Is this guy allowed to promote his bog on here??

Anyway i did read it and the best game to look forward to is Perth v Brisbane. First game its already good, what more could you want? only THE GREAT BEAL coming up against his old buddies and THE KING OF CLUBS. PERTH WILDCATS are in the house and basketball is back.

It will be interesting match up for sure. Look for Damian Martin to SHUT DOWN adam Gibson all game. Overrated!

My biggest games

Utd vs Sydney
- Andersen and Newley.
- Gaze vs Utd
- Possibly the 2 most talented rosters in the comp
- Good ol Melb vs Sydney

Bris vs Perth
- New boys take on the reigning champs
- Lemanis and Gleeson- two multi championship coaches. Coaches together in Rio
- Beal and Jervis Face old teammates. How will Cats fans react? Few Cats are more embedded in Wildcat folklore than Beal, even given their long history

Utd vs NZ
- Jackson and Wesley vs NZ

Few Cats are more embedded in Wildcat folklore than Beal, even given their long history

As I said- only a few are ahead of Beal. His grand final heroics and clutch games, eg in Wollongong last year, mean he is forever a Wildcat hero.

"The game" is in Brisbane? Are they only meeting once this season?

He is saying 5 of the ten 'exciting' games are in the first 3 rounds. Then no exciting games in December and only 1 in January.

Yeah OK.

As I said- only a few are ahead of Beal.

few
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a small number of.

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the minority of people; the elect.

Some would say that, in the context of how many players have played for the Wildcats over the journey, being in the top 10 or 12 would indeed mean that only a few are ahead of him.

Many on your list are very questionable- Harvey, Dunigan? Ennis (who was a superstar but played only one season), Stewart- who did play 6 years but wasn't even in Beal's league as an individual, the same would apply to Watterson and Torrance.

"Give it two years and nobody will remember that Illawarra game."

Will anybody remember the 2014 championship where Beal won the MVP? What about the 2016 championship?

How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?

Only a few...

Unlike 2014, Beal didn't star in the actual 2016 grand final.

But who got the Cats there in the first place? Beal was possibly the most significant individual, since he was playing about 35 minutes a game when Martin was out injured! Without him they would've been screwed. Beal actually averaged 32.2 minutes a game through the season.

But oh, of course, Harvey, Stewart, Watterson and a stack of others are more significant figures in Wildcats history!

By the way, I didn't write the article so I'm not promoting sh#t but comments, I just scour hoops sites at work when I'm bored and thought this would be a good topic / debate.

We need more threads or commenters on this site.

Dazz used to be good for this, but we might have sledged him too much.

Are you forgetting that the reason Beal was playing so many minutes was because the Wildcats literally didn't have anyone else to play guard?

If Beal had been injured early last season, it would've been season over for the Cats. At the very least, they would've had to rush to find an injury replacement, and almost definitely wouldn't have ended up with home court advantage in the playoffs- Beal was a *huge* part of the reason that they ended up with a winning record at the halfway point.

Given Martin's multiple injuries which meant 10 games missed and some other games where he was returning to the side and wasn't ready for big minutes, Beal became easily the most important player on the team for the first half of the season. (With Prather second).

"If Beal had been injured early last season, it would've been season over for the Cats."

That should've said *could've* been season over.

Given how bunched up the NBL season is these days, where teams are regularly playing 4 games in 10 or 11 days and things like that, I think it's reasonable to suggest that the Wildcats would have been in a world of hurt had Beal been injured

As it happened, Beal stood up in Martin's absence and the Wildcats went on their merry way towards another title

"Are you serious? Off the top of my head: Ellis, Crawford, Bruton, Pinder, Grace, Torrance, Watterson, Vlahov, Fisher, Harvey, Stewart, Rogers, Redhage, Martin, Lisch, Ennis, Dunigan."

Your list was great until you mentioned Dunigan. How could you possibly mention him among the greats after what, 10 games?? I wish people would let go of that pleb.

And Harvey barely played enough games in a Cats uniform. His best years were elsewhere.

I watched a stack of games FYI

As I said- if Beal had gotten injured the Cats wouldn't have even had an NBL level player to replace him except perhaps Hire, who isn't really a guard. The same does apply to Kenny, and Kenny did an admirable job in Martin's absence as well, but he isn't in Beal's class as you would obviously know.

My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team. Jawai was good too, but with Knight and Jervis there, he wasn't needed anything like as much as Beal was. Not even remotely close.

I think we can all agree that Dunigan is the greatest Wildcat ever.

I'm not looking forward to 10 games, i'm legitimately looking forward to every single game. I've already told my wife not to declare me legally dead if she doesn't see me for 6 months....

Yeah, even last season I tried to watch every game I could, even Townsville related. ;)

With the teams this season, it's a no brainer.

Gonna be a good summer of bball action for me.

"He's gone from being possibly the most significant player, to easily the most important, in the space of five minutes!

In terms of his actual impact (not some what-if scenario) on the team, Beal was not the biggest reason for the Cats getting back to the GF last season."

Pay closer attention next time. What I said was...

"But who got the Cats there in the first place? Beal was possibly the most significant individual"

Then later I said...

"Beal became easily the most important player on the team for the first half of the season. (With Prather second)."

and then...

"My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team."

Initially I was talking about The season as a whole, and later I was talking purely about the first half of the season when Martin was either out injured, or recovering and working his way back into the rotation.

I haven't shifted any goal posts- the comments are entirely consistent with each other.

If you can't see that then you need to return to primary school and work on your reading comprehension skills.

And in terms of Beal's overall importance, my question from before stands:

"How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?

Only a few..."

I said 3 or 4 there specically to avoid any tangental debates, because Beal being in the top 3 or 4 in 2014 and 2016 is pretty much indisputable.

And as I said- a few could mean 10 or 12, given how many players have suited up for the Cats over 30+ years.

Some would say that, in the context of how many players have played for the Wildcats over the journey, being in the top 10 or 12 would indeed mean that only a few are ahead of him.

Many on your list are very questionable- Harvey

Ennis (who was a superstar but played only one season)

Stewart- who did play 6 years but wasn't even in Beal's league as an individual

the same would apply to Watterson and Torrance.

How many players have been a key player (top 3 or 4 players on the team) in multiple championship seasons for the Wildcats?

But oh, of course, Harvey, Stewart, Watterson and a stack of others are more significant figures in Wildcats history!

Your list was great until you mentioned Dunigan. How could you possibly mention him among the greats after what, 10 games?? I wish people would let go of that pleb.

My point is that with Martin out injured for extended periods with multiple injuries, Beal was the most important player on the team.

I said 3 or 4 there specically to avoid any tangental debates, because Beal being in the top 3 or 4 in 2014 and 2016 is pretty much indisputable.

Sheldon you have way too much time on your hands to list all those games!

Yeah, even last season I tried to watch every game I could, even Townsville related

Y'all must type really slow.

Had some good young talent and the crazy finish over Adelaide was classic for sure, along with beating Perth, a couple of rare bright spots for fans that actually did attend games to enjoy.

This year every team has a good roster worth watching.

So many good moments / finishes from last season, we'd expect this one to go up another notch.

KR, There's really not much point continuing the discussion if you think Knight was in the Wildcats top 3 or 4 players for the 2014 season and Martin was in 2016.

They both missed about half the season!

So did Beal, just in a different sense.

You could have him in those spots, sure, but it's not 'indisputable'.

(Previous post in response to LV)

KR, to get to the point where you're rebutting the terminology of 'signicant figures' and 'folklore' you really need to stop. Everyone knew exactly what the post was referring too.

Had some good young talent and the crazy finish over Adelaide was classic for sure, along with beating Perth, a couple of rare bright spots for fans that actually did attend games to enjoy.

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!

The fact that you even argue those particular points says that you're more interested in mass debating than anything else. Take a step back and chill. No surprise why so many around here think you're a dick

And regarding the folklore/significant distinction: if we go with significance Dunigan, Watterson, Torrance and possibly Harvey come out. Tucker, Feaster, and Hansen go in. Again, just off the top of my head.

Lichti should probably go on the folklore list as well, if not both.

I mean, Stewart was just a role player

Beal was huge in 2014 grand final, and was huge in the 2016 season when he was called upon to shoulder the load as Martin was out injured. Hence Beal played pretty much every minute he could possibly handle. Cats fans should be kissing the feet of Beal really for his role on two championship teams, where as Stewart was a relatively minor player

It is indisputable that Beal was ahead of Knight in 2014 and ahead of Martin in 2016 terms of being a top player for the Wildcats.

It's also indisputable that Beal has a greater place in Wildcats history and folklore than Anthony Stewart!

As award winning as Beal was, as a longtime fan I personally would rate Stewie over Beal.

As history will remember it though, Beal with his GF MVP, Team MVP plus some occasional talk of his 40 points (10 3's) in 3 quarters in a top two clash plus footage online of it on YT, would come out on top.

KR, I'm disputing your ability to have a conversation without resorting to meaningless mass debating.

Therefore, it is not indisputable that you are capable of having a reasonable conversation.

Stewart wasn't in the 30th anniversary team.

It was

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Lisch/Harvey
Grace/Ellis

If that team were named today, Beal would take Harvey's spot.

Wasn't he? I swear I remember some debate about it; must have been people arguing for him to take one of those two spots.

In any event, the other points still stand.

Just gonna leave this here: http://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/recency-bias/

I get goosebumps seeing 4 of the best players in the club played together at the same time, what an era.

I must admit that shooting guard spot has always been a sore spot until Lisch arrived.

I'm with Beal ahead of Stewart, but if you redid the 30 year team Martin should make it ahead of both of them,whichever way you had to massage the positioning to make it work.

Crawford/Rogers
Fisher/Pinder
Vlahov/Redhage
Ellis/Lisch
Grace/Martin

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.

Anthony Stewart ahead of Lisch and Beal?

KR, it's time to quit smoking that heavy stuff!

Go easy and maybe reduce to one session a day to start with...

A mere bench player who started four and a half of his five seasons, including the championship team in 2000.

He played almost as many seasons for Perth as Lisch and Beal combined, which is why I'd have him in the discussion in terms of an anniversary team. In terms of overall talent Lisch wins that contest hands down.

Sorry, that should be started four and a half of his six seasons.

I dont care how many seasons he was there, or if he started some games etc he was a role player, a minor role player.

Didnt Dewey Michaels play mutlipe seasons and win a title too.

A role player can start some games and also be a starter in some and the outside world will see him potentially as a guy who started the majority of his career or was a bench player.

I never remembered Stewart as being a key starter always thought he was a bench guy who filled in gaps.

Kobe you're such a literalist lol

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...

Can't you see that perception matters here, KR?

Ie: No one will be saying in 10 years time that they aren't sure or can't quite remember whether Lisch or Beal were starters or not...

What's with the KR bashing, everyone? Back off. This is not a site for having a go at a fellow basketball enthusiast, it's a site for basketball enthusiasts to have interesting discussions.

Nothing KR has said is ridiculous, and many of the posts decrying what he's said either are ridiculous, or don't carry much weight. Have a dispassionate read through the posts on this thread and you would have to agree with me, I think. There are reasons behind everything he's said, and he's backed himself up with facts.

All you Anons who want to post rubbish about other people, at least have the guts to define yourself by getting a name on this forum, please.

he's backed himself up with facts.

Stewie was the real MVP of 95 GF.. that shot he made from the top of the key late in Game 3 had everyone up..

Was Anthony Stewart a better basketball player than Nate Tomlinson?

Tomlinson led the league in assists one year. That's arguably a greater individual accomplishment than anything Stewart did.

Yes, Stewart was most certainly better than Tomlinson.

It's not indisputable to say that Stewart was a better player though.

It's not indisputable because I'm disputing it!

Stewie vs Beal is an argument of longevity vs quality and those tend to have a grey area of personal preference.

I'll back Stewie in as a better player than Nate though, even though he wasn't the type to lead the league in things (he did finish top 5 in the league in 3P% a couple of times). A more complete player IMO.
(Give me Harvey over Stewie though. Peter Crawford too)

10 games? How about everygame!

KR brings it on himself, he disagrees with everything anyone says

Perth won the championship last year.

Cairns beat Perth tonight.

NBL maths;

I don't want to go with the early crow although the championship will be heading north this season.

Yes, you do.

Do the Beal lovers only remember his good games.

Gets lucky every now and then and particularly lucky that it happened in a GF series.

He is a legend in fantasy ball of course. Piss poor performances are now referred to as Bealin'

Chucker.

My above posts were pure tongue in cheek.

Stewart was a better player than Nate Tomlinson.

But it's not as ridiculous a proposition as suggesting that Anthony Stewart make the anniversary team ahead of Kevin Lisch, who led him team to the title with a grand final MVP, won an NBL MVP and first team gig. And won the Wildcats season MVP 3 times in his 4 years with Perth.

How clear do I have to make it that the argument for Lisch over Stewart is one of longevity, not talent, abilities or achievements? And if we look back at what I actually said to start this tangent:

Not really sure about Lisch either, TBH. At the time he was still active and showed no sign of leaving, so it seemed a good pick, but he doesn't really have the longevity to fit in with that roster anymore. You could almost have Stewart in that spot.

^That should be 'argument for Stewart over Lisch'.

KR quit the semantics. Even raising that as a possibility is ridiculous. Floating the idea as an "almost" is absurd.

Saying that Stewart could have even a chance of getting in ahead of Lisch makes as much sense as saying Hoare could get into a Tigers team ahead of Anstey or Corletto could get in ahead of Dave Thomas.

Because the whole suggestion is based upon the fact that Stewart played 6 seasons and Lisch played 4.