Dazz
Two years ago

Cairns v Perth - Sun 5th - 2pm AEST

@PerthWildcats
Matt Knight hasn't travelled to Cairns and will miss tomorrow's game as a precaution, after taking a knock to the head in last night's win.

we're stuffed

It just means that Brandt and McKay will need to step up. I'd still expect us to win. We got to rest a lot of the starters in the fourth last night.

I don't think we've seen it, but just an idea, could McKay and Brandt both coexist on the floor together in short bursts?

They are both very mobile for big men, reasonably skilled and Brandt has an alright jump shot on him (not like Matty's mid range though). I don't think you'd want to use it all the time, but I'd like to see it for a little just to see what would happen. If it works it would help when Knights out and give us another option for our lineups.

Hire could also play more given his hot form. He can handle himself on the boards as a PF

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Brandt will need to play big minutes, and we desperately need McKay to find something. But he really struggles against big guys like Jawai and co.

But yes, we have plenty of depth at the 3/4.

Gleeson MUST start Brandt. If he starts McKay and Wagstaff, McKay will get clobbered, lose confidence, and that will be it.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

With Adelaide laying down, Perth have to win this.

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Btown  
Two years ago

^ not necessarily, but hell it wouldn't hurt.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

This is a MUST win for Perth. I reckon they need 15 wins to be safe.
Win this they go to 14 wins, which gives them a shot next week (win 1 from 2 and they're in.)
More importantly though, it puts another nail in the snakes. If Cairns win this, they go to 13, and face the cruising 6's twice next week.

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CT  
Two years ago

Hope Redhage enjoys his final send-off. The crowd up here always like to let him know how much he's loved and respected.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

perth already has 13 wins and they have 3 games left so if you say they need 15 wins to be safe then this game is not must win dazz they just need 2 out of 3

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Let's hope the refs are micc'ed up.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

perth already has 13 wins and they have 3 games left so if you say they need 15 wins to be safe then this game is not must win dazz they just need 2 out of 3

A) If they lose, that means they must win both next week. No way on earth do I want to see that last game become a "must win." Playing LK's pet team, on their home court, with both fighting for their lives?? No way.
B) As I said, a win also puts another nail in the snakes. If they lose, they're stuck on 12, a max of 14 if they took both games next week, and again I don't think that would be enough.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

translation :- you don't understand the meaning of the word must. tomorrow is a nice to win game.

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BOL  
Two years ago

This is a must win game!

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J  
Two years ago

Do you have nothing better to do than have a go at dazz? If they lose this one they are back in the pack and their goal is top 2 so it is a "must win game" frankly every game is for every team, including adelaide from here on out.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Nothing better to do of a Saturday night than have a go at someone for his word choice on a completely trivial matter.

Anonymously, no less.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Agree with J, it's pretty much a must win if they want to secure a spot. If they lose yes its not the end of the world...yet, but it makes things a lot harder. You'd want to 'cruise' in as much as you can and not have every game a "must win" from here.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

And yes I mean trivial because f*** Perth and their playoff ambitions. Hate em. Hate? Nah I guess not. But the 'Cats... grrr the bloody 'Cats. Yeah I don't like em.

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Bill on the ball  
Two years ago

Hire needs to step up if Matty is not playing.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Bill, yeah, I wouldn't even mind seeing Hire start. He's a defensive beast, and a very strong young lad. Either way, he'll have to be playing his part to contain the Cairns frontcourt.

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Johnson  
Two years ago

Cairns at home are very tough to beat so it's Cairns to get the money and i hope Trigger is sick and not commentating.I'm so happy Trigger and Robbins won't be doing this game together as they are the two worst commentators this season

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Em  
Two years ago

C'mon Cairns!!

Looking forward to the final battle between wortho and floppage

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

I think it's fair to say everyone on the east coast will cheering for cairns.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

So no different then

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Is this at 11am or 12pm WST?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

12:00 in WA

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Reminder that this one is also on SBS

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

This is massive. C'mon Cats, let's clinch that play-off spot

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

been waiting ages for a Wildcats game to be on SBS. From memory they had one very early in the season, but its been ages since then. Won't need to worry about some dodgy streaming now.

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SteveK2  
Two years ago

Trice, Mitchell & Jawai vs. Cotton, Prather & McKay. Whichever trio fires going to win this game. Lets hope all fire for a cracker of a game. Fingers crossed.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

No, the key to this game is clearly the Mayor of Wanneroo.
Wildcats are undefeated when Greg Hire scores > 17 points!

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Hire won't fire!

Go snakes!

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paul  
Two years ago

Hire's shooting 42% from deep, Snakes will have someone nailed to him the whole time!

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

6 teams remain? I was under the impression only Brisbane were officially eliminated so far?

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Btown  
Two years ago

Wagstaff starting over Brandt, is this legit

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Floppington vs Redhage

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

McKay WTF??!!? Idiotic foul

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

McKay is crap, I think Prather is just about out of gas

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J  
Two years ago

What happened to Prather? Was that from the worth shot?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Na Wortho doesn't cheap shot guys that are bigger than him.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Biggest illegal screen this year on the weeks 3.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cotton is an nba talent

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J  
Two years ago

Is this court always that slippery?

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J  
Two years ago

Should you be allowed to take a charge on a player without the ball? I have never liked it

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I never believed the Prather injured theory but he cant even get up anymore. He is certainly playing through an injury or two.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Well thanks for finally acknowledging his injury. It really means a lot to everyone.

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Btown  
Two years ago

^^ yup he would have dunked that to ensure the 2 points and foul if he was healthy

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah Prather just hasn't looked himself the last month or so. It can't be anything too bad or he'd be sidelined, but he definitely has a little niggle or two hampering him. Still playing pretty good and an important part of the team, but he just doesn't look himself.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

"Should you be allowed to take a charge on a player without the ball? I have never liked it"

I hear what you're saying, but the alternative is players being allowed to run through defenders with no repercussions.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why did prather get 3 FTs?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth's defence looks sharp.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns go on a four point run, Loughton screams and pumps his fists....

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Refs letting it go. good job

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Hey I forget... have I said Trice is a punk b****?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cotton is something else

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Nice of Fox to pair up the slow boring offence of these two teams with the sleep inducing monotone commentary of Cam Tragargh

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J  
Two years ago

Luuuc I disagree. If you run through someone it should always be a foul, eg if you run through another player while defending another of course, but actually stepping infront of someone running the floor without the ball they shouldn't expect that. As the offensive player how do you keep your eyes on the ball and look for the player trying to take a charge

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Mike  
Two years ago

USF?

What the actual fuck. Nothing about that foul was excessive

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J  
Two years ago

Can they get an out of bounds call correct in Cairns?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I think Perth have looked better, but Cairns keep finding a way to stick around. Setting up for a ripper 2nd half.

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

That USF seemed really, really soft. Same ref that anticipated McCarron fouling McKay earlier on the play where he got the ball instead.
Same ref that called Loughton for a foul on very similar contact that Perth got away with.

What is going on with Perths FT shooting? Extremely poor for a pro team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cotton looks very classy out there. Hate to be sexist but that female ref doesn't look that good. Just guessed on that out of bounds call on Damo

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Btown  
Two years ago

Cairns done well with mini runs of very quick baskets to stay within touch.

Wildcats shooting themselves in the foot at the foul line.should be further ahead

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

"Luuuc I disagree. If you run through someone it should always be a foul, eg if you run through another player while defending another of course, but actually stepping infront of someone running the floor without the ball they shouldn't expect that. As the offensive player how do you keep your eyes on the ball and look for the player trying to take a charge"

The onus for any player - with or without the ball - is to know where they are going.
Again, I get what you are saying, but the only distinction a ref can really make between colliding with a guy illegally, and colliding with a guy legally, is whether that guy is in a legal guarding position. To introduce some extra criteria just for off-the-ball incidents is too much. It's impractical, and more to the point it would have to be based on some kind of judgement call by the refs, which is the last thing we need to burden these chumps with IMO.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

#628 that isn't sexist.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

It's funny, because Cairns are shooting 5/10 from the line, which is even worse than Perth's 10/18.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cotton's definitely on Randles level imo. Even though I doubt he will, would love him to stay another year. Would be great to see what he can do in a full season.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What you are seeing is a physical ball which is playoffs ball. Perth thrives in this type of game hence the reason why I think they can win it if they finish second

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I think that call on Egwu against Prather was pretty on the money to be classed as a 'smart' play by Prather. If Egwu was a step or so closer I'd say probably shouldn't be a foul jumping in at that very last second to draw a foul. In the situation I think it's pretty on the money

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J  
Two years ago

That USF seemed really, really soft. Same ref that anticipated McCarron fouling McKay earlier on the play where he got the ball instead.

USF is what it is now, soft. Agree the call on McCarron was wrong when he blocked Mckay, but he got all of DKD's arm so i guess it balances out, except for the fact DKD likely goes 2/2 at the line...

Luuuc I realise it requires compotent refs, practicalities aside I just dont see it as a "basketball" play

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cats 4 life  
Two years ago

Perth all season have had big leads at some stage, 3rd will determine where we finish. Cotton is a Randle, take one of them off the team then you're up shit creek.

Gf, randle v cotton! 5 rounds?

But premature, need someone to go against Randle! Ware cotton and Randle are the one's that can take there team to the championship

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Btown  
Two years ago

Worthos 2nd flop

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Refs doing a shit job...as per usual.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Do we start questioning how little Cotton can knock over Worthington so easily?

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Mitchell is not a good shooter.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wortho putting on a flopping master piece

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Btown  
Two years ago

Worthos 3rd flop

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Mike  
Two years ago

Cotton got dat talent

Adelaide v Perth GF series should be good

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Worthington putting on a flopping masterclass

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Surprised Wortho didn't flop then on that fast break by Prather lol

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Btown  
Two years ago

Gee Prather really can't finish like he did earlier in the season

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Physical game is Perth's bread and butter

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No Trigger, that is not the same call. McKay was shifting to the post. Egwu was just charging down the court.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Mitchell shooting on sight

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

0/6 3pt, 3/3 2pt. Maybe not settle for the 3 every time?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The difference between Wagstaff when he has his feet set compared to not is massive. Basically never makes one when his feet aren't set. Yet he keeps chucking them up

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Btown  
Two years ago

What is wortho complaining about?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Now Worthington with the shirtfront

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Dirty fuk wortho shirt fronts prather and says I was going for the ball.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wortho is a fucking grub.

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Another iffy USF, same ref? I couldn't tell as Toni was calling a regular foul. She must've been overruled.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Love how Wortho flops around on the softest plays, then pulls out a play like that lol

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Was he arguing that he didn't foul him? Or arguing that it was a kicked ball?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Iffy? He made no play at the ball and dropped his shoulder head high at Prather. He is lucky he he is still on the court.

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Btown  
Two years ago

So many soft fouls

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J  
Two years ago

Refs here we come! Two disgraceful fouls on hire..

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

I thought he was just arguing that it wasn't an USF. If he thought it wasn't a foul at all then that's just plain silly, definitely a foul. He was a fraction late.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

First half reffing had some iffy calls but overall thought it was ok, starting to go down hill a bit this half

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Btown  
Two years ago

"as he arguing that he didn't foul him? Or arguing that it was a kicked ball?"
That is wasn't a foul, could see him screaming 'but I got the ball' or something like that

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Jawai has taken over.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Wayyyy too many fouls called.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Damn Prather is a shadow of the player he was in the first half of the season. Can't even hit free throws

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Any comments on the last few fouls, Roy? Jawai was just gifted some freebies.

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J  
Two years ago

No foul on nate when prather drives, theno other end two players arms up straight nate gets the call. This is abysmal, the refs are purely brining cairns back into the game. Nbl has a serious problem!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The Refs have taken of this game. Piss off

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Sure, I am happy to comment on all "fouls"

Big Nate just got a birthday present on that And 1, bugger all worth calling there.

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PFS  
Two years ago

Like anon above, I'd like to know why Prather got 3 FTs earlier. It was on a drive, not a 3, and no Tech or USF was called. Did they wave away the first FT attempt for some reason?

And that USF on Wortho was crap.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Seems the Cairns faithful go quiet on the refereeing when it goes their way

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns cheapshots. Weeks elbowing cotton

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Mike  
Two years ago

Refs you suck

Refs you suck

Refs you suck

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J  
Two years ago

There it is the fix is in! Foul on Cotton after he is man handled. This is a disgrace. Hate the cats or not this is just disgusting

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Decent game has just been shit on by these refs

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Noticed a few times that Cotton gets hammered every time he tries to get free, never gets a call

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Btown  
Two years ago

refs swinging the game, absolutely ridiculous calls

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

PFS, zip it idiot

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The female ref mugging things up again. Is she a Cairns specialist? No wonder their games are always ugly

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Cotton with a foul after Weeks gets away with more contact 2 seconds earlier.

basically these refs are crap and the way Perth and Cairns play really highlights it. They are too physical for sub-standard refs to handle.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Jawai is too big

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Jawai's keeping Cairns' season alive.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Cotton is on 4 fouls, while his defenders man handle him and never get called. I don't know how inept you can be at a job you are paid to do.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Female ref stuffing up again

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J  
Two years ago

What is going on? What was that on prather?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Ref's keeping Cairns' season alive.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Even someone like me who hates everything about the Cats can see the refs are just terrible right now.

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

She's a QLD local from memory and sure seems to have favourites and targets.

Prather seemed to have a legit complaint there.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

She is the worst ref I have seen at any level. Pretty obvious the refs are helping Cairns to make the playoff race interesting. Anything to get this shitty league in the news

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Mike  
Two years ago

Damo that was straight cold

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J  
Two years ago

Nats shoves wagstaff out of bounds for the offensive rebound... joke

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Btown  
Two years ago

ref misses jawai pushing out on the rebound right in front of her.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

These Refs are taking the piss

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Nate is pushing everyone. I think Toni is scared he Willetton at her tbh. Those fouls on Brandt earlier then the one on Hire, and all the pushes he gets away with

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DaHuzyBru  
Two years ago

and people wonder why Trev doesn't play DKD... he's a waste of space

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth need to make jawai run around more on D and hope he's tired by the fourth

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Shit decisions both ways. I don't think it's favoured any team.......yet.
No where near the level of home cooking we see every week at Perth Arena.

LOL

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It does seem suss to me how many bad calls every game seems to have, especially the second half of the season. The NBL's big selling point and social media focus has been 'how close the league and ladder is', sometimes it feels almost like they want a certain team to win to maintain that.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Nbl also doing the dodge, didn't show replays of both questionable out of bounds calls. Even the one Prather got a tech for complaining about.

Why no replay nbl?

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Early on Perth were allowed to be aggressive with their trapping.

Now they are not letting Perth do that but are letting Cairns be more physical.

Surely it cannot be that difficult to stay consistent throughout an entire Game.

The youngest looking ref has seemed to be pretty consistent with what he calls or lets go, it's the other 2 "more experienced" refs that are all over the place.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Oh and how shit is Kenny.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hasn't favoured either team? Cairns just clawed the lead back thanks entirely to a series of bad calls. That is favouritism.

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J  
Two years ago

You know the calls are bad when people here are saying the cats and cotton are getting hard done by! This is not entertaining at all, it is confusing and disgraceful. Taking a player like Cotton out of the game doesn't do the nbl any favours

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Stop. Shooting. 3. Pointers. Tony. Mitchell.

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Vic Wildcat  
Two years ago

Yep refs are crap as usual, and as usual both teams are getting crap calls.

But 58% from the free throw line is killing us, can only blame ourselves for it being close as it is, farking disgusting from a so called profesional sports team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

McKay is just terrible around the rim.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Nbl also doing the dodge, didn't show replays of both questionable out of bounds calls. Even the one Prather got a tech for complaining about.

Why no replay nbl?"

I was thinking the same thing, few dodgy calls haven't had a replay. Seems to happen a fair bit in games I've noticed.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

This season has just about made me give up on this league. Disgusting

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What's Jawai's beef with Hire?

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Train  
Two years ago

Perth look cooked :/

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

As a Wildcat Jawai would have been fouled out if he played like that.

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Wildcats80  
Two years ago

Does Jawai ever not shut up

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Mike  
Two years ago

Yeah this woman ref is biased as fuck

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The female call gives jawai every call

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J  
Two years ago

Agree with anon above, when you see a game like this completely turned on its head due to some historically bad calls you have to question the validity of the league. Would Cotton say come here to any other players of his calibre? Doubtful

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Jawai almost killed Hire lol

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Lol... And he hits that.

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J  
Two years ago

Even damo in the refs face complaining... must be bad

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Mitchell!!!!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

You know it's bad when Damo isn't happy

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Mike  
Two years ago

Why are Cotton and Prather both sitting?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns are all about luck. Hope we don't see them in the playoffs

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Both on 4 fouls Mike

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Why are Cotton and Prather both sitting?"

4 fouls each, and the way the games being reffed they'd probably last about another 20sec on the court before being fouled out.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Refs seem to be targeting Perth and cairns players who were hot last game absolutely disgusting

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

They both have four fouls.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Hire with the dog act!!!

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J  
Two years ago

Do we get a replay of the alleged usf? It really looks like a fix when you don't show the replay of a usf!

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K  
Two years ago

Cotton and Prather are both sitting because they are both on 4 fouls and I think we all know that if they come back on they'll be off the court within 20 seconds given the way things are going.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Damo the scoring machine

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Was it an elbow or inadvertent shoulder? Hard to tell live and with the zero replays shown, who knows.

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PFS  
Two years ago

And whilke Mitchell's shooting thr FTs after Hire's USF, the whole Perth bench are up on their feet flapping their arms about - is that allowed?

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Btown  
Two years ago

Ok I'm done with this. What a horrid shit show. This league is going to lose a lot of imports when they decide the league and reffimg is not worth it.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Thanks K didn't know they were both on 4

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Damo is on fire!

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Damo's scored 10 points in a row for Perth. Doubt that's ever happened before.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cats are fighting

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Btown  
Two years ago

No replay of the Incidents leading to a cats USF and no replay to the tech foul.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cotton will go to another level in these next 5min

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

How is jawai playing so many minutes?

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Mike  
Two years ago

Cotton is destroying from three this weekend

What a game

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Jawai is da real MVP!!!!!

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Jawai talking a heap for a dude that apparently doesn't like to talk haha

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J  
Two years ago

Cotton gets nailed no foul?

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Jawai didn't move tbh. Cotton just landed on him.

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Sure looked like Cotton got smashed.

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Btown  
Two years ago

This is as bad as that historic match between LA Lakers and the Sacremento kings back in the 2000s

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Cairns playing attractive basketball this 1/2

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Brandt is better then McKay. He is much better option yet Gleeson is sleep at the wheel

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Mitchell is an impressive dunker

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hahahaha good call Btown

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Prediction: Dazz will lose his shit if Cairns salute

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BOL  
Two years ago

Cats have blown this with their poor free throw shooting

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Mike  
Two years ago

I've never seen DKD drive before

That was nie

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Btown  
Two years ago

And this is what happens when refs don't call the contact on a targeted player, you get injuries


which will lead to players leaving the league

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Mike  
Two years ago

Wow the refs really fucked this game

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Another fake out of bounds call on Perth

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Why aren't Cairns just running the clock out?

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Btown  
Two years ago

didn't see Prather step out, wouldn't be able to check because no replays

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Mike  
Two years ago

Nate Jamwai

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Bring back JJ and deactivate Prather

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

this second half reffing has just been ridiculous

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

Jawai would be so annoying to defend. He always looks like he's just stepped out of a swimming pool.

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Wildcats80  
Two years ago

Just rewound with fox, Prather was not out

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hawks pretty much now got second place wrapped up now.

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J  
Two years ago

Cotton flattened nothing and another magical moving line! No way prather was out.

This is by far the most blatant display of one sided refereeing. If the nbl want it to be tight then they need to let them play not decide games. Anyone that appreciates basketball can see this for want it was, keeping the playoff hunt close by ensuring cairns win the game, there is no other answer for the one sided nature of the calls in the second half. I don't think even perth haters want to see a player of cottons calibre get man handled like that then sent to the bench with 4 fouls himself. That is a sure fire way to kill the quality of import in this league

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Haha, suck shit wildcats.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Well done NBL you got what you wanted.

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

Cairns still alive, Perth with a much harder job to do.

The refs from today should be told to take an extended break, maybe 4-5 months.

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Hendo8888  
Two years ago

2 games against Cairns next week. Let's see how much the refs want them to make it.

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Mike  
Two years ago

I told y'all

Cotton is Prather's kryptonite

Been horrible ever since Cotton arrived

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Just rewound with fox, Prather was not out"

Not even close. Refs seem to make up 2 or 3 of these per game.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"I think Perth have looked better, but Cairns keep finding a way to stick around. Setting up for a ripper 2nd half."

This was my comment at half time, we were set up for a cracking half of basketball. Second half was pure shit to watch. So many bad calls. NBL is honestly turning into a joke this year. Feels almost rigged at times like they want to keep the "league is so close" tag line going. Some blatantly wrong calls, also love how none of the bad calls were replayed on TV.

3 certainties in life are death taxes and shit NBL reffing.

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Camel 31  
Two years ago

Jawai so big , so strong , too good..

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Btown  
Two years ago

Now we wait for all those who didn't watch the game to check the score and come post in the thread about how fair the reffimg was lol

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns played so shit for a good part of the game and ended up winning. NBL has the potential to be a great product but the refs know how to ruin it.

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K  
Two years ago

That was a disappointing finish to what was initially an entertaining game to watch.

The Wildcats' capitulation can't be entirely attributed to the umpiring. The FT shooting is a real cause for concern. Unfortunately, in what was a good opportunity for Brandt to shine (with Knight back in Perth) he had a pretty ordinary match.

But seriously, the quality of (or lack thereof) of refereeing has been the leading point of discussion for many games this season. The impact of repeated poor decisions, or single crucial decisions in the dying seconds of matches, has been significant. Until this gets sorted out I don't see how the league can progress.

I'm sick of jumping out of my seat like Gleeson on meth because of ridiculous calls!

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Well the only good news is Perth won the split.
Perth now need to win both games next week.

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Btown  
Two years ago

3 out of bounds calls that were complained about by the player who "was out", one was a techfoul for complaining. Name me another league that wouldn't provide a replay.

Nbl refuse to show how bad their refs are after admitting the incorrect call last time Perth was in cairns wi the off the foot no call.

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Baller  
Two years ago

I love Perth fans complaining about the refereeing. It's always 5 v 8 when you play in the jungle. Now you know how it feels so stop whinging!

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J  
Two years ago

Agree cats free throws were horrible, they can control that. You can't control the foul trouble they were in, the lack of calls when they were physically neat down and the collection of comically bad all in Cairns favour out of bounds calls. Games don't naturally swing like that, to that extent. All that game achieved was make Cotton think he missed an opportunity to be yogi Farrel, not a great thought for our league

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Roy Hobbs  
Two years ago

If Perth had've hit 4-5 more FT's in the first half then they'd be up 9-10 and able to put on scoreboard pressure. That was a missed opportunity for them.

It also didn't help that Jaw was allowed to be very liberal with the rules, he got away with a bunch.

Cotton and Prather did seem to be targeted for bumps, hold and pushes. They got zero protection from the refs. Without derailing things, that's usually what Perth do to the other Team.

I'm far from a Perth fan but they did get the raw end of it today.

As many have said already, it's a Season long thing, the standard of reffing is woefully below the standard of players. This needs to be addressed and fast.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"I love Perth fans complaining about the refereeing. It's always 5 v 8 when you play in the jungle. Now you know how it feels so stop whinging!"

The Perth 'home cooking' is honestly so overrated imo. They are on the end of way too many bad calls at home to be classified as having the great home cooking people think they get.

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Brunson  
Two years ago

PFS "Like anon above, I'd like to know why Prather got 3 FTs earlier. It was on a drive, not a 3, and no Tech or USF was called. Did they wave away the first FT attempt for some reason?"

I believe it was a violation by one of the Cairns player.

Btown "Ok I'm done with this. What a horrid shit show. This league is going to lose a lot of imports when they decide the league and reffimg is not worth it."

No it's not. Reffing has been shit for many years and will continue to be shit. Quality imports will still come here.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Good luck keeping or enticing decent imports in this shit storm of a league.

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J  
Two years ago

Baller so you're saying it's ok for refs to completely change a game incorrectly as long as it is against perth? This league was rated as top 10 in the world by espn, on the cusp of big things, but games and decisions like this will see that plummet and high calibre players avoid the league like the plague.

You can't say don't be upset at home cooking because I get upset at home cookimg when it happens for you. Home cooking is bad period on any court, that's the thing, even as a perth fan I hate seeing crap calls made on either team, it ruins the game

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No doubt the reffing was not good but anyone who thinks it is a league directive is delusional

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Btown  
Two years ago

"I love Perth fans complaining about the refereeing. It's always 5 v 8 when you play in the jungle. Now you know how it feels so stop whinging!"

I love non Perth fans who complain about refereeing thaen all of a sudden think it's the best thing since sliced bread when it's against the cats. Bad reffimg in general is bad for the league.

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K  
Two years ago

"The Perth 'home cooking' is honestly so overrated imo. They are on the end of way too many bad calls at home to be classified as having the great home cooking people think they get."

I agree with this. Do we get the rub of the green with the genuinely 50:50 situations at home? Probably. I don't think we get a bunch of blatant, baffling miscalls such as those seen today (or that other non-Perth teams have copped at various stadiums around the league). If there's a howler at Perth it's typically followed by a sheepish howler of a makeup call going the other way within the next minute or two.

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Baller  
Two years ago

Like when Cairns lost to a clear no foul on Cotton. Take your ball and go home. You lost! hopefully you don't get home court advantage in the finals and the referees can't throw their whistles into the crowd like they always do!

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CT  
Two years ago

Alright everyone? Ready? 1.. 2... 3...

SO... MUCH... SALT!

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Wildcats80  
Two years ago

Baller you sound like a bitter and jealous opposition fan, must of been tough seeing the wildcats playing in all those finals series and winning 7 championships, making 12 grand final series on the way too.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Back to the Perth home game with the hip check ? Not quite the same as calls that weren't even close to existing.

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BOL  
Two years ago

The cats were up by 10 in the third quarter and have no one but themselves to blame for losing. Yes the reffing was utter shite but they could have still won it from the line with a better than 70% . Sloppy turnovers in the second half and gleesons questionable rotations are the reasons for the lose

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J  
Two years ago

Prathers T vs this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8qHJAeMrM

comical NBL, when you suck you should be questioned.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"The cats were up by 10 in the third quarter and have no one but themselves to blame for losing. Yes the reffing was utter shite but they could have still won it from the line with a better than 70% . Sloppy turnovers in the second half and gleesons questionable rotations are the reasons for the lose"

I do partly agree. Cats could have done better from the line, and Cairns did play very well in the second half. But they had an alright lead in the first half even with the bad free throw shooting. It wasn't until the terrible reffing came into play that things went down hill for them. When calls like that go against you though you lose momentum while the other team gains it, get frustrated, lose confidence in what you're doing, play less aggressive, etc.

Perth definitely could have done more to increase their chances of a win, but it is bloody hard to win when the reffing is like it was.

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Btown  
Two years ago

BOL, when the guy who got you 10 points up to begin with is reffed out of the game with 4 fouls then losing the lead wasnt that surprising,

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Cairns got robbed last time we played, maybe that made the refs a little hard on the Cats.
But at the end of the day, the Cats didn't play well, and were poorly coached. We started McKay and Wagstaff against Jawai and WOrthington, and it went downhill from there. Guys who are stone cold just keep bricking up the 3's. Wagstaff hit 1 from 5.

And free-throws, FMD. No point worrying about the foul count when our guys can't hit the side of a barn. There's no excuse for that. Do these guys think they are "too good" to practice?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

some guys commented on the NBL facebook page:

"Great win Taipans! Good to see that you can fight through all those bad ref calls"

Was he watching the same game we all were...? lol

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J  
Two years ago

How do you control made up out of bounds calls? Sloppy turnover that were actually of Cairns or maybe just maybe a foul?

Yes the free throws were bad, but are we suggesting Cairns was flawless and played better?

Also no complaints about Trigger and his bias commentary? We always love a bitch about Robbins. His of it was inadvertent or unintentional doesn't change the fact he was second to the ball and crushed Prather. The commentators complete lack of description of what was actually being called and the lack of replays is not a good look. An USF and a T on Perth with no replay.

Sorry but whomever the refs decide will win will win the comp this year. I suspect it will not be NZ or Perth, it is clear the league wants to snap that streak. I think Hawks Taipans make the Final and one of them wins, the league wants to show the great parity, nothing says parity like a small market team taking it out.

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Mike  
Two years ago

Yeah I couldn't understand that Prather out of bounds watching it live

Was like 15 metres inside the court

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Shano76  
Two years ago

Love the cats fans bagging Wortho. I'm not a Wortho fan but bagging him for being dirty is rich. Names such as Robbins, Hire, Redhage and even Vlahov going back further. Cry me a river.

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Vic Wildcat  
Two years ago

once again home town reffing is ok as long as it is not in Perth, i'm i doing it right.

As i've said numerous times the refs are terrible and don't favour anyone, sometimes i wonder what they are actually seeing out there, i've done a lot of reffing and know it is difficult job, but it is staggering some of the calls they make.

Bad reffing is only one part of the game, make your shots and free throws and bad calls won't make a difference.

In all honesty if any Wildcatfan thinks we are a chance this year, they are living in a fantasy, all year long our shooting has been atrocious, and either Prather is injured or sulking, because his intensity is not there. I'll give him t,he benefit of the doubt and say his carrying something given his form last year and parts of this year. Outside of Cotton we really have no offensive force now, and teams are starting to work that out. Would be nice to keep the streak going, but we are not a challenger this year unless something really changes.

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J  
Two years ago

Dazz stop trying to sit on the fence, the cats didn't play well, newsflash neither did Cairns, they were lucky only to be 10pts down due to our free throws.

The cats were playing great (Ft aside) until Cotton and prather got reffed out of the game. Then in the fourth Cotton got crunched multiple times no call, Prather got another comical out of bounds call then a T to boot for who knows what, then Wortho tried to end Cotton for good agin with no foul.

And then my favourite, Prather out of bounds!!! OMG he was in by a mile, how can you possible mess that up?

So when you say played bad are you counting Cotton getting dropped and Prather's moving sideline as turnovers? They weren't you can't control that.

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

Watched the whole game. Reffs were poor but nothing really effected either side as they both play ugly at best of times.

Perth lost because

a) They missed a bunch of FT's and layups/chippys around the hoop, many that would have led to and ones. McKay and Prather were both guilty of multiple offences there.

b) Prather of late (maybe since Cotton arrived)has gone from a genuine MVP candidate to a bottom tier import. Whether that is due to injury or form or just pouting because Cotton is now the man I do not know.

c)Perth have no one bar Cotton who can create anything and lack (as they have for a while) perimeter shooters. Their best shot at a win is with effort in a wrestle match and Cairns are in that vein as well hence the closeness of games between the two teams. Cairns maybe got more of the luck this game but were surely had some bad luck in the previous games.

This thread appears to have been invaded by a couple of Perth fans with only one eye open. Cats played and Gleeson coached at a level that didn't deserve the win.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Yes, Cairns played better, and played to their strengths.

I'll be honest, I don't really understand what it is that Prather does to give up so many soft fouls. It might be that he's sticking his hands out when he should be keeping them vertical. But its a consistent problem. After two years in the league, you'd think the Cats would have sussed it out and done some work on it.
And why does his shooting go to shit on the road? Does he not like flying?

Blame the refs all you want, but Perth could have won that. Guys that excelled when there was no pressure against Brissy, too often choke in close games.

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Train  
Two years ago

Perth 16/27 FTs' 59% - Thats where Perth lost the game right there.

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J  
Two years ago

Yep Perth were completely out payed, thats why they were up double digits. Then Cotton and prather got cheap fouls and were allowed to be man handled.

sprinkle in with the salt some impossibly bad out of bounds calls that all went Cairns way and yeah sure, Perth played horrible.

We all have our bias, however anyone that understands basketball will see that 3rd quarter and parts of the fourth as changing the momentum of the game.

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J  
Two years ago

anyone have a video or screenshot of the prather out of bounds, i'd like to see it again, because there was of course no replay.

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Btown  
Two years ago

Funny one was cotton pushed and elbowed, then tries to be equally physical to even up the matchup seeing as there was no call and picks up a foul in 2 seconds.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

J, it was a tough call. Looks like he had his left foot in and had raised his right foot(which was out of bounds) just before he caught the ball).

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Funny one was cotton pushed and elbowed, then tries to be equally physical to even up the matchup seeing as there was no call and picks up a foul in 2 seconds."

He was getting hammered all day when he'd try to get open, players bumping and grabbing him. Happened in the first half too. He doesn't seem to be an overly physical player so he just kept riding the bumps and going on with it, annoying how the one time he tried to get physical he got pinged for a foul.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

J,
I'll let you in on a little secret: Shit Happens.

I am extremely worried that Perth can't make it from here, and I for one will be gutted if the streak ends.
But if it does, I won't be blaming the refs.

I blame whomever is responsible for assembling this squad. Keeping an ageing core of Veterans, letting Jawai and Jervis leave, and sourcing a couple of bargain basement imports.
And I blame Gleeson for not using what he had correctly.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Re: Cotton 'not getting the rub of the green on foul calls': ever thought that he exhausted his ref goodwill on that crap which forced OT in the home game against Cairns?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Letting Jervis leave turned out to be a good move Dazz. Brandt is younger and will be the better player

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

I'll add an example of one of the dumber coaching moments I have seen.

Perth are down one big with Knight out. McKay picks up an early foul. Gleeson continues with the full court pressure with McKay expected to help trap on the Cairns ball handlers full court.

He picks up his second foul straight away. No shit Sherlock. I think most junior rep coaches would have reassessed that situation after his first foul.

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Btown  
Two years ago

": Cotton 'not getting the rub of the green on foul calls': ever thought that he exhausted his ref goodwill on that crap which forced OT in the home game against Cairns?"

He shot the ball when he was hip checked, the nerve. Yup that's enough of an excuse to have him physically handled and bumped for no calls...are you for real?

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Kingpodge  
Two years ago

Way to much seasoning in this thread.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

An official takes into account a player's reputation when making calls.

Cotton has a bad reputation.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"An official takes into account a player's reputation when making calls.

Cotton has a bad reputation."

So how do you explain all those charges called on Wortho? lol

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Hey Podge, I got a bite ^

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Great result!! Had cairns and had one legged Casey to go under 18.5. Pefect day all around wouldn't everyone here not seasoning with salt agree?

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Cats Streak in Trouble  
Two years ago

Jawai destroyed the Cats and Cairns deserved the win. I still question the scheduling. How do you expect Perth to play on Friday night, then fly to Cairns and be anywhere near 100%? The Cats were always going to tire in the fourth quarter.

The reffing has been shithouse all season, in all venues. It's embarrassing yet I have seen no signs of the league trying to rectify it.

At least in the AFL they view tapes of the games and talk to the umpires if they have made a series of incorrect calls. These refs can make them all year and just keep getting games and collecting their pay cheques. No accountability!

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paul  
Two years ago

Fair point Manu, Cotton must have used up lots of reffing karma when he got bailed out by Mills in Perth!

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paul  
Two years ago

"At least in the AFL they view tapes of the games and talk to the umpires if they have made a series of incorrect calls."

They do that for every game for every ref in the NBL.

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Ras Posse  
Two years ago

On Prather shooting 3 free throws they called a line violation on wortho for the first one ...

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koberulz  
Two years ago

6 teams remain? I was under the impression only Brisbane were officially eliminated so far?
It says six teams, three spots. It's about the fight for the remaining openings, and therefore excludes Adelaide, Brisbane, and top spot on the ladder which Adelaide already has locked up.



Should you be allowed to take a charge on a player without the ball? I have never liked it
I don't understand people who dislike those calls. Why does not having the ball suddenly give you the right to run through people, taking them out of the play?


Was he arguing that he didn't foul him? Or arguing that it was a kicked ball?
He was arguing that it shouldn't have been a USF. You could see his immediate reaction was to accept the foul call, then he turned around and saw the USF signal.


He made no play at the ball and dropped his shoulder head high at Prather.
Yes, that is definitely exactly what happened, and not the complete opposite.


That is wasn't a foul, could see him screaming 'but I got the ball' or something like that
He was saying he was going for the ball.


Was it an elbow or inadvertent shoulder?
It was an elbow, tried to swim over to get open and caught him on the chin. Still a bit soft, I thought, but easily closer to USF than either of the two on Cairns.


didn't see Prather step out, wouldn't be able to check because no replays
Cotton flattened nothing and another magical moving line! No way prather was out.
Just rewound with fox, Prather was not out
"Just rewound with fox, Prather was not out"

Not even close.
And then my favourite, Prather out of bounds!!! OMG he was in by a mile, how can you possible mess that up?
Yeah I couldn't understand that Prather out of bounds watching it live
So when you say played bad are you counting Cotton getting dropped and Prather's moving sideline as turnovers?
Are you people serious? Maybe when getting outraged at the refs about making things up, it would be a good idea to not, you know, make things up.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Letting Jervis leave turned out to be a good move Dazz. Brandt is younger and will be the better player.
Jervis got a better offer, water under the bridge now.
But losing Jawai AND Jervis, then going for a smaller more athletic centre was a strange move, especially since Gleeson has failed to use him effectively.
NB: if in the future we go back to a big centre, I think Brandt's versatility will be better for us.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Let's keep it real and not bring the scheduling into this! Surely we are past such lame excuses for a pro team to win/lose. It's goes both ways, it's always been the way. The cats loss has everything to do with them not being THAT good and nothing to do with scheduling. If it was scheduling as true factor the Taipans would've been paying $1.10 for the win. Hate poor excuses that pop up after your team loses.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Dazz taking about himself in the third person is everything.

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Tom  
Two years ago

On the Worthington/MacKay charge it depends very much where the ball is and are they in position to receive. To me the ball was behind MacKay in back court bing advanced towards half, and he was making a cut towards the corner. He was not about to receive a pass. I thought he was blindsided by Worthington and he should have been called for a block.
That game was so ugly. Pleased Cairns got up. I think we are looking at 14-14 for 3rd and 4th involving at least 3 teams. Don't know who yet!

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J  
Two years ago

Koberulz, was Prather in or out?

There was no replay, that is fact! Show us a screen shot if he was out?

Cotton was regularly man handled, when you compare some of the contact he received with he foul called against him on Trice it seems that he may have been a bit stiff.

Maybe instead of accusing people of making things up you should provide evidence to show they are in fact incorrect. I have asked if someone has the Prather out of bounds call on video. If he was out then I will have to swallow my pride and admit I am wrong. Until then I stand by it being a horrible call and your accusation that I am making it up is about equal.

Maybe if there was a replay of a contentious call this would be a moot point.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Why should he have been called for a block? He had legal position, it's not his fault McKay ran over him.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

There was no replay, that is fact! Show us a screen shot if he was out?
Click for full size:

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Non of it really matters though does it? The result is well and truly in. Didn't watch the game but love the result. Where does this leave Perths chances of a playoff appearance?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Haha Kobe you care too much about making a point to someone you will never meet or know on a forum!

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Bill on the ball  
Two years ago

My God, Prather and MacKay are both going backwards as the season goes forward.

What is affecting theirs play? Prather is plagued with fouls and useless jump shots. MacKay can't seem to do a layup without turning it over.

Have they overworked during training and can't bring it on? Seriously the coaches need to speak to them.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

I like to think that referees think of themselves as a team. Like there are three teams playing on any given night. And look, every team wants to win and hog the headlines, right?

The men in grey are by far top of the (real) ladder this year.

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

Kobe's photo destroyed any credibility that the two serial whiners had in this thread. The call might have been incorrect but it was very close. Nice work.

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J  
Two years ago

Ok koberulz, I'm OK with them calling that in real time. I was wrong. I am not wrong that a replay showing all the viewers that would be nice.

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

J Do you think its possible that you may have been wrong in some of the other calls as well then.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Kobe's photo destroyed any credibility that the two serial whiners had in this thread. The call might have been incorrect but it was very close. Nice work.
And not even "I thought it was a bad call", but "I rewound and it wasn't close", "Prather was in by a mile"...no.

This is why the league can't afford to take fan complaints seriously.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Ok koberulz, I'm OK with them calling that in real time. I was wrong. I am not wrong that a replay showing all the viewers that would be nice.
Definitely, there have been a few odd choices along those lines. Whittington had a really good dunk last week that never got replayed either.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Not sure why there is such a furore over that call?

I can't really see whether his heal comes down, but I can't see that a replay would have changed anything. If its not clear on the replay, the original call stands.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I very rarely agree with Kobe but wow a ray of sanity. Well played sir

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J  
Two years ago

Fstos, honestly not really. In real time I stick to my guns, I have called, played and coached enough to be confident in my interpretations. We are all a bit bias, some for some against. If we are all honest there are a lot of inconsistencies in the referees interpretations and it is undoubtedly frustrating for all. I was evidently particularly frustrated today.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"I very rarely agree with Kobe but wow a ray of sanity. Well played sir"

Don't encourage him, even an old calender is right once every 7 years or so.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Hey Kobe, what's your favourite team?

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Every 9.3 years on average, actually. You forgot about leap years.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Foot wasn't on the line heel was raised above the line. Sorry not OOB.

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paul  
Two years ago

"This is why the league can't afford to take fan complaints seriously."

Exactly. The complaining about AFL umps is the same as it is about NBL refs. Boring, predictable and usually biased, detracting from any serious points that should be made.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Of course it was OOB.

This is such a great salty thread.
TBH, I can't Dazz hasn't lost his shit. Maybe tomorrow.

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Dazz  
Two years ago

Refs make mistakes, although on the whole probably less than people blame them for.
Shit happens, get over it.
Cats didn't play well enough.

If you put yourself in the situation of needing perfect refereeing to win a game, well you're going to be out of luck.

I think the refs are under direction to shape the game in a certain way, but that's not biased.

Jawai I still reckon is one of the most hard done by guys. Today, maybe things went a bit his way for once.

Worthington has been a thug for a while. He knows what he can get away with (and he still gets called for a lot of fouls.) Again, there's nothing biased in that, if anything I'd suggest the refs are probably a bit tighter this season.

Perth were undermanned without Knight, and didn't use what we had effectively.

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ROFLcopter  
Two years ago

Hire didn't fire!
Who'd have predicted that?

Knight, Wagstaff, Kenny and Hire need to be cut.

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CT  
Two years ago

Good job Koberulz. Can't believe I just typed that.

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Bill on the ball  
Two years ago

I think if Cats miss finals, the whole team maybe cut.

Consider this: will they see Prather in the same light as before? Jameel is not strong material all the time.

The local boys are getting on. Only Brandt is good enough.

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NBL Comm  
Two years ago

I think Loughton will return home. Stephen Weigh too.

Redhage, Knight, McKay gone.

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Freethrows  
Two years ago

Having watched the game from close quarters, I know the section of the crowd I'm in thought the referees were very biased toward Perth in the first half. I didn't think they swayed the other way in the second. Prather was warned about bitching about calls before he took the tech, and there have been plenty of soft techs called on players and coaches this year.

I don't think any of the USFs called in the game were warranted.

I've walked away from watching (live and streamed) many games this year, upset about the refereeing. There have really only been a small number of games where a poor decision late in the game has, or could have, influenced the result. Poor play from the losing side is usually the culprit.

For as many people as there are suggesting the NBL gets the referees to help small market teams, there are an equal number who think they are paid to ensure the large market teams win. After all, large market teams will make LK more money, right?

Refs rarely win or lose matches. Three people make calls on every play of the game. They sometimes get it wrong. Ten players are involved in every play of the game. At least one of them gets it wrong on every play. The players get to rest. The refs don't.

I think the standard of refereeing in the NBL should be much higher.

So should the playing. I mean, really? How badly should pro ballers be able to shoot free throws (just as an example.) There are some god awful shooting techniques out there, and that's something it's not hard to fix, if you're serious about being a professional basketballer.

Fix your team, and fix your players. I don't think referees are fixing games!

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CT  
Two years ago

Hang on, I've got to check I understand what you've just said there NBLcomm. Are you saying that Loughton and Weigh are going to be playing for the wildcats next year?

Mate that's hilarious, you deserve your own show.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Mate, if we could cut the remaining year from Loughzy's contract and ship him off to the homeland, we'd do it. Lately he's been not-so-Lousy but still, I'd say we're paying overs for what he gives us.

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Freethrows  
Two years ago

Manu, are we actually paying Loughton? I thought he just got food and board. BTW, you could stop being mean to the little children with your cheeky bait lines about Cotton's rep.

CT, Koberulz is right at least as often as not. Credit where it's due!

If Louzy and Weigh both go back to Perth (sorry, I can't help but laugh,) we'd be left with:
Weeks
Gliddon
McCarron
Jawai.

Trice won't be back. I'd like to think we could keep Mitchell (with a few lessons on the charge rule in the NBL, he could be dynamite.) Nnana won't get another go around.

There's a lot of room to manoeuvre. I do think we'll have Louzy for another year, though. Weigh is off contract, isn't he?

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Dazz  
Two years ago

You do realise Weigh is from QUEENSLAND and his family is in Rockhampton

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Haha food and board. Mrs Loughzy would not approve of such a deal.

Absolutely. Kobe's a one-of-a-kind stickler, but you've gotta admire his passion. I like him. (Kobes, I wasn't yanking your chain before... genuinely interested in where your allegiances lie.)

Said it many times, but Trice is a punk. Don't like him whatsoever. He's an enigma, which isn't a great trait for your lead guard. But he's just as likely to go for a 20+ and win us the game on Thursday. Travis Trice? Nup. Wilbekin? Yup.

Oh while I'm having a whinge... Glidzo had his mind elsewhere YET AGAIN this arvy. One bucket. Hell of a time to do it though. But seriously, you don't disappear like that in games. Not captain behaviour.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I didnt like Cottons treatment. The guy has NBA shot when the NBL season is over, and you have thugs throwing elbows at the face or kneeing him. I dont care who it is, you got to protect the small guys from that.

Prather is playing very poorly, shadow of his earlier season. MacKay inconsitent.

I didnt like the reffing, but blame squarely on the wildcats bench. 10 points vs 26 from Cairns. Kenny , Drew, Hire - really hope most of them are gone next season.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth lost. They lost with ease. Screen shot that.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Back page of the Cairns Post pretty much sums up the night -- lots of Perth grabbing and cheap shots. That's what got Nate so fired up. He played angry because he was being manhandled. Funny how it backfired... had Nate not got angry, our season would probably be done.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

You didn't like the cotton treatment... boo hoo. It's pro basketball all this because the cats lost? Just accept and move on it's sports you don't always win the games.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"lots of Perth grabbing and cheap shots."

Um, what?

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Twinkletoes  
Two years ago

@Manu Fieldel said "Back page of the Cairns Post pretty much sums up the night -- lots of Perth grabbing and cheap shots. That's what got Nate so fired up. He played angry because he was being manhandled. Funny how it backfired... had Nate not got angry, our season would probably be done."

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I thought exactly the same thing Manu - the Wildcats manhandling and baiting of Jawai backfired on them. I haven't seen Jawai play with that intensity all season. He was certainly steamed up - even when he injured his shoulder he wanted to get straight back out there and give it to them.

On another note, I think some of you are being a bit harsh on Trice and Loughton. I realise Trice can be a bit suspect under pressure at times but he has also been very good under pressure in quite a few games as well and I thought he played well yesterday. No, he's not a Wilbekin but he's still a very good player (albeit a bit inconsistent).

Although Loughton had a very poor season last season he has been very good this season in my opinion and has more than done his job.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth must have been grabbing and manhandling the refs too because I have never seen them so fired up either! They blew their whistles with such intensity and after a poor first half, they went straight back out there and gave it to them.

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CT  
Two years ago

I've been the first take the pics out of Loughton but I agree, on balance he's probably done more than expected this year. If he can get close to double digits off of very restricted minutes and just keep everyone calm he's doing well. In insight that stint in the qbl probably did him the world of good, or at least helped keep him injury free.

Who knows though, maybe if Perth gave him a monthly drone allowance he could be tempted?

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Kingpodge  
Two years ago

Jawai playing angry instead of frustrated is the key. You don't anger the Behemoth of Bamaga.

For what Al's taking from the salary cap i'd say the Taipans are 100% getting a return for their investment.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

we played against Jawai poorly. Needed to be posting up on him with Brandt to draw the fouls. Didnt see that happen most of the game.

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Kingpodge  
Two years ago

except Brandt was posting up on him constantly.....

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Freethrows  
Two years ago

Oh, you Perth fans getting salty over the "treatment" you think Cotton got. If he got as much physical stuff as Nate gets, without getting calls, you'd see it much more clearly, because he's relatively little. Nate had Perth forwards hanging off him through most of the game, without getting calls, and without crying his eyes out. Yes, he lets the refs know about it, but then he gets on and plays.

As far as protecting the little guys, why do they need more protection than the bigs? It's not just Nate; there are plenty of big guys in leagues around the world who will cop a charge from an opponent, without hitting the deck, and not receiving a call. If Cotton got hit with as much force as a lot of those guys, he'd fly across the court. Not because he's a flopper (that's Redhage, Wagstaff and Hire territory), but because that's how the physics of the situation works.

Son't get salty about "little" guys copping nudges from elbows or knees. It happens to everyone, it's just more obvious on smaller guys.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Nate had Perth forwards hanging off him through most of the game, without getting calls, and without crying his eyes out."

Without getting calls and without crying? Not sure which game you were watching but Nate got gifted some freebies, and spent the entire game sooking.

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Freethrows  
Two years ago

On a separate note, I don't wish to be seen as someone who is disrespectful of Loughton's contribution to the Taipans this (or any other) season. Compare him and Redhage, this season, for example. I would bet they're on similar money, and there's no doubt who I'd rather have on my team.

Can he produce another season as good as this one next year? Who knows. I wouldn't get rid of him, at this stage. I do hope the Taipans keep Heuir and Dvin Jackson next year. Those guys both have the potential to be stars.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Something that sums up exactly how the refs were treating Jawai...he got a tech warning for his constant whinging to the ref (by the female ref) and it was the politest warning I've ever seen. There was no blowing the whistle and telling him to shut his mouth, just a quiet chat to him and the other refs.

A minute or so later, Jawai obviously felt he was fouled again and he screamed right at the same ref and nothing was done.

The refs were intimidated by Jawai's audible crying all game and it worked in his favour.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

I love how high-pitched his voice is, especially considering how big the man is.

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Kingpodge  
Two years ago

"...but Nate got gifted some freebies, and spent the entire game sooking."

Yes, he sooked his way to 20 points and 9 rebounds with only 5 FT's.........

But, facts.

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Danger D  
Two years ago

So Perf play their same physical style that they like and get away with it in the first half mostly and when they get pinged a bit for it in the second half they lose their bundle. I notice there has been much less bleating about the Prather Out of Bounds since Kobe put the screenshot up. Maybe you guys should be directing your whinging in the general direction of the Fat Head that coaches your team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"with only 5 FT's......... "

Not everything Nate was gifted resulted in him shooting FT's. His push offs and over the backs which weren't called, stepping in to an airborne player, his scream at the ref after getting a tech warning, and the Hire fresh air reach-in (actually that one may have been FT's for him). He got the and 1 when Brandt went straight up, which was not a foul if your name is Cotton or Prather.

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Kingpodge  
Two years ago

except.... for a start... he didn't get a tech warning.

I'm not convinced you watch the game Anon, in fact i'm not convinced you actually know what a basketball looks like..

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

How do you know he didn't? Because you didn't see it?

He yelled at the ref, started and complained about it for a bit longer, then the ref signalled to him (seemed like it was to him) that he had a warning and told the other refs that someone had a warning. What actually happened in that play then?

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Wilson Sting  
Two years ago

"So Perf play their same physical style that they like and get away with it in the first half mostly and when they get pinged a bit for it in the second half they lose their bundle."

This was pretty much my observation. Yes, CNS got the calls in the second half but it only made up for the fact they weren't getting the calls in the first half.

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Twinkletoes  
Two years ago

Cairns had 4 fouls called against them in the first 75 seconds of the 2nd quarter. Now there's some home cooking!

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Camel 31  
Two years ago

As I read hoops , this season , Perth appear to have lost 13 games due to refs....

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

bit off topic but not worthy of a new thread...

Wildcats have 35% off everything store wide for the next 3 hours. Nothing I'm really keen on is available online or in my size. But, they do have $100 gift vouchers for $65. Anyone know how long the vouchers are valid for?

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CT  
Two years ago

Until they sack another import and need some cash flow in a hurry I expect.

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J  
Two years ago

Last season perth fans felt nate got hard done by, we were just whinging. Now he is hard done by..

If Randle took the same hit for wortho, stayed down and left the court I am sure all you self proclaimed unbiased people would have no problem with it?

Had the game shown a replay of the prather call nobody would have suggested it was in, cause live it looked in.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Had the game shown a replay of the prather call nobody would have suggested it was in, cause live it looked in.
This level of delusion is almost impressive.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Not sure how how Prather sulking after missed calls, turnovers or bad shots has anything to do with Cotton. Hes been doing it all season well before Cotten got here. Sure hes sore. Thats no reason to play half arsed on d or stay on the floor to make a point to refs. PRATHER needs an attitude adjustment. Blaming Cotten is jus another excuse.

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