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Anonymous
Last year

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My commentator power rankings

Play by play
1 - Dwayne Russell
2 - Adam papalia
3 - Matt Smith( is that his name? The guy that tends to do the Queensland games)
4 -huddo

Expert comments
1 - James Harvey
2 - cam tragardh
3 - Tommy greer
4 - Shane heal
5 - Steve carfino
6 - Brad Rosen
7 - Brad Robbins

Sideline commentator

1 - neroli meadows
2 - Abbey gelmi
3 - renae ingles


Let me know if I've left any out. Would be interested to hear your thoughts and engage in some robust discussion.

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Anonymous
Last year
16:11 5 Dec 16

Reply #611484

re: My commentator power rankings

Damn how could I forget Brenton speed. He is equal first for mine but hasn't called many games lately?


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Anonymous
Last year
16:11 5 Dec 16

Reply #611485

re: My commentator power rankings

they all suck !!!


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koberulz
Last year
16:15 5 Dec 16

Reply #611487

re: My commentator power rankings

Matt Russell is the Queensland guy. Warren Smith does some NSW games. You also don't have Carfino in your play-by-play ranking, even though he has called games with Rosen this year.

D-Mac missing from your color rankings.

How Dwayne Russell came first in anything other than a 'most blatant Melbourne United fan' ranking is beyond me.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:38 5 Dec 16

Reply #611493

re: My commentator power rankings

I like Dwayne Russell's passion for our sport.

His execution isn't the best. But he means well so I give him a pass.

Abbey is a stunner, but isn't a very good live sports journo at all.


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KET
Last year
16:41 5 Dec 16

Reply #611494

re: My commentator power rankings

Josh Jenkinson did a game of sideline commentating...

Neroli Meadows is a great addition.

Why does NBL TV use so many commentators? It doesn't seem necessary...


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Anonymous
Last year
16:43 5 Dec 16

Reply #611495

re: My commentator power rankings

What don't you like about dwayno?


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Splinky
Last year
17:49 5 Dec 16

Reply #611507

re: My commentator power rankings

Dwayne creams his pants any time Chris Goulding throws up a shot.

The more ill-advised and low percentage that shot is, the more Dwayne likes it. Drives me crazy. They should actually be panning him for taking rubbish shots that don't come out of an offensive structure, but instead it's rah rah time.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:54 5 Dec 16

Reply #611509

re: My commentator power rankings

I don't like how Dwayne's voice goes up an octave when he says a players name who just did or is about to do something emphatic

goULDing

prATHer

raANDle

Once you notice it once, you can never not notice it again.


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Luuuc
Last year
17:54 5 Dec 16

Reply #611510

re: My commentator power rankings

Good thread :)

I agree that Dwayne is a little over the top with the rah rah everything is wonderful routine, but I still think he's solid enough as a p-b-p guy. Not upper rankings worthy though.

Add a line after Heal on the special comments list and write Daylight.


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TimberBall
Last year
18:13 5 Dec 16

Reply #611512

re: My commentator power rankings

They are all pretty bad but Dwayne Russel is by far and away the worst! He only has the job because Fox overpaid him for his AFL commentary then realised how shit he was at that and had to find another avenue.
I don't mind all the secondary commentators but they all get a little biased to their old teams (Brad Robbins and shane heal especially). The American who does the NZ games is good but is falling into the same trap and being biased towards the Breakers.


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Zodiac
Last year
18:13 5 Dec 16

Reply #611513

re: My commentator power rankings

Josh Jenkinson did a game of sideline commentating...


Josh Jenkins, he plays for the Crows and used to be a squad member with Townsville before switching to footy.


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Zodiac
Last year
18:14 5 Dec 16

Reply #611514

re: My commentator power rankings

TimberBall, Casey Frank.


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TimberBall
Last year
18:19 5 Dec 16

Reply #611516

re: My commentator power rankings

Cheers, yeah he sounds knowledgable, Fox should get him out to more games.


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paul
Last year
18:26 5 Dec 16

Reply #611518

re: My commentator power rankings

For play-by-play Andrew Mulligan, Adam Papalia and Brenton Speed are my standouts, they know the game. I like Dwayne Russell but he doesn't really get the game for all his enthusiasm.

Except for Brad Rosen I quite enjoy all the special comments guys (Shane Heal and Casey Frank the standouts), they all provide something different and I am enjoying the broadcasts this year.

My only request is no more Steve Carfino on play-by-play, I enjoy his special comments but when calling the game he is painful.


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Luuuc
Last year
18:46 5 Dec 16

Reply #611520

re: My commentator power rankings

Yeah no kidding


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Zodiac
Last year
18:48 5 Dec 16

Reply #611521

re: My commentator power rankings

lol was about to throw in a yeah no kidding too.


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Zodiac
Last year
18:49 5 Dec 16

Reply #611522

re: My commentator power rankings

Heal & Harvey are good, Tragardh is terrible trying to crack jokes every time he opens his mouth.


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KET
Last year
19:29 5 Dec 16

Reply #611528

re: My commentator power rankings

Indeed Zodiac! I wonder if it was a one game special or if he'll do a few more.

I do wonder why we need so many commentators though, might be cheaper by limiting travel expenses. It's just very "you don't know who you're going to get" type of thing. I actually like the AFL system of Friday night commentators, Sat night commentators etc.


In terms of the commentary, I think most are quite decent but there's just something about the coverage where the commentary just seems a bit bland.


If we're going to do commentary teams i'd like something like:

SA:
John Casey or Anthony Hudson
Brett Maher
Renae Ingles

WA:
Brenton Speed
Adam Papalia
Brad Robbins

NSW:
Warren Smith
Steve Carfino
James Harvey

QLD:
Matt Russell
Derek Rucker
Abbey Gelmi

Vic:
Dwayne Russell
Shane Heal
Neroli Meadows


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Zodiac
Last year
19:35 5 Dec 16

Reply #611530

re: My commentator power rankings

I'm pretty sure Jenkins did sideline commentary a couple of times last season or the year before when he was writing a column for the NBL website.


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Dazz
Last year
19:47 5 Dec 16

Reply #611532

re: My commentator power rankings

I am so tired of Carfino.
By all means go to him for special comments, but for play-by play he is so annoying. He'll get a weed up about something trivial, then keep ignoring the game and banging on about it all night. Especially if his co-commentator dares to dis agree. Also allows his personal dislikes for some players to show-through far too much.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:36 5 Dec 16

Reply #611574

re: My commentator power rankings

One thing this thread has reminded me, is that "theres no pleasing everyone". Everyone has different tastes. But still, I'd like to single out some comments for further clarification:

@paul

"Except for Brad Rosen I quite enjoy all the special comments guys (Shane Heal and Casey Frank the standouts), they all provide something different and I am enjoying the broadcasts this year."

Interesting that Rosen is left out in the cold. He's not at the top of my list, but I don't really have him standing alone at the bottom either. Considering you mentioned you liked all the others, I inferred you were a fairly friendly guy, but I'd be interested to know what makes Rosen stand out (in a bad way?). To me, he doesn't add much value, but I could see to a casual fan he might be good, because he does speak at a good pace and clearly, although the things he says aren't rocket science.

@splinky

"Dwayne creams his pants any time Chris Goulding throws up a shot.

The more ill-advised and low percentage that shot is, the more Dwayne likes it. Drives me crazy. They should actually be panning him for taking rubbish shots that don't come out of an offensive structure, but instead it's rah rah time."

I actually like this part of Dwayne (the excitement). Sure, low percentage shots might not satisfy the offensive execution purists, but it *does* get the casual fans excited, particularly when you have a guy like CG43 who can actually knock them down.

The TV crew are facilitating an entertainment package remember, so there's nothing wrong with getting excited about flashy play, even if it is a little low percentage.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:50 5 Dec 16

Reply #611577

re: My commentator power rankings

IMO Brad Rosen and who ever called tonight's game are the best, though I think they are all ecceptable.


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SteveK2
Last year
21:57 5 Dec 16

Reply #611579

re: My commentator power rankings

Tonight's Hawks vs. Kings was called by Brenton Speed and Rosen. Showed you how good Speed was Anon if you reckoned Rosen sounded 'the best'. :)


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Haz
Last year
21:58 5 Dec 16

Reply #611580

re: My commentator power rankings

Not going to comment on every commentator, just a few that stand out for me (both good and bad)

As others have stated, Im also tired of Carfino. Was quite disappointed to see that he had returned to the coverage this year. At least he only covers a few games. Hated his monotone negative and repetitive style that was endured through 5 years of laboured channel 10 coverage.

For me, Dwayne Russell is a very important piece to the coverage. You may not necessarily like him, but he adds a high level of enthusiasm and with his experience, he can read the emotions of the game quite well. Not "technically" great, he's not there to be a basketball expert.

He's there to talk the league up, and engage with the more casual watchers that don't really follow basketball but are interested in it enough to watch the game. For that, Russell is pretty good. However I did find it annoying when he kept saying "14,000 people packed the arena" for a Perth game all night long when in actual fact there was 11,000 and that Perth have never had 14,000 to a game! Minor details for some, but was a bit annoying for me especially as it was mentioned all night.

Anthony Hudson has improved greatly. Another high profile caller there to help lift the profile of the league, Hudson has been decent while not spectacular.

The Perth guy - Adam Papalia is pretty good and has good chemistry with Brad Robbins. So, have been enjoying Perth's commentary team this season without it being outstanding.

I haven't heard a lot from the other "non-bball" commentators, but what I've heard from Brenton Speed, Matt Russell and Warren Smith have been much better than what Carfino and Rosen usually serve up, so I can't complain about them! Its also nice to hear different voices regularly I think. Keeps it interesting.

For the special comments guys - the past players: I like Tommy Greer. He comes across very professional, has a good voice and calls the game well in my opinion. Robbins is solid, despite being a little too Perth focussed. James Harvey has been unnoticeable, but that's probably a good thing.

Really don't like Tragagh's commentating. He seems to force a joke every time he speaks, as someone else also pointed out. Brad Rosen is the absolute worst though. His enthusiasm is cringe worthy, sorry.

Don't really watch much of New Zealand's home games but Im quite fond of Casey Frank though he sounds a bit goofy, he's quite entertaining.


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ME
Last year
23:08 5 Dec 16

Reply #611583

re: My commentator power rankings

Abbey Gelmi is great, even if it is just to look at. Throw her into every Gaze interview for all I care!

As for the rest, Dwayne Russel seems like a nice guy and I like his enthusiasm. But can he just get a room with Chris Goulding and be done with it?


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Ingles13
Last year
23:27 5 Dec 16

Reply #611586

re: My commentator power rankings

I enjoy lsitening to Harvey and Heal the most. They say it like it is and not afraid to call out when someone is underperforming. Wasn't too sure if commentary was gonna be Tragardh's thing but he's actually pretty solid, minus the huge smily thing he was doing throughout his first game commentating.

Some of the pbp callers that obviously aren't familiar with basketball are very hard to listen to. The amount of times they miscall block/charge fouls, defensive fouls with travels, and 3 in the keys is amazing.


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Johnson
Last year
08:39 6 Dec 16

Reply #611608

re: My commentator power rankings

D-Mac is the worst of the lot.I can't handle listening to this jibberer.Brad Robbins is a close second as he only goes on about Perth and Casey Prather.He should realise theres there two teams playing the game.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:22 6 Dec 16

Reply #611621

re: My commentator power rankings

Rosen is by far the worst. Commentates in this patronizing tone like he is teaching young kids the rules as he goes. Complete pain and his games get muted on my iPad. No one really stands out I wish john Casey could get out of the bloody sanfl and come back.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:42 6 Dec 16

Reply #611622

re: My commentator power rankings

Most of the play by play guys, with the exception of Andrew Mulligan, are godawful. They have no true feel or knowledge of the game and it shows every time. Some of the mistakes the two Russells consistently make, as an example, are just horrendous.

Just once, it would be nice to have a caller who understands the game and can communicate that understanding well. Who doesn't say 'rims out' every time a shot is missed. Who knows the difference between a block and a charge. Who has some idea of the history of the game and the NBL.

I'm sure there are a couple of guys out there who currently don't have a role with NBL TV who could do a far far better job that a lot of the rubbish we've been forced to endure this season.


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XY
Last year
11:37 6 Dec 16

Reply #611623

re: My commentator power rankings

Like who though? I know I would be a god-awful commentator. It's not an easy job. And even guys who are knowledgeable and can communicate well and have personality (Brett Maher for example) get panned on here by some people.

Who are these basketball gurus who have commentating experience, charisma and universal appeal who we have been overlooking for the job?


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Anonymous
Last year
13:27 6 Dec 16

Reply #611629

re: My commentator power rankings

I could not agree more.

I don't have a problem with any of them. Some of them do talk too much, go on a bit, get high-pitched but to me they all just love the game and are doing it for the right reasons. I am including the AFL, NRL and all commentators.

I have no problems and happy to listen to any of them


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swish
Last year
13:30 6 Dec 16

Reply #611630

re: My commentator power rankings

Derek Rucker was good. Brett Maher was good. Brad Rosen just needs to sit quietly for a few minutes instead of telling us about everything that we've just seen. Brad Robbins just keeps saying dumb things. Dwayne needs to ease off a bit. Not everything is amazing. He needs to stop saying things that are just not true like the Adelaide - Perth O/Time game which had the 8000 people here on the edge of their seats ( I think official figurs were just under 5000 people. Stop telling us how good the NBL is. Dennis Commetti didn't tell AFL viewers how great the AFL competition is.

Reality is we just need to allow guys to grow with their roles and learn the art of calling a basketball game.
Anyway, I'm still loving being able to see every game of this great NBL season through a rnage of options.


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Isaac
Last year
13:31 6 Dec 16

Reply #611632

re: My commentator power rankings

I like Casey Frank - probably a bit too much character for anything outside NZ, but he's very entertaining. Appreciate Rosen's interest in the game, but don't like his commentary. Thought Speed last night was quite good. Heal and Rucker have been good. Harvey half-decent too. Greer seems pro - keep him involved.


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GordonG
Last year
13:58 6 Dec 16

Reply #611636

re: My commentator power rankings

Matt McQuade.


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NBL Fan
Last year
15:21 6 Dec 16

Reply #611642

re: My commentator power rankings

Brad Robbins uses the term "we" quite often when referring to Perth and he is the only commentator I mute the TV for, painful to listen to. I like Matt Russell and Brenton Speed the most and I thought Andrew Voss was good last year when he commentated.


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Edward
Last year
17:46 6 Dec 16

Reply #611669

re: My commentator power rankings

I think the overall standard is pretty decent, though a couple, like Tommy Greer, James Harvey and Warren Smith are my favourites for different reasons.

Harvey is probably the best for talking tactics while still being pretty light and jokey.

Is Huddo an AFL commentator or something? Sometimes he doesn't seem to know the players well.

Rosen is a good bloke and he takes feedback on his commentary on board. He has a couple of verbal crutches.


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koberulz
Last year
17:51 6 Dec 16

Reply #611670

re: My commentator power rankings

Warren Smith is your favourite? He's the worst of the lot. Russell is incredibly annoying but at least it seems like he's seen a game of basketball before.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:24 8 Dec 16

Reply #611956

re: My commentator power rankings

Has Derek Rucker or Brett Maher done a game this year? If not why?

They are all good in their own way, some do talk too much, others don't get a chance to talk.

Shane is the best from what I've heard so far.

D-Mac is not that bad, he's done 3 games, he"ll getter better with more games under his belt.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:26 8 Dec 16

Reply #611957

re: My commentator power rankings

Its amazing as i see some of you guys comments, if you don't like certain people, no matter how good they are you'll say they're bad. save the negative comments


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Anonymous
Last year
20:28 8 Dec 16

Reply #611958

re: My commentator power rankings

Take into consideration that some work better together than with others. thats the gist of it


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Manu Fieldel
Last year
20:41 8 Dec 16

Reply #611961

re: My commentator power rankings

Three-man commentary team:

- The Kiwi play-by-play guy
- Trigger as 'reactions' colour
- Heal as analysis colour


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Manu Fieldel
Last year
20:43 8 Dec 16

Reply #611962

re: My commentator power rankings

Greer is a bit of a try-hard on commentary, or at least the pop-culture references don't seem to come naturally to him.


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Manu Fieldel
Last year
20:44 8 Dec 16

Reply #611963

re: My commentator power rankings

I'd like to see Fox involve a telestrator too


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koberulz
Last year
21:04 8 Dec 16

Reply #611964

re: My commentator power rankings

Has Derek Rucker or Brett Maher done a game this year? If not why?
Rucker has legal issues, Maher has a job.


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Zodiac
Last year
21:12 8 Dec 16

Reply #611966

re: My commentator power rankings

Too long to post here but Boti teed off about the various commentators the other day.

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/nbl-rd9-wrap-/

I have to agree with the Dwayne Russell thing it was killing me hearing him continue to say 8,000 screaming fans here in Adelaide tonight when as Boti said there was only just over half that for the Perth game 4,709.


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Edward
Last year
21:13 8 Dec 16

Reply #611967

re: My commentator power rankings

Does McQuade still do commentary? I thought he was focusing on writing.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:37 8 Dec 16

Reply #611978

re: My commentator power rankings

WTF is this even a topic


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HoldenV8
Last year
12:02 9 Dec 16

Reply #612014

re: My commentator power rankings

Dwayne Russell is a try hard. Goes over the top too much for mine yet all he seems to do is dribble on.

Casey Frank knows his stuff, but I agree that's he's starting to become a bit biased towards the Breakers.

Carfino.....another than knows his stuff, but gets stuck on trivial points too often and brings in phrases that no one seems to understand. I still don't know what a Euro-Step is. He also has an unfortunate tendency to go on too much about his own playing days.

Back when I started watching the NBL in the mid-80's pretty much every team (or city) had their own commentators because it was cheaper than flying commentators around the country.

For Adelaide in the 80's and 90's I can remember Andrew Kay, Lyn Parnell and Boti even got on the sideline act for a while. Max Stevens, Peter Marker (even though he was mostly a footballer he was still a good commentator in other sports and did Olympic commentary in 1988), John Casey and Mark Aiston.

Whatever happened to Lachy Reid?


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Anonymous
Last year
12:48 9 Dec 16

Reply #612025

re: My commentator power rankings

"Whatever happened to Lachy Reid?"

He is the game night emcee


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Pelican
Last year
12:51 9 Dec 16

Reply #612027

re: My commentator power rankings

Dwayne Russell has the commentating skill of mince meat. Absolute floghead. What he is doing polluting our beautiful sport is beyond me.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:35 9 Dec 16

Reply #612063

re: My commentator power rankings

I think Dwayne Russell is great although I acknowledge he's probably more suited to the casual fan than the Hardcores of this forum

I think heals analysis is a bit overrated and prefer the wit of Harvey and tragardh


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Anonymous
Last year
15:36 9 Dec 16

Reply #612066

re: My commentator power rankings

What makes the new Zealand play by play guy so highly rated here? He seems just solid to me rather than spectacular


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