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Anonymous
Last year

#40149

Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Trevor Gleeson was quoted yesterday as saying that they have decisions to make within the next 24 hours as to the positions they have to fill within the team.

Clearly, they are lacking anyone who has the ability to play the point and they had to do something about it. I feel as if the decision was made to release Ingram (and potentially cover it up as it wouldn't look good for the club to release 2 imports in as many weeks) so they can fill the hole by signing an import combo guard.

It just all seems too strange that Trev said there will be changes to the roster, and then Ingram walks out with 'mental health issues' the next day. All the best to him if he does have problems, but it just seems to be coincidental timing.

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Nonanon
Last year
14:30 26 Oct 16

Reply #604166

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

This didn't need its own thread.


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alexkrad
Last year
14:55 26 Oct 16

Reply #604177

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Doubt it, I dont think Damo will be out for ages and we dont have doubles for 4 weeks anyway. Ingram never playing overseas before and the mental health explanation for his exit fit together.


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Train
Last year
15:03 26 Oct 16

Reply #604180

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Are you wearing your tin foil hat ?


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AngusH
Last year
15:44 26 Oct 16

Reply #604188

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Conspiracy theory: Wildcats think they need a 2nd top-tier import to compete for a title and have no overreacted and cut two guys despite sitting top on the ladder.

Clearly they need a PG now (and probably needed one before in truth, I don't think Martin's best position is as your primary ballhandler/playmaker), but if they had sat pretty with Johnson in the first place I still think they are 3-1 now, end up finishing top 2, and probably make the finals.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:55 26 Oct 16

Reply #604195

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Holt if he wasn't busy in Spain would have been a perfect replacement.


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Nonanon
Last year
16:02 26 Oct 16

Reply #604196

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I love how chirpy AngusH has become now that his team isn't the perennial wooden spooner.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:03 26 Oct 16

Reply #604197

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Holt would have been a perfect replacement for beal, a better defender and more polished than Johnson...


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Anonymous
Last year
16:17 26 Oct 16

Reply #604201

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Damo should be out on medical reasons for far more than the predicted week.


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Nonanon
Last year
16:23 26 Oct 16

Reply #604202

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Are you a doctor?


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Anonymous
Last year
16:44 26 Oct 16

Reply #604212

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Are you qualified to even comment?


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Anonymous
Last year
17:26 26 Oct 16

Reply #604217

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I don't think you need to be a doctor to have an opinion on Martin's return. Why? Because a very innocuous knock on a legal screen by Majok caused another fracture. Lends itself to the belief that he hasn't really structurally healed after last years major break.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:45 26 Oct 16

Reply #604221

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Ask Johnathon Brown how many facial injuries you can have in a short period of time.


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Captain Jack
Last year
17:47 26 Oct 16

Reply #604222

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Dolla Beal would be a good fit

This is why i think teams should hang onto imports like him who are good, but not MVP level

Its harder than people think to find someone better

As there is more to it than on the court fit, and even getting that right isnt easy at times


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AngusH
Last year
18:03 26 Oct 16

Reply #604231

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Nonanon - always chatty during the season, even when we've sucked. I just don't change my handle every couple of weeks like some others do.


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alexkrad
Last year
18:41 26 Oct 16

Reply #604245

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/basketball/perth-wildcats-import-andre-ingram-to-head-back-to-united-states-citing-mental-health-reasons/news-story/fd0ee78ba3b017fd8bcab8803b0fd348

Sheds a little bit of light on Ingram's situation


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Anonymous
Last year
18:44 26 Oct 16

Reply #604246

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Yeah by the sounds of it, it is a mental health issue. Timing just sits so badly.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:48 26 Oct 16

Reply #604247

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

waiting for dazz to arrive and tell us what the "real" reason is like he usually does


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Ricky
Last year
18:48 26 Oct 16

Reply #604249

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

lol


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Dazz
Last year
19:30 26 Oct 16

Reply #604253

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Clearly this is all part of an extremely cunning plan.
"More Cunning than a fox who's just been appointed professor of cunning at Oxford University."


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Zodiac
Last year
19:46 26 Oct 16

Reply #604256

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Fueling the conspiracy theories:

There is a chance the Wildcats could bring back Johnson who is still in Perth. Under NBL rules a player who is removed from the team roster may not return to that same club roster in the same season, unless he is replacing a player who has suffered a season ending injury or illness, which Ingram is.

"That's something we will look at. We don’t know yet where we are with that but we always said Jaron was a great guy," Gleeson said.

“He trained with us today but he has been doing that all the time. We will just see how that plays out. The guys love him so that’s part of being a professional too but we’ll see how it goes.”


http://www.nbl.com.au/featured-news/33489/


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Dazz
Last year
19:53 26 Oct 16

Reply #604259

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

The Cats are not above "spinning" facts to create a better image, but normally that would go the other way. Generally the spin is to obscure a problem and hence the player goes along with it.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:01 26 Oct 16

Reply #604260

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Cats basically trialled a fourth import mid-season as a potential replacement. Got to hand it to Nick, he knows how to work the rules better than anyone.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
20:07 26 Oct 16

Reply #604261

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Can Dazz run the point?


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Zodiac
Last year
20:33 26 Oct 16

Reply #604264

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

It's all starting to look a bit dodgy.

It would explain why Johnson was originally listed as 'de-activated' not released keep him hanging around in Perth still paying him of course, trial Ingram in-season didn't like the look of him so released him on season ending 'illness' grounds thus allowing them to replace him with the 'de-activated' Johnson.


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proud
Last year
20:56 26 Oct 16

Reply #604268

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Is Johnson still here in case Prather gets an NBA call up mid season?

Sounds like shit but could be plausible.

So with NBA cutting players today is there anyone out there that the Wildcats must talk to?

Did Jamar Wilson or Gary Ervin ever get Australian citizenship?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:56 26 Oct 16

Reply #604269

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

expect Johnson to be re-activated soon


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Anonymous
Last year
21:02 26 Oct 16

Reply #604270

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Ervin didn't pass the citizenship test. Spelt his name wrong.


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koberulz
Last year
21:21 26 Oct 16

Reply #604272

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Didn't Wilson get citizenship in Finland or wherever it was?


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Train
Last year
21:21 26 Oct 16

Reply #604273

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Wilson got citezenship in Finland.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:23 26 Oct 16

Reply #604274

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Yeah I was thinking Johnson could be sticking around for a little bit in case Prather gets an NBA call up soon or a long term injury.

Possibly might even want to keep him close and look to sign him for next year when/if Prather leaves


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_Strungout_
Last year
21:31 26 Oct 16

Reply #604275

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

"There is a chance the Wildcats could bring back Johnson who is still in Perth. Under NBL rules a player who is removed from the team roster may not return to that same club roster in the same season, unless he is replacing a player who has suffered a season ending injury or illness, which Ingram is."

I'm not sure how home sickness classify's as a season ending injury.

An actual injury with a timetable for recovery makes sense (eg ACL 12 months).

"Mental scars" from being away from home.... if he ends up playing in the D-League again this year and Jaron Johnson replaces him for a few games until they find a marquee name it kind of makes the league rules look like a joke. (no surprise)


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Anonymous
Last year
21:32 26 Oct 16

Reply #604276

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

'injury or illness'

mental illness = illness


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Train
Last year
21:35 26 Oct 16

Reply #604277

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Mental Illness is definitely an illness and not just a matter of " mental scars from being away from home".


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_Strungout_
Last year
22:07 26 Oct 16

Reply #604279

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

There is mental illness which is serious, it is also treatable with therapy, medication and lifestyle changes. It can also range from mild disorders lasting a few weeks to severe illnesses that can be life-long.

Ingram is a guy who has barely missed a D-League game in the last 10 years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/dleague/players/i/ingraan01d.html

I'm guessing by his past history that his issues only occurred during the d-league off season.

I advocate for mental health awareness although I think dropping the 'mental issues' card in a press release to get around league rules (if that is what has potentially occurred) is weak.


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Dazz
Last year
22:31 26 Oct 16

Reply #604280

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I usually love a good conspiracy theory, but I just can't make the facts fit any.
There's no way the Cats CHOOSE to cut Ingram just after they lose their two PGs. Even if they'd decided he was crap, and/or the plan was to get in recently cut NBA combo guard, why not have him play until the new guy is ready to go.
Any suggestions of shenanigans over his mental illness only applies to re-activating JJ. So what is the big conspiracy there? The Cats wanted to give JJ a little holiday???

As for why JJ is still training? Possibly its a mutual obligation, and they're still paying him, and keeping him fresh in case somebody else wants to pick him up.
Or yes, presumably Prather has some kind of NBA out, and they wanted to keep JJ on stand-by, at least until that date passes. Makes sense in the circumstances.
IF (and I have no idea) Prather was a chance of a call-up, he's done that no harm with his start to the season.
Bug again, no big conspiracy there.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:36 26 Oct 16

Reply #604282

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I highly doubt there is any form of cover up to bend the rules or conspiracy. I think he does genuinely have a mental illness, likely some form anxiety or depression. Being away from home and playing professionally overseas would definitely make this worse or triggered something for him. It makes sense why a player of his shooting ability would have never left the D-League to go overseas if he had an illness like that.

He's probably always had it, but been able to treat it much more easily at home and been able to continue to play in the D-League. It is a massive thing going to the other side of the world to play, so I can easily see how it could have made any underlying condition of his worse. In an interview from months ago and he kept talking about his family and how thankful he was to never be away from them long. He probably thought he'd now try it, but quickly realised he just couldn't do it.


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Zodiac
Last year
22:39 26 Oct 16

Reply #604283

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Any suggestions of shenanigans over his mental illness only applies to re-activating JJ. So what is the big conspiracy there? The Cats wanted to give JJ a little holiday???


It's reasonably obvious they wanted to take a look at Ingram so only de-activated Johnson so they could didn't like what they saw in him couldn't use the season ending injury out so used the season ending illness and now they can re-activate Johnson.

They thought they had a potentially better fit lined up so tried him out realised they didn't so to keep the option open of reinstating Johnson gave Ingram a season ending illness.

It sounds more than a little convenient.


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Dazz
Last year
23:11 26 Oct 16

Reply #604287

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

So, to "have a look at Ingram" they flew him to Perth with 2 days notice, had him play 2 games in 4 days, and after he performed EXACTLY as expected, they decided they didn't like him???
Dude, you need thicker Alfoil.

And why would Ingram go along with that?


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Zodiac
Last year
23:40 26 Oct 16

Reply #604288

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Dazz I realise you're not the sharpest tool in the shed you do understand by having a look at Ingram I meant they were trying him out to possibly replace Johnson?

Why the hell did they only de-activate Johnson and not release him then? This is the first time I've ever heard of an NBL team de-activating an import and not releasing him in my 25 years following the league.

And then Ingram conveniently gets the season ending injury/illness required allowing the Wildcats to activate the import they conveniently still had hanging around in Perth.

Come on this is typical Nick Marvin/Seamus McPeake shenanigans right here.


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koberulz
Last year
00:03 27 Oct 16

Reply #604289

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Why the hell did they only de-activate Johnson and not release him then?
Do you know what the difference between those two things is? I'm not aware of one; I think you'll find the Wildcats' media people simply thought 'deactivate' sounded better in a press release.

And then Ingram conveniently gets the season ending injury/illness
I can think of lots of words to describe what's going on in Perth right now. "Convenient" is absolutely not one of them.

Seriously, what do you think they saw from Ingram in the two games he played straight of the plane with no real practice time that led them to make a decision? Why would Ingram be okay with being labelled as mentally ill?


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Anonymous
Last year
00:12 27 Oct 16

Reply #604290

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

zodiac when an idea is so silly that even dazz is not on board with it that should be a huge red flag that you need to go back and think it through more carefully


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Zodiac
Last year
00:21 27 Oct 16

Reply #604291

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Do you know what the difference between those two things is? I'm not aware of one; I think you'll find the Wildcats' media people simply thought 'deactivate' sounded better in a press release.


Is this a serious question? One means he's still contracted to the team the other means he isn't.

Seriously, what do you think they saw from Ingram in the two games he played straight of the plane with no real practice time that led them to make a decision? Why would Ingram be okay with being labelled as mentally ill?


A) Ingram didn't really look NBL standard.

B) Money and presumably why would he care anyway? He'll just go back to running around in the D-League. Those teams would all know his strengths & weaknesses already.


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koberulz
Last year
00:44 27 Oct 16

Reply #604292

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Is this a serious question? One means he's still contracted to the team the other means he isn't.
If he's still contracted, they can't sign an import to replace him.

Ingram didn't really look NBL standard.
In two games with no practice time straight off the plane from the US? No shit he didn't look NBL standard.


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Zodiac
Last year
00:59 27 Oct 16

Reply #604294

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

If he's still contracted, they can't sign an import to replace him.


If he's been removed from the playing roster despite still being under contract hence de-activated of course they can. However they can only put him back on the playing roster if the import he's replacing has been let go due to a season ending injury/illness.


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koberulz
Last year
01:03 27 Oct 16

Reply #604295

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

If he's been removed from the playing roster despite still being under contract hence de-activated of course they can.
[citation needed]


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Dazz
Last year
01:26 27 Oct 16

Reply #604296

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Forget the Alfoil, you need to go straight to lead. Those CIA mind-control waves have clearly scrambled your brains.

A good conspiracy theory can be quite entertaining, but you don't even have the basics.

You're suggesting a grand conspiracy, in which Ingram is not only complicit, but agrees to be labelled as mentally ill, effectively ending any hope he has of ever playing anywhere but D-League. (Which according to you, he should still be chasing because there's nothing actually wrong with him.)
And as if that wasn't stupid enough, you're kinda missing one vital item.
In even the worst Batman episode, the Penguin always had an OBJECTIVE.
So what do you propose was the Cats' objective???
To bring in a 3-point specialist just for the Hawks & MU games?
To boost sales of fluro-orange sneakers?
To corner the market on Jeron Johnson bobble-heads?

Oh, that's right, they wanted to "look" at Ingram?
Not really sure what you think that means?
Was Trevor looking to expand his collection of locker-room photos?
What exactly is it that you think they observed in 2 games fresh off the plane? That they didn't already know?
That he's a 3-point specialist who's mediocre at the rest? Kinda suspect they already knew that one.
Do you think Ingram doctored his highlights real to make himself look taller?
Or had a friend video him dunking on an 8ft rim?

There's also the rather obvious sticking point.
Even if, for some bizarre reason that only works in your universe, the Cats hatched this massive conspiracy. Last thing they're going to do is fire it the day after they lost their two point guards to injury.

Try laying on the floor, with your feet in the air, because clearly your brain is not getting enough blood.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:41 27 Oct 16

Reply #604297

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Johnson dropped - Conspiracy theory that its not because he "wasn't the right fit" and that he did something wrong behind the scenes to get sacked.

Ingram leaves - New conspiracy theory that the Cats 'deactivated' Johnson just to get a look at Ingram, didn't like him, then decided to come up with a story and say he has mental health issues, sack him, then that allows them to bring Johnson back.

I can't believe it's that hard for some people to just believe the truth we've been told that Johnson was sacked because he wasn't the right fit, and that unfortunately his replacement Ingram the had to depart due to mental health issues. I see no reason for any of the conspiracy around either of these 'stories', both seem pretty legit, reasonable and believable. The Ingram conspiracy makes no sense as to why the Cats would intentionally do it.


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paul
Last year
07:13 27 Oct 16

Reply #604300

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

It is odd the Wildcats deactivated Johnson and didn't release him. I can't remember coming across that either. Will be interesting to see Perth's next step.


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KBRulzRulz
Last year
08:11 27 Oct 16

Reply #604302

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Some of you people are way to literal in your understanding.

The value to come out of this discussion is that the cats may have planned very well and may be able to utilise Johnson again.

It doesn't matter why they cut Johnson. What matters is they had the foresight to deactivate him - and not cut him.

It doesn't matter what the reason is that Ingram left. What matters is it could beamed as a season ending injury.

These two factors open the door for the wildcats to possibly use Johnson.

Thats the theory worth talking about.

That the Wildcats have planned well and maybe able to exploit technicalities.


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KBRulzRulz
Last year
08:27 27 Oct 16

Reply #604303

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Nick Marvin on local radio talking about the situation.

https://audioboom.com/posts/5208574-nick-marvin-wildcats-managing-director

No new news, but it's interesting to read between the lines.

Never mentions Johnson, but says the number one priority is to field a team for Friday.

Says there's no constraints whatsoever on signing players to replace Ingram.

Confident the team will present well.

Has much faith in DKD and Rhys Vague and Corbin Wroe who he believes are the future of the Wildcats.

Nick was probed a little about Johnson but deflected every time. I'd say Johnson being re-activated again is a possibility still.

It helps that it's an away game too. Don't have to make a big hoohaa about it in front of your fans.


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LV
Last year
08:34 27 Oct 16

Reply #604304

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

This deactivation thing is bizarre. Since when are imports "deactivated" and not simply released?


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Anonymous
Last year
08:48 27 Oct 16

Reply #604308

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Haha What a load of garbage, to put these ridiculous theories to rest, The reason Johnson is still here is incase Casey got an NBA contract following final cuts, the pelicans are still looking at him. The story about Ingram is legit and everyone needs to pack away their foil hats and calm down.


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Wookiee
Last year
08:57 27 Oct 16

Reply #604309

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

It's really very easy to just take the stories on face value and even as a Kings fan, I think it's probably true...

JJ really wasn't the right fit, so he was let go...

Ingram, who had never been overseas before, and everyone I think agrees that someone with his specific skillset COULD have been making easily better money than they pay in the D-League overseas already, so the leap to getting homesick, having issues with being this far from home isn't too great...

The thing is, that Perth have a history of bending and stretching the rules to suit themselves, and the wording of the "deactivating" of JJ and that he's stayed on to train with the team, is suspicious... The fact that they used that terminology, have blatantly used mental health issues as the reason of Ingram's compassionate release when that's pretty poor form, and now they're going to use that as the basis of "reactivating" a player that was sacked, but now can come back because they hit a really poor patch of bad luck? Well, it's still suspicious...


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Anonymous
Last year
09:05 27 Oct 16

Reply #604310

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

To even speculate that a team is using a persons mental health as an out clause and expecting a player to lie about it is just utter stupidity, use your common sense ppl.


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HoggyTimeRulz
Last year
09:13 27 Oct 16

Reply #604312

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

See things start to make more sense... Prather's potential NBA call up is probably the reason why Johnson remained in town and was "de-activated".

Mental health issues are most likely 100% real. But Now they could bring in Johnson again.

Prather isn't going to the Pelican's though... they just filled up their roster with Lance Stephenson.


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XY
Last year
09:13 27 Oct 16

Reply #604313

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Mental health issues can't be taken lightly and to suggest it would be used as a sham excuse, by anyone, is offensive.

As to Johnson, it might just be good sense for a cashed up owner to deactivate rather than release him. It only took about 5 minutes for someone on here to suggest that Sydney sign him. There are other teams that could which would be a definite upgrade on their current wings. So why not keep him around on the salary while he looks for other (non Australian) options?


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HoggyTimeRulz
Last year
09:23 27 Oct 16

Reply #604314

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Or as insurance in case your MVP candidate import may get an NBA call up.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:32 27 Oct 16

Reply #604315

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

XY, at the time Johnson was 'de-activated', Prather was still a chance (outside chance) of making the pelicans roster. Yes the roster is filled now. Call this a conspiracy theory if you will but Ingrams personal issues are real and the whole situation is very sad. We will never know Ingrams full story but I really feel for the guy, he has pro ball potential only to be held back by mental health problems.


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LV
Last year
09:40 27 Oct 16

Reply #604316

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

It is still odd because Johnson starred in the D League last season, why hasn't he returned there in the hope of getting a 10 day contract? NBA season is just starting and teams have just trimmed down to 15 players, but people can be injured at any time. At the least, you would think JJ would want to be in the D League continuing his momentum from last season, and put himself in the spotlight for a potential NBA call up. Instead of lounging around Perth and training with the Wildcats, without even playing anywhere.

What's in it for him, other than a "potential" re call on the off chance Prather gets invited to the US (And the Cats would want Prather back if he didn't make it anyway, much like Khazzouh and Webster returned to their NBL teams when their NBA calls ups didnt work out). Are the Wildcats even paying JJ? It all sounds a bit weird to me- a few unanswered questions here.


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LV
Last year
09:42 27 Oct 16

Reply #604317

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

The most plausible explanation IMO is that JJ is looking to explore other overseas options and is just hanging around Perth while his agent sorts it out. In that case, the Cats are just lucky that he's still there while all the injuries went down, cos at least they still have the option for him to play more games right now.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:04 27 Oct 16

Reply #604319

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I agree LV, I think it's a bit of both. He is waiting for his agent to find something and hanging around in case a spot opens up at the cats or elsewhere in the NBL. He genuinely loves it here and maybe he sees training with the cats as a way to develop his game in the meantime.


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Luuuc
Last year
10:07 27 Oct 16

Reply #604321

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

So I gather that the only real difference between a deactivation and a sacking is that the Cats are prepared to keep paying him to stick around even though he's not playing.

My question is, why do the rules (supposedly) differentiate between a deactivated player and a player released from their contract when it comes to their eligibility to play again for the same team?
What is the intent of this rule?


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Nonanon
Last year
10:10 27 Oct 16

Reply #604322

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

"Mental health issues can't be taken lightly and to suggest it would be used as a sham excuse, by anyone, is offensive. "

Not saying it has happened here but its equally offensive to use mental health as an excuse to cover poor behaviour (like Buddy Franklin and Gary Lyon).


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_Strungout_
Last year
10:22 27 Oct 16

Reply #604325

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

JJ should probably try to renegotiate his contract for this game and ask for around 8-15k to play.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:25 27 Oct 16

Reply #604326

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Why would Ingram agree to having his name dragged through the mud? This theory makes no sense. Johnson isn't the first guy to keep training with the club after being cut. Muo did the same. If there are no immediate job opportunities then I guess it's a chance to stay in shape and keep working out until an opportunity comes about. And from the cats perspective its a good contingency in case of an injury/illness emergency


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Anonymous
Last year
10:30 27 Oct 16

Reply #604327

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Yeah I was wondering the same thing Luuuc, does anyone know if there is actually any difference between 'deactivated' and 'released/delisted/cut/dropped' etc? I thought the initial press it seemed like an odd word to use, but thought maybe they thought they'd use it to sound less harsh or something lol. Plenty of other news reports on Johnson used words like 'sacked'and 'released' instead of 'deactivated' like the Cats used. Is there actually a technical difference between the 2? or did the Cats media team just think it was a better word to use at the time?


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paul
Last year
11:02 27 Oct 16

Reply #604329

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Luuuc, memory tells me the rule was put in place to stop richer clubs hoarding players, having some not on the active roster and not counting against points or salary cap but ready to go if needed, eg a replacement whenever there was a short-term injury.

I'm not sure if there was a precedent that led to the rule being put in place or just a case of paranoia, but it is probably outdated now and could be gotten rid of.

At anon, I believe the difference is a deactivated player is still contracted but not on the roster, where as a released is free to move to other clubs/leagues.


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Anonymous
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11:04 27 Oct 16

Reply #604332

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

I think the rule was put in place to stop a club signing an import, "cutting" them thus paying them out. Then re-signing them and paying them again.

That would be a way clubs could go over the salary cap without going over it so to speak.

By not allowing a cut player to re-sign stops that.


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Luuuc
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11:23 27 Oct 16

Reply #604334

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Ok, that I could understand.
Surely there is a more elegant way of achieving that goal though (i.e. the closing of a salary cap loophole)?
Because to me there is nothing intrinsically bad about re-signing the same guy later in a season. If anything I think it's a good thing for both the club and the player if they are permitted to return, rather than forcing the club to sign someone different.


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Anonymous
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11:29 27 Oct 16

Reply #604336

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

So where does his salary come from?


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Nonanon
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11:33 27 Oct 16

Reply #604337

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Cathy in Payroll.


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paul
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13:00 27 Oct 16

Reply #604345

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Luuuc, I don't think it's even a loophole to fix. If the Wildcats want to have Lucas Walker on standby all season, and he's happy to do that, why shouldn't that be allowed?

The whole 'have to replace a season-ending injury' thing has never really made sense to me.


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Anonymous
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13:05 27 Oct 16

Reply #604347

re: Conspiracy Theory - Andre Ingram

Shitloads of money being paid on 2 players.


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