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Very Old
Earlier this year

#40684

Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

in the "postscript" here

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/boti-players-of-the-week-15-14/

Two high profile loudmouths having a hissy fit, or is Heal is just too precious for criticism ( we all know Boti is )?

I don't think Heal's reality matches the hype, playing, coaching, betting or commentating ( I still think Rucker should not have been dropped from the commentary team for one accusation, while Heal is there after two) , but then Boti regularly breaks the journo rule of not becoming the story.

Is it appropriate for Heal to twitter stuff that would be seen as an obscenity if used during the a broadcast ?


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XY
Earlier this year
16:20 17 Jan 17

Reply #619161

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti pretty badly misquoted him paraphrasing his statement the first time around. Nothing particularly wrong with what Heal said first on the broadcast or then on twitter.

Heal still thinks there are more talented teams out there that could beat the Sixers in a series - that is not a ludicrous proposition.


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Zodiac
Earlier this year
16:35 17 Jan 17

Reply #619165

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Heal's a dickhead but he's not said or done anything wrong here, more Boti looking for attention. I went to the link and now Boti's site has a popup asking for you to sign up to his newsletter. Put two and two together.

Unfortunately Boti lost it a couple of years ago when he was putting out dud rumours over and over saying Conklin was going to sign with MU and a few other ones he put out there turned out to be false too. There were about 3-4 howlers in one offseason so clearly someone was stringing him along.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
16:38 17 Jan 17

Reply #619166

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

But he sure let us all know which ones he got right!

Heal didn't contradict himself at all.


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Train
Earlier this year
16:41 17 Jan 17

Reply #619169

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

I respect Boti for his dedication to journalism in the NBL but he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something every week. I thought his attack on Dwayne Russell a couple of weeks ago was unnecessary.

It's almost like he really wants a job as a commentator and wants to belittle them all out of jealousy.


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Zodiac
Earlier this year
16:49 17 Jan 17

Reply #619172

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

I thought that too Train his OTT criticism of Dwayne Russell almost seemed personal and his continued shots at Carfino border on childish.


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Train
Earlier this year
16:53 17 Jan 17

Reply #619173

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

It's borderline bullying!


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Matt
Earlier this year
16:55 17 Jan 17

Reply #619175

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Very old

Are you saying Heal was an overrated Basketballer?

Are you saying all he could do was shoot, and offered nothing on Defence/rebounding/or passing(average passer)?

Was Heal's defence a liability that his team's point? In other words, are you saying Darnell Mee is a better point-guard than Shane Heal?

Was Darell Mcdonald a better point guard than Heal in your view?


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Master Chief
Earlier this year
17:06 17 Jan 17

Reply #619178

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Shane Heal has a point and it's a legitimate question mark over Adelaide. He doesn't have to answer to anyone as a commentator who's paid to give his view when asked.

It wasn't an attack on Adelaide.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
17:12 17 Jan 17

Reply #619179

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

I enjoy Boti's blogs and I appreciate that there's someone out there keeping tabs on things, but yeah I agree that he regularly goes far too hard at his targets.
Point out flaws in the NBL product, including graphics, commentary, etc. is not necessarily a bad thing. It's caring about it and identifying room for improvement. But it does appear to lean towards overkill/hating/personal beefs at times.
I'm all for having "Yeah no kidding" as a light-hearted running joke, but in reality there's no real harm if a guy says that a few times per broadcast. It's not going to ruin the whole game for viewers. Neither is "stopping on a dime". I mean it seems pretty hypocritical to get patriotic about language when the whole sport and its associated terminology is imported from overseas.

With the Heal thing there's clearly some personal stuff behind it all. But at the end of the day there's not much real harm in an online twitter exchange.
Hey, I'm torn about Heal as well. I was never really his biggest fan as a player, but at the same time I respected how good he was. Now post-playing career there's all the business allegations plus everything that transpired in the WNBL with the SEQ Stars, which is more than enough to put him back in my bad books, but I also think he does excellent work as part of the commentary team this season.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
17:17 17 Jan 17

Reply #619181

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Neither is trolling, to answer the topic. Boti goes after the commentators a bit too much, and was rough on the sideline commentator this week (worth keeping in mind that sports rhetoric and pandering to basic fans isn't exactly unique to the NBL).

I did initially wonder if Heal's response was a bit sensitive, but his comment verbatim doesn't strike me as crazy at all. Every week I wait for the 36ers slide to start, and every game they surprise me. If the other finals teams were Perth, Melbourne and Sydney, I'd be pretty nervous for the 36ers, and that's after they've won 12 of 13, home, away, etc.

It's also fair to consider that one of these guys works in a medium where they write and re-write their material, while the other was responding off-the-cuff. I say it every time, but I think Heal is a good NBL commentator; I think it's a bit much to criticise him on this.


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paul
Earlier this year
17:48 17 Jan 17

Reply #619189

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

I hadn't read the weekly wrap for a long time until I heard about this little spat.

It's tough producing lots of content and Boti has found a formula that his audience enjoys, and part of that formula is a good chunk of negativity about commentators (and other things) each week.

Nothing has changed since I last read it and I don't expect that to change as long as the audience keeps reading, which is fair enough.

As for this particular incident, what Heal said and what Boti reported he said were very different things, so can understand Heal calling it out but not sure why he would really bother.


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Ingles13
Earlier this year
17:53 17 Jan 17

Reply #619191

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

heal is a great commentator. I have agreed with him about Adelaide being vulnerable. But every win that doubt gets smaller and smaller. They are a great unit, and I highly respect what Mitch Creek has done as captain this season. I sensed trouble when they were 6-3, but Sobey, Randle and DJ have been amazing since then


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:34 17 Jan 17

Reply #619203

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Put Boti on the sidelines I say.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:29 17 Jan 17

Reply #619215

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

It's borderline bullying!


Yeah no kidding!


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Manu Fieldel
Earlier this year
19:41 17 Jan 17

Reply #619216

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti seems like a pompous dick to me. Attacks the man too much. You can make your point and seem perfectly intelligent and intellectual without putting others down; in fact it makes him appear less so.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:45 17 Jan 17

Reply #619218

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti is too ugly to get a radio gig.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:23 17 Jan 17

Reply #619226

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti is the Trevor Gleeson of the journalism world.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:30 17 Jan 17

Reply #619227

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti's blog yesterday "Heal delighted in informing viewers Adelaide couldn't win the NBL this season"

From Boti's blog today this is the transcript he wrote of what Heal actually said after being asked if they are title favourites.

"No. I think they'll finish on top. They've still got question marks. They've been incredible this year and hats off to Joey Wright and his squad for how hard they've played and how well they've played to get to this top position.
But they're still going to have to come up against more talented teams. They've beaten them so far this year but can they do it over a three-game series or a five-game series come finals time?"

So Shane was right to object on this one. Nowhere did he say or suggest that Adelaide can't with the title. He just doesn't think they are favourites. There is a massive difference between those two things.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:37 17 Jan 17

Reply #619228

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti's attack on Neroli from Fox was waaaaaay over the top. That's just embarrassing that he attacked a commentator who is so new to the NBL, and one that is actually a decent up and comer in all of sports commentary.

His ability to call things as he sees them but with only one open is his downfall. It's why a lot of people don't actually take him seriously.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:40 17 Jan 17

Reply #619230

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Yes that was totally uncalled for. Good on her for staying polite when she saw what he wrote. I don't think I would of if I was her.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
20:44 17 Jan 17

Reply #619232

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

No fan of Heal one way or another, but that's part of what commentators do to fill in, and add colour. His comments are reasonable, and besides they have to take a slightly contrarian view to make it interesting. If they all just sat around agreeing that Adelaide was the best, it would be rather boring.
And yes, Boti seems to have taken an unnecessary swipe at Heal.

Heal's language on Twit-box? Nothing much more than Australian vernacular, but yes, as a professional commentator he should hold himself to a higher standard. For people in his role, social media is simply an extension of their media role.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:55 17 Jan 17

Reply #619234

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

for using the phrase talk shit? lol u poor precious boy get real


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Matt
Earlier this year
22:48 17 Jan 17

Reply #619264

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Can someone clear this up with me, with all this Heal stuff.

Who was better Darnell or Heal?
Darell Mcdonald or Heal?

I put a more detailed post up about Heal in this thread, it's mid-section of this thread!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
22:53 17 Jan 17

Reply #619265

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

How is Botti having crack at Neroli and Dwayne? Both are excellent at what they do


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:00 17 Jan 17

Reply #619267

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

If anyone should know what words mean it is a professional print journalist so god only knows why he thinks not favourites is the same as can't win. If that is the standard then no wonder newspapers are going out of business.


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NBL Fan
Earlier this year
23:12 17 Jan 17

Reply #619271

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Oh Dwayne says full house too often and hypes up the product too much... what a criminal. Seriously Boti, you have been complaining just for the sake of it. Even when th league is the best in years, he will find something.


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paul
Earlier this year
00:05 18 Jan 17

Reply #619277

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

"Who was better Darnell or Heal?
Darell Mcdonald or Heal?"

Heal's career was better because he was an outstanding Olympian, had some great seasons in Europe and some quality games in the NBA.

In terms of purely NBL, Heal posted big numbers but didn't become a genuine leader until later in his career for mine, whereas D-Mac and Mee were excellent in that area and at the defensive end.


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Reality
Earlier this year
08:45 18 Jan 17

Reply #619287

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Adelaides self proclaimed leading basketball journo is clinging on to past glories when people actually cared what was written.

In effect now its all about click bait and bagging people who are basically trying to pump up or comment on the league as they are being paid to do.

Maybe its jealousy or that cranky old person syndrome about "Good Old Days where better" but the reality is the self proclaimed leading bball journo is irrelevant in the new NBL media world







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Thunder Jam
Earlier this year
09:50 18 Jan 17

Reply #619291

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

And how many Olympics did Botbrain go to.
Fighting out of his depth here.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:59 18 Jan 17

Reply #619294

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

That really isn't relevant to Heal or Boti having an opinion about who is the current favourites.


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AKA
Earlier this year
13:08 18 Jan 17

Reply #619311

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

Boti is a petulant child who has seen the journalism game go past him unfortunately. He put's down these people as they have a voice that is being heard in the NBL commentary landscape whilst his is no longer cared for.


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KET
Earlier this year
16:16 18 Jan 17

Reply #619337

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

I remember back in 2010ish, Nagy was invited onto one of the basketball shows they had where Heal and Gaze basically ambushed Boti.

To an extent, they've always had it out for Boti and one can presume Boti has always had it out for them.

In this case, i'm with Heal - not only do I agree with what he said, but I think Nagy interpreted his works incorrectly.

While i'd agree Boti seems a little more aggressive in his articles over the last couple of years, he still is a quality journalistwith a strong track record - I think many here perhaps not from South Australia struggle with his clear SA parochialism.


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Matt
Earlier this year
17:10 18 Jan 17

Reply #619344

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

It seems like some are saying Boti is the Les Murray(Australian football) of Australian Basketball.
Actually Boti and Les are both Hungarian post WW2 immigrants to Australia or Boti may of been born here. But it seems like Les, maybe the game has past Boti by and he's living of past glories when he was the face of Australian basketball journalism. SBS is no longer football in OZ, maybe same applies to Boti and the NBL.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
18:02 18 Jan 17

Reply #619353

re: Boti trolling Heal, or Heal trolling Boti ?

for using the phrase talk shit? lol u poor precious boy get real
As I said moron, "Nothing much more than Australian vernacular".
If he was talking with mates at the bar, or any "regular" person used the phrase on twatter, you wouldn't bat an eyelid.
But he wouldn't say that whilst commentating, nor would any journalist write in in a column.


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