Jack Toft
Two years ago

United vs 36ers, Jan 1

What a way to usher in the new year.

Adelaide top of the table and Melbourne are a different team with Casper the friendly guard. This will be one to watch. Because it's a Sunday and Melbourne are playing, it's on SBS at 2:30.

This is the battle of the guard combos, but apart from that, both teams match up reasonably well.

This won't be a spanking by any means of the imagination, but it will be a preview to finals action. Sixers all the way.

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Anon  
Two years ago

With the game being held at the SNHC I can't see home court advantage being a factor for Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Me neither. It will be mostly 36ers fans packed into that small building so if anything I think that will bias the calls in Adelaides favour.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Yep, the 36ers are going to get home-cooking in Melbourne, is that you LV?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So 3500 United rabid fans wont make a difference that that small arena? Are you serious?

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Tom  
Two years ago

Melbourne clear favourites. How long can Adelaide hang in there is the interesting thing for me. If they can take it to the the final couple of minutes then win (all the more) or lose they will have won and made a statement and cemented their position at the head of the field.

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AC  
Two years ago

Adelaide are obviously on fire with 8 straight, but surely that must put a little more pressure on them?

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Haz  
Two years ago

Couldnt United have just played away games during this time? Now im not so keen to watch this without the 'big game feel' of Hisence Arena, which this game deserves to be played at.

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cats 4 life  
Two years ago

Melbourne and Perth get screwed with the tennis. Melbourne in Melbourne, Adelaide get this then they will finish on top. Hca means nothing this year and any team in the top four can win the title.

Just a mission making the top 4, ware and bubbles are deadly, play how you want buy finals time is a different ball season.

Should be a barn burner kick off 2017! What a season!

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cats 4 life  
Two years ago

Melbourne and Perth get screwed with the tennis. Melbourne in Melbourne, Adelaide get this then they will finish on top. Hca means nothing this year and any team in the top four can win the title.

Just a mission making the top 4, ware and bubbles are deadly, play how you want buy finals time is a different ball season.

Should be a barn burner kick off 2017! What a season!

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Who would have thought a month ago that this would be a marquee matchup, and yeah, pity it has to be in the junior stadium. Hopefully the days of this happening are numbered.

Really looking forward to this game. Hope it lives up to its potential. (Please stay out of it, refs!)

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LV  
Two years ago

Casper to shoot 31, Randle to shoot 28

United by 7.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Have to favour Adelaide. They know how to deal with Goulding and don't forget Sobey plus Randle are assists magicians so not easy to tag them.. throw in Creek who is scoring anywhere he likes these days. Just need Hodgey Deng and Jacobsen to keep those arms straight up and DJ to get fired up off Randles and Sobes work ethic and you just may see a 5 point win the Sixers way. Majok is my worry. He is strong and a beast under the bucket. Will be a ripper New Years day though. Expecting some Flopping and Creative Drama from Goulding so lets hope the Red Yellow and Blue are on to it and the refs aren't blinded by his dazzle like the commentators appear to be. I'm counting down the travels, expecting a record from the Goulden Child as well.

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Johnson  
Two years ago

The winner is whoever the nbl want to win and that's Melbourne.The nbl will be doing handstands and backflips if Melbourne,Sydney and Perth are in the playoffs.Bigger crowds =more money for nbl. I seen it first hand at last nights Hawks/Perth game the 50/50 calls went to Perth and the same will apply to Melbourne and Sydney games for the rest of the season.I'l be watching Adelaide/Melbourne game with interest and see who gets the 50/50 calls especially in the 4th qtr if the game is on the line.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Well, this is going well.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Melbourne then daylight

Wow

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PeterJohn  
Two years ago

"Yep, the 36ers are going to get home-cooking in Melbourne, is that you LV?"

Adelaide have averaged 3 fouls more per game on the road, compared to home games, this season. That's the highest home/away differential of any team. NZ are next at 2.9 more, then Cairns at 1.1.

Melbourne get 0.1 more fouls per game on the road.

But making up for the foul differential on the road, Adelaide have shot 7.7% better from the field in road games (50.3%), vs away games (42.6%). They take slightly fewer shot attempts on the road (67.1 vs 68.9 at home).

Melbourne shoot pretty much the same on the road (44.3%) and at home (44.2%). They also take the same number of shots (68.9 on the road and 68.8 at home).

Adelaide have scored better on the road than at home (95.3 PPG vs 85.7) and Melbourne have scored a little less on the road compared to home (82.9 vs 85.8).

Adelaide to win a close one, with Johnson to have a good game.

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Isaac  
Two years ago

Hawks threw that game away with lazy turnovers. NBL didn't decide anything.

Not sure why anyone would favour Adelaide confidently in this. They seem very susceptible to outside bombers and Melbourne have loads.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

We just can't make a single shot at the moment. Even free throws are terribly off.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Ware v Randle gonna be awesome

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Game of the year and they're playing it at the netball centre

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Mike  
Two years ago

DJ got a rebound :O

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Train  
Two years ago

Jebus, Casper Ware is on another planet

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Mike  
Two years ago

Randle is in the same stratosphere doe

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Good to see ware and Randle both being aggressive

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Can we just sub 4 players off and just have 1 on 1 Randle vs Ware?

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

"Game of the year and they're playing it at the netball centre"

Can't be helped unfortunately. As the commentators said, Hisense Arena is being prepared for the Australian Open.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Boone sux

He must have come extremely cheap

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Jacobsen is so poor

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Do we seriously have Doyle and Drmic on as our guards at the moment?

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Make our free throws DJ!!!

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LV  
Two years ago

How ironic that ppl here were talking about home cooking....

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Melbourne playing really sloppy at the moment. Not really running much offense at all.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Melb v Adelaide would be a good GF series

5 games of Ware and Randle :O

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Does ware shoot too much?

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Mike  
Two years ago

Wow Deng

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Mike  
Two years ago

How did Sobey spud that wide open three so bad

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sobey looks nervous out there going against Goulding

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Deng must have the by far most FGA per minute in the league. Certainly isn't shy.

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LV  
Two years ago

How is that a foul on Majok?

His third, too.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

FFS DJ! Make a shot!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Fair bit of crackling on the Fox broadcast. Is this due to the poor reception in the netball centre

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Mike  
Two years ago

Casper Ware?

Or John Starks

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Mike  
Two years ago

Is Goulding less arrogant these days?

Or am I dreaming

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Nah, he's just not playing as well. So has less chance to be arrogant.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

You would hope he's less arrogant, given he's the 2nd or 3rd option these days and United have been at the bottom of the table.

Hell of a showdown between Randle and Ware so far... wow.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Teys FFS

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sixers come out of a timeout with teys running the point. Laughable

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LV  
Two years ago

Maybe I should've said Casper 41 and Randle 38, instead of 31 and 28...

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Mike  
Two years ago

Just remembered that Goulding was once part of the Wildcats

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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Mike  
Two years ago

Adelaide 30 Randles still in it just

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Mike  
Two years ago

Geebus

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

CG43!!

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Train  
Two years ago

Classic Goulding

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AngusH  
Two years ago

lol... spoke too soon re: Goulding.

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Mike  
Two years ago

'CG43!!'

You just gave me nightmares of Homicide commentating

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Realistically, the streak was probably always going to end with a smashing. But not like this. Not like this.

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GordonG  
Two years ago

Good job that Chemist's Warehouse sign is there - CG knows where to shoot from on the buzzer.

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Train  
Two years ago

60 points in the half, looks like Aelaie is back

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LV  
Two years ago

Granted, I haven't watched an Adelaide game recently, in fact I haven't watched much NBL at all in the past month.... But this game so far has validated something I Said maybe 4ish weeks ago about the 36ers. Teams whose D is this bad would seem quite unlikely to threaten the title. Everyone here claimed their D had improved (despite remaining statistically the worst defensive team by a wide margin)... But it doesn't look like it.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

I don't think the Sixers D has been atrocious, but the cheapies they are giving up are being compounded by Ware and Goulding shooting the lights out as well.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

It's improved. But it's still comfortably the worst in the league. Hasn't been nearly this bad recently.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Yeah Adelaide haven't been too woeful, Melbourne just living up to potential

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Jack Toft  
Two years ago

Ware shooting the lights out

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Granted, I haven't watched an Adelaide game recently
Don't let that stop you offering an opinion though.

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LV  
Two years ago

Their D hasn't been horrible. but it's been bad. Too many open 3's for Melbourne, for example they have CG43 a wide open one, which allowed him to really get some confidence up before he started hitting some tougher shots. And the help D hasn't been good enough on some of the drives to the basket either.

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LV  
Two years ago

KR. Where did I offer an opinion on the last few weeks? I offered an opinion on today's game and earlier in the season. Feel free to show me where I'm wrong

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Mike  
Two years ago

That is just rude

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Mike  
Two years ago

Jesus how does Barlow have a contract

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LV  
Two years ago

More wide open looks for United to start the second half....

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Mike  
Two years ago

Yeah 6ers aren't even guarding the perimeter

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Sixers are playing the classic Tommy Garlepp D and dropping into the key every time the ball is inside the arc.

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LV  
Two years ago

Wiiiiiiiiide open drive for Casper with token resistance....

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Big New Years Eve for some of these Sixers players I think...

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

The 36ers D which has stepped up in the past 6 weeks seems to have reverted back to what it was in the first few weeks of the season.

Melbourne are getting too many wide open looks and they are getting to the basket way too easily right now.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Angus you leave Tommy out of this

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AC  
Two years ago

Barlow has the ugliest shot I've ever seen

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Mike  
Two years ago

Lol @ Greer writing off the Cats

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Wesley looks like a 50/50 travel call nearly every time he touches the ball.

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Mike  
Two years ago

'Barlow has the ugliest shot I've ever seen'

In the NBL yes

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Tom  
Two years ago

Melbourne on fire. 36ers need to hold their nerve and claw their way back to make it respectable. Johnson needs to step up. Sobey has been too casual. Defensively they are showing on the screen and instead of attacking Casper they are too timid and the double opportunity is lost. Hang in there sixers fans.. hope it doesn't get ugly. Randle having to do too much. Needs help.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Adelaide pls

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Joshuapending  
Two years ago

Just head back home this is just one of those games. When Melbourne are on you can't stop all the shooting. That and we are playing so bad.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Is T Ferg even going to get drafted?

He is atrocious

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

6 points this quarter...

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

WTF was Jacobsen doing there? He didn't know whether to shoot or pass. Ended up passing it and turning it over.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Jacobsen was just copying the move from Sobey in the last quarter.

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AC  
Two years ago

^^^
Watching Ferguson and I can't see this was his best choice

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

@AngusH......sadly yes.

Don't get me wrong, Ferguson has got talent, but if he does actually get drafted I can see him spending a fair bit of time in the D-League. He still defends like he's in high school. And as we just saw his passing game leaves a bit to be desired at times.

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

I can't say I'm surprised by the score right now. Yes Adelaide were on an 8 game winning streak, but they were playing games 3 or 4 days apart. They haven't played in 10 days and what I feared seems to have happened....they've gone cold again.

Melbourne on the other hand have come into this after destroying Brisbane a week ago and beating Cairns on Thursday.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Come on Tommy Greer, it wasn't Adelaide turning up the pressure in the 3rd, it was Melbourne bricking wide open 3s...

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Coming here was never a smart move by Ferguson tbh.

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

I don't think it was a stupid move for Ferguson to come to Australia to play rather than college ball, but he definitely hasn't progressed as much as he should have.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

His draft stock has improved according to draft-express, plus he would be on good money. IMO it was a good move, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more guys like him coming over in the next couple of years.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Awful D by Creek there... forgot to even raise a hand in Ware's general direction until the ball had left his hand.

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Perth Wilburs  
Two years ago

What was the story behind Perth Wildcats picking up Chris Goulding and then releasing him?

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Mike  
Two years ago

WARIOWARE

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Mike  
Two years ago

'What was the story behind Perth Wildcats picking up Chris Goulding and then releasing him?'

Not much of a story, he just left

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

I like Tommy Greer's enthusiasm, but a lot of what he says is trite.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Geesus me timbers

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

Can someone please explain how Ferguson's draft stock has increased?

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Mike  
Two years ago

DA FERG

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Mike  
Two years ago

DENG DOE

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SteveK2  
Two years ago

Ware is putting a statement game that he's the top dog in scoring. That deep 3 pointer when he got iso'ed with Randle at the top of the key is his demonstration of offensive superiority... "I got more range than you".

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Mike  
Two years ago

Randle has range but Ware owned this matchup

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Mike  
Two years ago

Sack DD?

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Lol @ 6ers

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Perth Wilburs  
Two years ago

Melbourne looks the team to beat. They were massively good this game. Three huge wins.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Does Ware make NBL 1st team?

It's 2 of Ware, Randle and Lisch for mine

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

30 and 7 with 0 turnovers would win most match-ups I'd imagine.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

The draft stock shows you the overall opinion of the NBL, IMO. Brandon Jennings wasn't outstanding in Italy but was a better rated prospect than Ferguson. Mudiay put up decent numbers in a poor Chinese league, but I'd argue that putting up worse numbers in the NBL is better for your draft stock than scoring 18 a night in China.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Jennings was horrible in Italy.

Ferguson has improved his stock for sure.

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AC  
Two years ago

Ware certainly Handled Randle

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Gees drmic carries on like a flog

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LV  
Two years ago

Melbourne now 7-2 with Casper and 10-4 with CG43.

Will watch Bryce-Cotton closely. chance of Mel vs per gf if he turns out well. Imagine 5 sellouts at Hisense/RLA And Perth Arena!

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HoldenV8  
Two years ago

I understand where you are coming from @AngusH, but young players also need to show improvement and TBH Ferguson has rarely shown that.

His passing game still leaves a lot to be desired, as does his D 90% of the time, and his court awareness is nowhere near what it should be for someone touted as a first round NBA draft pick. Yes he can dunk and hit the occasional 3, but right now that seems to be about it. Today he put up just 2 shots in 19:58, with his only points being that 3 near the end. And 1 rebound in that time from your starting SF just isn't enough.

TBH he hardly touched the ball in that all but 20 minutes on the court today, and one time he actually did he threw a pass that caused a turnover.

Like I said before, Ferguson is talented and does have potential, but I really haven't seen a lot of improvement from him since he arrived despite the fact that right now he is starting at SF.

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overloaded  
Two years ago

Sydney then daylight

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overloaded  
Two years ago

Did Sobey play today?

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KET  
Two years ago

Melbourne fans will be loving it, but lets pose the question:

Does mid-season acquisitions tarnish the competitive nature of the NBL?

I'm not talking about injury replacements, i'm talking about what could become buying championships.

It's one thing to have teams spending and stacking at the start of the season (which we've discussed before), but it's another enormous advantage for resourced teams to have the ability to figure out midseason what's working and what's not and making even better changes to get the job done. It starts defeating the purpose of the game itself.

How could this be combatted? Perhaps a limit on releasing/signing players after x rounds with an exception for injury waiver and exceptional circumstances. Or will we just see fake injuries and "personal reasons" excuses so clubs can get their way?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sobey did play despite spending last night and until very early this morning under observation in hospital. Somebody saying he had bad case of gastro so let us hope he recovers well before the Hawkes .

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Tom  
Two years ago

Lucky you've got 11 wins on the board. Might just be enough to get you into the playoffs.
Melbourne are now the bench mark though.
Perth might be able to challenge them provide they can go 6 or 7 of 11. We will have to see what Cotton has got.
Kings, Sixers, Brisbane and Hawks in a dog fight now.
Where is the threshold 14 or 15 wins.
You have 2 each against NZ,Cairns and Hawks. H and A. Maybe 4/6 could do it.
You've got Sydney and Brisbane at home so maybe an upset over either would clinch it?
In the event of equal points is it the series result? Could be a nail biter for two teams.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Comes off as sour grapes KET.

Just because we don't have much money and can't afford to make import changes doesn't mean every other team shouldn't be allowed to.

We just got blown out of the water by a hungrier team on the day so be it. We're still top coming off an 8 game winning streak, lack of money wasn't an issue then.

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SteveK2  
Two years ago

I agree with AngusH that a rising overall opinion of the NBL certainly has an effect on the evaluation of his draft stock. I'd venture to guess that the 24 seconds clock, physicality of the league/Boomers (Paul George was whinging about those dirty Australians) and the presence of some well-known ex-NBA/D league players are the main factors affecting their rising opinion.

They would put the NBL on-par with top division 1 programs and can see that while Ferguson isn't tearing it up down here, he is definitely coachable and can play a role within a system.

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LV  
Two years ago

KET, this has always happened, it's just happening more, now that there's 3 imports. And the soft cap would play a role too.

If it was going to be stopped, how? You already stated the problem yourself, with a limit after X rounds, we might see injuries becoming "injuries".

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Randle who? Schooled.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Does mid-season acquisitions tarnish the competitive nature of the NBL? "

No it does not...it happens everywhere.


"I'm not talking about injury replacements, i'm talking about what could become buying championships. "

It doesn't even come close to buying championships. but please do go on.


"but it's another enormous advantage for resourced teams to have the ability to figure out midseason what's working and what's not and making even better changes to get the job done. "

Teams reviewing their roster and strategy constantly and making appropriate adjustments, THE HORROR.

Just because the Sixers dug up Christopherson mid season and United dug up Ware does not invalidate the process.


"How could this be combatted? "

By preventing Sixer fans having internet access whilst having Sodium Chloride in their mouth after a loss.

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KET  
Two years ago

Comes off as sour grapes KET.


36ers are first on the ladder and doing far better than I ever thought, so don't reduce the value of the question by making an immature slight.

There's a reason why it's framed as a question and not a statement, it's a legitimate substantive question to put forward for discussion. It's meant to spark discussion and ideas, not get slapped down by pathetic time-wasting slights.

KET, this has always happened, it's just happening more, now that there's 3 imports.


Indeed. We've got an extra import spot and a soft cap instead of a hard cap. Does this play a part in allowing resourced clubs to be anti-competitive and just buy up better players mid-season to make sure they always win?

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KET  
Two years ago

For a discussion board, people seem to struggle with the concept of facilitating discussion.

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AC  
Two years ago

We could write Adelaide off as the benchmark or wait for the rematch in a week or so and make a more balanced called now we know where both teams sit in terms of roster and capabilities

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overloaded  
Two years ago

Surely they wont allow Williams to come back now?
He is awful

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AC  
Two years ago

Williams is a huge body, but from 3 games it seems Boone has game and athletic ability

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

There's a reason why it's framed as a question and not a statement, it's a legitimate substantive question to put forward for discussion. It's meant to spark discussion and ideas, not get slapped down by pathetic time-wasting slights.


My aren't you a precious one? It's not a legitimate question it's sour grapes by a very one-eyed Sixers fan after we just copped a belting.

Where was this 'legitimate question' during the 8 game winning streak? We're on top of the ladder, relax.



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cats 4 life  
Two years ago

Not for long, hawks next then Nz away and Melbourne again.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

For a discussion board, people seem to struggle with the concept of facilitating discussion.
You should create a new thread for it, you'll probably get better responses. It's certainly a thought I had a couple of weeks ago.

Not for long, hawks next then Nz away and Melbourne again.
Hawks are gettable, and NZ are useless. That's not a particularly terrifying schedule.

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Tom  
Two years ago

Don't have to wait for a couple of weeks. I look at what Sixers have and what United have and I can make my call now. United have to play poorly, Sixers have to play above themselves just to have any chance.
Casper has given Goulding, Blanchfield and Moore the freedom to play/shoot pretty much with no pressure. Their team is playing better than the Sixers. Casper knows he doesn't have to do it all.They have more depth, contributors. They've also got the best mop up crew going around in Majok and Boone when they do shoot poorly.
The Sixers are so dependent on one player. Randle has to have 35+ nights for you to compete against United. Thats a tough ask. Maybe he will maybe he won't.
United might go down in Adelaide. I hope they do, I suppose you hope they do to. But thats it HOPE.
If they do lose, it won't be by much and it will not threaten the +34 margin they are up in the head to head.

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KET  
Two years ago

"A very one-eyed Sixers fan"....have you actually ever read my posts?

Absolutely clueless and a pathetic cheap shot.

We're on top of the ladder, relax.


Exactly a reason why I wouldn't have sour grapes which is why I just said that in my previous comment which I gather you didn't bother to read since that doesn't seem to be your thing in this thread.

Where was this 'legitimate question' during the 8 game winning streak? We're on top of the ladder, relax.


You just don't get it do you?

It's not about the 36ers, it's about the fact we're in a period of transformational and structural change in the NBL with likely more to come and it's worth discussing the structure along with the pros and cons.

Which is another thing you don't get - you naturally assume a particular position has been taken as an answer to the question posed instead of the intellectual curiousity of considering both advantages and disadvantages and fleshing out the ideas. This is despite the fact it's a clear invitation to consider both the pro's and cons.

Only a few days ago I posted a thread triggered by Boti's article about refereeing - I had been meaning to do it for some time but this gave a good opportunity. Now if I had posted that exact same thread after a 36ers loss to a controversial call would that make the thread suddenly sour grapes? Would it be suddenly less legitimate? Would the substance suddenly not exist? Or would it have been a good segue to what is regardless an interesting discussion to have? Funnily enough, with all these moves by the Wildcats, NZ, Sydney and Melbourne it has been on the cards for discussion anyway. It's kind of a relevant topic at the moment.

So why is this particular question interesting? For the same reasons why the discussion about the soft cap and 3 imports and teams stacking at the start of the year was interesting, but with the added element of mid-season review and replacement.

If you've got teams with resources and the will to win in a system which allows them to effectively pay what they like to attract players - they're going to try and attract the best aren't they?

At the start of the season you're taking a risk the chemistry and players will work and the quality will be there. There's still that element of risk.

If you're able to take away that element of risk by signing better players during the season in order to win, they're probably going to do that.

This opens the prospect that we end up having the same four stacked teams making up the top four year after year. At which point why do the other four clubs bother existing if they're born to lose - that's the anti-competitive nature of it, and what chance does having four teams always losing have of those clubs surviving anyway?

It might be easy to point to this season as being even and debunking these type of ideas of anti-competitive behaviour - and I actually agree with what they've got in place at the moment for the short term which I have stated before (shock horror Zodiac - if only you bother reading what is written instead of making assumptions! And maybe it's best not making claims about what I am if you haven't read my stuff before!), but what if injuries and slow moves by clubs makes this more of an outlier than proof of the contrary?

At the end of the day, this could be an aspect of the NBL structure which long term is not necessarily viable for a competitive league.

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KET  
Two years ago

Agreed Kobe, it certainly would have been better served in its own thread.

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overloaded  
Two years ago

The umpiring bias to home teams is disgusting in this comp.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The foul count was 21-19 and against Melbourne early something to the tune of 9-2.... you might want to rethink home cooking buddy

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Absolutely clueless and a pathetic cheap shot.


Enough. You're wound way too tight to engage with any further and frankly you should be embarrassed about going off like a cut snake over my harmless "Comes off as sour grapes" comment.

I just hope you don't have a cat in your household.

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KET  
Two years ago

Look in the mirror Zodiac.

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Brunson  
Two years ago

Tom "Their team is playing better than the Sixers." Really is that why you were down by 14 to Cairns and should have lost the game a couple of days ago?

"Melbourne early something to the tune of 9-2" What does it matter if the count was 50-2? If all 50 fouls were a foul then it is a foul. There was home cooking in that game but it didn't affect the result.

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KET  
Two years ago

Zodiac I went to the effort to flesh out and facilitate discussion - and people like you derail it by not only completely avoiding the discussion but try to devalue the merit by making petty comments. You didn't even bother to actually address the discussion.

And re: your last comment - the tactic of accusing the other of doing exactly what you're doing is essentially just trolling.

Enough is enough.

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AC  
Two years ago

Can't Melbourne win a game without the accusations of home-cooking, ref bias, NBL conspiracy...

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skull  
Two years ago

Melbourne are only just scratching the surface with that roster...the 5 game GF series is theirs to lose.

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Tom  
Two years ago

Brunson I am actually a Breakers supporter but we are not going too well at the moment. I actually can't stand United and have never supported them. I have always found them quite an arrogant side. But being a basketball junkie I like to keep my finger on the pulse.
You are actually dead right and I was cheering for Cairns all the way the other night. Cairns should have won.
But that is my very point. Good teams, which United have now become with the addition of Casper Ware, find a way to win games they should lose. They will win more close games than they lose.
Does not mean they are invincible and I give the Sixers their due they could upset United. But there are a lot more things that would have to fall into place than for United to win.
You're obviously a fan and good on you for standing up for your team. I don't feel strongly about either team. I see the Sixers as overachieving this season and should they qualify for the payoffs good luck to them. But they will be underdogs to win the title.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That's the perfect loss for adelaide. They stay clear too. They were embarrassing and have no right to feel anything near over confident and now need to regroup and refocus, which they will. Expect them to make another run of sorts to close out the season. No team wants to go into finals on some stupidly long winning streak. Complacent is not a word this group will use. Ferguson side note as an import is just shocking. Regressed and this stupid experiment everyone seems so excited about has been a bust. We needed an extra 14 points today from someone not named Randle ronkssp the defence honest. Bust from an import point of view for this season! Not his career etc but for the team he plays for.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Tissue Brunson? Nothing wrong with today's refs compared to recent games. You just got beat. Pure and simple

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LV  
Two years ago

Zodiac, you sound ridiculous.

Fair questions KET is raising.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sobey had the flu really badly and was a game day decision to play. Apparently didn't train all week. He looked off too. I was at the game and he looked pale and lacked energy.

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LV  
Two years ago

If you want to talk about team to beat or power rankings or whatever, United's win today means they've just stolen that mantle off Adelaide.

It's worth noting that United's percentage is the best in the competition. Their two biggest losses were in back to back games- by 9 points in Illawarra and 16 against Sydney- and both were while Goulding and Blanchfield were injured, and before Casper Ware arrived.

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LV  
Two years ago

I think the above Bodes well for United's playoff chances

When they've had a relatively healthy team, they simply haven't Been beaten comfortably beaten much at all. So, logically over a 3 and then 5 game series, if they consistently do enough to *at least* make it close, even if they aren't near their best, then probability suggests they have a very good chance of winning it all.

A team like Adelaide on the other hand has been blown out a stack of times. But have done very well in close (ish) games. But if teams are making improvements as Melbourne has with Casper and Perth could potentially have with Bryce Cotton, those close wins can very easily turn into close losses before the seasons done.

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John  
Two years ago

Just saw Sobey, out for tea with his family. Looked fine to me. We were on the next table. If he was that sick he should of been in bed.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Thanks john. You know best. Maybe he is trying over it and the worst has passed. Some nosy type on here.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Lol.

Did Sobey have his 'N' 'S' tattoos showing?

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Train  
Two years ago

@KET - I often thought that with 3 imports that there might be tactics of holding off the third import until Dec/Jan and then signing a superstar. $200K for a 2 month contract would get you a much better import than $200K for a 5-6 month contract. I am all for it as the rules are the same for everyone.

There is also the risk of messing with team chemistry at the business end of the season so I think there are pros and cons to it all. Certainly adds an extra dimension to team management.

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Alan  
Two years ago

Sobey was training the last week at Warrnambool.

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John  
Two years ago

Think Sobey, couldn't match it with Golding.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I am with Zodiac. KET's 'line of questioning' smacks of sour grapes. It lacks class, but we've come to expect that.

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John  
Two years ago

Someone who doesn't put there name to a post.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Great insight John! So you saw Nathan training on Boxing Day in Warrnambool on Facebook, and you're giving the scoop hey pal? Cheers, great research fella.

Firstly, Sobey and Goulding did t even really match up on each other clown! Sobey only played around 14 mins. He sat most of the second half!

The issue here is how quickly you bandwagon jumping clowns chop and change your support/teams,

One minute it's 'sack DD' then its they are the team to beat. Then it's ROFLcopter talking ish about tattoo's? Clowns.

If a team or a player has an off game, let them roll, they will pick it up as you can see! Melb played great and were coached well last night too! The Sixers could very well knock them off the next game they play for all anyone on here knows.

But overall, the award goes to John, for great Facebook stalking research.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

The N S thing warrants a thread of its own...don't you think Nathan?

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Alan  
Two years ago

Yes Sobey was training at brauer collage in Warrnambool who said he didn't train for a week. Just played a shit game get over it Anonymons. Won't make the finals stop randle then they have nothing.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

I should add that Sobey is one of my favourite players to watch...inspite of that ink.
He was obviously out of sorts yesterday...unfortunately, as the game would've been much closer if Randle had some help.

Not everything written on a forum is serious. Some of it is just piss taking banter.

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John  
Two years ago

Can't you read Anon l didn't say l saw Sobey training. I sat on the next table when he was dining with his family. Was eating ok for a sick person.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Alan, so from Boxing Day to new years years day is how long? People can't get crook in that time frame? Cheers doc. Stick to your Warrnambool basketball commentary.

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Alan  
Two years ago

You said he didn't train for a week. He was that sick, wasnt going to play. Then John said he was having dinner that night.!!!! Sorry not from Warrnambool mate.

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KET  
Two years ago

It's best to ignore Anon's, John.

Train - Agreed, the rules are there for everyone to utilise, certainly can't complain at teams doing what they're meant to do - try win within the rules.

In some sense I agree there is still a risk of chemistry issues, although obviously Randle and Ware are examples of fitting in well.

I think the evenness of this season may be masking the issues that could present in following seasons.

The system allowing the resourced clubs to pay more creates anything but even rosters and the ability to manage that strategy far into the season up (until minimum games played becomes an issue) is another method of utilising resources where other clubs with lesser resources simply won't be able to.

In much the same way as the current cap structure could be problematic in the future, so could mid-season player release & acquisition.

In terms of this season, we've hit a nice little optimal scenario - the system designed to allow resourced teams to attract higher quality and standard of players has worked and we've managed to have an even league unlike any other ever. Before the season I supported and put confidence in the current structure for the short term but noted a change needs to be made for long term competitiveness and viability.

The same applies for this mid-season replacement, it's done a lot of good the last few years and this year but it's certainly something that is worth looking at as the league evolves longer term.

Just an FYI for people - 36ers are a club who traditionally replaces a player mid-season. Think Randle last year and Johnson & Motum in 14/15.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Any chance adelaide could replace Ferguson with a player that has skmetyhing to offer the tweak not just his own career prospects later on?

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KET  
Two years ago

Nup

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Shock horror! The better resourced teams in PROFESSIONAL sport do tend to be the more successful. There are always outliers (Leicester city) but most of time money talks.
If other teams can't keep up, then they need to improve off the court as much as on the court. This whole 'everything has to be even ' attitude is probably why the nbl had issues in the past.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The Bulldogs are probably one of the worst resourced team in the afl, it's not always about money, Illawarra do very well on a limited budget as well.

Re chopping and changing your squad, the kings have battled for wins ever since Blake was brought in and just beat NZ and lost to Hawks after bringing in Jackson.You need team chemistry or it doesn't work unless you get a player of Casper Ware talent.

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Train  
Two years ago

@KET - There is the 8 game minimum rule a player needs to play to qualify for finals. Perhaps if this becomes an issue the NBL could raise the amount of games an import needs to play to 10-12 with an exemption for serious injury.

PS - This really needs its own thread lol. Can we start one and get a mod to split the comments ?

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

The bulldogs aren't a fair comparison.

In my opinion, their squad is probably 6th or 7th best in the league. But their 2016 is proof of what an awesome coach and strong leadership can do.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The point I'm making re the Bulldogs is that even if there squad is the best or the worst they are one of the smallest resourced club outside the playing list, i.e. Less physios, recruiters, coaches etc, similar to Illawarra and Adelaide and both do well with what they got.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Fair point...and agreed.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago


guys give Sobey a break ...he simply did not have enough in the tank to battle on after having spent most of the night in the emergency ward with severe stomach pain due to gastro and dehydration...... obviously he felt better prior to the game and thought he could contribute ...but in the end he ran out of gas. the fact he went out for a meal with his family does not mean he was not sick prior to the match nor that he was not feeling the loss of energy during the game ... it just means he wanted to catch up with family since the game was in Melbourne. Goulding had a great game but it was the gastro that got Sobey

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KET  
Two years ago

Agreed Train I really should have made an independent thread.

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Increasing minimum number of games is one way to do it, although if an injured player doesn't manage to get to that number, that might be pretty harsh.

I do propose a tweak to your idea though - player acquisition could be limited for up to a particular date, say 31 December. It has the effect of requiring roughly a player be there for a substantial period of the season without hindering the chances of an injured player being able to play finals.

I think an alteration of the cap structure generally is the best way to cure this issue in the future. I wouldn't envisage it in the next 2-3 years because of the direction of incentivising greater resource output to attract the best talent.

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Anon #616164 - I understand where this argument comes from: survival of the fittest - those who manage their club the best deserve to be so, failed models either improve or die. The problem is, there's an aspect of all clubs being in some way reliant upon each other. And there's not all that much wealth for basketball at the moment.

For the NBL to be successful and sustainable it really needs 8 viable and stable clubs. If two, three or four clubs are consistently down the bottom for long periods and never challenging then that can cause clubs to go under through diminished media coverage, fan base and sponsors. Can't get resources to win, can't win to get resources. It's a catch-22.

You're right that money talks usually. That's why between 1996 and 2015 we saw 20 English Premier League championships split between 4 sides: Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea & Arsenal.

Which is why I like the AFL system so much. Every team has the resources for a roster within the cap. Sure, some have more to spend on coaching staff or physios - but at the end of the day players count as a major factor. That's why we don't usually see AFL sides down the bottom for extended periods.

The Saints are a nice little representation: Good in the late 90s, terrible early 000's, top 4 mid 000's, grandfinalsts around 2010, then it reset: bad again for about 4 years, then close to a top 8 side last year.

I agree with ROFLcopter, not the best roster but a great coach at the Bulldogs. I'd much rather the success of a club come down to good club and team management and scouting then resources put into players. That's why the AFL is so determined to ensure even the poorer clubs spend equal to the rich when it comes to rosters.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

This game showed the Sixers aren't that good. But because of their lucky run, they will probably make the play-offs, leaving one of the better teams outside the Top 4 (probably Perth).

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sobey looked very nervous going up against his role model, Goulding. I guess this is normal.

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KET  
Two years ago

I'm 50/50 on whether Adelaide makes the playoffs. I'm sticking to my prediction that Sydney and Melbourne will be the teams to beat and if Brissy get out of their rut plus a Perth comeback you might have the top 4 there.

Ofcourse there's a good chance i'll look like a complete idiot for discounting Hawks every year - much like how people treat my San Antonio Spurs.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah let think you will look stupid for that selection. Brisbane are done. Hawks are rolling just enough. United Sydney and adelaide. Who wins it? I think united.

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KET  
Two years ago

I might be a little affected by Lemanis' coaching magic in 2016.

With Petrie & Bairstow injured that gives a position for the Hawks.

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Train  
Two years ago

Next 4 games are going to define the 36ers season. Hawks, NZ, United then Wildcats. If they can get at least 2 of those games they will be n good shape to see finals action.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I don't understand the excitement on Sydney, looked unbeatable early but now struggling. They rely on Lisch and Newley to much. If Cadee doesn't score 20 plus he's a liability in defence, as with Garlepp, even Powel and Maric can get into foul trouble early.

Now I've said my bit there probably certainties to win it. I tipped Melbourne at start and after looking so poor now look like favourites.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Rob Beveridge teams make the Top 4 every year. You can book it. He's like the modern day Brian Goorjian in terms of getting his teams playing at a high level as the season progresses.

Top 4 will likely be:
1) Sydney
2) Melbourne
3) Adelaide
4) Illawarra

5) Perth
6) Cairns
7) New Zealand
8) Brisbane

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Jo  
Two years ago

How many championship has Bevo won??

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

He's won 1, and runner-up twice I believe. But he's made the Top 4 the last umpteen years.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No he is good very good. His whole angle has been the ability to achieve with weak rosters. With guys like bevo judge on his ability to lift the weak not titles. Unlike gorrjian etc he hasn't always gone to the biggest spending team.

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Jo  
Two years ago

Bevo, should of won more championship with Perth with the team he had. Didn't have a week rooster with Perth. We were glad to move him on.

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Jo  
Two years ago

Bevo, should of won more championship with Perth with the team he had. Didn't have a week rooster with Perth. We were glad to move him on.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

He lost Damo during the playoffs two of those years, and the third he lost Redhage late in the season.

Speak for yourself.

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Jo  
Two years ago

You need 10 players in your team not one player mate.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Bevo only left because he wanted the Boomers coaching job, which the Wildcats management felt was not conducive to the Wildcats head coach role.

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Jo  
Two years ago

With one championship l don't think so.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Jo > Dazz

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Jo.

At the time Redhage went down @ Adelaide with the horrific hip injury, he was the second scoring option behind Lisch.

Damo's injury was also very unfortunate as we came up against the Ced Jackson lead Breakers on their three-peat run.

The Wildcats not winning more had equally as much to do with how good NZ was as how the Cats had injuries.

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KET  
Two years ago

If you lose a key player for a playoffs run, that's a genuine issue it would be foolish to believe otherwise

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Jo  
Two years ago

Never going to get the boomers job, what with one championship. With the best team in the league. Jack new best and let him go.

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LV  
Two years ago

Questioning Bevo's record in Perth is a bit like questioning Steve Kerr's record at Golden State...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cheers Alan!!! http://bit.ly/2iYEtWn

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