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Ricky
Last year

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10 games to look forward to this season.

http://www.aussiehoopla.com/10-exciting-games-201617-nbl-season/

Cast your votes peeps..

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Anonymous
Last year
21:17 30 Aug 16

Reply #597721

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

There's no Kings (Lisch) at Hawks...

It's always a big game, but now it's got added spice.


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Mock
Last year
22:20 30 Aug 16

Reply #597723

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Is this guy allowed to promote his bog on here??

Anyway i did read it and the best game to look forward to is Perth v Brisbane. First game its already good, what more could you want? only THE GREAT BEAL coming up against his old buddies and THE KING OF CLUBS. PERTH WILDCATS are in the house and basketball is back.

It will be interesting match up for sure. Look for Damian Martin to SHUT DOWN adam Gibson all game. Overrated!


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Anonymous
Last year
22:40 30 Aug 16

Reply #597724

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Ahh very good. The REAL Mock is BACK in BUSINESS.

P.S. I didn't even get to cast my vote because my browser flagged that page as a security threat!


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LV
Last year
22:40 30 Aug 16

Reply #597725

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

My biggest games

Utd vs Sydney
- Andersen and Newley.
- Gaze vs Utd
- Possibly the 2 most talented rosters in the comp
- Good ol Melb vs Sydney

Bris vs Perth
- New boys take on the reigning champs
- Lemanis and Gleeson- two multi championship coaches. Coaches together in Rio
- Beal and Jervis Face old teammates. How will Cats fans react? Few Cats are more embedded in Wildcat folklore than Beal, even given their long history

Utd vs NZ
- Jackson and Wesley vs NZ


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koberulz
Last year
23:20 30 Aug 16

Reply #597726

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Few Cats are more embedded in Wildcat folklore than Beal, even given their long history
Are you serious? Off the top of my head: Ellis, Crawford, Bruton, Pinder, Grace, Torrance, Watterson, Vlahov, Fisher, Harvey, Stewart, Rogers, Redhage, Martin, Lisch, Ennis, Dunigan.

As for Cats fans...the game's in Brisbane. At Boondall, which is an extra reason to look forward to it. Hopefully they can fill it.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:46 30 Aug 16

Reply #597727

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

This is a poor article.

He is saying 5 of the ten 'exciting' games are in the first 3 rounds. Then no exciting games in December and only 1 in January.

Yeah OK.


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LV
Last year
23:49 30 Aug 16

Reply #597728

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

As I said- only a few are ahead of Beal. His grand final heroics and clutch games, eg in Wollongong last year, mean he is forever a Wildcat hero.

"The game" is in Brisbane? Are they only meeting once this season?


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koberulz
Last year
00:32 31 Aug 16

Reply #597729

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

He is saying 5 of the ten 'exciting' games are in the first 3 rounds. Then no exciting games in December and only 1 in January.

Yeah OK.
It's probably a fair call at this point. Without any matchup history, it's really about first matchups between teams, or getting to see certain players for the first time. Once things get underway there will be other games that will become exciting.

As I said- only a few are ahead of Beal.
I listed 17 people, significantly more than 'a few'. Of those 17, 14 have stood the test of time in a way Beal hasn't had to yet.

Give it two years and nobody will remember that Illawarra game. It wouldn't crack the top 40 for games in Wildcats history:
vs 36ers, 16/8/85
vs Falcons, 6/6/87
@ Tigers, 6/9/87
@ 36ers, 87 SF G2
@ 36ers, 87 SF G3
@ Giants, 89 SF G2
@ Giants, 90 SF G3
vs Bullets, 90 GF G1
@ Bullets, 90 GF G3
@ Spectres, 91 GF G1
vs Spectres, 91 GF G3
@ Falcons, 14/8/92
@ Magic, 24/4/93
@ Cannons, 10/7/93
vs Giants, 93 EF G2
@ Magic, 2/6/95
vs Tigers, 95 EF G3
@ Giants, 95 GF G2
vs Giants, 95 GF G3
vs Real Madrid, 95 McDonald's Championship
@ 36ers, 4/5/96
vs 36ers, 9/5/97
@ 36ers, 11/7/97
vs Giants, 15/2/98
vs Magic, 3/4/98
vs 36ers, 26/2/00
@ Crocodiles, 00 SF G3
vs Titans, 00 GF G2
vs Titans, 20/1/01
vs Tigers, 24/11/01
vs Hawks, 5/1/02
vs Kings, 8/11/02
vs Razorbacks, 5/11/06
vs Kings, 11/11/06
@ Breakers, 10/12/09
vs Hawks, 10 GF G3
vs Breakers, 12 GF G2
vs Breakers, 6/12/13
vs 36ers, 14 GF G3
vs Kings, 24/10/14
vs United, 10/12/15
vs Breakers, 16 GF G3

I'm sure there are plenty of others that are at least around equal with the Hawks game.

If that's the bar, then you need to add guys like Feaster, Tucker, Lichti, R Brooks, Thompson, Ronaldson (who arguably deserves a place on the first list), Van Dyke, D Brooks, and probably plenty of others to the list.


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LV
Last year
09:17 31 Aug 16

Reply #597735

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

few
fjuː/Submit
determiner, pronoun, & adjective
1.
a small number of.

noun
1.
the minority of people; the elect.

Some would say that, in the context of how many players have played for the Wildcats over the journey, being in the top 10 or 12 would indeed mean that only a few are ahead of him.

Many on your list are very questionable- Harvey, Dunigan? Ennis (who was a superstar but played only one season), Stewart- who did play 6 years but wasn't even in Beal's league as an individual, the same would apply to Watterson and Torrance.


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LV
Last year
09:22 31 Aug 16

Reply #597736

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"Give it two years and nobody will remember that Illawarra game."

Will anybody remember the 2014 championship where Beal won the MVP? What about the 2016 championship?

How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?

Only a few...


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Anonymous
Last year
09:25 31 Aug 16

Reply #597737

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"What about the 2016 championship?"

Did Beal play? I only remember Marto...


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LV
Last year
09:34 31 Aug 16

Reply #597738

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Unlike 2014, Beal didn't star in the actual 2016 grand final.

But who got the Cats there in the first place? Beal was possibly the most significant individual, since he was playing about 35 minutes a game when Martin was out injured! Without him they would've been screwed. Beal actually averaged 32.2 minutes a game through the season.

But oh, of course, Harvey, Stewart, Watterson and a stack of others are more significant figures in Wildcats history!


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Anonymous
Last year
09:38 31 Aug 16

Reply #597739

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

hahahahaha oh come on now! You're trying to make a point about who the most significant player was for the Cats in 2016 and you just state the minutes played?

Not saying I agree with koberulz but minutes played (especially under Gleeson) is not a sign of having an impact.


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Ricky
Last year
09:41 31 Aug 16

Reply #597740

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

By the way, I didn't write the article so I'm not promoting sh#t but comments, I just scour hoops sites at work when I'm bored and thought this would be a good topic / debate.

We need more threads or commenters on this site.

Dazz used to be good for this, but we might have sledged him too much.


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LV
Last year
09:52 31 Aug 16

Reply #597741

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Are you forgetting that the reason Beal was playing so many minutes was because the Wildcats literally didn't have anyone else to play guard?

If Beal had been injured early last season, it would've been season over for the Cats. At the very least, they would've had to rush to find an injury replacement, and almost definitely wouldn't have ended up with home court advantage in the playoffs- Beal was a *huge* part of the reason that they ended up with a winning record at the halfway point.

Given Martin's multiple injuries which meant 10 games missed and some other games where he was returning to the side and wasn't ready for big minutes, Beal became easily the most important player on the team for the first half of the season. (With Prather second).


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LV
Last year
09:57 31 Aug 16

Reply #597742

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"If Beal had been injured early last season, it would've been season over for the Cats."

That should've said *could've* been season over.

Given how bunched up the NBL season is these days, where teams are regularly playing 4 games in 10 or 11 days and things like that, I think it's reasonable to suggest that the Wildcats would have been in a world of hurt had Beal been injured

As it happened, Beal stood up in Martin's absence and the Wildcats went on their merry way towards another title


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Anonymous
Last year
09:58 31 Aug 16

Reply #597743

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"because the Wildcats literally didn't have anyone else to play guard?"

Jarrad Kenny? You didn't watch many games, did you?

And in terms of who was the EASILY the most important in the first half of the season, Jawai and Knight say hello.


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Farrison Hord
Last year
10:02 31 Aug 16

Reply #597744

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"Are you serious? Off the top of my head: Ellis, Crawford, Bruton, Pinder, Grace, Torrance, Watterson, Vlahov, Fisher, Harvey, Stewart, Rogers, Redhage, Martin, Lisch, Ennis, Dunigan."

Your list was great until you mentioned Dunigan. How could you possibly mention him among the greats after what, 10 games?? I wish people would let go of that pleb.

And Harvey barely played enough games in a Cats uniform. His best years were elsewhere.


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LV
Last year
10:05 31 Aug 16

Reply #597745

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I watched a stack of games FYI

As I said- if Beal had gotten injured the Cats wouldn't have even had an NBL level player to replace him except perhaps Hire, who isn't really a guard. The same does apply to Kenny, and Kenny did an admirable job in Martin's absence as well, but he isn't in Beal's class as you would obviously know.

My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team. Jawai was good too, but with Knight and Jervis there, he wasn't needed anything like as much as Beal was. Not even remotely close.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:17 31 Aug 16

Reply #597748

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Sheldon you have way too much time on your hands to list all those games! The whole season will be tight and to be honest. Come round 5 will be blockbuster type games each round as the top 4 is not many to go through to the finals and teams seem so even.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:23 31 Aug 16

Reply #597749

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Awesome how quickly this turned into another stupid cats thread. By the time others have a read, it's too late to even add any comments, it's all just copy and paste heroes throwing how far their memories and knowledge of the cats history goes back in your face.

This season is going to be absolutely left all around. If the teams have recruited as well as it appears, could be another afl scenario where it all comes down to percentage. So expect some classics in the final round.


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Kingpodge
Last year
10:23 31 Aug 16

Reply #597751

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I think we can all agree that Dunigan is the greatest Wildcat ever.

I'm not looking forward to 10 games, i'm legitimately looking forward to every single game. I've already told my wife not to declare me legally dead if she doesn't see me for 6 months....


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Ricky
Last year
10:28 31 Aug 16

Reply #597752

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Yeah, even last season I tried to watch every game I could, even Townsville related. ;)

With the teams this season, it's a no brainer.

Gonna be a good summer of bball action for me.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:32 31 Aug 16

Reply #597753

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

He's gone from being possibly the most significant player, to easily the most important, in the space of five minutes!

In terms of his actual impact (not some what-if scenario) on the team, Beal was not the biggest reason for the Cats getting back to the GF last season.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:33 31 Aug 16

Reply #597755

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"Awesome how quickly this turned into another stupid cats thread. By the time others have a read, it's too late to even add any comments, it's all just copy and paste heroes throwing how far their memories and knowledge of the cats history goes back in your face.

This season is going to be absolutely left all around. If the teams have recruited as well as it appears, could be another afl scenario where it all comes down to percentage. So expect some classics in the final round."

Yet you managed to comment anyway...


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LV
Last year
10:39 31 Aug 16

Reply #597757

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"He's gone from being possibly the most significant player, to easily the most important, in the space of five minutes!

In terms of his actual impact (not some what-if scenario) on the team, Beal was not the biggest reason for the Cats getting back to the GF last season."

Pay closer attention next time. What I said was...

"But who got the Cats there in the first place? Beal was possibly the most significant individual"

Then later I said...

"Beal became easily the most important player on the team for the first half of the season. (With Prather second)."

and then...

"My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team."

Initially I was talking about The season as a whole, and later I was talking purely about the first half of the season when Martin was either out injured, or recovering and working his way back into the rotation.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:42 31 Aug 16

Reply #597758

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Cool, so you admit to shifting the goalposts when you needed to.


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LV
Last year
10:46 31 Aug 16

Reply #597759

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I haven't shifted any goal posts- the comments are entirely consistent with each other.

If you can't see that then you need to return to primary school and work on your reading comprehension skills.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:48 31 Aug 16

Reply #597760

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Take this cats shit to a Facebook page to bicker amongst yourselves... Two commented yet again. Making the point it's getting tiresome.

As for the season I'm starting to get excited. The rio stuff helped a bit and now I can't wait to see guys like David Andersen going at it. And I'm not a united fan. That's the key when you have a league worth supporting when cross town city fans get excited about players and teams they don't usually show interest in.


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LV
Last year
10:49 31 Aug 16

Reply #597761

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

And in terms of Beal's overall importance, my question from before stands:

"How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?

Only a few..."

I said 3 or 4 there specically to avoid any tangental debates, because Beal being in the top 3 or 4 in 2014 and 2016 is pretty much indisputable.

And as I said- a few could mean 10 or 12, given how many players have suited up for the Cats over 30+ years.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:04 31 Aug 16

Reply #597762

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

"As for the season I'm starting to get excited. The rio stuff helped a bit and now I can't wait to see guys like David Andersen going at it. And I'm not a united fan. That's the key when you have a league worth supporting when cross town city fans get excited about players and teams they don't usually show interest in."

Take that to a Mundane Sports Comments facebook page.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:08 31 Aug 16

Reply #597763

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Nah, its more appropriate here. Its not cat spam.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:12 31 Aug 16

Reply #597764

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Cats page is already to full with mundane comments to add more.


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koberulz
Last year
16:11 31 Aug 16

Reply #597811

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Some would say that, in the context of how many players have played for the Wildcats over the journey, being in the top 10 or 12 would indeed mean that only a few are ahead of him.
I listed 17, not 10 or 12, and those are just the ones that would be clearly ahead of him I could think of at the time. I'm not even saying he's directly behind those 17. For example, I've just realised I forgot to list Marcus Timmons.

Many on your list are very questionable- Harvey
Had his breakout years in a Wildcats uniform, made the 30th Anniversary Team.

Ennis (who was a superstar but played only one season)
And was the most popular Wildcat since the Big Four retired.

Stewart- who did play 6 years but wasn't even in Beal's league as an individual
I'm not sure if you're underrating Stewart or overrating Beal.

the same would apply to Watterson and Torrance.
West Aussies who played a decade plus in Wildcats uniforms at the peak of the NBL boom.

How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?
Crawford, Grace, Pinder, Vlahov, Fisher, Martin, Knight. Stewart, Cattalini and Rogers in the next tier down of guys who contributed to one and starred in another.

But oh, of course, Harvey, Stewart, Watterson and a stack of others are more significant figures in Wildcats history!
You didn't say 'significant figures in Wildcats history' the first time, you said 'embedded in Wildcats folklore'.

Your list was great until you mentioned Dunigan. How could you possibly mention him among the greats after what, 10 games?? I wish people would let go of that pleb.
See the above distinction between significance and folklore (and also the hint of my tongue in my cheek).

As for Harvey, he played his 100th early in the 2002/03 season, and finished out the 2003/04 season with the club. Not sure what number he eventually got to, but it wouldn't have been small.

My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team.
Okay, so he was an important player for a small stretch of the season for that ended in a championship, and had a huge grand final series. Again, Marcus Timmons has done that and he at least did both in the same year.

Remember, Beal was utter garbage for a lot of 2014, people wanted him sacked.

I said 3 or 4 there specically to avoid any tangental debates, because Beal being in the top 3 or 4 in 2014 and 2016 is pretty much indisputable.
2014: Ennis, Martin, Knight, Redhage.
2016: Jawai, Knight, Prather, Martin.

Sheldon you have way too much time on your hands to list all those games!
It took approximately five minutes.

Yeah, even last season I tried to watch every game I could, even Townsville related
Townsville were one of the best teams to watch last year.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:23 31 Aug 16

Reply #597815

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Someone has alot of time on their hands


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koberulz
Last year
16:25 31 Aug 16

Reply #597816

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Y'all must type really slow.


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Ricky
Last year
16:26 31 Aug 16

Reply #597817

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Had some good young talent and the crazy finish over Adelaide was classic for sure, along with beating Perth, a couple of rare bright spots for fans that actually did attend games to enjoy.

This year every team has a good roster worth watching.

So many good moments / finishes from last season, we'd expect this one to go up another notch.


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LV
Last year
16:32 31 Aug 16

Reply #597818

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR, There's really not much point continuing the discussion if you think Knight was in the Wildcats top 3 or 4 players for the 2014 season and Martin was in 2016.

They both missed about half the season!


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Anonymous
Last year
16:33 31 Aug 16

Reply #597819

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Koberulz, its just getting awakward man. How much time can one possibly have. Im assuming you dont have much time occupied in the lady department. Check the heading, this is not a Cats thread. Move on.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:36 31 Aug 16

Reply #597820

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR, to get to the point where you're rebutting the terminology of 'signicant figures' and 'folklore' you really need to stop. Everyone knew exactly what the post was referring too. Its like calling you a dickhead or a douche, its the same thing.


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koberulz
Last year
16:37 31 Aug 16

Reply #597821

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

So did Beal, just in a different sense.

You could have him in those spots, sure, but it's not 'indisputable'.


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koberulz
Last year
16:38 31 Aug 16

Reply #597822

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

(Previous post in response to LV)


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koberulz
Last year
16:39 31 Aug 16

Reply #597823

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR, to get to the point where you're rebutting the terminology of 'signicant figures' and 'folklore' you really need to stop. Everyone knew exactly what the post was referring too.
It was in the context of discussing the potential fan reaction to Beal's return to Perth; I think my initial interpretation of it is fair.


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koberulz
Last year
16:42 31 Aug 16

Reply #597825

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Had some good young talent and the crazy finish over Adelaide was classic for sure, along with beating Perth, a couple of rare bright spots for fans that actually did attend games to enjoy.
Beat Perth convincingly in Townsville, had that huge comeback win in Perth, beat Melbourne in Melbourne, that home game against Adelaide, beat Sydney on the buzzer in Sydney, won more games by the halfway mark than they were expected to win all season...

Throw in the exciting style of play and the youth of the group, and they were a compelling prospect. Really disappointed they're not going to have a chance to build on that.


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LV
Last year
16:45 31 Aug 16

Reply #597826

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!

The fact that you even argue those particular points says that you're more interested in mass debating than anything else. Take a step back and chill. No surprise why so many around here think you're a dick


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koberulz
Last year
16:46 31 Aug 16

Reply #597827

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

And regarding the folklore/significant distinction: if we go with significance Dunigan, Watterson, Torrance and possibly Harvey come out. Tucker, Feaster, and Hansen go in. Again, just off the top of my head.

Lichti should probably go on the folklore list as well, if not both.


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LV
Last year
16:48 31 Aug 16

Reply #597828

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I mean, Stewart was just a role player

Beal was huge in 2014 grand final, and was huge in the 2016 season when he was called upon to shoulder the load as Martin was out injured. Hence Beal played pretty much every minute he could possibly handle. Cats fans should be kissing the feet of Beal really for his role on two championship teams, where as Stewart was a relatively minor player


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koberulz
Last year
16:51 31 Aug 16

Reply #597829

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.
It clearly isn't, because I'm disputing it.

If I had as much time as some people think I do, I'd go through those two years and list off the games in which Beal did absolutely nothing worthwhile. I reckon it'd approach the 'games missed through injury' totals for the other two.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!
Seriously? Stewart played six seasons for two championships, starting for all of 2000 and half of 1995, twice tied the club's three-point shooting record, helped cap off an 18-point half-time comeback against Adelaide late in 2000 that took them to the top of the ladder, and was named in the club's 30th Anniversary team.

Beal played three seasons for two championships, both as a starter, once tied and once set the club's three-point shooting record, led a fight-back against Illawarra in Illawarra too early in the season for it to be all that meaningful, and would have a serious case to replace either Stewart or Harvey were the Anniversary team to be named today.


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Ricky
Last year
16:55 31 Aug 16

Reply #597830

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

As award winning as Beal was, as a longtime fan I personally would rate Stewie over Beal.

As history will remember it though, Beal with his GF MVP, Team MVP plus some occasional talk of his 40 points (10 3's) in 3 quarters in a top two clash plus footage online of it on YT, would come out on top.


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LV
Last year
16:55 31 Aug 16

Reply #597831

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR, I'm disputing your ability to have a conversation without resorting to meaningless mass debating.

Therefore, it is not indisputable that you are capable of having a reasonable conversation.

Stewart wasn't in the 30th anniversary team.

It was

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Lisch/Harvey
Grace/Ellis

If that team were named today, Beal would take Harvey's spot.


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koberulz
Last year
16:57 31 Aug 16

Reply #597832

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Wasn't he? I swear I remember some debate about it; must have been people arguing for him to take one of those two spots.

In any event, the other points still stand.


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koberulz
Last year
17:02 31 Aug 16

Reply #597833

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Just gonna leave this here: http://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/recency-bias/


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Anonymous
Last year
17:02 31 Aug 16

Reply #597834

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Thanks shelden you ruined another thread because of your arrogance to always have the last word. You could be such a great inclusive informative forum user but instead you have become spam to many who use this. But as long as your the man in your own world. Go start your own forum somewhere else and leave us lesser folk to discuss things.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:05 31 Aug 16

Reply #597835

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Koberulz with the 'wasn't he?' Can bet my house he googled the shit out of that team before playing vague in response haha


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Ricky
Last year
17:06 31 Aug 16

Reply #597836

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I get goosebumps seeing 4 of the best players in the club played together at the same time, what an era.

I must admit that shooting guard spot has always been a sore spot until Lisch arrived.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:33 31 Aug 16

Reply #597839

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

The only thing in Stewie's favour is longevity. Beal clearly the better player and more influential in winning titles.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:10 31 Aug 16

Reply #597844

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Best advice is to ignore KR.


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paul
Last year
19:19 31 Aug 16

Reply #597849

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I'm with Beal ahead of Stewart, but if you redid the 30 year team Martin should make it ahead of both of them,whichever way you had to massage the positioning to make it work.


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koberulz
Last year
19:23 31 Aug 16

Reply #597851

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Ellis/Lisch
Grace/Martin

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:49 31 Aug 16

Reply #597854

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Lastwordrulzzzzzz.

As for the actual topic, id like to see some old school hype around the now competitve Kings and United. The NBL needs that Victoria NSW hype and grunt about it. Star studded game that will be, whenever it the first one is.


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LV
Last year
20:29 31 Aug 16

Reply #597864

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Anthony Stewart ahead of Lisch and Beal?

KR, it's time to quit smoking that heavy stuff!


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LV
Last year
20:31 31 Aug 16

Reply #597865

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Go easy and maybe reduce to one session a day to start with...


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Anonymous
Last year
21:14 31 Aug 16

Reply #597874

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I quit reading anything with orange attached, but surely he didnt say that? Stewart was a mere bench player who could make the odd big 3, Lisch and Beal, were legit game changing stars who also won rings. Stweart had one hell of a big head though, literally!


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koberulz
Last year
21:29 31 Aug 16

Reply #597875

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

A mere bench player who started four and a half of his five seasons, including the championship team in 2000.

He played almost as many seasons for Perth as Lisch and Beal combined, which is why I'd have him in the discussion in terms of an anniversary team. In terms of overall talent Lisch wins that contest hands down.


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koberulz
Last year
21:30 31 Aug 16

Reply #597876

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Sorry, that should be started four and a half of his six seasons.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:06 31 Aug 16

Reply #597885

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I dont care how many seasons he was there, or if he started some games etc he was a role player, a minor role player. I dont care for Perth, but to put him in over Lisch would be the complete undoing of you based on he should be there because he hung around. Didnt Dewey Michaels play mutlipe seasons and win a title too... your points as to why he should be included are weak.


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koberulz
Last year
00:37 1 Sep 16

Reply #597886

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

I dont care how many seasons he was there, or if he started some games etc he was a role player, a minor role player.
If he started, he wasn't a bench player. That's the definition.

I'd also say no starters are 'minor' role players, even if they are role players. And then there's the question of how exactly you define 'role player' - "star" is a role after all. Vlahov was a role player. Vukona is a role player.

Didnt Dewey Michaels play mutlipe seasons and win a title too.
He played three. Less than Lisch, same as Beal. He played zero minutes in the 2000 grand final, and not much more than that throughout the regular season. You're being ridiculous.

Here's a Wildcats anniversary team you might like more:
Rogers/Crawford
Fisher/Ronaldson
Redhage/Feaster
Ennis/Lisch
Grace/Martin

But most people would laugh you out of the room.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:31 1 Sep 16

Reply #597888

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

You calling anyone on this forum rediculous is well a 'laughed out of the room' statement. Look at how deep into this thread you have gone to debate a cats anniversary team and that scrub Anthony Stewart. All over definitions and minute descriptions. A role player can start some games and also be a starter in some and the outside world will see him potentially as a guy who started the majority of his career or was a bench player. I never remembered Stewart as being a key starter always thought he was a bench guy who filled in gaps. But you clearly 'need this' so the debate cookies go to you. If only you had a single soul who could bare being in the same room as you long enough, you too could be laughed out of it. Enjoy, you win, you always do.

Ps you've offended Dewey now


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koberulz
Last year
15:53 1 Sep 16

Reply #597934

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

A role player can start some games and also be a starter in some and the outside world will see him potentially as a guy who started the majority of his career or was a bench player.
Truly Trumpesque. Lots of words, seems like it must mean something...actually doesn't.

I never remembered Stewart as being a key starter always thought he was a bench guy who filled in gaps.
Are we seriously having an argument about whether he started or not? It's not a matter of opinion, it's an actual verifiable fact. Are you Dazz?


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Anonymous
Last year
16:14 1 Sep 16

Reply #597943

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

How can one poster be so offended at someone's opinion of Anthony Stewart not being a massively positive one. Shelden shelden shelden...


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LV
Last year
16:16 1 Sep 16

Reply #597944

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Kobe you're such a literalist lol

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...


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Anonymous
Last year
16:21 1 Sep 16

Reply #597945

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

That's exactly the point LV, he is so crazy with literal power. It's not up for discussion with them but with stewie you'd need to google etc unless you're a die hard cats fan.


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koberulz
Last year
17:21 1 Sep 16

Reply #597950

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...
Perhaps, but you could also possibly say that of a guy like Warrick Giddey. I mean, anon here called Stewart a 'scrub', which is clearly untrue regardless of what you think of his comparison with Beal, Lisch, and Harvey.

I've gone back over the OzHoops discussion of the 30th Anniversary team and quite a few people had him in over Harvey, which is obviously where I got the idea he'd been picked.

Regardless of that, it just doesn't feel right to have guys whose Wildcats careers were so short in an anniversary team. Lisch has gone on to an MVP elsewhere already and has a long career ahead of him outside of Perth. Beal was only around for three years.

On pure talent, yes, Lisch is miles ahead.


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Freethrows
Last year
17:35 1 Sep 16

Reply #597955

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

What's with the KR bashing, everyone? Back off. This is not a site for having a go at a fellow basketball enthusiast, it's a site for basketball enthusiasts to have interesting discussions.

Nothing KR has said is ridiculous, and many of the posts decrying what he's said either are ridiculous, or don't carry much weight. Have a dispassionate read through the posts on this thread and you would have to agree with me, I think. There are reasons behind everything he's said, and he's backed himself up with facts.

All you Anons who want to post rubbish about other people, at least have the guts to define yourself by getting a name on this forum, please.


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koberulz
Last year
17:39 1 Sep 16

Reply #597956

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

he's backed himself up with facts.
Well, except for the Stewart-on-the-anniversary-team thing.


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Ricky
Last year
17:45 1 Sep 16

Reply #597958

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Stewie was the real MVP of 95 GF.. that shot he made from the top of the key late in Game 3 had everyone up..


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LV
Last year
18:21 1 Sep 16

Reply #597968

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Was Anthony Stewart a better basketball player than Nate Tomlinson?

Tomlinson led the league in assists one year. That's arguably a greater individual accomplishment than anything Stewart did.


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Zodiac
Last year
18:50 1 Sep 16

Reply #597976

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Yes, Stewart was most certainly better than Tomlinson.


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LV
Last year
18:56 1 Sep 16

Reply #597977

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

It's not indisputable to say that Stewart was a better player though.

It's not indisputable because I'm disputing it!


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Luuuc
Last year
18:56 1 Sep 16

Reply #597978

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Stewie vs Beal is an argument of longevity vs quality and those tend to have a grey area of personal preference.

I'll back Stewie in as a better player than Nate though, even though he wasn't the type to lead the league in things (he did finish top 5 in the league in 3P% a couple of times). A more complete player IMO.
(Give me Harvey over Stewie though. Peter Crawford too)


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Benno
Last year
18:58 1 Sep 16

Reply #597980

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

10 games? How about everygame!


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Anonymous
Last year
19:37 1 Sep 16

Reply #597990

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR brings it on himself, he disagrees with everything anyone says and won't stop till the the rest have lost interest. Every single thread he gets involved in he ruins his clear knowledge and long memory of NBL stuff with arrogant denouncing of every single point. It is tiresome.


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koberulz
Last year
19:49 1 Sep 16

Reply #597991

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR brings it on himself, he disagrees with everything anyone says
I do not.


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_Strungout_
Last year
20:23 1 Sep 16

Reply #597993

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Perth won the championship last year.

Cairns beat Perth tonight.

NBL maths;

I don't want to go with the early crow although the championship will be heading north this season.




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Anonymous
Last year
20:29 1 Sep 16

Reply #597994

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Yes, you do. Notice not many others have to 'defend' themselves as much you. You just need to relax on the literal stuff it's a forum for some fun and intellectual chit chat about basketball that most of us can't have with our wives. You don't need to turn it into an antagonistic thing every time. People in general don't like having their words picked on for no real reason. Look at the one common denominator...


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koberulz
Last year
20:33 1 Sep 16

Reply #597995

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Yes, you do.
Anyone hear a faint whistling noise?


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fstos
Last year
20:33 1 Sep 16

Reply #597996

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Do the Beal lovers only remember his good games.

Gets lucky every now and then and particularly lucky that it happened in a GF series.

He is a legend in fantasy ball of course. Piss poor performances are now referred to as Bealin'

Chucker.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:06 1 Sep 16

Reply #597998

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

You know what else is tiresome? Attacking koberulz for explaining how he arrives at his opinions. You don't have too agree with him but he is attempting to explain himself, which is much better than "hahaha you just copy and pasted something OMG this is boring."


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LV
Last year
21:44 1 Sep 16

Reply #598001

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

My above posts were pure tongue in cheek.

Stewart was a better player than Nate Tomlinson.

But it's not as ridiculous a proposition as suggesting that Anthony Stewart make the anniversary team ahead of Kevin Lisch, who led him team to the title with a grand final MVP, won an NBL MVP and first team gig. And won the Wildcats season MVP 3 times in his 4 years with Perth.


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koberulz
Last year
21:47 1 Sep 16

Reply #598003

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

How clear do I have to make it that the argument for Lisch over Stewart is one of longevity, not talent, abilities or achievements? And if we look back at what I actually said to start this tangent:

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.


Almost.


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koberulz
Last year
21:47 1 Sep 16

Reply #598004

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

^That should be 'argument for Stewart over Lisch'.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:55 1 Sep 16

Reply #598005

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Hoops.com.au Threads to look forward to this season-
* All the Wildcats game threads
* 100+ other threads that somehow end up becoming Wildcats threads


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Anonymous
Last year
21:59 1 Sep 16

Reply #598007

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Longevity doesn't count for anything these days. Money talks and players walk... Sadly the one club players are nearly a thing of the past. If I was picking teams it's be based on dominance individually and titles won etc it's nice when guys hang around but longevity doesn't mean much in that discussion.


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LV
Last year
22:02 1 Sep 16

Reply #598008

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

KR quit the semantics. Even raising that as a possibility is ridiculous. Floating the idea as an "almost" is absurd.

Saying that Stewart could have even a chance of getting in ahead of Lisch makes as much sense as saying Hoare could get into a Tigers team ahead of Anstey or Corletto could get in ahead of Dave Thomas.


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LV
Last year
22:04 1 Sep 16

Reply #598009

re: 10 games to look forward to this season.

Because the whole suggestion is based upon the fact that Stewart played 6 seasons and Lisch played 4.


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