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Ugly Igley
Last year

#40541

Jaron Johnson released

The Perth Wildcats have released American import player, Jaron Johnson, effective immediately

The decision was made by club coaches and management in an effort to improve team balance.

The Wildcats will replace Johnson in the coming weeks.

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Anonymous
Last year
21:58 23 Dec 16

Reply #614698

re: Jaron Johnson released

is this for real?


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Isaac
Last year
21:58 23 Dec 16

Reply #614699

re: Jaron Johnson released

Can someone find the quote about how they were going to keep him for the rest of the season?

They're really not the steady Wildcats of recent years!


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Anonymous
Last year
21:59 23 Dec 16

Reply #614700

re: Jaron Johnson released

Game winning shot - released
Scores 21 - released


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Anonymous
Last year
22:00 23 Dec 16

Reply #614701

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Johnson will play in tomorrow's clash with the Illawarra Hawks and the club’s intention is for him to see out the rest of the 2016/17 season in a Wildcats singlet."


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Daz68
Last year
22:03 23 Dec 16

Reply #614702

re: Jaron Johnson released

Can not say this season has not been interesting and yes this is legit.


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Lol
Last year
22:03 23 Dec 16

Reply #614703

re: Jaron Johnson released

Why don't they get rid of Hire, Bradkt or Kenny ffs


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Ugly Igley
Last year
22:06 23 Dec 16

Reply #614705

re: Jaron Johnson released

http://www.wildcats.com.au/perth-wildcats/jaron-johnson-released-2/

What an absolute joke. As much as he has struggled to find his place, you gotta feel for him after all these shenanigans.

Hopefully Bendat gives him a big payout.


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Kyrie2Nation
Last year
22:07 23 Dec 16

Reply #614706

re: Jaron Johnson released

Hahahahahaha.

It's going to be a delight to have a playoffs series without the Wildcats this season. I feel bad for JJ, he must be fuming.


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Ugly Igley
Last year
22:09 23 Dec 16

Reply #614707

re: Jaron Johnson released

What about that webpage name: /jaron-johnson-released-2/

Release number 2.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:11 23 Dec 16

Reply #614708

re: Jaron Johnson released

Cedric Jackson to be a Cat within a week


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SteveK2
Last year
22:13 23 Dec 16

Reply #614709

re: Jaron Johnson released

Not even 2 months since his re-activation, I truly feel sorry for him. Sure its the nature of professional sport that players come and go in the pursuit for wins but it seems unnecessarily harsh.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:15 23 Dec 16

Reply #614710

re: Jaron Johnson released

Dazz has just convulsed its over.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:18 23 Dec 16

Reply #614712

re: Jaron Johnson released

Outside of Sobey I thought he was the best player on the court last night. What a shame he was just starting to play well.


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Dazz
Last year
22:22 23 Dec 16

Reply #614713

re: Jaron Johnson released

Get on Board the WildCats Roller-Coaster,
more twists and loops than you can count, its a hell of a ride.

Merry Christmas JJ.

What a fuck up.

All I can say is that they better have Ware or Randle's twin lined up. If its some other smuck, I'm going down to kick some ass.

Look sure, he wasn't a good fit, but fuck that is a miserable way to treat somebody. Sack them, call em back, then sack em again 2 days before Christmas.

Why not a month ago???

Unless they have a deadest champion lined up, its not going to make enough difference at this point.

Watch this space I guess.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:22 23 Dec 16

Reply #614714

re: Jaron Johnson released

It's a shame for JJ right mind set decent player. Just shit environment.

He shoulda taken less money in Cairns


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leungtl
Last year
22:23 23 Dec 16

Reply #614715

re: Jaron Johnson released

I don't like the "coming weeks" part of that article... surely they'd need to be halfway here on a plane already if you're going to cut JJ.


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Dazz
Last year
22:28 23 Dec 16

Reply #614718

re: Jaron Johnson released

Plus, if Prather keeps getting better, he won't be back next season, and they'll wish they kept JJ.


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ChairmanOfTheBored
Last year
22:28 23 Dec 16

Reply #614719

re: Jaron Johnson released

This is fucken ridiculous! Gotta feel for the guy. Did they copy and paste a line from the original statement two months ago?


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TimberBall
Last year
22:30 23 Dec 16

Reply #614720

re: Jaron Johnson released

'See out the rest of the 16/17 season in a wildcats singlet' ??? What does that mean surely he won't stay on our list or we can't sign another import.


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koberulz
Last year
22:31 23 Dec 16

Reply #614721

re: Jaron Johnson released

That's a quote from when he was re-signed after the first time he was released.


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TimberBall
Last year
22:32 23 Dec 16

Reply #614722

re: Jaron Johnson released

Ah got it. Thanks


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Anonymous
Last year
22:36 23 Dec 16

Reply #614723

re: Jaron Johnson released

WTF? He was just playing better. What exactly are they going to replace him with at this point?

Merry Christmas Jaron. Disgusting


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Dazz
Last year
22:38 23 Dec 16

Reply #614724

re: Jaron Johnson released

There's a bit of a break now over Christmas, but yes, got to line-up soon (and then not get injured) to qualify for the finals (although at this point the Cats would just be happy to MAKE the finals.)

Interesting to see not only who but WHAT the new player is?
Combo guard is the obvious choice, somebody like a Randle, Ware, or even Lisch.

But I also wonder if maybe they just found themselves a gun import and needed the slot. A High-scoring forward perhaps???


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Anonymous
Last year
22:39 23 Dec 16

Reply #614726

re: Jaron Johnson released

for you guys fuming they cant easily replace under-performing Australians. Anyone half decent is already with a club.

I would love them to cut hire or redhage and bring lucas walker in but that's probably not easy to do.

The glaring problem is we need our own Randal or Ware who can score as well as create. You can either cut Prather, Jameel, or Johnson. In recent weeks though I was thinking Jameel probably was under-performing from the score line and should go.


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Rass Posse
Last year
22:39 23 Dec 16

Reply #614728

re: Jaron Johnson released

Please be Yogi Ferrell !!!!!


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Anonymous
Last year
22:39 23 Dec 16

Reply #614729

re: Jaron Johnson released

How many games do you have to play to be eligible for the playoffs? I assume that's the goal for making this move now. Johnson being made a scapegoat.

Honestly as a long time cat fan I could handle the losing this year. Its a tough league and it's not easy to win. But their treatment of one of the good guys leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:41 23 Dec 16

Reply #614731

re: Jaron Johnson released

The replacement must be a point guard. The Martin injury is hurting them badly having to trot out Kenny and wroe. If they bring in another wing it makes no sense as Johnson was hitting his straps of late


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Anonymous
Last year
22:43 23 Dec 16

Reply #614732

re: Jaron Johnson released

What's a smuck Dazz?


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Anonymous
Last year
22:46 23 Dec 16

Reply #614735

re: Jaron Johnson released

"for you guys fuming they cant easily replace under-performing Australians. Anyone half decent is already with a club."

Yeah, but Johnson was playing well. If they're going to get improvement out of replacing him, it will need to be with an absolute star - how many of those are available at the moment?


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Bill on the ball
Last year
22:47 23 Dec 16

Reply #614736

re: Jaron Johnson released


Hooley Mac! This is really below the belt for poor JJ.

Each time, he does well he gets chopped. Nick Marvin must have succumbed to coaches demands.

It would be travesty of justice if the next guy they pick does worse.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:48 23 Dec 16

Reply #614737

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Merry Christmas JJ.

What a fuck up.

All I can say is that they better have Ware or Randle's twin lined up. If its some other smuck, I'm going down to kick some ass.

Look sure, he wasn't a good fit, but fuck that is a miserable way to treat somebody. Sack them, call em back, then sack em again 2 days before Christmas.

Why not a month ago???

Unless they have a deadest champion lined up, its not going to make enough difference at this point.

Watch this space I guess."

Great post by Dazz. I had become somewhat resigned that we would miss the playoffs this year, but one of the things I was enjoying was Johnson slowly turning into a very good player. I was actually hoping he would continue to grow over the second half of the season and maybe come back next year.


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Hoopster
Last year
22:48 23 Dec 16

Reply #614738

re: Jaron Johnson released

"It's going to be a delight to have a playoffs series without the Wildcats this season"
Keep dreaming, we've played 1 game less than 3 teams in the top 4 & 3 games less than Sydney who are 3rd.
Plus the cats have a heap of home games in the new year.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:50 23 Dec 16

Reply #614739

re: Jaron Johnson released

"how many of those are available at the moment?"
Thousands. Just need the right contacts. Why not talk to the agent that sold the Dleague guy. Clearly he's connected and Head Office knows what they r doing ;)


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Anonymous
Last year
22:55 23 Dec 16

Reply #614740

re: Jaron Johnson released

Would be funny if the replacement is Andre Ingram


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Dazz
Last year
23:17 23 Dec 16

Reply #614741

re: Jaron Johnson released

Schmuck


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Dazz
Last year
23:21 23 Dec 16

Reply #614742

re: Jaron Johnson released

Ideally needs to be a high-scoring combo guard.
Another straight PG will leave them short on points and be redundant when Damo comes back

I'd assume that they already have somebody lined out, that they have been looking for months and finally nailed someone. Needs to be awesome though.

And I still think they could have handled it better.

At this point in the season, are they required to pay out the balance of JJ's contract? Hope so.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:21 23 Dec 16

Reply #614743

re: Jaron Johnson released

Isaac, their exact wording was they 'intend' to keep jaron for the remainder of the season


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BOL
Last year
23:27 23 Dec 16

Reply #614745

re: Jaron Johnson released

Its the right move.

But its two months too late.

Wtf are you doing Marvin!


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Cats Streak in Trouble
Last year
23:33 23 Dec 16

Reply #614748

re: Jaron Johnson released

JJ played well against Adelaide and was improving over the course of the season. When he was released the first time I was pleased and then when he returned after the Ingram debacle I thought it was a mistake and that the Cats organisation panicked. The problem isn't JJ's ability, it's that Kenny, Wroe or Bragg aren't up to leading the point in a league of this quality.
Kenny is a good three point shooter, but often doesn't take open looks when he should. He's a decent defender but gets in foul trouble and can be caught off guard by quicker players. Wroe can defend but his offensive game is lacking big time and spends way too much time with the ball before passing it. Bragg is just a young, inexperienced player who has pace and may one day be a solid player but is at least a couple of years away from that.
So as messed up as this decision is, unfortunately it's still the right call. My only thinking of why it has taken so damn long is that the club must have been waiting on a particular player.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:42 23 Dec 16

Reply #614750

re: Jaron Johnson released

Any potential candidates out there


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Anonymous
Last year
23:44 23 Dec 16

Reply #614751

re: Jaron Johnson released

Its funny when the Cats sacked Johnson the first time they said it was for balance, but pointed to three point shooting as what was lacking. What we've seen since is that Johnson is a very adequate 3pt shooter and a decent secondary scorer, so that theory was wrong. But since then, Damo has gone down and the Cats have been exposed to woeful play at the PG position which has forced their hand.

If the Cats now bring in another spot up shooter like Ingram I will be truly scratching my head. The replacement must be a stud and preferably one that can create off the dribble at a high level.


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Lindsay
Last year
00:03 24 Dec 16

Reply #614757

re: Jaron Johnson released

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess...
It's just not been our season in so many ways. But as has been said, the streak was always going to end sooner or later. If it was any other team, I have no doubt JJ would've stayed and they would've just done their best to work with what they have, IMO. But the Wildcats culture means they won't do that. I admire Marvin and co's commitment to excellence, but I feel bad that JJ's paid the price for their poor choices. The sooner they accept the fate and focus on rebuilding instead of looking for a quick-fix, the sooner we get back to the top of the ladder IMO. I mean these guys like Knight, Martin and Wagstaff are getting on and won't be around forever, and in some cases are becoming (or are) quite injury-prone as well. For example, and don't get me wrong I think he's great for what he does, but Greg Hire is the sort of guy that adds rebounding/hustle tenacity off the bench when the other four on the floor aren't having trouble putting points on the board collectively. Doesn't work so well when you're relying on the starting SF to carry the scoring load.


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cats 4 life
Last year
00:11 24 Dec 16

Reply #614759

re: Jaron Johnson released

Sad night as a Wildcats member, great guy. This is disgusting! No respect and no class, far cry from a club that always been a team that has respected it's player's and supporters.

What ever happens from here on, I've lost a lot of respect for what they have done to jj. Should of no reactivated him in the first place.

This move next will decide if we go top four or we get our first spoon. the next guy that comes in will have all eyes on him and judging every move.


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Perth fan
Last year
00:15 24 Dec 16

Reply #614761

re: Jaron Johnson released

A fan of the cats since 87 and all I can say is WTF! So disappointed in their decision making this year. I've seen the sacking of Black, then Bruton, and Trevor Torrance (lol). In all those, I don't think I was as flabbergasted as the sacking of Johnson (this time especially). I can't believe a club that I have been a
Member of since 1990, who I think the world of, would treat a player like this days before Christmas.
Yes, Johnson was wrong fit- but he has played his heart out since being reinstated. Injuries to key players haven't helped and obviously the pressure from an aging and ailing Bendat is mounting with the team at the bottom of the ladder, but in all honesty- why use Johnson as the scapegoat. Love Wagstaff and Kenny but the boys have underperformed. Don't get me started on Wroe. Wildcats biggest mistake at start of season was not recruiting another key Aussie guard and allowing Redhage to re-sign. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is the problem- it's just our coach hasn't used him effectively. We have a 3 point specialist in DKD yet he rides the pine most of the night.
The subs have been shite! Wagstaff has had that many brain fades this season it's a joke.
Oh well, I can only hope the likes of a Randle or Ware is around the corner.
Really hope management know what they are doing. #feelingskeptical


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Train
Last year
00:22 24 Dec 16

Reply #614762

re: Jaron Johnson released

Unfortunate, but Perth need to do something to keep their season alive.

@Isaac - I don't have the direct quote but pretty sure it was that "It was their intent to keep Johnson for the season". Thats very open to interpretation.

I don't know why this is so surprising to people though, he's been coming off the bench and its well documented that he was never the right fit. I just hope whoever they replace him with is an absolute gun and I would say it would be a combo guard to help Kenny out with PG duties and free up Prather.

Perth had to make changes or not make the finals, its simple as that. I really wouldn't be surprised to see Redhage retire in favour of Walker. Not even McKay is safe.


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Bill on the ball
Last year
00:26 24 Dec 16

Reply #614763

re: Jaron Johnson released

The Wildcats will replace Johnson in the coming weeks, says the Wildcats' website.

Weeks? Wtf? We might as well call an end to the season as we will lose the next three to four games.

What difference does it make if we keep JJ? At least, we keep our integrity since we promised JJ be will be kept for the rest of the year.


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Mike
Last year
00:29 24 Dec 16

Reply #614765

re: Jaron Johnson released

WHAT. THE. FUCK.


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Train
Last year
00:30 24 Dec 16

Reply #614766

re: Jaron Johnson released

I'd say they already have someone lined up. It doesn't male sense to release hm unless they have someone else ready to go by X date.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:34 24 Dec 16

Reply #614767

re: Jaron Johnson released

If the replacement isn't here for the next game Marvin must go


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Mike
Last year
00:38 24 Dec 16

Reply #614769

re: Jaron Johnson released

Dick Marvin, as long as you are still employed, some part of the Cats will always be dead to me


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Train
Last year
00:44 24 Dec 16

Reply #614770

re: Jaron Johnson released

Perth are at the bottom of the ladder, it might seem like a dick move from Marvin but from a business perspective its the right move. He should never of been "re-activated" in the first place. I know it sounds cold and harsh but something had to give. If Perth can snag a Ware or a Randle then its the right move.


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Mike
Last year
00:50 24 Dec 16

Reply #614772

re: Jaron Johnson released

The import will be replaced 'in the coming weeks'

Doesn't sound immediate does it?


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Johnson
Last year
00:50 24 Dec 16

Reply #614773

re: Jaron Johnson released

Perth are getting desperate and are starting to shit themselves with the thought of missing the playoffs.I don't like the Wildcats but they place the blame on JJ when they need Brandt,Hire,Redhage,Kenny and Wagstaff to step up.Gleeson needs to step also with him playing Wroe more than Bragg is a mystery .Surely they won't bring Cedric Jackson in who doesn't have points in him.He's a penetrater that opens up scoring options for others but that will be useless cause they can't put ball in the basket


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Train
Last year
00:53 24 Dec 16

Reply #614775

re: Jaron Johnson released

Cedric Jackson won't help this team. They need a combo guard who can flat out sore and take the attention off Prather but can also play the PG so they can stop relying on Wroe and Bragg.


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Luuuc
Last year
01:06 24 Dec 16

Reply #614776

re: Jaron Johnson released

How embarrassment.


I know the life of imports can be harsh, but damn, this really takes the cake.
The Wildcats had better have someone pretty special lined up to justify this level of fuckery.

All the best to JJ. He seems like a quality guy, who deserves better than this.


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HoldenV8
Last year
04:03 24 Dec 16

Reply #614777

re: Jaron Johnson released

If the Wildcats want someone who can shoot the 3 I hear Scott Christopherson is available :P

Seriously though, strange move releasing Johnson. He was arguable Perth's best player in Thursday night's loss.


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Wilson Sting
Last year
08:47 24 Dec 16

Reply #614783

re: Jaron Johnson released

It's no surprise to me that the three teams who have mucked around most with their imports are sitting on the bottom of the ladder (PER, MEL) or riding a 4 game losing streak (SYD).

And the teams with the stable imports are sitting on top of the ladder.

Work through your problems SYD, MEL and PER, stop looking for a quick fix.


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AC
Last year
08:57 24 Dec 16

Reply #614785

re: Jaron Johnson released

^^^

Aside from the Ced axing, which in hindsight has been for the better, United have been struck with a few injuries


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KET
Last year
09:27 24 Dec 16

Reply #614787

re: Jaron Johnson released

One can only assume Perth have a star lined up.

This begs the questions:

Should teams be able to change their players mid-season without an injury waiver?

There is potential for the four richer clubs in Perth/NZ/Melb/Syd to just buy better players mid-season if they aren't playing well. It exemplifies the idea of buying a championship.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:27 24 Dec 16

Reply #614788

re: Jaron Johnson released

Thanks JJ, one of the good guys!




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Anonymous
Last year
09:42 24 Dec 16

Reply #614794

re: Jaron Johnson released

"One can only assume Perth have a star lined up."

A dangerous assumption.

Exhibit A: Andre Ingram.


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KET
Last year
09:51 24 Dec 16

Reply #614795

re: Jaron Johnson released

Haha, well it's not really Perths year I guess


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Anonymous
Last year
10:19 24 Dec 16

Reply #614801

re: Jaron Johnson released

They needed a scoring point guard when they lost Beal last year. So really the bad decisions started in the offseason. (along with keeping Hire, Redhage, Wagstaff intact and not freshening the team like other teams did)


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Brunson
Last year
10:27 24 Dec 16

Reply #614803

re: Jaron Johnson released

Some great highlights in the video.

Cairns, Sydney and Brisbane could use him


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LV
Last year
11:09 24 Dec 16

Reply #614807

re: Jaron Johnson released

So JJ has been "released" not de activated this time?

Let's say Perth somehow qualifies for playoffs, and Prather or any other import gets injured, does this mean JJ can't return?

Also re Melbourne, if one of their imports were to get injured on the Eve of the playoffs. Would they be able to bring Devin Williams back?


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Perth Wilburs
Last year
11:23 24 Dec 16

Reply #614810

re: Jaron Johnson released

Wildcats will be signing Ryan Broekhoff


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Anonymous
Last year
11:28 24 Dec 16

Reply #614811

re: Jaron Johnson released

McKay was lucky Brandt and the other bigs on the cats havent been playing well. He might have been cut instead had they been playing well.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:36 24 Dec 16

Reply #614818

re: Jaron Johnson released

Huge signing, Perth Wilburs - any source?


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Mike
Last year
12:59 24 Dec 16

Reply #614821

re: Jaron Johnson released

'Wildcats will be signing Ryan Broekhoff'

Srs?


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Watto
Last year
13:32 24 Dec 16

Reply #614823

re: Jaron Johnson released

You wouldn't release an import to sign an Aussie


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56
Last year
13:48 24 Dec 16

Reply #614824

re: Jaron Johnson released

Perth to sign Nate Robinson


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koberulz
Last year
14:57 24 Dec 16

Reply #614830

re: Jaron Johnson released

Wildcats will be signing Ryan Broekhoff


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James
Last year
16:56 24 Dec 16

Reply #614833

re: Jaron Johnson released

If the Cats get broekhoff that is a season defining move that could put them right back in the title hunt.


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Captain Jack
Last year
17:16 24 Dec 16

Reply #614834

re: Jaron Johnson released

If Broekhoff rumours are true, they should also grab a import pg/combo guard too, even a cheap one and that will balance out there roster nicely.


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JR
Last year
17:22 24 Dec 16

Reply #614835

re: Jaron Johnson released

Common sense seems that they have someone waiting on the wings.
There next game is 31st Dec so now is the time to swing in a player and have at least 3-4 practices before the next game.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:23 24 Dec 16

Reply #614836

re: Jaron Johnson released

I'm another long term wildcats fan and spend the big bucks on gold seating for my wife and myself.

I'm utterly embarrassed and shocked at the decision to get rid of JJ. Poor bastard and just before Xmas to boot!!!! I feel so sorry for the man. I wasn't hugely impressed at the start of the season. But to forget all the crap that has been thrown his way and persevere at what he knows and finally start to show us what's he's got is just plain shocking for us and I'm sure hugely disappointing for JJ.

It's not his fault he's too much like Prather. After all. He was the one who was recruited. The wildcats knew his game and his strengths and weaknesses. Just have a look on YouTube.

We are the laughing stock of the league. Would any new import feel safe? I don't know.

Like I said. I spend a heap of money supporting the wildcats. That makes me a share holder by proxy. Is this the way I want my money spent? Should I continue to support such inept management? Especially as what Gleeson said. It's the senior Aussie players that need to step up, the imports are doing great. If I was Redditch, wagstaff and hire. I'd be watching my back because I can sense a major cull of not performing players in the off season. Some players, IMHO, are relying on the fact they may have played well 3 or 4 years ago. But the league has stepped up notch or two.

Mic dropped and rant over.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:47 24 Dec 16

Reply #614838

re: Jaron Johnson released

The cats aren't getting broekhoff


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Anonymous
Last year
17:49 24 Dec 16

Reply #614839

re: Jaron Johnson released

Save that gif for when we miss the olayoffs


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Anonymous
Last year
17:49 24 Dec 16

Reply #614840

re: Jaron Johnson released

You guys do realize broekhoff still has 2 years left on his current contract with Lokomotiv Kuban.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:52 24 Dec 16

Reply #614841

re: Jaron Johnson released

That rant didn't deserve a mic drop.

You are a paying customer. Jokes on you if you feel you have any say.

Don't like it. Don't get a membership. That's he only way you can make your feelings be known.

Getting rid of Johnson it's the right move. It's just too late and handled poorly.

If signing Broekof is true then we shoulda dumped hire or wagstaff or Redhage.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:56 24 Dec 16

Reply #614842

re: Jaron Johnson released

It...isn't....broekoff....


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Luuuc
Last year
18:01 24 Dec 16

Reply #614843

re: Jaron Johnson released

Are you sure? A quality player breaking a contract with a Eurocup team mid-season to go play in the NBL seems like such a likely scenario to me, as does the Wildcats chasing a SF to help fill their deficiencies in the backcourt. It feels like destiny to me.


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Duke Fan
Last year
18:01 24 Dec 16

Reply #614844

re: Jaron Johnson released

The funniest thing is that for all the heartbreaking sentiment in this thread......if Perth bring in someone decent and push their way into the playoffs it will be Jaron who???


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Anonymous
Last year
18:12 24 Dec 16

Reply #614845

re: Jaron Johnson released

Thank you Luuuc finally someone with some common sense!


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Anonymous
Last year
18:28 24 Dec 16

Reply #614846

re: Jaron Johnson released

"The funniest thing is that for all the heartbreaking sentiment in this thread......if Perth bring in someone decent and push their way into the playoffs it will be Jaron who???"

Bringing in a star who turns the teams fortunes will be the only way to justify this move. If they pull it off, then you have to say well done.

But, with everything, it's risk/reward. You'll note a lot of fans can see what management is trying to do, but many have asked "why now?".

Johnson wasn't really our main problem, I'd point more to the point guard play. I see it unlikely that they're able to bring in someone good enough to change the team's fortunes this late.

Hence, they've taken a big risk to their reputation and how they treat their players for what appears to be minimal upside.

Even if they didn't make the play-offs, the improvement of JJ had the potential to be a feel-good story of the season and maybe carry into future seasons.



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Anonymous
Last year
18:31 24 Dec 16

Reply #614847

re: Jaron Johnson released

@koberulz' gif - even if it's true, he's not *that* good.

Would definitely be the type of move that would be good for the Cats though. Getting quality, young Aussie talent and someone who is a strong perimeter threat and can operate well off the ball.

But his weakness is his off-the-dribble game, so that wouldn't address the horrific point guard play the Cats are currently getting.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:35 24 Dec 16

Reply #614848

re: Jaron Johnson released

The problem is with our local players and what they've been able to produce on the offensive end. Hire, Redhage, Brandt and wagstaff have had no impact on the offensive end, knight has been terrible the last few games, lucky for them there aren't any quality aussies available to replace them. Before the start of the season it was obvious that we were going to need more offensive production off the bench, the cats loyalty to their local guys is their downfall.


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AKA
Last year
19:02 24 Dec 16

Reply #614850

re: Jaron Johnson released

Things aren't all as they seem....


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cats 4 life
Last year
19:08 24 Dec 16

Reply #614851

re: Jaron Johnson released

They are one win and one loss outside the top four, just need to string a couple wins and they are back in the hunt.

Just need a spark to get them playing.


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Hoopster
Last year
19:25 24 Dec 16

Reply #614853

re: Jaron Johnson released

Yup cats 4 life, As I stated in this thread. We've played 1 game less than 3 teams in the top 4 & 3 games less than Sydney who are 3rd.
Plus the cats have a heap of home games in the new year.
Plus Martin coming back (won't be 100%) & other players can only get better as most are down atm.
Too many people writing us off too soon.


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Dazz
Last year
20:13 24 Dec 16

Reply #614855

re: Jaron Johnson released

There are two distinguishable issues.
I think most of us accept that JJ is not a good fit for what the Cats need from an import.

Then, I think most of us also agree that this was a shitty way to treat JJ.
Cats should have made the right choice from the start,
or should have stuck with it the first time they sacked him. Sacking him again, 2 days before Christmas, is the pits.

In answer to someone's query above, the terminology means nothing. They can only re-sign JJ for a "season-ending injury"
So yes, if Prather went down on the eve of play-offs (for the rest of the season) they could theoretically recall JJ.
Oh how I would love to listen in to Trevor making that phone-call.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:52 24 Dec 16

Reply #614856

re: Jaron Johnson released

Wildcats have 5 home games left... you have already played 9


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Anonymous
Last year
21:59 24 Dec 16

Reply #614859

re: Jaron Johnson released

"There are two distinguishable issues.
I think most of us accept that JJ is not a good fit for what the Cats need from an import."

Whilst Damian Martin is injured, yes. If Martin is available then I think Johnson's fit is fine.

Which makes it weirder that they would do this now when Martin's return is now in sight.


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Freethrows
Last year
22:07 24 Dec 16

Reply #614860

re: Jaron Johnson released

If JJ was cut because he's not right for team balance, why would they sign Broekhoff? He's another SF, FFS!


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Freethrows
Last year
22:12 24 Dec 16

Reply #614861

re: Jaron Johnson released

It was a shitty move to cut JJ again, especially just before Christmas. If they've cut him to sign Broekhoff, they should be pilloried from pillar to post.

I'm sure they will sign an import combo guard, it's the only thing they could do without becoming complete pariahs. Perth are pricks, potentially.


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whitewind
Last year
22:31 24 Dec 16

Reply #614862

re: Jaron Johnson released

how many games does a player need to play to be eligable for finals? IS it 8? 12 games for Perth remain. Whoever it is will need to suit up for every game and not get injured...


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Anonymous
Last year
22:34 24 Dec 16

Reply #614863

harry

Ced Jackson cant shoot or play the 2. Unless Damo is going to be out longer then first thought he makes no sense. Same with Broekhoff who is a SF. Perth needs scoring and lots of it.


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GordonG
Last year
23:07 24 Dec 16

Reply #614870

re: Jaron Johnson released

8 games for finals eligibility


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Dazz
Last year
23:16 24 Dec 16

Reply #614871

re: Jaron Johnson released

I highly doubt they are signing Broekhoff, but anything's possible.
If that was the case, he would not be the direct replacement, but axing JJ WOULD make sense.

Broekhoff is a 2/3. We already have th ebest SF in the league in Prather, and Sadly JJ has proven to be too similar. If an Australia of Broekhoff's calibre got cut in Europe, he'd be an attractive option for any team, but the last thing you want is 3 "starters" all filling the same role.
So particularly if Damo's return is delayed, they might chase a combo guard, or even a PG as their 3rd import.
So Redhage retires, and you get a line-up of say
Jackson / Kenny
Prather / DKD
Broekhoff / Hire
Knight / Wagstaff
McKay / Brandt

BUT I don't think any of that is going to happen. LOL. Wait and see.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:12 25 Dec 16

Reply #614874

re: Jaron Johnson released

You are living in a sweet fantasy land if you believe Perth are getting Jackson and Broekhoff...


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Anonymous
Last year
00:15 25 Dec 16

Reply #614876

re: Jaron Johnson released

Dazz, you are a clown loool


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Anonymous
Last year
01:52 25 Dec 16

Reply #614885

re: Jaron Johnson released

Archie Goodwin.


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Anonymous
Last year
02:15 25 Dec 16

Reply #614886

re: Jaron Johnson released

Things aren't as they seem, cats has no choice but to release johnson, i'm sure the story will come out soon


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koberulz
Last year
02:27 25 Dec 16

Reply #614888

re: Jaron Johnson released

@koberulz' gif - even if it's true, he's not *that* good.
The gif is several traumatised fans watching the end of a famous streak. You seem to have taken the exact opposite of the intended meaning.


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Anonymous
Last year
03:12 25 Dec 16

Reply #614891

re: Jaron Johnson released

Goodwin was a name on my radar. Hopefully that's true


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proud
Last year
08:51 25 Dec 16

Reply #614897

re: Jaron Johnson released

Goodwin's NBA stats say that he struggled from 3 so I'd rather not get him and Yogi Ferrell doesn't seem the right fit either... hopefully we get a real stud that can take pressure off of Prather and help the rest of us.

Also worth noting that Angus Brandt in previous seasons has played terribly until Christmas and then become a good player in the new year... its time for him to shine


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Indominos-Rex
Last year
14:50 25 Dec 16

Reply #614921

re: Jaron Johnson released

@proud in year one Brandt was struggling with knee problems and in year two Khazzouh was injured a bit before christmas which explains why Brandt started to play better in those years.


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Dazz
Last year
20:59 25 Dec 16

Reply #614955

re: Jaron Johnson released

I highly doubt they are signing Broekhoff
I don't think any of that is going to happen. LOL. Wait and see
You are living in a sweet fantasy land if you believe Perth are getting Jackson and Broekhoff
I'd rather be "in Fantasy Land" than be an Imbecile who can't read basic English.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:07 25 Dec 16

Reply #614959

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Broekhoff is a 2/3"

there is no way in hell he is a 2 in this league.


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Some Anonymous Twat
Last year
21:11 25 Dec 16

Reply #614960

re: Jaron Johnson released

Things aren't as they seem, cats has no choice but to release johnson, i'm sure the story will come out soon
Actually I heard exactly the opposite.
The Wildcats have the opportunity to sign an absolute super-star, and Johnson volunteered to be de-listed, because he was homesick and wanted to return to America to be with family.

My story actually has a shred of credibility because it has a slim basis in fact (he does have family in America) and because its not so easily and obviously disproven.

There is nothing, short of criminal activity, that would cause the Wildcats to drop him at this point.
AND if he had engaged in criminal behaviour, the Police would be involved, it would be reported on, and there would be no point in the Cats lying.

Frankly I am sick of dickless trolls using this forum to defame and libel good people.


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Dazz
Last year
21:17 25 Dec 16

Reply #614962

re: Jaron Johnson released

there is no way in hell he is a 2 in this league.
Ah, the irony of stupidity.
Apart from the obvious point that I said he was a 2/3, not a 2, the fact is that he would be easily good enough to play either role in the NBL.

Maybe one day we'll get to see, but it won't be any time soon.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:20 25 Dec 16

Reply #614963

re: Jaron Johnson released

Well said Twat, well said. It's just like the rumour starters about Ingram, who some mentioned had dabbled in "Pinder-esque" activities in his week here.

Why would you cover that up if you're Perth? This whole saga has made them look like idiots, if they'd had to de-list Ingram and/or Johnson because of off-court issues, then they'd look a whole lot better than being indecisive and treating players poorly.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:39 25 Dec 16

Reply #614967

re: Jaron Johnson released

Dazz just knows it all. QED.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:44 25 Dec 16

Reply #614969

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Goodwin's NBA stats say that he struggled from 3 so I'd rather not get him"

NBA stats are not necessarily a good guide of what they'll do in the NBL. Context is everything when analysing stats.

Casper ware would've put up crappy stats but is dominating the NBL because his combination of skills is rare here.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:32 25 Dec 16

Reply #614972

re: Jaron Johnson released

"The gif is several traumatised fans watching the end of a famous streak. You seem to have taken the exact opposite of the intended meaning."

What did you expect when you put gif after what you quoted


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Anonymous
Last year
20:02 26 Dec 16

Reply #615053

re: Jaron Johnson released

Johnson has posted a short "thank you" picture on Instagram to the Red army. Greg Whittington one of the commentors!


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Dazz
Last year
01:48 28 Dec 16

Reply #615174

re: Jaron Johnson released

Why do people give ANY credence to these gormless Trolls???
I mean seriously, the internet is largely anonymous anyway, this board even allows users to be almost completely anonymous, yet none of these twats who claim to know will dare to clarify what they claim to know.

Any fuckwit can claim "they had to let him go" without actually knowing jack shit. That way, it doesn't matter if it turns out he was a terrorist, or he left because his Grandma is ill, the fuckwit can still claim to be right.
Worse still, years later, when NOTHING has "come to light" they can still persist with the same puerile claims.

So here's the challenge to all wannabe anonytrolls. If you believe JJ "had to be let go" due to something he did, state your case, or shut the fuck up.

Because otherwise, here's what we actually know:
JJ was not a good fit.
The Cats sacked him for "not being a good fit."


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Anonymous
Last year
02:31 28 Dec 16

Reply #615175

re: Jaron Johnson released

hey genius do u think that an empty chair is a better player then johnson because that is what it would mean if the team did not have a replacement ready to go before sacking him. that is crazy of course so in other words something has caught them off guard.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:53 28 Dec 16

Reply #615178

re: Jaron Johnson released

Still waiting for that official NBL statement...


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paul
Last year
10:07 28 Dec 16

Reply #615182

re: Jaron Johnson released

Quality highlight reel put together up above by Nick Tan. Most players would be happy with that in a season. Johnson was a bit raw but he certainly was starting to show what he was capable of more consistently.


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Just
Last year
02:14 29 Dec 16

Reply #615340

re: Jaron Johnson released

Johnson has averaged 13.14 points per game (14th in the league) at 42.6% from the field (38.3% 3PT), 71.3% FT%, 4.57 rebounds, 1.79 assists.

Compare that to his predecessor Beal, who this season is averaging 12.39 points per game (18th in the league) at 39.1% from the field (33% 3PT), 82.3% FT%, 2.61 rebounds, 2.06 assists.

Seems Johnson has stacked up pretty well, statistically at least.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:13 29 Dec 16

Reply #615352

re: Jaron Johnson released

Johnson has probably put up those numbers in less minutes too. I'd say over the past four games his numbers are probably approaching the star level.

Johnson was turning out to be a fine player but he's not someone you build around, he's more like the gravy on top. Wildcats needed more of a building block type player


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Anonymous
Last year
10:32 29 Dec 16

Reply #615357

re: Jaron Johnson released

Beal was/us not very good. He just arsed a huge game every now and then and we lucky enough to do it in a GF series once.He just would have been a better fit for Perth in their current situation.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:05 29 Dec 16

Reply #615360

re: Jaron Johnson released

Oh that's right you told us last season.


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Anonymous
Last year
12:30 29 Dec 16

Reply #615373

re: Jaron Johnson released

I've been saying it for a lot longer than last season.inconsistent chucked. Average import.


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fstos
Last year
12:34 29 Dec 16

Reply #615375

re: Jaron Johnson released

By the way the two Beal posts were me.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
13:56 6 Jan 17

Reply #616730

re: Jaron Johnson released

Things aren't as they seem, cats has no choice but to release johnson, i'm sure the story will come out soon
This is along the lines of the rumour I heard too. That it was not based on fit or on-court performance.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
14:36 6 Jan 17

Reply #616737

re: Jaron Johnson released

Did you hear that rumor from an anon on here, by any chance?


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Dazz
Earlier this year
17:08 6 Jan 17

Reply #616747

re: Jaron Johnson released

Meh, trolls can't even keep their rumours straight.
At this point, unless somebody is prepared to man up and actually make a claim, I'm not really interested.
"Things are not as they seem" WTF does that even mean???
"Perth had no choice." Wrong, they always have a choice. Unless he got deported by the Feds or locked up by the cops.
"NBL knows the full story." Pigs Arse
As if the Cats would trust the NBL to keep a secret.
Cats weren't happy with him, and took the opportunity to replace him with a better option when Cotton became available. THAT's how things "seem".
Remember, "not a good fit," covers everything from on-court mechanics, bad attitude, to personal hygiene.

If somebody wants to make a contrary claim, rather than just spout gibberish, I'm all ears.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
17:16 6 Jan 17

Reply #616748

re: Jaron Johnson released

If Isaac takes it seriously, I'm inclined to take it seriously. The delay in signing Cotton points in that direction as well.

Though obviously the press release from the NBL hasn't eventuated.


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leungtl
Earlier this year
17:30 6 Jan 17

Reply #616750

re: Jaron Johnson released

If we hadn't secured the services of Cotton prior to releasing Johnson, then we are very VERY fortunate.

I guess the rumour also has legs because Johnson hung around to train in Perth the first time he was released - he was back in Houston within days this time around.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
17:36 6 Jan 17

Reply #616751

re: Jaron Johnson released

If we hadn't secured the services of Cotton prior to releasing Johnson, then we are very VERY fortunate.
If we had, he'd have played last weekend.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:41 6 Jan 17

Reply #616752

re: Jaron Johnson released

While some things seem a bit odd about it making me think there could have been another reason behind it, I'm still a bit sceptical mainly because I just don't get why the Cats would fully try to cover what ever it is up. Sure depending on what he did they don't need to say all the details but they could have said something happened. They might have wanted to protect the look of the culture at the club and not have a potential 'scandal', but imo with the import circus we've had this year it would have been better then just sacking him again for no apparent reason. A lot of fans weren't happy with the decision and lost respect for the club, but if there was a reason behind it they would have been more understanding of the decision the club made.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:47 6 Jan 17

Reply #616755

re: Jaron Johnson released

The post above sums up why the scandal rumour has no credibility. What benefit is there to covering it up if there was indeed a scandalous reason? As it currently stands the Johnson "sacked twice" saga just makes the cats look like an indecisive, unprofessional organisation.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:50 6 Jan 17

Reply #616756

re: Jaron Johnson released

If there was a genuine reason that was out of their control then the cats could've absolved themselves from that blame.

A lot of non basketball fans asked me "what the heck is going on there/what are they doing" in relation to the sack twice thing

Brand damage which the cats were happy to incur apparently, according to the "rumours", which the NBL will clarify in a statement two weeks ago


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:55 6 Jan 17

Reply #616758

re: Jaron Johnson released

"As it currently stands the Johnson "sacked twice" saga just makes the cats look like an indecisive, unprofessional organisation."

Agreed, it just made the club look very unprofessional and management a bit of a joke so I don't see why use that reason to cover up. They may have wanted to protect JJ for what ever reason, but if he did something bad enough to get the sack the club owes him nothing and shouldn't have had their reputation as a respected and professional organisation tarnished more because of him.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:57 6 Jan 17

Reply #616760

re: Jaron Johnson released

Unless of course the scandal is more embarrassing and damaging to their future recruiting ability than the releasing due to poor on court performance (or team fit).

Think about it


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Zodiac
Earlier this year
18:10 6 Jan 17

Reply #616761

re: Jaron Johnson released

I'm another that doesn't buy the 'scandal' stuff, occam's razor and all that. The Wildcats have made themselves look like rank amateurs this season with the deactivating of JJ, signing & releasing Ingram on spurious grounds supposedly another scandal, re-activating JJ and now punting JJ a second time so logic suggests if there really was some scandalous reason he had to be cut again they would've at the very least put it out there on the quiet rather than make their club look like the tin pot operation it currently does.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:15 6 Jan 17

Reply #616763

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Unless of course the scandal is more embarrassing and damaging to their future recruiting ability than the releasing due to poor on court performance (or team fit).

Think about it"

I've thought about it and it still doesn't make sense. If it was out of their control then why would it hurt their future recruiting?

If anything the story that we know if is more damaging. On face value it looks like they've d1cked JJ around. What import would like to be subject to that?

Check the wildcats Twitter responses to the release. Sorry, what you say doesn't add up and the league hasn't said anything either. You have no credibility


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:18 6 Jan 17

Reply #616765

re: Jaron Johnson released

"Unless of course the scandal is more embarrassing and damaging to their future recruiting ability than the releasing due to poor on court performance (or team fit)."

If i was a future import or recruit looking at the 2 possible scenarios:

1. Knowing the Cats are a professional and respectable organisation who once had a single import previously be part of a scandalous incident (potentially) out of the Cats control and got sacked.

2. Knowing they sacked a guy after getting a game winner and then again a second time after a 20+ point game right before Christmas and showed a lack of care for imports, lack of job security and professionalism.

I'd reckon I'd be more likely to sign with the club in scenario 1 over scenario 2


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Dazz
Earlier this year
18:36 6 Jan 17

Reply #616767

re: Jaron Johnson released

If Isaac takes it seriously, I'm inclined to take it seriously.
But takes WHAT seriously?
All Isaac said was "This is along the lines of the rumour I heard too"
WTF does that even mean?
That's my point, people just keep making vague mentiosn, which basically means that whatever transpires they can claim to be correct, when in fact it has been obvious that they know jack shit.

As I keep saying, if somebody wants to appear credible, then make a specific claim, that can be checked, refuted, analysed, and ultimately might be either proven or disproven.
Otherwise it's like a "Psychic" "predicting" a plane crash or a terrorist attack somewhere this year.

Besides, if all people are claiming is that there were "off-court" factors involved, then so what. As I said, "Fit" covers a multitude of areas. A guy not quite filling the need but working his arse off to improve, is a very different proposition to the same guy with a massive ego and attitude problem.

However people seem to be claiming there is some massive scandal, of which the NBL is aware, and that the Cats were FORCED to sack him. Well until somebody is prepared to at least claim some specifics, I'm calling BS.

he was back in Houston within days this time around.
Yeah, its called "Christmas"


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koberulz
Earlier this year
18:43 6 Jan 17

Reply #616768

re: Jaron Johnson released

That's my point, people just keep making vague mentiosn, which basically means that whatever transpires they can claim to be correct, when in fact it has been obvious that they know jack shit.
Unless nothing happens. And with 99% of import releases, nothing is exactly what happens.

Isaac doesn't strike me as the type to repeat baseless rumours, and especially not if it involves bumping an old thread.

And I highly doubt the anons making claims is a coincidence, if it does come out that something happened.

The lack of specificity is odd though. Usually people are pretty happy to release details, or at least throw out enough hints, but there's been absolutely nothing on this occasion.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
18:45 6 Jan 17

Reply #616769

re: Jaron Johnson released

And yes, Anon #616765 above makes some very good points.

As it is, the "sack him, re-hire him when injuries strike, publicly promise him the rest of the season, then sack him again two days before Christmas, makes them look incompetent, disloyal, ruthless, and untrustworthy. It has not only pissed of fans, but is not a good look when they go recruiting at Summer League next year.

Plus, if you're going to lie and cover something up, why not something that puts the Cats in a better light??? Something like the ever popular "returning to the states for family reasons" or the recently in-vogue "mental health issues."


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koberulz
Earlier this year
18:49 6 Jan 17

Reply #616770

re: Jaron Johnson released

But if it was as the Wildcats say:
1. Why did it take so long to do something everyone could see they needed to do from pre-season?
2. Why did it take them so long to sign a replacement?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:06 6 Jan 17

Reply #616772

re: Jaron Johnson released

These aren't really based off anything, just some reasonable possibilities:

1. Why did it take so long to do something everyone could see they needed to do from pre-season?

They could have thought they could make it work. Square peg in a round hole situation, eventually realised no matter how hard they tried he wasn't going to fit in the team and it had to be changed.

2. Why did it take them so long to sign a replacement?

It didn't actually take too long. We only had an import less for one game. Cotton had been rumoured for a while, there was just a delay in officially signing him. Possibly paper work issues, hard over Christmas/New Years, immigration issues, problems with his previous club etc.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:08 6 Jan 17

Reply #616774

re: Jaron Johnson released

They tried three games in and it blew up in their face. They Brought him back and knew if they sacked him again it would look bad. Maybe they were reluctant the second time for this reason but they were fast slipping out of contention so they copped the public relations hit and did something. He was also playing better and showing flashes so it wasn't that concrete that he had to go.

As for why it took so long, it took a week. That's not that long. It's feasible that they knew they had to move in a different direction so they did, even if a replacement wasn't immediately available. There is addition by subtraction. They are 3-0 without him and no the first two were not because of Andre Ingram's brilliance.

Lastly if the anon knows so much why not just say it? You're posting anonymously and you're stating apparent facts so how could you be in trouble.

More likely that you have no details to support your story


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:18 6 Jan 17

Reply #616778

re: Jaron Johnson released

I'll put this to bed once and for all. If it was out of the cats control, then it could be one of two reasons:

1 - he's broken the laws of the country. A matter for police and the judicial system, not something to be swept under the rug and allow him to fly home

2 - he's broken the laws of the league/sport. E.g. drugs. Again, no need to sweep this under the carpet and cop the PR hit in his behalf. He wouldn't have been the first or last to leave a club under these circumstances, if true.

And neither really would affect future recruiting, unless the wildcats were helping him break such rules, in which case the NBL would probably do something about it given they know the story and are "going to make a statement on it"

So, I'm pretty sceptical about Mr scandal's story


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koberulz
Earlier this year
19:18 6 Jan 17

Reply #616779

re: Jaron Johnson released

A week is ages. Remember that Jesse Sanders kept playing for Sydney back in 2014 even after they'd already signed Sam Young to replace him.

Johnson shouldn't have been released until Cotton was already locked in to play the next game.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
19:25 6 Jan 17

Reply #616781

re: Jaron Johnson released

I'll put this to bed once and for all. If it was out of the cats control, then it could be one of two reasons:
There's a third possibility: he broke club rules.

In the second category, is it possible he was somehow ineligible to play?

In fact, given the rumours surrounding Ingram, perhaps the league cottoned on to the "season-ending injury" thing, meaning Johnson couldn't return.

That would be something the league would presumably make a statement about, thus the anon's claims at the time. Why nothing would have eventuated, though, I don't know.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
17:41 9 Jan 17

Reply #617398

re: Jaron Johnson released

Did you hear that rumor from an anon on here, by any chance?
No. Good source. Though I think I'm pretty good (after 10+ years) of also knowing when an anon has good info and when they're inventing things.

Anyway, going by the rumour I heard, I think it fits with the Cats actions this season and culture too. e.g., why they made each decision when they did, and why they explained it in the way they did.

Going back to the anon talking about an NBL release, I can see why they would assume that would happen and I can also see why that may not have eventuated. The anon info on Ingram matched up with what I heard too.


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leungtl
Earlier this year
17:47 9 Jan 17

Reply #617401

re: Jaron Johnson released

So... not asking for the identity of your source, but what's stopping you from telling us exactly what you've heard?


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SteveK2
Earlier this year
18:21 9 Jan 17

Reply #617408

re: Jaron Johnson released

Hmmm possible traces but inconclusive on first release and confirmed violation on second release? Was trying to ignore this but well you really piqued my curiosity...


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Dazz
Earlier this year
19:14 9 Jan 17

Reply #617424

re: Jaron Johnson released

But if it was as the Wildcats say:
1. Why did it take so long to do something everyone could see they needed to do from pre-season?
2. Why did it take them so long to sign a replacement?

1) They did do it early. Ingram didn't work out, Martin & Kenny got injured, nobody else was available, so they re-hired JJ.
Then clearly they believed for a long time that they were still competitive enough with the squad they had.
Besides the timing of this CONFIRMS it was not a forced decision. Cotton, a player they had previously scouted, becomes available and the Cats pounced. It would be a hell of a coincidence if that just happened at the same time they were forced to sack a player who most needed replacing.
2) Meh, we've seen other teams take just as long. Besides, the delay was supposedly waiting on NBL permission. I don't know it works, is there any need to get a FIBA clearance from his Turkish team??? He left the country on the ole "family reasons" excuse, then basically told them their country was a dangerous shithole. That might have delayed the paperwork a bit.

If the Cats (or anyone else) had sacked a required player, then seemed unable to find a replacement, we'd be right to ask questions. But they sacked a guy everyone agreed needing replacing, and already had a better player lined up. I just don't see the basis for suspicion.


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Zodiac
Earlier this year
19:23 9 Jan 17

Reply #617428

re: Jaron Johnson released

I don't know it works, is there any need to get a FIBA clearance from his Turkish team???


Yes you have to get official FIBA clearance from your previous team before you can sign with another team. I dare say by seemingly walking out on his Turkish team they probably took their time getting the clearance in.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
19:27 9 Jan 17

Reply #617433

re: Jaron Johnson released

There's a third possibility: he broke club rules.
"Fit" can cover a multitude of sins. Could be they were prepared to persevere with his on-court abilities (he was still a decent scorer) but his attitude sucked.
Turning up late for training, getting on the sauce and partying late, are all no-no's, but factor into a bigger picture.

In the second category, is it possible he was somehow ineligible to play?
In fact, given the rumours surrounding Ingram, perhaps the league cottoned on to the "season-ending injury" thing, meaning Johnson couldn't return.
That would be something the league would presumably make a statement about, thus the anon's claims at the time. Why nothing would have eventuated, though, I don't know.

Nope. I don't know the exact system, but regardless of the weird terminology, when he was put back on the list, that would have required NBL approval. At that point he became eligible.

Now ever if the NBL decided to rescind that eligibility, and being bastars did it two days before Christmas, but fortuitously did it just as Cotton became available...
WHY would the Cats lie about it???
For starters, lying about anything known to the NBL (and likely to be either leaked or announced) would be insane.
And why would they paint themselves in a negative light by sacking him in such a fashion, when they have the perfect scapegoat in the NBL???
Saying "yeah we know we fucked you around, and we know we promised you the rest of the season, but you're fired, Merry Christmas" makes them look a LOT worse than if they said " those miserable Perth-hating fuckers at the NBL have rescinded your eligibility, sorry bro but there's nothing we can do."


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Dazz
Earlier this year
19:38 9 Jan 17

Reply #617440

re: Jaron Johnson released

Hmmm possible traces but inconclusive on first release and confirmed violation on second release? Was trying to ignore this but well you really piqued my curiosity...

So what you're saying is:
The one player Perth had lined up a replacement for failed a drug test.
Then his replacement cracked the shits and went home, both remaining guards got injured, and suddenly his official NBL drug-test became inconclusive.
Then as their season hit rock bottom, the player who most needed replacing just happened to fail another test, precisely at the time a player they had been scouting became available???

Then, because they trust the NBL to be a bastion of confidentiality and integrity, the Cats decided to lie through their teeth, assuming nobody at the NBL would rat them out???

Finally, rather than point out that they were blameless and the player had sealed his own fate, or even take the mutually beneficial "family reasons" excuse, the Cats painted themselves in the worst possible light, alienating not only fans but all future recruits.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
02:20 10 Jan 17

Reply #617579

re: Jaron Johnson released

Cotton was available for three weeks before Johnson was sacked.

New Zealand managed to replace David Stockton in 36 hours.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
06:48 10 Jan 17

Reply #617583

re: Jaron Johnson released

Dazz the defender of the indefensible.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
10:23 10 Jan 17

Reply #617599

re: Jaron Johnson released

^ I don't get it either.
I've heard nothing about the situation other than the official releases and the posts on this forum, and to me all the circumstantial evidence matches up pretty well with what random anons + Isaac have hinted at. So after my initial disappointment about the way JJ has "been treated" I have basically stayed silent on the matter, because it's pretty clear to me that there were other factors at play.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
10:50 10 Jan 17

Reply #617605

re: Jaron Johnson released

If the info is legit, why would the NBL rat them out? No benefit to them - just a distraction when the league is doing pretty well. And why would the Cats want the info public? Cotton comes in, they win some games, and nothing makes the papers. Why throw a player under the bus if you can avoid it? They'll survive looking awkward for firing and re-hiring. Barely anyone will remember that in a year.

Probably some decent lessons in crisis management. I doubt a club like Adelaide in years past would handle an issue like this as cleanly.


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koberulz
Earlier this year
14:46 10 Jan 17

Reply #617651

re: Jaron Johnson released

And why would the Cats want the info public?
This is a difficult question to answer without knowing what the info is. If it was, as seems to be the primary speculation, a failed drug test, I can certainly see the argument that they'd gain more by publicising than by obscuring.

And if something did happen the first time, that line about their intention being for him to see out the season seems even more bizarre.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:51 10 Jan 17

Reply #617656

re: Jaron Johnson released

"If it was, as seems to be the primary speculation, a failed drug test"

I don't know either way but the way I read the speculation was that it was different to a failed drug test. More of a police matter. That could just be me though.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
16:56 10 Jan 17

Reply #617686

re: Jaron Johnson released

An incident of that sort would just be a distraction for the league and team. NBL doesn't need that - needs to focus on the games.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:21 10 Jan 17

Reply #617695

re: Jaron Johnson released

I can buy the drugs rumour but the police one seems weird to cover up considering law enforcement would be interested in that. Same with the alleged Ingram "pinder" rumours


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KET
Earlier this year
17:23 10 Jan 17

Reply #617698

re: Jaron Johnson released

Agreed Isaac.

I can't imagine Adelaide dealing with a crisis cleanly...


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Luuuc
Last month
17:01 15 May 17

Reply #635912

re: Jaron Johnson released

Jaron Johnson sanctioned for positive drug test

ASADA announced today that Jaron Johnson has been sanctioned for a breach of the WADA Anti-Doping Code after testing positive for cannabis.
He was tested as part of regular in-competition testing after a game against the New Zealand Breakers in November 2016.


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Anonymous
Last month
17:13 15 May 17

Reply #635915

re: Jaron Johnson released

So it's finally out. I wonder if this has come out now because another team is keen to sign him and it was necessary to make public that his ban ends prior to next pre season??


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SteveK2
Last month
17:15 15 May 17

Reply #635916

re: Jaron Johnson released

And I thought WTH you're resurrecting a dead thread for? Where's Dazz?


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Lovebroker
Last month
17:19 15 May 17

Reply #635917

re: Jaron Johnson released

OK, so thats why the Wildcats had to move himn on so quickly the second time without anyone lined up. Not only did they cop a lof of flak over it, they had to do it with no option of a rebuttal (with the truth).

Perth certainly don't mess around when it comes to drugs. David Bailey, now JJ.


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Anonymous
Last month
19:06 15 May 17

Reply #635924

re: Jaron Johnson released

And Rashad Tucker.


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Anonymous
Last month
19:12 15 May 17

Reply #635925

re: Jaron Johnson released

^^^ beat me to it. but speculation was it wasn't drugs but "something else" if you know what I mean.

Tucker sacking in November 2004 was HUGE (well in the NBL online community world, anyway, lol, everyone went nuts)


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