Jumpshot
Years ago

Kings vs Hawks 13/10/2016

Hawks by 20.

What does everyone think about the King's imports?

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LV  
Years ago

Kings vs Bullets was the only game I didn't watch any part of last weekend. So I'm very keen to get a look at the Kings.

Tip- Illawarra by 10.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Bryson is poor. Can't shoot, can't contain anyone off the dribble, doesn't impact the game in any way. He'll be gone within 4 games if not sooner. Not up to it at this level. Whittington I'm still not completely sold on but has the tools. Powell is a complete lottery and you probably have to throw out his first couple of games to get a genuine read on him.

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LV  
Years ago

Bryson was the leading scorer in the Big West conference as a senior, and the 9th leading scorer as a Junior. He was also 7th in rebounding in Big West as a Senior. Hit a huge volume of threes at 37% over his college career. He played on a successful team too.

He's in his first professional season. Give the kid a chance to figure it out, cos he's obviously got some skills.

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Aussie  
Years ago

LV He sounds very similar to Thornton

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AngusH  
Years ago

Bryson has looked a lot like Thornton, which isn't surprising given the similarities in their college careers. It's a bit of a risk taking rookie scorers as imports, especially from small conferences. Like Thornton he's super athletic, but too slight of frame to finish around the hoop at the moment.

I'll give him another game or two because he shows the odd flash here and there, but it's been his defense that's most troubling to me. Really overplays his man when defending the ball, and completely loses his man when he's on the weakside ball watching.

Whittington looks good to me. Foul trouble hurt him vs the Bullets, but he's a good defender & rebounder that can play a couple of positions which is what we really need right now.

I hope Kings, but expect Hawks by 10-15. Hawks are terrifyingly talented and versatile based on what I saw in the Adelaide game.

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CT  
Years ago

"Give the kid a chance to figure it out, cos he's obviously got some skills."

Sounds a bit like Travis Trice too.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I agree to give the kid a chance but if your on import money you have to perform. He does look lost but it could all come good very quickly.

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LV  
Years ago

Lisch is the main man in the backcourt. Bryson doesn't need to be a star. He needs to learn the system, pick his spots. If he can play solid D and hit his wide open 3's and score 10-12 points a game then he's doing OK.

That could be half his problem though, when you're *THE MAN* on the team for several years in College, it's not always easy adjusting to being a role player in the pros.

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Bear  
Years ago

I think the Hawks are very strong this season, however, I am picking Kins by a whisker...

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Bear  
Years ago

Kings

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Powell's meant to be playing tonight but regardless can't see them beating the Hawks in Wollongong.

Newley & the big galoot Maric need to stand up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Lisch is the main man in the backcourt. Bryson doesn't need to be a star. He needs to learn the system, pick his spots. If he can play solid D and hit his wide open 3's and score 10-12 points a game then he's doing OK."

Agree with this, the concern for Sydney is he has badly missed a number of open shots. Both he and Trice looked well off the pro pace in R1, but that can change quickly. Both will need to perform soon though.

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LV  
Years ago

Trice just played a season of D league averaged 16 points and 6 assists (or there abouts)

Bryson is new to the pros. I expect more from Trice.

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Wookiee  
Years ago

Starting to agree with Bryson on the court... He hasn't had one good game through all of pre-season or the first round, that's a decent handful of games really... His shot just isn't dropping and I don't know how long we can persist with a shooter that isn't making shots on such a regular basis... If he was a better defender then it c ould cover for it for longer but he's not even that... had to cringe a lot watching his poor defensive performance last game...

He's a great guy, but it's important to get a good start this season and my money is easily on the Hawks tonight, especially if they play like they did last week... If they put in a similar effor, I think easily by double figures, hopefully no cheeseburgers...

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Air Delay  
Years ago

Wookie always speaks wise words.

Bryson needs to step up in the 2 spot so Cadee can be the back up guard.

Kings really need to rebound and bully the Hawks outta their style of game to be a chance.

Hard to not tip the Hawkies in this one.

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Benno  
Years ago

Bryson has 2 more games to make an impact or his gone IMO, Kings have pumped lots of money into this rebuild of the franchise these cant afford to have a non impact player on the court when there is heaps of good free agents out there especially with lots of players getting waived from NBA training camp rosters!

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Bryson's level of effort is certainly better than Thornton's, but he is not a strong defender. I had a look at a scouting report for him and it seems his game is very much based on his shooting ability, so if that's not working for him, it's hard to see how he can be a high level contributor.

I have only seen him in the Bullets game, but so far I'm not sure where/how he really fits into the Kings lineup.

I'm guessing he was bought as a guy who could get some quick points for the Kings when Lisch sits, but I'm not seeing it so far.

(Old scouting report on Bryson:http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/ncaa/186612/ncaa-underground-take-note-for-your-team-in-europe-michael-bryson-ucsb.html)

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Bevo has coached 14 straight wins against Sydney! I'm tipping tonight will be 15.

I think Kings will have match-up problems with Ogilvy.

Illawarra by 7.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hawks 11+ $3 get on

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Anonymous  
Years ago

lol dem ankles

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And one of the worst calls ever

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#freekickhawks

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AngusH  
Years ago

Maric being penalised on that screen for being bigger than the guy he screened. Stupid.

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AngusH  
Years ago

I swear every time I see Garlepp try defend on the perimeter I sprout another grey hairr.

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B  
Years ago

Got on kings +4.5 and Hawks -2.5 earlier in the week, hoping to hit another middle

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Me bEn  
Years ago

Gong looks like they have the softest rims in the league? Already seen so many friendly rolls tonight.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Kings offense looks like trash, but their inbounds plays are really solid.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Do Sydney even defence

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AngusH  
Years ago

Anyone else's NBL.tv feed died in the ass?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Butthurt Hawks fans booing Lisch...poor form

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Harris looking like The Truth with that herky jerky drive / off-balance jumper

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yep feed dead.

Feed back!

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LV  
Years ago

Angus. my nbl tv hasn't worked all game. Tried phone and iPad. Haven't bothered trying laptop.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And dead again

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LV  
Years ago

Tried phone and ipad multiple times I mean

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AngusH  
Years ago

"Stream commencing shortly"

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Tempo  
Years ago

Are the Hawks the greatest offensive and shooting team in the history of basketball?

Better than offensive and shooting team than the 2015/16 Golden State Warriors?

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Tempo  
Years ago

Maric is rubbish....

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kings big men need to hit the boards - can't have Lisch being the only one getting rebounds

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LV  
Years ago

Bit disappointing, was looking forward to this game.

Feel bad complaining when it's only 5 a month. On the other hand, I'd happily pay 15 a month like I do for footy, for a product that works perfectly.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Stream seems stable now... Maybe the guy hosting the stream shut down the torrents he was downloading.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

LV use desktop/laptop

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Keen observer  
Years ago

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Keen observer  
Years ago

AJ in foul trouble already.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What a dish by D Lisch

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Stream working well for me but not game enough to try and plug in the VGA cable to watch it on my TV.

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Have Bryson or Holyfield played yet I haven't seen either one yet.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Jeezus Tommy Garlepp, way to both a 4 on 5. Time to give Hill a shot I think.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Bryson missed a couple of threes and Holyfield had some FTs.

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Harris has left the game injured. Not sure what happened exactly.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Oh my god. Tommy Garlepp.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

SMH Tommy

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well Powell didn't take long to acclimatise

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Did anyone know that Powell is a 2-time NBA champion? The commentators have mentioned it 21 times already.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Again Tommy misses the wide open guy on the corner.

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LV  
Years ago

Childress 2.0- another angry American!

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AngusH  
Years ago

He didn't say a word... lol.. just stared him down.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Good mins from Prewster, he should be a full fledged player, not a dev.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Good mins from Prewster, he should be a full fledged player, not a dev.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Good mins from Prewster, he should be a full fledged player, not a dev.

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LV  
Years ago

Nbl tv worked via 'live games', previously I'd been trying 'watch live' to no avail

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Powell is looking better than I expected in his first game, will bully smaller defenders and cut to the hoop hard.

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AngusH  
Years ago

@ LV; same here.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Please post your thoughts on Prewster, AngusH

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LV  
Years ago

Sounds like the issue resolved tho


Will try desktop next time, cheers

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AngusH  
Years ago

@ Anonymous it was such a wise observation I thought I would make it 3 times.

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LV  
Years ago

Powell looks great.

but they won't have room for Khazzouh now. Maybe Maric will sit, bit of a waste

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AngusH  
Years ago

Get Bryson out of there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Haha angus.

Man Bryson is athletic af but has no smarts in his game.

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Tempo  
Years ago

LOL Maric again....the guy is utter junk

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Prewster isn't even a DP the Kings never re-signed him yet he's playing? He's not on their roster.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Maybe 6 years ago you throw that down Maric.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sydney ChoKings

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Maric, what a goober

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AngusH  
Years ago

Feed has died again, god damnit.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Damn Lisch can move laterally

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Just retire Maric

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Stream playing up for me badly in the 4th

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Cringe-inducing stuff there. Poor Bo

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AngusH  
Years ago

I'm frozen at 5:17 left in the quarter. Such a shit.

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Zodiac  
Years ago

It's died

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AngusH  
Years ago

back now, missed 2.5 mins.

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Zodiac  
Years ago

refreshed it working now 2:46 left

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Did people miss Bo Liu thinking he was being called into the game and then getting shut down?

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Imagine if the Kings win this what were their odds?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Any more layups you wanna miss Kangz?

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AngusH  
Years ago

Fark me. Two weeks in a row we are missing clutch open layups. Let's sub Gaze in.

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Tempo  
Years ago

That is this league will never be taken seriously word wide...never in my life seen players CONSISTENTLY miss fundamental point blank layups

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Keen observer  
Years ago

Sydney showing a real lack of composure here. They should have wrapped this up with Hawks stone cold from 3 pt range.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

'Imagine if the Kings win this what were their odds?'

Not that huge, about $2.85

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Bad stream

Bad refs

Bad commentators

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Anonymous  
Years ago

STOP MISSING LAYUPS U IDIOTS! AARGH ITS SO AMATEUR.

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AngusH  
Years ago

MARIC WITH A POSITIVE IMPACT!

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AngusH  
Years ago

Odds that Kings get called for a foul here?

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Maric all clutch and shit ;)

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AngusH  
Years ago

Newley will probably airball these.

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AngusH  
Years ago

FOUL

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Kings deserve to win this can't have the Hawks jagging it.

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AngusH  
Years ago

NEWLEY MADE A LAYUP! NEWLEY MADE A LAYUP!

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Kings never win games like this

Nice work

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Duke Fan  
Years ago

Josh Powell has excellent footwork. Is he going to tear the NBL apart? Possibly not. Is he a quality addition that might just get the Kings deep into the playoffs? Absolutely.

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Benno  
Years ago

Powell was great

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Bear  
Years ago

Well, there you go, another example of how tight this league will probably continue to be and how hard it is to pick a winner.

Although I tipped the Kings, I wasn't confident, certainly the injury to Norton helped Sydney and probably gave Lisch some more room to move.

Some great play was sadly met by moments of fundamental brain fades on behalf of both teams, not sure what to put it down to, but hope it was just nerves or something as it is only round two.

Best thing here was that Sydney got their first win and every team can bat fairly deep if they get int injury/foul trouble.

Here's to a tight NBL season, congrats to the Kings tonight, let's see if UTD can turn the tables on the 6'ers tomorrow??

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AngusH  
Years ago

Yeah, Powell's touch was real impressive, plus the fact that he seems actually invested when on the court, which is the big fear when you bring in these former NBA guys on the wrong side of 30.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How bad is Maric.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Did Maric leave his game in Europe????????? He can barely catch the ball

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LV  
Years ago

Powell a great addition. Genuine depth in 3, 4 and 5 spots for Sydney.

Ogilvys absence through foul trouble down the stretch really hurt the Hawks. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one defending Powell when Powell got all his points there.

Thought this was Violet crumbles and Hawks were gonna get it.

6 of 7 games have been alive heading into the final minute. It will be a good season. I'm tipping everyone wins at least 10 games and no one wins 20.

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Bear  
Years ago

Can it be easy for Maric, coming back to a tough league from Europe at the twilight of his career?

Maybe cut him a little slack until he gets the tempo, then if he is still found wanting, yes maybe too old already, but I would give the guy mid season before passing judgment.

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AngusH  
Years ago

Maric's best skill right now seems to be his passing ability. No idea what he was thinking with that dunk attempt tonight.

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Air Delay  
Years ago

In all the games I've watched so far I feel like the refs are blowing faaaaaaar too many foul calls on what should be 'good D' calls and play on. Makes too many players then okay for milking the fouls & I don't like seeing that in our sport.

Hats off to the Kings, that was an effort win there... but seriously, unless Bryson shows something this weekend, he's gotta go or it'll hurt the Kings in the back end of the season.

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Bear  
Years ago

I noticed quite a few guys just not going directly to the rim. Missing fade away hooks and drifting lay-ups (for want of a better description), not sure if inconsistent officiating has anything to do with this or it is just a bad habit creeping in!

Officials are one topic I'd rather avoid though...

Only because if we are not talking about them we are probably enjoying the games more.

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Dazz  
Years ago

I'd say give Maric a chance. It will take him a while to adapt to a new team, and especially to the different reffing in the NBL. Plus the team around him must learn how to most effectively use his presence.
Just look at Jawai last year.

It will be interesting to see how the league evolves (or not) this season. Last season Perth showed that you can use a big, shuffling, immovable Centre effectively. Are we going to see more of that, or will the NBL's traditionally tough reffing on big men kill the move?

Certainly Perth have gone the other way with McKay.

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Billy Ref Cyrus  
Years ago

Refs controlled the tempo through extreme amount of foul calls, and several long stoppages talking with the score bench.

Sucked the atmosphere out of the stadium, and really played in to Kings game plan of slowing it down.

Hawks might have been a chance if they hit free throws.

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_Strungout_  
Years ago

Maric would be on decent coin (a lot more then the imports).

He is a liability on d, teams just drag him away from the basket with pick n rolls.

He has no touch on offense around the basket.

He did hit 2 key free throws though.

#something

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LV  
Years ago

Just quietly, I'm feeling very good about the $3 I had on Marvellous Marvelle for MVP at odds of $46. Also put $3 on Jaron Johnson- both looking like very shrewd bets.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Marvel has to harden up!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Hawks might have been a chance if they hit free throws."


Or, you know, the 700 three point shots they missed.

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Billy Ref Cyrus  
Years ago

Free throws are generally less of a lottery than threes, you know.

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AngusH  
Years ago

That's the thing about 3s - sometimes they just don't drop. I thought Hawks or Melbourne would win it all last year, and look what happened in the semis.

Harris is a pretty darn good plan B though - just give him the ball, and when he drives it's probably either a basket or a foul 80% of the time. Bryson played pretty good D on that last possession (although his foul on the 3pt shot earlier was what swung momentum the other way in the first place).

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Pointybits  
Years ago

Im sure looking forward to a fat open season. The officials have obviously been directed to tighten up on foul calls.
Once players and teams adjust then the grinding unspectacular game as shown in last nights win will open the game right up.

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swish  
Years ago

Where are the Hawks fans? The stadium even has one end curtained off to hide empty seats. Sure it was a Thurday night but after the way they played against Adelaide you should expect all Hawks fans would be doing what they can to get to the game.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Tommy Garlepp seems to be struggling big time for kings on both offensive and defence. Both imports still to show top form , Bryson case no form at either end. Lisch and Newely were both good again defensively, Lisch great offensively great and Newley good but miss a layup or two. Cadee offence was great, still gets caught defensively at times but improving. Powel looks great for first game could be a great pick up, Maric didn't look to bad and like Ogilivy had some shit foul calls on him. Prewster did OK, and thought Moller should got more time after his first game effort. Hill just has to do what he's good at under the bucket and give the outside shot to his shooters.

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AngusH  
Years ago

It's a toss up between Bryson and Tommy for the worst performance through 2 games for the Kings. Bryson at least had the solid chase down block and the final defensive stop, but Tommy repeatedly missed open guys last night on offense, and got scorched on D. I like to think we're in a position this year where we don't overlook missed assignments on D, going under screens when guarding a shooter like Forman, etc. Tommy played too many mins in the 4th Q last night, when I think someone like Prewster is a better bet as he'll keep the ball moving and plays solid D. If Garlepp isn't knocking down his shots, he's a liability.

Moller has been surprisingly good but he wasn't the man for the job last night as we were doing OK on the glass.

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Just Very Old  
Years ago

Tommy reminds me of Andrew Svaldenis, a better player in a stronger league and era, but relatively speaking, the same type of impact upon his team and the league. .

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fstos  
Years ago

The league and the era were not stronger when Svaldenis was around. The mere fact that an undersized, under skilled player with zero range played as many minutes as he did is all the proof needed.

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Just Very Old  
Years ago

My bad w grammar I meant that this era is stronger ie

"Tommy reminds me of Andrew Svaldenis, ( Tommy is) a better player in a stronger league and era, but relatively speaking, the same type of impact upon his team and the league. "

has a few games where he appears to dominate, but basically does not win games.

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