Syracuse
Two years ago

SCC Results

Having seen some great basketball over the past four days, I was thinking what others thought of the tournament?
The VM & VC teams were again top shelf and definitely a couple of levels above the other states.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

A great tournament with the majority of teams being of a high standard!
The 4 SAC teams really struggled however and looked out of place at the tournament with one of the boys teams even having a average losing margin of 50pts per game!
Apart from that the VIC teams again looked really strong!!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

WA Metro in the 15 boys showed great signs, well done to all concerned with the team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Vic Metro & Vic Country- Very Good A-A+
SA Metro - Average- good B-
WA Metro & ACT - Better & Improving C+
WA & SA Country- A lot of work needed D-

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wa basketball seems to be on the upper.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Coaching ranks has a lot to do with it! Vic teams had quality coaches and mentor coaches talking with the kids.
The bottom teams had none of this and looked lost

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Shouldn't that be the WA Metro 14s who did well??

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why do vics dominate over other states?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Vics have great depth and great coaches in all grades. The pathway programs are quality and they have great leadership.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Population and participation along with loads more stadiums than anyone else per capita. Bigger pool with more fish to choose from. That makes for more quality teams to play against with more clubs in play Simples.... Although questionable some of the players left at home for some states but it is a development tournament. And betting there are some players trapped in lower grades with no opportunity or others with no confidence to trial despite ability. For some states it is also a development tournament for coaches so may not be the best and for Vic they don't have to travel to also opens up the door for some coaches to apply where other states may have better coaches not available to travel because of family or work commitments. I also think here is too much showcasing and with the focus of the stats on points not defence and team related data that lends itself to that. That may too affect who is selected and the team work and defence that is required to win. Just a thought.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Less populated states still fielding multiple teams effectively weakens teams as well as they try to balance out and not have one team flogged. % of players/teams per population means less talent as well and higher population have more strength in all teams. Numbers game.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cost is always an issue for parents and the States, but when we are looking at development and maybe a way to even out the competition why not double the amount of Victorian teams?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why not. Still think the participation rates in Vic and Population would need them to have at least 6 teams to spread the talent. It is what it is and just an explanation of why the dominance. But a great program and many clubs developing their players well and talent sourcing and identification clearly doing their job well too. What it does tell you is that when an non Vic team fairs well at Nationals then they are fielding some sensational talent and programs from their home clubs. I repeat Home Clubs as they are the ones who do all the work. Maybe the coaching needs to be a focus in those states as that makes a massive difference across an entire comp and multiple clubs. Perhaps if all the clubs worked together for the good of the state and the entire basketball population rather than just their own, then they will have good competition as possible field better teams and not just a few individuals. I say this not to be critical but with concern for the untapped or underdeveloped talent out there that our Country needs in our teams and role modelling to increase participation at all levels. This is a great sport for all. Where you only need a few players and everyone can shoot a goal. It is great for asthma players due to environmental triggers being low low low.. Its all year round and games are short and can be localised.

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Caps Fan  
Two years ago

did any canberra team win a game at all ?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Onto state champs next year
It looks asthough vic domination will continue..

Pretty impressive..

State Champs U20
Vic m Men (8 titles in last decade)
Vic m Women (8 titles in last decade)

State champs u18
Vic m men (5 titles in last decade)
Vic m women (7 titles in last decade)

State champs u16
Vic m men (4 titles in last decade)
Vic m women (8 titles in last decade)

2017 will probably bring another clean sweep for vic m.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

SA Country teams didn't fair well last year with one team in the 15's competition! Why they were allowed to nominate extra teams is very surprising indeed.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If SAC were not very good last year why on earth would they send two teams this year? and why would the tournament organisers allow them to send two teams?
Is it a money grab for SAC and tournament organisers? Isn't this meant to be a high level tournament so why dilute it by sending teams that aren't up to the standard??

Surely they will come to their senses and send one team next year.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Everything nowadays is the $ my friend! The more kids, the more icing on the cake.
Get accustomed too it!!!

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Anon  
Two years ago

WA high performance coach Brett Coxsedge has been doing a good job over there.
It took time and it is now starting to show results with their improvement.

He did the same in NSW by getting coaches to become a part of the program and have continuity which brought success.

He has got coaches involved in the programs the same way in WA and their program has shown rewards.

Pity he could not pick up a job back east.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The u14 boys final is on YouTube. Pretty amazing skills for kids that are only 13 years of age.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Problem is that WA Metro and SA Metro are good or improving. Yet their Country teams stink it up big time!
Vic on the other hand seem to have a good blend of both.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wa country is improving.
I think you'll see them move up the ladder over the next few years.

More so than tas, act, or nt which continue to slide.

Vic metro men and women look to be at the top for,years to come.
Sa metro men and qld Sth/sa metro women's the only ones to challenge.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

You don't think an all-NSW Metro grand final at u14 Boys Club Champs last year says maybe they're headed in the right direction? That QLD North and NSW Country go into 18 Mens with as much chance as either Vic? That Qld North, having finished 4th at 16s last year with 8 bottom age kids including the tournament's leading scorer might be presumptive favourites in 16 Mens?

There's no doubt the Vics are the best in the country, top to bottom, country and metro. In almost any given age group they're more likely to put 4 teams (country and metro, mens and womens) in the top 4 than to have a team finish outside the top 8. But I don't think you're paying much attention if you think they're unchallenged at the very top, nor if you think the teams you named are the only ones to worry about.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The vic u14 teams have a more even spread of talent in the vjbl
Many good players did not make the u14 state champs.

The comets and hornets who were stacked no doubt. But it doesn't give you a good representation of the depth of talent throughout the league.

This years u18 vics 00/01 doesn't have great depth in the front court.
Yes, qld North look deep. Combination of guards and bigs..
U16s also. But with only 1 stand out.

Wa u18 metro will turn heads.
Bowen, Jackson, Buluk front court?

Vic u16 also have 02 centre back and 2 top of the table ecc u16 teams + more.

Sa women 00/01 u18 are strong, so too qld Sth.
But vic have a far superior front court.
Cochrane, nankervis, anstey, locandro, Hollingsworth maybe?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

U20
Sa men
Vic women

U18
Vic m men just over qld n
Vic m women just over qld s

U16
Vic m men
Vic m women

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

SCC is a development tournament and nothing more than that. SAC were off the pace in some games but were competitive in others . Why not expose country athletes to a high level of competition when you can, they certainly can't get that at club or association level. My child came away with a great appreciation of how much improvement is needed to compete at the top level. SAC however would be well advised to not send the best 4 U15's to Albury for the Country Cup in the U16's and send them to SCC instead.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Exposing kids to 40-60 point beltings with other teams carrying on as though it's a training run isn't going to help anyone!
Way off the pace

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Who's in charge of wa metro development?

The boys are going to be very strong this year in u18s and 16s.
A really bright future with u15/u14 boys also.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Brett Coxsedge runs the WA Development programs which is SPP and all the new titles given to the old NITP.

It has taken him a while but the results are starting to show the work he and his coaches have put in are starting to show results.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Agree having seen first hand the work Brett did in NSW, and then seeing him at SCC last week too it's clear he is really improving the WA program.

I think credit has to go to their 14s Coaching staff who clearly had those boys playing some of the best team defense seen at the tournament last week. They were also very well drilled on the offensive end and didn't rely too heavily on any one player or player in particular. That along with their two outstanding bigs could make them a serious contender at 16s in two years time

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Anon  
Two years ago

Hey Anon,
Is that Sam Gruggen by some chance commenting on the work Coxsedge is doing.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I don't get all this sudden interest in WA. They got lucky against the other Vic Metro team they played and were only competitive against weaker teams. One fluke of a tournament doesn't suddenly prove their program, or their Development Manager are really making any great strides over there. Every other team in the 1v2 finals were Vic Metro, so based off of that alone, the rest of the state's still have a ways yet to catch up

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wa men are on the way up for sure.
The women on the other hand are sliding.

It looks asthough the vics men and women will continue to dominate.
Plenty of talented 03/04 athletes...
Only other contenders in the next few years are

Sa metro men
Wa metro men

Sa metro women
Qld Sth women

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

A lot of great things going on down in SA since the Dinger has been running the show down there. This dude has the midas touch.

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[email protected]  
Two years ago

To Anonymous #620841 - I find the above dig at MY WA boys a bit rough to say that we were 'lucky' or that we had a fluke of a tournament. If you compare the results during the tournament of the two Grand Final teams against teams they both played, they were very similar

vs Vic Bushrangers: WAM 70 VCB 45 / VMW 64 VCB 41
vs SA Metro Blue: WAM 85 SAMB 30 / VMW 82 SAMB 36
vs WA Country: WAM 76 WAC 27 / VMW 107 WAC 29
**Unlike or Vic counterparts, we did drop back to less pressure defense for the entire second half of the game against our Country Cousins... we did have to live with them all weekend after all! :-P
vs Vic Metro Blue: WAM 52 VMB 45 / VMW 66 VMB 53

That along with the fact that we had two of the top 3 scorers for the Tournament in both Points Average, and Total Points Scored - shows that it was far from a 'fluke' as you indicated. I think the dig on Brett who is our High Performance Manager over here was even more unwarranted. He has taken our program to a whole new level and the work of our previous Development Manager Dave Naylor also can not be underestimated in why our program has improved the way it has in the last couple of years.

Vic Metro has always been the bench mark for where you need to be at a National perspective, but I think credit needs to be paid to the other states when it is relatively clear the progress we are making to take it up to the Vic's at these sorts of tournaments. We far exceeded our own team goals for the Tournament and I know that even though we lost the Final to Chris and his fantastic team, we certainly weren't disheartened on reflecting upon our own performance over the weekend, and it sure as heck wasn't lucky either.

Alot of scouting opposition game film, post-game recovery and individual player development went into that weekend from my perspective and also my team manager who also acted as a p/t assistant coach - so to pass it off as lucky or a fluke is more comical to me more than anything else.

Travis Young - U14 WA Metro Boys Coach

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Caps Fan  
Two years ago

is / was there a web site for this tournament results ?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=11-9680-0-0-0

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Caps Fan  
Two years ago

Thanks :)

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