 16

Reply #595450

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Still waiting on Penny Taylor to show up.


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dani
Last year
00:53 17 Aug 16

Reply #595451

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Guards are so struggling
Mitchell with 6 turnovers.

Guards are always left one out to bring the ball up.


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Andy
Last year
00:53 17 Aug 16

Reply #595452

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Cant believe I woke up for this.....


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Andy
Last year
00:55 17 Aug 16

Reply #595453

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I think Penny retired after the last game, she doesn't even want to play defence.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:56 17 Aug 16

Reply #595454

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I want to win but at the same time I want mass changes to happen.
Joyce and co should not be there.


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coffee please
Last year
00:57 17 Aug 16

Reply #595455

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

our guards are picking up their dribble too soon and we are getting caught - need to keep the ball alive


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Andy
Last year
00:58 17 Aug 16

Reply #595456

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Its all on Lizzy's shoulders.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:58 17 Aug 16

Reply #595457

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Hey Jarry - we're the ones wearing yellow


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Andy
Last year
01:01 17 Aug 16

Reply #595458

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Page is out!


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Anonymous
Last year
01:03 17 Aug 16

Reply #595459

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Worst opals team of all time?


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Anonymous
Last year
01:05 17 Aug 16

Reply #595460

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

25 turnovers... Dam!


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Anonymous
Last year
01:07 17 Aug 16

Reply #595461

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Yikes. 25 turnovers is unthinkable. They're still in the game though, only down 1. Come on girls!


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Luuuc
Last year
01:08 17 Aug 16

Reply #595462

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Liz virtually daring the refs to foul her out of this.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:09 17 Aug 16

Reply #595463

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Liz getting us the lead! Let's keep it!


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Andy
Last year
01:10 17 Aug 16

Reply #595464

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I'm just so sad.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:11 17 Aug 16

Reply #595465

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Defence anyone


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twenty four
Last year
01:11 17 Aug 16

Reply #595466

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Solid rim protection from the Opals today.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:11 17 Aug 16

Reply #595467

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Joyce has no clue


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Luuuc
Last year
01:12 17 Aug 16

Reply #595468

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

"Worst opals team of all time?"

Don't know about all time, but possibly since the 80's.
Will know in 61 seconds.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:12 17 Aug 16

Reply #595469

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

No heart in this team. We need a wake up call.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:14 17 Aug 16

Reply #595470

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Hopefully none of the opals do a hope solo.


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Andy
Last year
01:15 17 Aug 16

Reply #595471

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I'm done, Opals are dead to me now. Someone needs to take responsibility for this, its disgusting.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:17 17 Aug 16

Reply #595472

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

This is so disappointing.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:18 17 Aug 16

Reply #595473

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Joyce should never coach again

Why heat persisting with tolo and hodges while Francis sat on the bench after dominating last game is beyond me

Why would you take jarry off when you need to score in the last ten seconds


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coffee please
Last year
01:18 17 Aug 16

Reply #595474

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

ugggggh - we were doing well up by 7 or 8 and in control half way through


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Anonymous
Last year
01:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595475

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I'm glad we lost kinda.
Poorly picked, poorly coached, poorly played.

Well done to Serbia.

We will come back stronger in 2019 and 2020.


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Young Gun
Last year
01:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595476

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Worst Opals team I can remember since 1992


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Luuuc
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595477

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Yes, well played by Serbia. If anything the 2 point margin probably flatters the Opals.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595478

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

No matter your feelings about Joyce, you can't look at the players' faces and say you are glad they lost.

Thanks for the years, Penny Taylor.


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dani
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595479

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

picked the wrong team.
played the wrong players
poorly game coached
out hustled
out played
what effect on basketball funding now?
The Talbot sub was the moment the game turned and then Serbia started to believe.


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coffee please
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595480

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

this is not look like the team that played first quarter at Madison Sq Garden in the warm up game vrs US


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Steve
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595481

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Bye bye Brendan


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Anonymous
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595482

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

What utter garbage. To cough it up 25 times, yeah you kinda get what you deserve. So long Joyce.


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paul
Last year
01:20 17 Aug 16

Reply #595483

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Wow, what a lack of heart. So disappointing. To be -19 in the possession game in a knockout game is just beyond comprehension. The final play summed it all up, just throw it up to Liz!

Serbia wanted it and they got it, we played like millionaires and got what we deserved.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:21 17 Aug 16

Reply #595484

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Getonboard probably still drinking the kool aid somewhere


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Young Gun
Last year
01:22 17 Aug 16

Reply #595485

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

"Poorly picked, poorly coached, poorly played.

Well done to Serbia."

Pretty much sums it up


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Andy
Last year
01:23 17 Aug 16

Reply #595486

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

So much for sleep tonight, so freaking mad and upset there is no way I can sleep now.
If the Olympics haven't been crap enough for Australia this has topped it off nicely.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:23 17 Aug 16

Reply #595487

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

This was always going to happen with Joyce. BA are clowns.

Cambage stfu btw you concert going drama queen.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:24 17 Aug 16

Reply #595488

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Serbia $6 odds. Thank$ Joyce.


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Anon
Last year
01:25 17 Aug 16

Reply #595489

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Batgirl,Ohea,Allen. Thanks Taylor.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:25 17 Aug 16

Reply #595490

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

The only 2 I would keep for next time would be tolo and cambage.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:26 17 Aug 16

Reply #595491

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Oh well I'll trade this any day for a Boomers medal FINALLY.


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Anon
Last year
01:28 17 Aug 16

Reply #595493

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Jarry with the hot hand and he takes her off.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:28 17 Aug 16

Reply #595494

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Players with heart and hustle are the ones we need.

Conti, Shelley, Simmons and Rowe from our u17 side are fantastic examples of this.


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ME
Last year
01:29 17 Aug 16

Reply #595495

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

The Opals got caught drinking their own Koolaid and paid the price. They expected to merrily waltz to the win with a 'she'll be right' attitude, smugly assured they'd take the game when it was too close for comfort with a minute left - no hustle, no desperation, no real effort.

Serbia outplayed Australia in every possible aspect and deserved that win. I certainly hope the boys saw that and re-establish in their minds the need to hustle, but somehow I don't think they have the same level of foolhardy entitlement that the Opals were absolutely reeking of tonight. It was Team USA-esque.

No need to say that Brendan Joyce should be out the door. You can't play games with 3 point deficits like you have a 20 point fucking lead.


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Very Old
Last year
01:30 17 Aug 16

Reply #595496

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Its a sad sad day for the players, both the ones that were in the team, and the ones that were not selected.

I could not see any real effect of a coaching philosophy in this Olympics. No evidence of having a quick hit offensive option designed around possible eventual mismatches, no evidence of fluid defenses tailored to exploit specific opposition weaknesses.

the team that this opals playing style most reminded me of is the USA mens team. neither are showing evidence of a clear direction from their coaches that the team is actually finding useful to run.

So so sad for penny taylor, to come back from an ACL to this. I so hope she has a killer WNBA season left in her to go out on.


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Andy
Last year
01:30 17 Aug 16

Reply #595497

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I cant sleep until someone punches Joyce in the face.


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Andy
Last year
01:30 17 Aug 16

Reply #595498

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

edit: Say no to violence.


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Steve
Last year
01:31 17 Aug 16

Reply #595499

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Point guards who can't distribute the ball well, no help defence, Liz had dumb fouls early and had to sit for long periods, Penny tried to force things too much, coach made strange subs at times, refs put the whistle away at the end (why can't they ref the same at the end as the rest of the game), turnover after turnover ...the list goes on.


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SoJ
Last year
01:32 17 Aug 16

Reply #595500

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

==$0


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Jay
Last year
01:37 17 Aug 16

Reply #595501

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

It was like he wanted to get everyone playing time??? Obviously his selections is what did him in.. Not enough experience on the bench ..not enough defensive flexibility . Not enough good player management.. SMH everyone of you saw this train wreck coming why couldn't anyone that could have stopped it see it. So disappointed..


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ME
Last year
01:38 17 Aug 16

Reply #595502

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Can't blame the refs at all in this. Australia should have won by 20 regardless of what the refs did. The Serbians just wanted it more. That is the difference. Australia expected it, and Serbia was desperate for it.


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coffee please
Last year
01:38 17 Aug 16

Reply #595503

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

this will surely affect our FIBA 2nd ranking


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Very Old
Last year
01:38 17 Aug 16

Reply #595504

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Will be interesting to read Boti's next article.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:39 17 Aug 16

Reply #595505

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

At least Joyce got Talbot onto the floor in a quarter final, surprised he never tried to sub his son in......

Defense was terrible and far too many turnovers, we are lucky that Serbia actually missed a bunch of lay ups themselves !!

Liz was dominant but has to have a real hard look at the way she gets silly fouls and ways to control her emotions better.

She was lucky not to be tech fouled after her last basket when screaming at the ref's.


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Luuuc
Last year
01:42 17 Aug 16

Reply #595507

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Yes I must get my popcorn ready for that one.

With the campaign over, it's time for some hard truths to be spoken again.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:43 17 Aug 16

Reply #595508

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I feel for Penny. She's going to beat herself up over her final Opals performance.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:43 17 Aug 16

Reply #595509

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

im thinking this will be our new starting 5.

5'10 Wehrung
5'11 Wallace
6'2 Blicavs
6'5 Tolo
6'8 Cambage


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_Strungout_
Last year
01:44 17 Aug 16

Reply #595510

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Perhaps a book Joyce could read while he is searching for his next employment opportunity.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Ego-Is-the-Enemy/dp/B01GSISCZW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471363958&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ego+is+the+enemy


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dani
Last year
01:46 17 Aug 16

Reply #595511

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

well apparently from the Oz Swim team the Olympics is all about competing (not winning). So thanks for spending our tax payer dollars on competing.

Worst result since 1990?
Worth Olympic result ever?


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paul
Last year
01:46 17 Aug 16

Reply #595512

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

"I could not see any real effect of a coaching philosophy in this Olympics."

This sums it up. In 2014 there was a clear plan, a clear style, this campaign was just a jumble. Much of tonight's loss is on the players, but that doesn't excuse a poor campaign from Joyce.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:48 17 Aug 16

Reply #595514

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Yep we seem to peak prior to the medals being up for grabs.....

Pb's in the heats, semi's and qualifying rounds but cant get it done when it matters it seems in many areas at Rio.

Odd strategy !!


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Ricey
Last year
01:48 17 Aug 16

Reply #595515

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Is th Cambage countdown now over? Is Twitter gonna explode tonight? Can't wait


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Anonymous
Last year
01:49 17 Aug 16

Reply #595516

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Too much falls on Taylor's shoulders to create when primary offensive sets falter. Mitchell and Phillips are great, but you can't expect players of their height to consistently make shots at this level. Which of course puts a lot of pressure on Cambage and makes our offense very predictable.

But great play by Serbia. A lot of skilled guards and forwards with the ability to put the ball on the floor and force rotations.

Serbia's intensity, hustle and heart also seemed noticeably higher than Australia's, which seemed to be a trend throughout the tournament. The Opals are professionals and went about it in a professional manner, but it appears Joyce was unable to get the absolute best out of this group. They never fully committed or 'bought in' to Joyce's game plan.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:55 17 Aug 16

Reply #595517

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Seebohm in for all 3 women's sides please.


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Just Very Old
Last year
02:00 17 Aug 16

Reply #595520

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Its mostly on the coach I think. The chances of this group ever having a reunion party is as likely as the one the 2000 Boomers Olympic team (never) had.

Both groups will (do) know that they failed to meet the entirely reasonable expectations that were set for (and by) them, and that too much of that failure rested upon decisions that the head coaches made.

its not the worst Opals team per se, but its definitely the biggest gap between what should have happened and what did happen since the 1992 squad under Cadee failed to make it through the qualifying tournament ( which would have given Sandy brondello 5 olympics !!) - BUT which finally opened the coaching door for Tom Maher

hopefully we will get a similar upgrade in the coaching position next time.


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Very Old
Last year
02:10 17 Aug 16

Reply #595525

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

just realised that this means that both Graf and Joyce will have been our only "0ne and Done" olympic 9 and Worlds) women's coaches EVER.

Have to wonder what could have happened if Stirling had remained for 2012, or if she or Maher had returned for 2016.

Not really any similarly successful ( as Stirling and Maher were) Oz based coaches seem to be available in the WNBL, I wonder if Brondello will apply ?


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Anonymous
Last year
02:17 17 Aug 16

Reply #595527

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Sad for the players , Taylor more so than any, have to say all the "told you so" people re Joyce and his inability to coach at this level were absolutely right........... BA should never have appointed this clown to begin with , he is interested in himself and himself alone, you only have to listen to him waffle at camps about himself to under stand he hasn't actually got a clue, especially about defence , which is what this team lacked the most, so now the positive should be this is the end of Joyce , and the future Australian representatives will be chosen on ability not favouritism.

All the money the women's program ( well Joyce actually) got , all the success from before gone because one person wanted his own way and refused to see how wrong he was.

Thanks penny Taylor for all the years of great game, shame it had to end this way


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Anonymous
Last year
02:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595528

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Seebohm or brondello?


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Anonymous
Last year
02:26 17 Aug 16

Reply #595529

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

After watching the Mercury this season, Brondello is not my choice. It seems she struggles with anything less than 4-5 WNBA All-Star caliber players playing at All-Star caliber levels.

Seebohm is my vote, if Seebohm wants it.


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Very Old
Last year
02:31 17 Aug 16

Reply #595530

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

and here it is

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/serbia-opals/

quotes

"The Serbs, ranked No.14 in the world and who only managed to qualify as their pool's fourth seed after getting past China by eight and Senegal by seven, made a mockery of the rankings, smacking a confused and one-dimensional Australia to its worst Olympic result since the Opals failed to qualify for Barcelona in 1992."


"But all that - along with the Opals' world No.2 ranking - came crashing down to a sadly predictable end today, Australia's whopping 26 turnovers a sure sign of the rampant anxiety and on-court tension within a team reduced to just one offensive strategy - " get the ball to Liz".

"Coach Brendan Joyce was out of ideas and imagination, his substitution pattern as erratic as his relentless sideline aggression, the stress showing, as it has all tournament. "

"Joyce's subbing pattern left a nation of bewildered basketball fans scratching their heads, no change more blatantly knee-jerk than throwing rookie Steph Talbot to the wolves with 80 seconds left in the third quarter."

"Not sure if Joyce thought that had broken the Serbs or whether he genuinely overlooked Phillips on his bench but Talbot had a turnover and a foul before he took her back out. Token runs in a quarter-final?"

"Phillips started strongly today, finding her stroke and sticking three early jumpshots, only to be subbed out. It made no sense when a shooter had found her shot."

no mention of Burton, I think that he's basically just embarrassed for her. She actually one of the victims of Joyce's coaching IMHO


Clearly Choco will be sending Boti some Christmas cards this year.


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Anonymous
Last year
02:40 17 Aug 16

Reply #595532

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Check this out.

Burton:
6 games - 95 mins played

Cumulative Total.
6 points
10 rebounds
5 assists
2 steals
0 blocks
5 turnovers
13 fouls
+- of -8

For an average of...
15.8 mins
1 point
1.7 rebounds
0.8 assists
0.3 steals
0 blocks
2.2 fouls






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Anonymous
Last year
02:42 17 Aug 16

Reply #595533

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Joyce, Chizik, cotter
All terrible...


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Anonymous
Last year
02:50 17 Aug 16

Reply #595536

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

That was fairly restrained from Boti. I'm expecting another write up, entirely Joyce-centric, to be honest.


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Very Old
Last year
03:14 17 Aug 16

Reply #595541

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Don't the Opals still have a few (1 or 2) games left to fix positions 4-8 ?

If so he will probably wait until post Olympics to have more of a say.


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Anonymous
Last year
04:19 17 Aug 16

Reply #595543

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

No, Very Old, they are done.


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anon
Last year
04:29 17 Aug 16

Reply #595545

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Spain just about to lose to Turkey - just goes to show the evenness of the competition and the high level of talent out there.


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Anonymous
Last year
04:41 17 Aug 16

Reply #595546

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Spain through.


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anon
Last year
04:56 17 Aug 16

Reply #595547

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

JUST


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Anonymous
Last year
06:55 17 Aug 16

Reply #595548

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Penny Taylor played 22mins with 9 assists , ok only two points but 22 mins even with three fouls that's ridiculous, a player of her experience needed to be out on the floor, and George who whilst may not be the best around can certainly hit the clutch 3 when needed ...and we needed them, played less than a minute.

Joyce must go, so to Hcizik and Cotter, they were poor choices as assistant coaches but good for Joyce as they would be yes men.... Zero I put just how he would want it


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getonboard
Last year
07:16 17 Aug 16

Reply #595550

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

well, be judged on results, Joyce you are done!.

On the game TURNOVERS, TURNOVERS , TURNOVERS, has any team won at this level with 26 turnovers, ~ 20 more than the opposition? How many pts did Serbia score from dumb turnovers? Apart from the poor passing, foot on line for base line throw in is u12s shit.

Re Penny, she had a poor game and didnt play enough mins. Was it poor game = poor game time, or poor game time = poor game? What came 1st?

Dumb fouls also contributed to court time for penny and Liz. The games have been reffed the same all tournament, so why get dumb assed fouls.

That game was poor all round from both players and i admit the coach.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:23 17 Aug 16

Reply #595551

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Needs to be said: Allen, Batgirl & O'Hea would of made a difference.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:56 17 Aug 16

Reply #595553

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Suzy and Jenna certainly would have been the difference, probably needed better backup PG too, all those issues come down to just one thing ........ The coaches choices......... Which in turn comes down to BA choice of coach.

How the hell he ever got the job will remain a mystery


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Anonymous
Last year
08:10 17 Aug 16

Reply #595558

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

So?

You Take out
Lavey
Ebzery
Talbot
Hodges
Burton

And you end up with something like
Mitchell/Mansfield
Taylor/Jarry/Phillips
Ohea/Allen
Batkovic/George/Blicavs
Cambage/Tolo


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Andy
Last year
08:35 17 Aug 16

Reply #595561

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

It hurts so bad I cant even watch the USA v Japan game this morning. Don't think I can watch any more women's basketball for a while.
Must be such a sad feeling amongst the girls this morning....this WAS the Opals time to shine, the last time playing with the superstar Taylor. Cant believe how upset I am, my week is totally ruined.
Only a Gold or Silver by the Boomers will ease the pain a bit.
Wont happen but BA needs to give us Aussie basketball fans an apology, first they kept coach Graf for 2 - 4 years too long and then replace her with someone with less clue (didn't think that would have been possible)


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Anonymous
Last year
08:52 17 Aug 16

Reply #595564

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Someone needs to stop Penny from taking the personal blame for this result.


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Speed44
Last year
09:00 17 Aug 16

Reply #595565

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

I'm with you Andy. Absolutely shattered, barely slept.

You could see the writing on the wall the whole tournament. I was hoping we could eke out results until the Gold medal game though. Full credit to Serbia.


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Very Old
Last year
09:07 17 Aug 16

Reply #595567

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

"Coach Brendan Joyce said he feels particularly sorry for Taylor, 35, playing in her final Games.

"It's disappointing. I feel for Penny Taylor, it’s her last Olympics," he said.

“We were confident we would get through this and get to the medal rounds, so being knocked out is really difficult to swallow.” "

for those Anons wondering how Joyce got there

http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/39643-stackers-thoughts-on-joyces-opals-role/

Stacker recently crediting Joyce with more basketball nous than what was eventually shown in this Olympics


http://www.allstarcoaching.com.au/#!Salute-the-Boomers-and-Opals/cn168/57adc4250cf2ee4302c8677b


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XY
Last year
10:02 17 Aug 16

Reply #595576

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

On the brightest side I can think of, the Opals' pool results should still mean that they will finish 5th for the tournament.

That is also the worst case scenario for the men. That means Australia's overall ranking shouldn't go down.

Ok, I'm stretching.


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Bear
Last year
10:28 17 Aug 16

Reply #595585

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Shattered!


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Luuuc
Last year
10:40 17 Aug 16

Reply #595588

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Ditto
I'm still :(


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Bear
Last year
10:46 17 Aug 16

Reply #595589

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

So many dissapointments at these Olympics, some awesome efforts but our heads didn't seem to be right and this is a huge opportunity missed...

Never mind, it is over for the Opals now, so it is time to rebuild, congratulations to our veterans who will not go on, you have been wonderful for our game and all the best for the future.

Now let's turn to the future and build our next team, that's what is on the table now!


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getonboard
Last year
10:50 17 Aug 16

Reply #595593

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

still #$%^ stunned. I am now overboard. a piss poor performance all round.

Although it was not him that made the 26 turnovers, it was a below par performance from Joyce.


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Numbers
Last year
12:31 17 Aug 16

Reply #595618

Cambage foul/non-foul

Anyone got a video of the non-call when Cambage landed on her back late in Q4?

My gut feel was that the non-call was correct as Cambage seemed to jump into it and exaggerate the contact, but I'm not 100% sure.


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PlaymakerMo
Last year
12:40 17 Aug 16

Reply #595619

re: Cambage foul/non-foul

Non-call was correct (from memory): the defender was stationary and within their cylinder. It just happened to be an awkward fall for Liz as she jumped to the side.


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Luuuc
Last year
12:52 17 Aug 16

Reply #595622

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

Agree. Correct no-call IMO.


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AussiePride
Last year
12:57 17 Aug 16

Reply #595623

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

The no call was correct. In addition Liz should have received a tech for language when she carried on like a pork chop after she got up off the floor.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:13 17 Aug 16

Reply #595627

re: Quarter Finals: Opals vs Serbia

They were horrible they didn't look after the ball at all. All hype no substance this Olympics, Joyce was way to safe either cambage and Taylor's fouls, let the girls play. After that 9 point lead got dwindled to 3 immediate timeout needed to be called. Ciao Brendan.


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Hoopie
Last year
13:37 17 Aug 16

Reply #595628

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

That Serbian female coach certainly got more out of her team than Joyce did.

Hire her QUICK!


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Hoopie
Last year
13:53 17 Aug 16

Reply #595630

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

I like Boti's quote: a team playing to win against a team playing to not lose. Liz deserves to be in the all-tournament team, with Leilani an honourable mention.

I was impressed by the Serbian girls' foot speed in defence and rebounding, and how closely they could guard us. It really upset us and forced us into so many turnovers.

Bye, Penny. You've been great!

I reckon it will be years before we're ranked top 3 again.


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wherearethey
Last year
14:10 17 Aug 16

Reply #595632

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

where do you find the game stats


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Anonymous
Last year
14:55 17 Aug 16

Reply #595642

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Bend over Brendan Joyce as a big bite in the ass is coming your way!

Batkovich, Bishop, O'hea.......

Seriously Basketball Australia need to know take a stand and put a coach in the position who picks the best 12 players that Australia has to offer!

Sad to think Penny's last Olympic tournament was not played with the strongest team or the best rotations!


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Luuuc
Last year
14:59 17 Aug 16

Reply #595643

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

"where do you find the game stats"


Stats for the whole tournament are here
http://www.fiba.com/olympicswomen/2016/all-games

For this game:
http://www.fiba.com/olympicswomen/2016/1608/Australia-Serbia#|tab=boxscore_statistics


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Duke Fan
Last year
15:01 17 Aug 16

Reply #595644

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

"where do you find the game stats"

http://www.fiba.com/ls/#8093&BKW400304


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Luuuc
Last year
18:54 17 Aug 16

Reply #595714

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Opals "average" Boxscore for Rio:




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Anonymous
Last year
19:26 17 Aug 16

Reply #595717

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

So did Burton do anything all tournament besides standing there on court looking lost? Embarrassing stats for a starter.

Still reeling at what a disaster Joyce did with team selection and tactics.

Penny :(


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Anonymous
Last year
19:36 17 Aug 16

Reply #595718

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

We needed to lose so that changes can occur.

I expect Joyce, assistants and most players to move on.

Probably going to drop out of top 3 in the rankings.


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Luuuc
Last year
19:50 17 Aug 16

Reply #595721

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Yep, pretty sure Spain & France both leap-frog us, so we're down to 4th now :/


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Anonymous
Last year
20:06 17 Aug 16

Reply #595724

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

spain, Russia, Italy, Canada and France along with the USA look to have far more promising senior teams in the next few years.

Could be another 8 years before we see ourselves near the top again.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:28 17 Aug 16

Reply #595733

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Good article on Jackson's perspective on what went wrong:

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/zela/article/2016/08/17/it-really-disaster-lauren-jackson-opals-early-exit-rio


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dani
Last year
21:22 17 Aug 16

Reply #595748

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Leilani Mitchell was very ordinary down the stretch.
Last quarter - failed to block out 3 point shooter who airballed and rebounded her own shot.
Last minute failed to rotate across on defence.
Last play couldn't even get a shot off.
These don't even show up on the stats sheet along with 5 turnovers. They are just glaring mistakes from memory, hate to think what else would show up on a review.

Lavey became a non-option after she was doubled teamed and then gave up a layup.

The tournament stats on Talbot showing that she hadn't even scored, show what a such a dumb coaching move it was to sub her into the game.

Burton/Hodges both run around and don't do too much, cant shoot, iffy on layups. Almost playing a whole game with one player who is a defensive liability, and can be cheated off on by the opposition.

There is also a vacuum of leadership types within the playing group.


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Annsley
Last year
22:17 17 Aug 16

Reply #595761

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Knew from the moment Burton was named in the squad that they'd never make it. The whole momentum of the game shifted with Talbot's errors, though I see her being on the court at all as a fault of Joyce's and not hers. Worst coach ever.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:01 17 Aug 16

Reply #595765

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Taylor didn't have enough left in her by crunch time. She's 35 with a recent history of knee, ankle and hip injuries. Joyce needed to actually manage her minutes rather than just talk about doing so. Suiting her up against Japan was a massive mistake. Averaging her over 30 minutes a game in group play after the team secured their spot was foolish.

How a PF rotation of Burton and Hodges ever came to be, I don't even want to know.

To be a fly on the wall watching Bat Girl, Allen, O'hea and Bishop watch that pitiful display of Opals basketball.

Credit Serbia. They did their homework and saw what we all saw. Doubled Taylor on the perimeter, doubled Cambage in the post. Forced someone other than Taylor to try to beat them from the perimeter, and made it as hard as they could on Cambage.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:32 21 Aug 16

Reply #596611

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

Anyone heard from Brendan yet? He has always been very quick with a response to any questioning but he suddenly seems to have become shy.


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Hoopie
Last year
19:49 21 Aug 16

Reply #596629

re: Quarter Final: Opals vs Serbia

So Serbia won the bronze? The Opals lost to a good team which was under-estimated and which over-achieved.


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