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Dazz
Last year

#40047

Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

For those that missed it,
Perth, trailing by a point, eventually succeeded in fouling (on Worthington) and sent him to the line with 2.8 seconds on the clock.

So what do you do?

Obviously, you nail the first.

So, up by 2, 2.8 seconds on the clock, one shot remaining...

What's the smart play?

If you rim it, when does the clock restart?

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Green 53
Last year
22:23 11 Oct 16

Reply #601565

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Miss it for sure. With egwu on the court he was always going to contest the rebound and take time off the clock.


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Mantis
Last year
22:25 11 Oct 16

Reply #601566

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

The clock restarts when a player touches the ball.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:38 11 Oct 16

Reply #601568

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Shot clock starts when it hits the iron IMO


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koberulz
Last year
22:52 11 Oct 16

Reply #601569

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

It's not actually a matter of opinion, there's an actual rulebook. And you're wrong.


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Luuuc
Last year
23:03 11 Oct 16

Reply #601570

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Actual answer: the clock starts at a random time, and also the buzzer to end the quarter sounds when there's a random amount of time left on the clock
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Mock
Last year
23:28 11 Oct 16

Reply #601572

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Why not loop it up REAL HIGH and then by the time it comes down the game has expired?


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Anonymous
Last year
23:45 11 Oct 16

Reply #601574

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Probably because the height of the free throw makes no difference to how much clock is used up, since the clock doesn't actually start until someone touches the ball


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Anonymous
Last year
00:13 12 Oct 16

Reply #601575

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Height of the free throw makes no difference, unless you end up doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1u4Br6Ttuk


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Anonymous
Last year
00:38 12 Oct 16

Reply #601576

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

The Wildcats had a timeout left. So if you miss the free throw and they rebound it, then they can set up an inbounds play just like they did and instead the 3 means they win it in regulation instead of sending it to OT. At the end of the day Johnson's shot was catch-and-shoot so 2.8 was more than enough, in fact there was still 0.8 left after the ball went in.

Rebounding a missed free throw might've taken a second off the clock so the Cats would've still had more than 1.5 seconds for a catch and shoot.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:46 12 Oct 16

Reply #601577

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Can you call a TO from a live ball?


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koberulz
Last year
00:58 12 Oct 16

Reply #601578

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

No.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:12 12 Oct 16

Reply #601585

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

You try to make the free throws and go into it up 3. Can't lose from there and can spend all your energy depending the 3point line so it's hard to get a good shot up


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Hendo8888
Last year
09:09 12 Oct 16

Reply #601587

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Yeah, I'd be more inclined to make them try put up a prayer to tie it, rather than to win it.


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Brunson
Last year
12:09 12 Oct 16

Reply #601600

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

One thing Goorjian would instruct is to make both foul shots and then foul on the dribble. That way the clock would have gone down a bit and there is no way they can win it from the line. He would then trust they would rebound the ball or make a contest of it eating up the clock.


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paul
Last year
12:55 12 Oct 16

Reply #601605

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

There was no dribble on this occasion, just catch and shoot.


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stat
Last year
15:30 12 Oct 16

Reply #601624

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

make the shot and take your chance on the 3pt catch and shoot


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koberulz
Last year
16:00 12 Oct 16

Reply #601627

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Yeah, I'd be more inclined to make them try put up a prayer to tie it, rather than to win it.
The choice isn't between a prayer to tie and a prayer to win, the choice is between a good shot to tie and a prayer to win.

2.8 is too late to foul.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:35 12 Oct 16

Reply #601645

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Gee whiz if you cant call timeout off a rebound then you're probably better off missing the second. Don't think I've seen anyone rebound then chuck a hail Mary ever. Even on Cedric Jackson's famous half court game winter there were able to inbound from the baseline as opposed to reacting off a rebound


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Dazz
Last year
21:18 12 Oct 16

Reply #601649

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Ok, so what did happen:
Worthington made the 2nd, Cats called TO. Inbounded, JJ drained the 3, and they creamed the resulting overtime. The advantage on the inbound, is that you have 5(?) seconds, so you can wait for the target to get in position. If you watch JJ, he actually ran in a circle to get himself open.

Right decision?

Back in the good ole days, a player could call a TO, but not now.
So even if Perth snatched the board, its going to be a Hail Mary.

The other strategy would be to rim it, and if you miss the board immediately foul?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:51 12 Oct 16

Reply #601653

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

So why did you pose the question to answer your own question?


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koberulz
Last year
21:59 12 Oct 16

Reply #601655

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

The other strategy would be to rim it, and if you miss the board immediately foul?
You mean foul while up two? That would easily be the worst possible outcome.


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Dazz
Last year
22:20 12 Oct 16

Reply #601661

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

You mean foul while up two? That would easily be the worst possible outcome.

Please discuss...


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koberulz
Last year
22:48 12 Oct 16

Reply #601665

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

...you give them two free throws to tie the game. With two seconds on the clock. Why on earth would you want to do that?


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koberulz
Last year
22:50 12 Oct 16

Reply #601666

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

And even if you're not in the penalty (I'm pretty sure Cairns were), fouling means a dead ball and then it can be advanced with a timeout. So it undoes the only benefit of missing the free throw in the first place.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
23:02 12 Oct 16

Reply #601668

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Lol

Perth won. It took some smart play and a freak shot to do it.
Unlikely to happen again.
They'll lose next time.


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koberulz
Last year
23:19 12 Oct 16

Reply #601672

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Getting a good look at three in 2.8 seconds isn't that unlikely.


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FM
Last year
01:04 13 Oct 16

Reply #601675

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Home team you play the gamble and should always be happy to play for overtime safe play or the win.

Away team you always bet 'all in' for the win. Going to overtime rarely benefits the away team, so clunking the last free throw would have been the better option.


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Dazz
Last year
07:01 13 Oct 16

Reply #601684

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Getting a good look at three in 2.8 seconds isn't that unlikely.
Yeah, much tougher shots have been made, and in less time too.

The amazing thing wasn't the play, or the shot, it was that PERTH actually had somebody to make it.

The thing I liked about JJ, was that he'd slipped and turned the ball over in the previous play, but he didn't let it get to him, he wanted the ball and wanted to make the shot.


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GordonG
Last year
15:59 13 Oct 16

Reply #601748

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

"Getting a good look at three in 2.8 seconds isn't that unlikely."

Torrey Craig can do it in 0.8 :)


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koberulz
Last year
18:04 13 Oct 16

Reply #601770

re: Up 1 with 2.8 on the clock

Lucky he's not with the Taipans anymore then.


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