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Jack Toft
Two months ago

#40582

United vs 36ers, Jan 1

What a way to usher in the new year.

Adelaide top of the table and Melbourne are a different team with Casper the friendly guard. This will be one to watch. Because it's a Sunday and Melbourne are playing, it's on SBS at 2:30.

This is the battle of the guard combos, but apart from that, both teams match up reasonably well.

This won't be a spanking by any means of the imagination, but it will be a preview to finals action. Sixers all the way.

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Anon
Two months ago
11:21 1 Jan 17

Reply #615935

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

With the game being held at the SNHC I can't see home court advantage being a factor for Melbourne


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Anonymous
Two months ago
11:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #615936

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Me neither. It will be mostly 36ers fans packed into that small building so if anything I think that will bias the calls in Adelaides favour.


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Zodiac
Two months ago
12:02 1 Jan 17

Reply #615937

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Yep, the 36ers are going to get home-cooking in Melbourne, is that you LV?


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Anonymous
Two months ago
12:05 1 Jan 17

Reply #615938

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

So 3500 United rabid fans wont make a difference that that small arena? Are you serious?


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Tom
Two months ago
12:19 1 Jan 17

Reply #615940

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Melbourne clear favourites. How long can Adelaide hang in there is the interesting thing for me. If they can take it to the the final couple of minutes then win (all the more) or lose they will have won and made a statement and cemented their position at the head of the field.


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AC
Two months ago
13:03 1 Jan 17

Reply #615942

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Adelaide are obviously on fire with 8 straight, but surely that must put a little more pressure on them?


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Haz
Two months ago
13:19 1 Jan 17

Reply #615943

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Couldnt United have just played away games during this time? Now im not so keen to watch this without the 'big game feel' of Hisence Arena, which this game deserves to be played at.


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cats 4 life
Two months ago
13:34 1 Jan 17

Reply #615944

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Melbourne and Perth get screwed with the tennis. Melbourne in Melbourne, Adelaide get this then they will finish on top. Hca means nothing this year and any team in the top four can win the title.

Just a mission making the top 4, ware and bubbles are deadly, play how you want buy finals time is a different ball season.

Should be a barn burner kick off 2017! What a season!


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cats 4 life
Two months ago
13:35 1 Jan 17

Reply #615945

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Melbourne and Perth get screwed with the tennis. Melbourne in Melbourne, Adelaide get this then they will finish on top. Hca means nothing this year and any team in the top four can win the title.

Just a mission making the top 4, ware and bubbles are deadly, play how you want buy finals time is a different ball season.

Should be a barn burner kick off 2017! What a season!


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Luuuc
Two months ago
13:45 1 Jan 17

Reply #615946

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Who would have thought a month ago that this would be a marquee matchup, and yeah, pity it has to be in the junior stadium. Hopefully the days of this happening are numbered.

Really looking forward to this game. Hope it lives up to its potential. (Please stay out of it, refs!)


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LV
Two months ago
13:50 1 Jan 17

Reply #615947

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Casper to shoot 31, Randle to shoot 28

United by 7.


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Anon
Two months ago
13:59 1 Jan 17

Reply #615949

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

Have to favour Adelaide. They know how to deal with Goulding and don't forget Sobey plus Randle are assists magicians so not easy to tag them.. throw in Creek who is scoring anywhere he likes these days. Just need Hodgey Deng and Jacobsen to keep those arms straight up and DJ to get fired up off Randles and Sobes work ethic and you just may see a 5 point win the Sixers way. Majok is my worry. He is strong and a beast under the bucket. Will be a ripper New Years day though. Expecting some Flopping and Creative Drama from Goulding so lets hope the Red Yellow and Blue are on to it and the refs aren't blinded by his dazzle like the commentators appear to be. I'm counting down the travels, expecting a record from the Goulden Child as well.


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Johnson
Two months ago
14:26 1 Jan 17

Reply #615954

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

The winner is whoever the nbl want to win and that's Melbourne.The nbl will be doing handstands and backflips if Melbourne,Sydney and Perth are in the playoffs.Bigger crowds =more money for nbl. I seen it first hand at last nights Hawks/Perth game the 50/50 calls went to Perth and the same will apply to Melbourne and Sydney games for the rest of the season.I'l be watching Adelaide/Melbourne game with interest and see who gets the 50/50 calls especially in the 4th qtr if the game is on the line.


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
14:39 1 Jan 17

Reply #615958

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Well, this is going well.


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Mike
Two months ago
14:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #615959

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne then daylight

Wow


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PeterJohn
Two months ago
14:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #615960

re: Mel v Adl, Jan 1

"Yep, the 36ers are going to get home-cooking in Melbourne, is that you LV?"

Adelaide have averaged 3 fouls more per game on the road, compared to home games, this season. That's the highest home/away differential of any team. NZ are next at 2.9 more, then Cairns at 1.1.

Melbourne get 0.1 more fouls per game on the road.

But making up for the foul differential on the road, Adelaide have shot 7.7% better from the field in road games (50.3%), vs away games (42.6%). They take slightly fewer shot attempts on the road (67.1 vs 68.9 at home).

Melbourne shoot pretty much the same on the road (44.3%) and at home (44.2%). They also take the same number of shots (68.9 on the road and 68.8 at home).

Adelaide have scored better on the road than at home (95.3 PPG vs 85.7) and Melbourne have scored a little less on the road compared to home (82.9 vs 85.8).

Adelaide to win a close one, with Johnson to have a good game.


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Isaac
Two months ago
14:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #615961

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Hawks threw that game away with lazy turnovers. NBL didn't decide anything.

Not sure why anyone would favour Adelaide confidently in this. They seem very susceptible to outside bombers and Melbourne have loads.


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
14:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #615962

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

We just can't make a single shot at the moment. Even free throws are terribly off.


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Mike
Two months ago
14:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #615963

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Ware v Randle gonna be awesome


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #615964

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Game of the year and they're playing it at the netball centre


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Mike
Two months ago
14:45 1 Jan 17

Reply #615965

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

DJ got a rebound :O


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Train
Two months ago
14:46 1 Jan 17

Reply #615966

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jebus, Casper Ware is on another planet


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Mike
Two months ago
14:47 1 Jan 17

Reply #615967

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Randle is in the same stratosphere doe


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:47 1 Jan 17

Reply #615968

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Good to see ware and Randle both being aggressive


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
14:48 1 Jan 17

Reply #615969

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Can we just sub 4 players off and just have 1 on 1 Randle vs Ware?


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
14:49 1 Jan 17

Reply #615970

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

"Game of the year and they're playing it at the netball centre"

Can't be helped unfortunately. As the commentators said, Hisense Arena is being prepared for the Australian Open.


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Mike
Two months ago
14:50 1 Jan 17

Reply #615971

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Boone sux

He must have come extremely cheap


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Zodiac
Two months ago
14:53 1 Jan 17

Reply #615972

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jacobsen is so poor


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
14:55 1 Jan 17

Reply #615973

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Do we seriously have Doyle and Drmic on as our guards at the moment?


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
14:56 1 Jan 17

Reply #615974

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Make our free throws DJ!!!


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LV
Two months ago
15:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #615975

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

How ironic that ppl here were talking about home cooking....


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:02 1 Jan 17

Reply #615976

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne playing really sloppy at the moment. Not really running much offense at all.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:03 1 Jan 17

Reply #615977

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melb v Adelaide would be a good GF series

5 games of Ware and Randle :O


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Anonymous
Two months ago
15:04 1 Jan 17

Reply #615978

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Does ware shoot too much?


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Mike
Two months ago
15:06 1 Jan 17

Reply #615980

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Wow Deng


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Mike
Two months ago
15:06 1 Jan 17

Reply #615981

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

How did Sobey spud that wide open three so bad


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Anonymous
Two months ago
15:06 1 Jan 17

Reply #615982

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sobey looks nervous out there going against Goulding


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:07 1 Jan 17

Reply #615983

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Deng must have the by far most FGA per minute in the league. Certainly isn't shy.


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LV
Two months ago
15:09 1 Jan 17

Reply #615985

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

How is that a foul on Majok?

His third, too.


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:10 1 Jan 17

Reply #615986

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

FFS DJ! Make a shot!


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Anonymous
Two months ago
15:10 1 Jan 17

Reply #615987

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Fair bit of crackling on the Fox broadcast. Is this due to the poor reception in the netball centre


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Mike
Two months ago
15:11 1 Jan 17

Reply #615988

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Casper Ware?

Or John Starks


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Mike
Two months ago
15:11 1 Jan 17

Reply #615989

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Is Goulding less arrogant these days?

Or am I dreaming


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #615991

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Nah, he's just not playing as well. So has less chance to be arrogant.


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #615992

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

You would hope he's less arrogant, given he's the 2nd or 3rd option these days and United have been at the bottom of the table.

Hell of a showdown between Randle and Ware so far... wow.


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Zodiac
Two months ago
15:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #615993

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Teys FFS


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Anonymous
Two months ago
15:14 1 Jan 17

Reply #615994

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sixers come out of a timeout with teys running the point. Laughable


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LV
Two months ago
15:17 1 Jan 17

Reply #615995

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Maybe I should've said Casper 41 and Randle 38, instead of 31 and 28...


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Mike
Two months ago
15:19 1 Jan 17

Reply #615996

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Just remembered that Goulding was once part of the Wildcats

Pepperidge Farm remembers


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Mike
Two months ago
15:20 1 Jan 17

Reply #615998

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Adelaide 30 Randles still in it just


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Mike
Two months ago
15:21 1 Jan 17

Reply #615999

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Geebus


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
15:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616000

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

CG43!!


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Train
Two months ago
15:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616001

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Classic Goulding


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616002

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

lol... spoke too soon re: Goulding.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616003

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

'CG43!!'

You just gave me nightmares of Homicide commentating


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:23 1 Jan 17

Reply #616004

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Realistically, the streak was probably always going to end with a smashing. But not like this. Not like this.


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GordonG
Two months ago
15:23 1 Jan 17

Reply #616005

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Good job that Chemist's Warehouse sign is there - CG knows where to shoot from on the buzzer.


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Train
Two months ago
15:24 1 Jan 17

Reply #616006

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

60 points in the half, looks like Aelaie is back


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LV
Two months ago
15:25 1 Jan 17

Reply #616007

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Granted, I haven't watched an Adelaide game recently, in fact I haven't watched much NBL at all in the past month.... But this game so far has validated something I Said maybe 4ish weeks ago about the 36ers. Teams whose D is this bad would seem quite unlikely to threaten the title. Everyone here claimed their D had improved (despite remaining statistically the worst defensive team by a wide margin)... But it doesn't look like it.


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:25 1 Jan 17

Reply #616008

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I don't think the Sixers D has been atrocious, but the cheapies they are giving up are being compounded by Ware and Goulding shooting the lights out as well.


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:26 1 Jan 17

Reply #616009

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

It's improved. But it's still comfortably the worst in the league. Hasn't been nearly this bad recently.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:27 1 Jan 17

Reply #616011

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Yeah Adelaide haven't been too woeful, Melbourne just living up to potential


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Jack Toft
Two months ago
15:30 1 Jan 17

Reply #616012

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Ware shooting the lights out


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koberulz
Two months ago
15:31 1 Jan 17

Reply #616013

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Granted, I haven't watched an Adelaide game recently
Don't let that stop you offering an opinion though.


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LV
Two months ago
15:33 1 Jan 17

Reply #616014

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Their D hasn't been horrible. but it's been bad. Too many open 3's for Melbourne, for example they have CG43 a wide open one, which allowed him to really get some confidence up before he started hitting some tougher shots. And the help D hasn't been good enough on some of the drives to the basket either.


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LV
Two months ago
15:34 1 Jan 17

Reply #616015

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

KR. Where did I offer an opinion on the last few weeks? I offered an opinion on today's game and earlier in the season. Feel free to show me where I'm wrong


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Mike
Two months ago
15:34 1 Jan 17

Reply #616016

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

That is just rude


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Mike
Two months ago
15:35 1 Jan 17

Reply #616017

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jesus how does Barlow have a contract


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LV
Two months ago
15:36 1 Jan 17

Reply #616018

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

More wide open looks for United to start the second half....


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Mike
Two months ago
15:37 1 Jan 17

Reply #616019

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Yeah 6ers aren't even guarding the perimeter


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:37 1 Jan 17

Reply #616020

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sixers are playing the classic Tommy Garlepp D and dropping into the key every time the ball is inside the arc.


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LV
Two months ago
15:37 1 Jan 17

Reply #616021

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Wiiiiiiiiide open drive for Casper with token resistance....


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:38 1 Jan 17

Reply #616022

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Big New Years Eve for some of these Sixers players I think...


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
15:39 1 Jan 17

Reply #616023

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The 36ers D which has stepped up in the past 6 weeks seems to have reverted back to what it was in the first few weeks of the season.

Melbourne are getting too many wide open looks and they are getting to the basket way too easily right now.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:39 1 Jan 17

Reply #616024

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Angus you leave Tommy out of this


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AC
Two months ago
15:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #616025

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Barlow has the ugliest shot I've ever seen


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Mike
Two months ago
15:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #616026

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Lol @ Greer writing off the Cats


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #616027

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Wesley looks like a 50/50 travel call nearly every time he touches the ball.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:40 1 Jan 17

Reply #616028

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

'Barlow has the ugliest shot I've ever seen'

In the NBL yes


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Tom
Two months ago
15:42 1 Jan 17

Reply #616029

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne on fire. 36ers need to hold their nerve and claw their way back to make it respectable. Johnson needs to step up. Sobey has been too casual. Defensively they are showing on the screen and instead of attacking Casper they are too timid and the double opportunity is lost. Hang in there sixers fans.. hope it doesn't get ugly. Randle having to do too much. Needs help.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:42 1 Jan 17

Reply #616030

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Adelaide pls


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Joshuapending
Two months ago
15:43 1 Jan 17

Reply #616031

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Just head back home this is just one of those games. When Melbourne are on you can't stop all the shooting. That and we are playing so bad.


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Mike
Two months ago
15:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #616032

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Is T Ferg even going to get drafted?

He is atrocious


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:45 1 Jan 17

Reply #616034

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

6 points this quarter...


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
15:45 1 Jan 17

Reply #616035

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

WTF was Jacobsen doing there? He didn't know whether to shoot or pass. Ended up passing it and turning it over.


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:46 1 Jan 17

Reply #616036

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jacobsen was just copying the move from Sobey in the last quarter.


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AC
Two months ago
15:47 1 Jan 17

Reply #616037

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

^^^
Watching Ferguson and I can't see this was his best choice


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
15:49 1 Jan 17

Reply #616038

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

@AngusH......sadly yes.

Don't get me wrong, Ferguson has got talent, but if he does actually get drafted I can see him spending a fair bit of time in the D-League. He still defends like he's in high school. And as we just saw his passing game leaves a bit to be desired at times.


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
15:54 1 Jan 17

Reply #616039

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I can't say I'm surprised by the score right now. Yes Adelaide were on an 8 game winning streak, but they were playing games 3 or 4 days apart. They haven't played in 10 days and what I feared seems to have happened....they've gone cold again.

Melbourne on the other hand have come into this after destroying Brisbane a week ago and beating Cairns on Thursday.


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AngusH
Two months ago
15:55 1 Jan 17

Reply #616040

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Come on Tommy Greer, it wasn't Adelaide turning up the pressure in the 3rd, it was Melbourne bricking wide open 3s...


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
15:58 1 Jan 17

Reply #616041

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Coming here was never a smart move by Ferguson tbh.


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
16:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #616042

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I don't think it was a stupid move for Ferguson to come to Australia to play rather than college ball, but he definitely hasn't progressed as much as he should have.


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AngusH
Two months ago
16:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #616043

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

His draft stock has improved according to draft-express, plus he would be on good money. IMO it was a good move, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more guys like him coming over in the next couple of years.


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AngusH
Two months ago
16:03 1 Jan 17

Reply #616044

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Awful D by Creek there... forgot to even raise a hand in Ware's general direction until the ball had left his hand.


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Perth Wilburs
Two months ago
16:03 1 Jan 17

Reply #616045

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

What was the story behind Perth Wildcats picking up Chris Goulding and then releasing him?


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Mike
Two months ago
16:07 1 Jan 17

Reply #616047

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

WARIOWARE


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Mike
Two months ago
16:08 1 Jan 17

Reply #616048

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

'What was the story behind Perth Wildcats picking up Chris Goulding and then releasing him?'

Not much of a story, he just left


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Manu Fieldel
Two months ago
16:09 1 Jan 17

Reply #616049

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I like Tommy Greer's enthusiasm, but a lot of what he says is trite.


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Mike
Two months ago
16:10 1 Jan 17

Reply #616050

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Geesus me timbers


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
16:10 1 Jan 17

Reply #616051

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Can someone please explain how Ferguson's draft stock has increased?


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Mike
Two months ago
16:11 1 Jan 17

Reply #616053

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

DA FERG


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Mike
Two months ago
16:12 1 Jan 17

Reply #616054

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

DENG DOE


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SteveK2
Two months ago
16:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #616055

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Ware is putting a statement game that he's the top dog in scoring. That deep 3 pointer when he got iso'ed with Randle at the top of the key is his demonstration of offensive superiority... "I got more range than you".


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Mike
Two months ago
16:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #616056

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Randle has range but Ware owned this matchup


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Mike
Two months ago
16:14 1 Jan 17

Reply #616057

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sack DD?


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
16:14 1 Jan 17

Reply #616058

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Lol @ 6ers


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Perth Wilburs
Two months ago
16:14 1 Jan 17

Reply #616059

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne looks the team to beat. They were massively good this game. Three huge wins.


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Mike
Two months ago
16:15 1 Jan 17

Reply #616061

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Does Ware make NBL 1st team?

It's 2 of Ware, Randle and Lisch for mine


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Hendo8888
Two months ago
16:16 1 Jan 17

Reply #616063

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

30 and 7 with 0 turnovers would win most match-ups I'd imagine.


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AngusH
Two months ago
16:17 1 Jan 17

Reply #616064

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The draft stock shows you the overall opinion of the NBL, IMO. Brandon Jennings wasn't outstanding in Italy but was a better rated prospect than Ferguson. Mudiay put up decent numbers in a poor Chinese league, but I'd argue that putting up worse numbers in the NBL is better for your draft stock than scoring 18 a night in China.


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Zodiac
Two months ago
16:18 1 Jan 17

Reply #616066

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jennings was horrible in Italy.

Ferguson has improved his stock for sure.


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AC
Two months ago
16:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616068

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Ware certainly Handled Randle


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Anonymous
Two months ago
16:24 1 Jan 17

Reply #616071

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Gees drmic carries on like a flog


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LV
Two months ago
16:27 1 Jan 17

Reply #616073

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne now 7-2 with Casper and 10-4 with CG43.

Will watch Bryce-Cotton closely. chance of Mel vs per gf if he turns out well. Imagine 5 sellouts at Hisense/RLA And Perth Arena!


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HoldenV8
Two months ago
16:27 1 Jan 17

Reply #616074

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I understand where you are coming from @AngusH, but young players also need to show improvement and TBH Ferguson has rarely shown that.

His passing game still leaves a lot to be desired, as does his D 90% of the time, and his court awareness is nowhere near what it should be for someone touted as a first round NBA draft pick. Yes he can dunk and hit the occasional 3, but right now that seems to be about it. Today he put up just 2 shots in 19:58, with his only points being that 3 near the end. And 1 rebound in that time from your starting SF just isn't enough.

TBH he hardly touched the ball in that all but 20 minutes on the court today, and one time he actually did he threw a pass that caused a turnover.

Like I said before, Ferguson is talented and does have potential, but I really haven't seen a lot of improvement from him since he arrived despite the fact that right now he is starting at SF.


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overloaded
Two months ago
16:30 1 Jan 17

Reply #616078

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sydney then daylight


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overloaded
Two months ago
16:36 1 Jan 17

Reply #616080

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Did Sobey play today?


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KET
Two months ago
16:52 1 Jan 17

Reply #616082

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne fans will be loving it, but lets pose the question:

Does mid-season acquisitions tarnish the competitive nature of the NBL?

I'm not talking about injury replacements, i'm talking about what could become buying championships.

It's one thing to have teams spending and stacking at the start of the season (which we've discussed before), but it's another enormous advantage for resourced teams to have the ability to figure out midseason what's working and what's not and making even better changes to get the job done. It starts defeating the purpose of the game itself.

How could this be combatted? Perhaps a limit on releasing/signing players after x rounds with an exception for injury waiver and exceptional circumstances. Or will we just see fake injuries and "personal reasons" excuses so clubs can get their way?


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #616085

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sobey did play despite spending last night and until very early this morning under observation in hospital. Somebody saying he had bad case of gastro so let us hope he recovers well before the Hawkes .


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Tom
Two months ago
17:05 1 Jan 17

Reply #616086

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Lucky you've got 11 wins on the board. Might just be enough to get you into the playoffs.
Melbourne are now the bench mark though.
Perth might be able to challenge them provide they can go 6 or 7 of 11. We will have to see what Cotton has got.
Kings, Sixers, Brisbane and Hawks in a dog fight now.
Where is the threshold 14 or 15 wins.
You have 2 each against NZ,Cairns and Hawks. H and A. Maybe 4/6 could do it.
You've got Sydney and Brisbane at home so maybe an upset over either would clinch it?
In the event of equal points is it the series result? Could be a nail biter for two teams.


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Zodiac
Two months ago
17:05 1 Jan 17

Reply #616087

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Comes off as sour grapes KET.

Just because we don't have much money and can't afford to make import changes doesn't mean every other team shouldn't be allowed to.

We just got blown out of the water by a hungrier team on the day so be it. We're still top coming off an 8 game winning streak, lack of money wasn't an issue then.


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SteveK2
Two months ago
17:08 1 Jan 17

Reply #616088

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I agree with AngusH that a rising overall opinion of the NBL certainly has an effect on the evaluation of his draft stock. I'd venture to guess that the 24 seconds clock, physicality of the league/Boomers (Paul George was whinging about those dirty Australians) and the presence of some well-known ex-NBA/D league players are the main factors affecting their rising opinion.

They would put the NBL on-par with top division 1 programs and can see that while Ferguson isn't tearing it up down here, he is definitely coachable and can play a role within a system.


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LV
Two months ago
17:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616090

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

KET, this has always happened, it's just happening more, now that there's 3 imports. And the soft cap would play a role too.

If it was going to be stopped, how? You already stated the problem yourself, with a limit after X rounds, we might see injuries becoming "injuries".


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:29 1 Jan 17

Reply #616093

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Randle who? Schooled.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:33 1 Jan 17

Reply #616094

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

"Does mid-season acquisitions tarnish the competitive nature of the NBL? "

No it does not...it happens everywhere.


"I'm not talking about injury replacements, i'm talking about what could become buying championships. "

It doesn't even come close to buying championships. but please do go on.


"but it's another enormous advantage for resourced teams to have the ability to figure out midseason what's working and what's not and making even better changes to get the job done. "

Teams reviewing their roster and strategy constantly and making appropriate adjustments, THE HORROR.

Just because the Sixers dug up Christopherson mid season and United dug up Ware does not invalidate the process.


"How could this be combatted? "

By preventing Sixer fans having internet access whilst having Sodium Chloride in their mouth after a loss.


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KET
Two months ago
17:35 1 Jan 17

Reply #616095

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Comes off as sour grapes KET.


36ers are first on the ladder and doing far better than I ever thought, so don't reduce the value of the question by making an immature slight.

There's a reason why it's framed as a question and not a statement, it's a legitimate substantive question to put forward for discussion. It's meant to spark discussion and ideas, not get slapped down by pathetic time-wasting slights.

KET, this has always happened, it's just happening more, now that there's 3 imports.


Indeed. We've got an extra import spot and a soft cap instead of a hard cap. Does this play a part in allowing resourced clubs to be anti-competitive and just buy up better players mid-season to make sure they always win?


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KET
Two months ago
17:41 1 Jan 17

Reply #616096

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

For a discussion board, people seem to struggle with the concept of facilitating discussion.


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AC
Two months ago
17:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #616098

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

We could write Adelaide off as the benchmark or wait for the rematch in a week or so and make a more balanced called now we know where both teams sit in terms of roster and capabilities


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overloaded
Two months ago
17:59 1 Jan 17

Reply #616099

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Surely they wont allow Williams to come back now?
He is awful


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AC
Two months ago
18:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #616100

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Williams is a huge body, but from 3 games it seems Boone has game and athletic ability


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Zodiac
Two months ago
18:05 1 Jan 17

Reply #616102

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

There's a reason why it's framed as a question and not a statement, it's a legitimate substantive question to put forward for discussion. It's meant to spark discussion and ideas, not get slapped down by pathetic time-wasting slights.


My aren't you a precious one? It's not a legitimate question it's sour grapes by a very one-eyed Sixers fan after we just copped a belting.

Where was this 'legitimate question' during the 8 game winning streak? We're on top of the ladder, relax.




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cats 4 life
Two months ago
18:24 1 Jan 17

Reply #616106

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Not for long, hawks next then Nz away and Melbourne again.


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koberulz
Two months ago
18:43 1 Jan 17

Reply #616107

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

For a discussion board, people seem to struggle with the concept of facilitating discussion.
You should create a new thread for it, you'll probably get better responses. It's certainly a thought I had a couple of weeks ago.

Not for long, hawks next then Nz away and Melbourne again.
Hawks are gettable, and NZ are useless. That's not a particularly terrifying schedule.


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Tom
Two months ago
18:44 1 Jan 17

Reply #616108

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Don't have to wait for a couple of weeks. I look at what Sixers have and what United have and I can make my call now. United have to play poorly, Sixers have to play above themselves just to have any chance.
Casper has given Goulding, Blanchfield and Moore the freedom to play/shoot pretty much with no pressure. Their team is playing better than the Sixers. Casper knows he doesn't have to do it all.They have more depth, contributors. They've also got the best mop up crew going around in Majok and Boone when they do shoot poorly.
The Sixers are so dependent on one player. Randle has to have 35+ nights for you to compete against United. Thats a tough ask. Maybe he will maybe he won't.
United might go down in Adelaide. I hope they do, I suppose you hope they do to. But thats it HOPE.
If they do lose, it won't be by much and it will not threaten the +34 margin they are up in the head to head.


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KET
Two months ago
18:55 1 Jan 17

Reply #616109

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

"A very one-eyed Sixers fan"....have you actually ever read my posts?

Absolutely clueless and a pathetic cheap shot.

We're on top of the ladder, relax.


Exactly a reason why I wouldn't have sour grapes which is why I just said that in my previous comment which I gather you didn't bother to read since that doesn't seem to be your thing in this thread.

Where was this 'legitimate question' during the 8 game winning streak? We're on top of the ladder, relax.


You just don't get it do you?

It's not about the 36ers, it's about the fact we're in a period of transformational and structural change in the NBL with likely more to come and it's worth discussing the structure along with the pros and cons.

Which is another thing you don't get - you naturally assume a particular position has been taken as an answer to the question posed instead of the intellectual curiousity of considering both advantages and disadvantages and fleshing out the ideas. This is despite the fact it's a clear invitation to consider both the pro's and cons.

Only a few days ago I posted a thread triggered by Boti's article about refereeing - I had been meaning to do it for some time but this gave a good opportunity. Now if I had posted that exact same thread after a 36ers loss to a controversial call would that make the thread suddenly sour grapes? Would it be suddenly less legitimate? Would the substance suddenly not exist? Or would it have been a good segue to what is regardless an interesting discussion to have? Funnily enough, with all these moves by the Wildcats, NZ, Sydney and Melbourne it has been on the cards for discussion anyway. It's kind of a relevant topic at the moment.

So why is this particular question interesting? For the same reasons why the discussion about the soft cap and 3 imports and teams stacking at the start of the year was interesting, but with the added element of mid-season review and replacement.

If you've got teams with resources and the will to win in a system which allows them to effectively pay what they like to attract players - they're going to try and attract the best aren't they?

At the start of the season you're taking a risk the chemistry and players will work and the quality will be there. There's still that element of risk.

If you're able to take away that element of risk by signing better players during the season in order to win, they're probably going to do that.

This opens the prospect that we end up having the same four stacked teams making up the top four year after year. At which point why do the other four clubs bother existing if they're born to lose - that's the anti-competitive nature of it, and what chance does having four teams always losing have of those clubs surviving anyway?

It might be easy to point to this season as being even and debunking these type of ideas of anti-competitive behaviour - and I actually agree with what they've got in place at the moment for the short term which I have stated before (shock horror Zodiac - if only you bother reading what is written instead of making assumptions! And maybe it's best not making claims about what I am if you haven't read my stuff before!), but what if injuries and slow moves by clubs makes this more of an outlier than proof of the contrary?

At the end of the day, this could be an aspect of the NBL structure which long term is not necessarily viable for a competitive league.


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KET
Two months ago
18:56 1 Jan 17

Reply #616111

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Agreed Kobe, it certainly would have been better served in its own thread.


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overloaded
Two months ago
19:01 1 Jan 17

Reply #616112

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The umpiring bias to home teams is disgusting in this comp.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
19:09 1 Jan 17

Reply #616113

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The foul count was 21-19 and against Melbourne early something to the tune of 9-2.... you might want to rethink home cooking buddy


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Zodiac
Two months ago
19:47 1 Jan 17

Reply #616114

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Absolutely clueless and a pathetic cheap shot.


Enough. You're wound way too tight to engage with any further and frankly you should be embarrassed about going off like a cut snake over my harmless "Comes off as sour grapes" comment.

I just hope you don't have a cat in your household.


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KET
Two months ago
19:51 1 Jan 17

Reply #616115

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Look in the mirror Zodiac.


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Brunson
Two months ago
19:52 1 Jan 17

Reply #616116

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Tom "Their team is playing better than the Sixers." Really is that why you were down by 14 to Cairns and should have lost the game a couple of days ago?

"Melbourne early something to the tune of 9-2" What does it matter if the count was 50-2? If all 50 fouls were a foul then it is a foul. There was home cooking in that game but it didn't affect the result.


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KET
Two months ago
20:04 1 Jan 17

Reply #616117

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Zodiac I went to the effort to flesh out and facilitate discussion - and people like you derail it by not only completely avoiding the discussion but try to devalue the merit by making petty comments. You didn't even bother to actually address the discussion.

And re: your last comment - the tactic of accusing the other of doing exactly what you're doing is essentially just trolling.

Enough is enough.


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AC
Two months ago
20:17 1 Jan 17

Reply #616120

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Can't Melbourne win a game without the accusations of home-cooking, ref bias, NBL conspiracy...


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skull
Two months ago
20:34 1 Jan 17

Reply #616121

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Melbourne are only just scratching the surface with that roster...the 5 game GF series is theirs to lose.


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Tom
Two months ago
20:41 1 Jan 17

Reply #616122

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Brunson I am actually a Breakers supporter but we are not going too well at the moment. I actually can't stand United and have never supported them. I have always found them quite an arrogant side. But being a basketball junkie I like to keep my finger on the pulse.
You are actually dead right and I was cheering for Cairns all the way the other night. Cairns should have won.
But that is my very point. Good teams, which United have now become with the addition of Casper Ware, find a way to win games they should lose. They will win more close games than they lose.
Does not mean they are invincible and I give the Sixers their due they could upset United. But there are a lot more things that would have to fall into place than for United to win.
You're obviously a fan and good on you for standing up for your team. I don't feel strongly about either team. I see the Sixers as overachieving this season and should they qualify for the payoffs good luck to them. But they will be underdogs to win the title.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
20:57 1 Jan 17

Reply #616124

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

That's the perfect loss for adelaide. They stay clear too. They were embarrassing and have no right to feel anything near over confident and now need to regroup and refocus, which they will. Expect them to make another run of sorts to close out the season. No team wants to go into finals on some stupidly long winning streak. Complacent is not a word this group will use. Ferguson side note as an import is just shocking. Regressed and this stupid experiment everyone seems so excited about has been a bust. We needed an extra 14 points today from someone not named Randle ronkssp the defence honest. Bust from an import point of view for this season! Not his career etc but for the team he plays for.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
20:58 1 Jan 17

Reply #616125

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Tissue Brunson? Nothing wrong with today's refs compared to recent games. You just got beat. Pure and simple


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LV
Two months ago
21:14 1 Jan 17

Reply #616126

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Zodiac, you sound ridiculous.

Fair questions KET is raising.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
21:20 1 Jan 17

Reply #616127

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sobey had the flu really badly and was a game day decision to play. Apparently didn't train all week. He looked off too. I was at the game and he looked pale and lacked energy.


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LV
Two months ago
21:41 1 Jan 17

Reply #616130

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

If you want to talk about team to beat or power rankings or whatever, United's win today means they've just stolen that mantle off Adelaide.

It's worth noting that United's percentage is the best in the competition. Their two biggest losses were in back to back games- by 9 points in Illawarra and 16 against Sydney- and both were while Goulding and Blanchfield were injured, and before Casper Ware arrived.


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LV
Two months ago
22:00 1 Jan 17

Reply #616132

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I think the above Bodes well for United's playoff chances

When they've had a relatively healthy team, they simply haven't Been beaten comfortably beaten much at all. So, logically over a 3 and then 5 game series, if they consistently do enough to *at least* make it close, even if they aren't near their best, then probability suggests they have a very good chance of winning it all.

A team like Adelaide on the other hand has been blown out a stack of times. But have done very well in close (ish) games. But if teams are making improvements as Melbourne has with Casper and Perth could potentially have with Bryce Cotton, those close wins can very easily turn into close losses before the seasons done.


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John
Two months ago
22:02 1 Jan 17

Reply #616134

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Just saw Sobey, out for tea with his family. Looked fine to me. We were on the next table. If he was that sick he should of been in bed.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
22:17 1 Jan 17

Reply #616136

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Thanks john. You know best. Maybe he is trying over it and the worst has passed. Some nosy type on here.


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
22:22 1 Jan 17

Reply #616137

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Lol.

Did Sobey have his 'N' 'S' tattoos showing?


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Train
Two months ago
22:37 1 Jan 17

Reply #616139

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

@KET - I often thought that with 3 imports that there might be tactics of holding off the third import until Dec/Jan and then signing a superstar. $200K for a 2 month contract would get you a much better import than $200K for a 5-6 month contract. I am all for it as the rules are the same for everyone.

There is also the risk of messing with team chemistry at the business end of the season so I think there are pros and cons to it all. Certainly adds an extra dimension to team management.


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Alan
Two months ago
23:10 1 Jan 17

Reply #616144

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sobey was training the last week at Warrnambool.


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John
Two months ago
23:13 1 Jan 17

Reply #616145

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Think Sobey, couldn't match it with Golding.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
23:16 1 Jan 17

Reply #616146

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I am with Zodiac. KET's 'line of questioning' smacks of sour grapes. It lacks class, but we've come to expect that.


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John
Two months ago
23:21 1 Jan 17

Reply #616147

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Someone who doesn't put there name to a post.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
07:00 2 Jan 17

Reply #616151

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Great insight John! So you saw Nathan training on Boxing Day in Warrnambool on Facebook, and you're giving the scoop hey pal? Cheers, great research fella.

Firstly, Sobey and Goulding did t even really match up on each other clown! Sobey only played around 14 mins. He sat most of the second half!

The issue here is how quickly you bandwagon jumping clowns chop and change your support/teams,

One minute it's 'sack DD' then its they are the team to beat. Then it's ROFLcopter talking ish about tattoo's? Clowns.

If a team or a player has an off game, let them roll, they will pick it up as you can see! Melb played great and were coached well last night too! The Sixers could very well knock them off the next game they play for all anyone on here knows.

But overall, the award goes to John, for great Facebook stalking research.


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
07:44 2 Jan 17

Reply #616154

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The N S thing warrants a thread of its own...don't you think Nathan?


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Alan
Two months ago
07:47 2 Jan 17

Reply #616155

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Yes Sobey was training at brauer collage in Warrnambool who said he didn't train for a week. Just played a shit game get over it Anonymons. Won't make the finals stop randle then they have nothing.


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
07:49 2 Jan 17

Reply #616156

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I should add that Sobey is one of my favourite players to watch...inspite of that ink.
He was obviously out of sorts yesterday...unfortunately, as the game would've been much closer if Randle had some help.

Not everything written on a forum is serious. Some of it is just piss taking banter.


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John
Two months ago
08:24 2 Jan 17

Reply #616157

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Can't you read Anon l didn't say l saw Sobey training. I sat on the next table when he was dining with his family. Was eating ok for a sick person.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
08:58 2 Jan 17

Reply #616158

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Alan, so from Boxing Day to new years years day is how long? People can't get crook in that time frame? Cheers doc. Stick to your Warrnambool basketball commentary.


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Alan
Two months ago
09:17 2 Jan 17

Reply #616159

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

You said he didn't train for a week. He was that sick, wasnt going to play. Then John said he was having dinner that night.!!!! Sorry not from Warrnambool mate.


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KET
Two months ago
09:41 2 Jan 17

Reply #616160

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

It's best to ignore Anon's, John.

Train - Agreed, the rules are there for everyone to utilise, certainly can't complain at teams doing what they're meant to do - try win within the rules.

In some sense I agree there is still a risk of chemistry issues, although obviously Randle and Ware are examples of fitting in well.

I think the evenness of this season may be masking the issues that could present in following seasons.

The system allowing the resourced clubs to pay more creates anything but even rosters and the ability to manage that strategy far into the season up (until minimum games played becomes an issue) is another method of utilising resources where other clubs with lesser resources simply won't be able to.

In much the same way as the current cap structure could be problematic in the future, so could mid-season player release & acquisition.

In terms of this season, we've hit a nice little optimal scenario - the system designed to allow resourced teams to attract higher quality and standard of players has worked and we've managed to have an even league unlike any other ever. Before the season I supported and put confidence in the current structure for the short term but noted a change needs to be made for long term competitiveness and viability.

The same applies for this mid-season replacement, it's done a lot of good the last few years and this year but it's certainly something that is worth looking at as the league evolves longer term.

Just an FYI for people - 36ers are a club who traditionally replaces a player mid-season. Think Randle last year and Johnson & Motum in 14/15.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
10:14 2 Jan 17

Reply #616162

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Any chance adelaide could replace Ferguson with a player that has skmetyhing to offer the tweak not just his own career prospects later on?


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KET
Two months ago
10:15 2 Jan 17

Reply #616163

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Nup


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Anonymous
Two months ago
10:34 2 Jan 17

Reply #616164

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Shock horror! The better resourced teams in PROFESSIONAL sport do tend to be the more successful. There are always outliers (Leicester city) but most of time money talks.
If other teams can't keep up, then they need to improve off the court as much as on the court. This whole 'everything has to be even ' attitude is probably why the nbl had issues in the past.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
10:49 2 Jan 17

Reply #616167

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The Bulldogs are probably one of the worst resourced team in the afl, it's not always about money, Illawarra do very well on a limited budget as well.

Re chopping and changing your squad, the kings have battled for wins ever since Blake was brought in and just beat NZ and lost to Hawks after bringing in Jackson.You need team chemistry or it doesn't work unless you get a player of Casper Ware talent.


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Train
Two months ago
11:03 2 Jan 17

Reply #616170

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

@KET - There is the 8 game minimum rule a player needs to play to qualify for finals. Perhaps if this becomes an issue the NBL could raise the amount of games an import needs to play to 10-12 with an exemption for serious injury.

PS - This really needs its own thread lol. Can we start one and get a mod to split the comments ?


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
12:52 2 Jan 17

Reply #616180

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The bulldogs aren't a fair comparison.

In my opinion, their squad is probably 6th or 7th best in the league. But their 2016 is proof of what an awesome coach and strong leadership can do.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
13:27 2 Jan 17

Reply #616184

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

The point I'm making re the Bulldogs is that even if there squad is the best or the worst they are one of the smallest resourced club outside the playing list, i.e. Less physios, recruiters, coaches etc, similar to Illawarra and Adelaide and both do well with what they got.


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
13:33 2 Jan 17

Reply #616185

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Fair point...and agreed.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
13:37 2 Jan 17

Reply #616186

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1


guys give Sobey a break ...he simply did not have enough in the tank to battle on after having spent most of the night in the emergency ward with severe stomach pain due to gastro and dehydration...... obviously he felt better prior to the game and thought he could contribute ...but in the end he ran out of gas. the fact he went out for a meal with his family does not mean he was not sick prior to the match nor that he was not feeling the loss of energy during the game ... it just means he wanted to catch up with family since the game was in Melbourne. Goulding had a great game but it was the gastro that got Sobey


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KET
Two months ago
14:11 2 Jan 17

Reply #616191

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Agreed Train I really should have made an independent thread.

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Increasing minimum number of games is one way to do it, although if an injured player doesn't manage to get to that number, that might be pretty harsh.

I do propose a tweak to your idea though - player acquisition could be limited for up to a particular date, say 31 December. It has the effect of requiring roughly a player be there for a substantial period of the season without hindering the chances of an injured player being able to play finals.

I think an alteration of the cap structure generally is the best way to cure this issue in the future. I wouldn't envisage it in the next 2-3 years because of the direction of incentivising greater resource output to attract the best talent.

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Anon #616164 - I understand where this argument comes from: survival of the fittest - those who manage their club the best deserve to be so, failed models either improve or die. The problem is, there's an aspect of all clubs being in some way reliant upon each other. And there's not all that much wealth for basketball at the moment.

For the NBL to be successful and sustainable it really needs 8 viable and stable clubs. If two, three or four clubs are consistently down the bottom for long periods and never challenging then that can cause clubs to go under through diminished media coverage, fan base and sponsors. Can't get resources to win, can't win to get resources. It's a catch-22.

You're right that money talks usually. That's why between 1996 and 2015 we saw 20 English Premier League championships split between 4 sides: Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea & Arsenal.

Which is why I like the AFL system so much. Every team has the resources for a roster within the cap. Sure, some have more to spend on coaching staff or physios - but at the end of the day players count as a major factor. That's why we don't usually see AFL sides down the bottom for extended periods.

The Saints are a nice little representation: Good in the late 90s, terrible early 000's, top 4 mid 000's, grandfinalsts around 2010, then it reset: bad again for about 4 years, then close to a top 8 side last year.

I agree with ROFLcopter, not the best roster but a great coach at the Bulldogs. I'd much rather the success of a club come down to good club and team management and scouting then resources put into players. That's why the AFL is so determined to ensure even the poorer clubs spend equal to the rich when it comes to rosters.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:14 2 Jan 17

Reply #616193

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

This game showed the Sixers aren't that good. But because of their lucky run, they will probably make the play-offs, leaving one of the better teams outside the Top 4 (probably Perth).


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:15 2 Jan 17

Reply #616194

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Sobey looked very nervous going up against his role model, Goulding. I guess this is normal.


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KET
Two months ago
14:17 2 Jan 17

Reply #616195

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I'm 50/50 on whether Adelaide makes the playoffs. I'm sticking to my prediction that Sydney and Melbourne will be the teams to beat and if Brissy get out of their rut plus a Perth comeback you might have the top 4 there.

Ofcourse there's a good chance i'll look like a complete idiot for discounting Hawks every year - much like how people treat my San Antonio Spurs.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:21 2 Jan 17

Reply #616196

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Yeah let think you will look stupid for that selection. Brisbane are done. Hawks are rolling just enough. United Sydney and adelaide. Who wins it? I think united.


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KET
Two months ago
14:24 2 Jan 17

Reply #616198

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I might be a little affected by Lemanis' coaching magic in 2016.

With Petrie & Bairstow injured that gives a position for the Hawks.


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Train
Two months ago
14:27 2 Jan 17

Reply #616199

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Next 4 games are going to define the 36ers season. Hawks, NZ, United then Wildcats. If they can get at least 2 of those games they will be n good shape to see finals action.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
14:46 2 Jan 17

Reply #616201

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

I don't understand the excitement on Sydney, looked unbeatable early but now struggling. They rely on Lisch and Newley to much. If Cadee doesn't score 20 plus he's a liability in defence, as with Garlepp, even Powel and Maric can get into foul trouble early.

Now I've said my bit there probably certainties to win it. I tipped Melbourne at start and after looking so poor now look like favourites.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
16:13 2 Jan 17

Reply #616215

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Rob Beveridge teams make the Top 4 every year. You can book it. He's like the modern day Brian Goorjian in terms of getting his teams playing at a high level as the season progresses.

Top 4 will likely be:
1) Sydney
2) Melbourne
3) Adelaide
4) Illawarra

5) Perth
6) Cairns
7) New Zealand
8) Brisbane


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Jo
Two months ago
16:52 2 Jan 17

Reply #616220

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

How many championship has Bevo won??


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Anonymous
Two months ago
16:59 2 Jan 17

Reply #616222

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

He's won 1, and runner-up twice I believe. But he's made the Top 4 the last umpteen years.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:11 2 Jan 17

Reply #616224

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

No he is good very good. His whole angle has been the ability to achieve with weak rosters. With guys like bevo judge on his ability to lift the weak not titles. Unlike gorrjian etc he hasn't always gone to the biggest spending team.


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Jo
Two months ago
18:58 2 Jan 17

Reply #616241

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Bevo, should of won more championship with Perth with the team he had. Didn't have a week rooster with Perth. We were glad to move him on.


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Jo
Two months ago
18:58 2 Jan 17

Reply #616242

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Bevo, should of won more championship with Perth with the team he had. Didn't have a week rooster with Perth. We were glad to move him on.


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koberulz
Two months ago
19:08 2 Jan 17

Reply #616244

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

He lost Damo during the playoffs two of those years, and the third he lost Redhage late in the season.

Speak for yourself.


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Jo
Two months ago
20:01 2 Jan 17

Reply #616250

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

You need 10 players in your team not one player mate.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
20:12 2 Jan 17

Reply #616251

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Bevo only left because he wanted the Boomers coaching job, which the Wildcats management felt was not conducive to the Wildcats head coach role.


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Jo
Two months ago
20:31 2 Jan 17

Reply #616257

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

With one championship l don't think so.


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
20:39 2 Jan 17

Reply #616259

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jo > Dazz


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Anonymous
Two months ago
21:30 2 Jan 17

Reply #616269

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Jo.

At the time Redhage went down @ Adelaide with the horrific hip injury, he was the second scoring option behind Lisch.

Damo's injury was also very unfortunate as we came up against the Ced Jackson lead Breakers on their three-peat run.

The Wildcats not winning more had equally as much to do with how good NZ was as how the Cats had injuries.


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KET
Two months ago
21:40 2 Jan 17

Reply #616271

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

If you lose a key player for a playoffs run, that's a genuine issue it would be foolish to believe otherwise


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Jo
Two months ago
23:09 2 Jan 17

Reply #616296

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Never going to get the boomers job, what with one championship. With the best team in the league. Jack new best and let him go.


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LV
Two months ago
10:22 3 Jan 17

Reply #616343

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Questioning Bevo's record in Perth is a bit like questioning Steve Kerr's record at Golden State...


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Anonymous
Two months ago
13:23 3 Jan 17

Reply #616367

re: United vs 36ers, Jan 1

Cheers Alan!!! http://bit.ly/2iYEtWn


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