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Anonymous
Earlier this year

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Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Perth Wildcats vice-captain Greg Hire has been charged by the NBL after being cited for allegedly striking Tony Mitchell in the Wildcats game against Cairns three days ago.

The NBL has stated that Hire made intentional, medium-impact high contact with the Taipans forward - worthy of a two game suspension.

If Hire enters an early guilty plea, the suspension will be reduced to one game.

The incident occurred with seven minutes and 30 seconds remaining in the final quarter of Sunday's game.

The Perth Wildcats are disappointed to be working through such matters in the lead up to two very important games, but will follow due-process in its response to the findings.

The 179-game Wildcats veteran has never previously been cited by the NBL.

http://www.wildcats.com.au/perth-wildcats/greg-hire-suspended-nbl-game-review-panel/


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
20:23 8 Feb 17

Reply #623448

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

So why hasn't Wortho been suspended?


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Dazz
Earlier this year
20:32 8 Feb 17

Reply #623451

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Its always funny when dipshit anonytrolls with their blatant perth-hating bias accuse others of pro-perth bias. (in the game thread, not here, yet)

First, has anybody actually bothered looking at the vision?
As you can CLEARLY see, Mitchell is holding Hire's arm, and Hire has to shrug out of his grip.
Then of course Mitchell has to go the whole head throw, and wobble around.

So can we assume that Mitchell isn't playing??? Hmm?
No, because unlike Knight who was genuinely concussed and is STILL in doubt, Mitchell is a cheating faker.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
20:34 8 Feb 17

Reply #623452

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Well if there was no contact and Mitchell is just a faker, then the Cats will appeal and Hire will be free to play. No harm done.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
20:35 8 Feb 17

Reply #623455

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

The early plea has been implemented and works well in the afl.
Who says it works well?
It's exactly the same problem.

How would you feel if the Cops pulled you over (when you had done nothing wrong) and said "you can give me a $100 cash, or I'll right you up for a $200 ticket"?


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Dazz
Earlier this year
20:40 8 Feb 17

Reply #623456

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Guess Dazz you just need something to whinge about besides the actual incident which you can't straight faced say wasn't suspension worthy.
Incorrect.
If the NBL judges Hire to be careless, (which he was, he could have pulled his arm out differently) and therefore deserving of suspension, the only problem I have with that is the inconsistency.

Conklin's behaviour was far worse, as was the impact, and he got nothing.
Tommy hitting Matt was also careless, and again impact far worse.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
20:43 8 Feb 17

Reply #623457

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I'd feel like saying "I think you mean WRITE me up" but would probably keep it to myself, especially since there would be no audible difference to me in that situation.
Quite the conundrum.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
20:49 8 Feb 17

Reply #623459

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Well if there was no contact
It's hard to tell, are you actually illiterate, or just a dick?
Where did I say there was no contact?
and Mitchell is just a faker
as I said, is Mitchell sitting out on Thursday? Was he subbed out or even assessed for concussion?
If the answer to all those is no, then its reasonable to question his reaction.
then the Cats will appeal and Hire will be free to play
No, they can still correctly say that Hire made careless contact to the head, and that may well require as suspension.
All I'm say is that if so, then there have been other incidents equally or more deserving.

(Mod: Quotes fixed.)


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
20:55 8 Feb 17

Reply #623463

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I don't know if I'm illiterate exactly, but your flagrant abuse of the html quote tags has certainly rendered me unable to read your post.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:02 8 Feb 17

Reply #623465

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

that's what is annoying about it is based off other incidents as a precedence, its not suspension worthy. If from here on this is a suspendable offence that's fine by me if its consistent, just annoying they picked now to suspend a Cats player for it. Just makes you feel a bit annoyed as a Cats fan given whats happened the last few years that Hire with his clean record gets offered 2 games (reduced to 1) for something careless and relatively low impact like that.

Realistically though our play off hopes and dreams weren't resting on hires shoulders, I'm more just annoyed with it then actually angry. We can definitely win without him, and if we lose i highly doubt it won't be because he didn't play.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
21:03 8 Feb 17

Reply #623466

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Looks like database corruption and a few posts lost again?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:03 8 Feb 17

Reply #623467

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

will be*


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Brunson
Earlier this year
21:10 8 Feb 17

Reply #623468

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Luuuc as you learned tonight you must be concussed for it to be suspension worthy. Thanks Dazz for clearing that up.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
21:12 8 Feb 17

Reply #623471

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Its always funny when dipshit anonytrolls with their blatant perth-hating bias accuse others of pro-perth bias. (in the game thread, not here, yet)
Dazz, can you just shut up about this sort of thing? It just infects more threads. Countless other users of Hoops manage to discuss and argue in a far more mature way.


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Wookiee
Earlier this year
21:13 8 Feb 17

Reply #623472

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Doesn't look like much and I think Wildcats fans have a right to be annoyed that it started off as a two game suspension to start with, especially considering what has been both let go and had lesser charges in the past...


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:16 8 Feb 17

Reply #623475

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"Luuuc as you learned tonight you must be concussed for it to be suspension worthy. Thanks Dazz for clearing that up."

I think what he means is in things like the AFL the injuries suffered as a result of the offence thats been reported is largely taken into consideration. In this case there seems to be no injury, where as others that have resulted in an injury have gotten off fairly lightly considering.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:23 8 Feb 17

Reply #623478

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Can't we just simply get rid of Dazz? When the owner of this site is bagging him out, then please solve the problem. The only problem with that statement is that Dazz wouldn't even know.

Unfortunately most people don't understand the concussion situation. There is no such thing as a "mild concussion".
If in doubt about head trauma they should be out for 1 week minimum. Nuff said.
The severity of multiple means longer put times. It isn't a linear thing and someone like D Martin should look at his case for future reference.


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J
Earlier this year
21:27 8 Feb 17

Reply #623481

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Inconsistent and ignoring precedent, legally and logically it is a ridiculous decision that is embarrassing for the league.

Maybe if they showed more consistency in their decision making people wouldn't feel they were unfairly treated.


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CT
Earlier this year
21:44 8 Feb 17

Reply #623487

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Yeah, bit cheeky but you see similar or worse in most games. It's not the call as much as the inconsistency that's the problem. I'd love to see the refs come down harder on the grubby niggly stuff that a lot of teams (and certain players in particular) have made a big part of their game but it has to be applied consistently.


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WTF !!
Earlier this year
22:39 8 Feb 17

Reply #623495

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I don't mind Dazz, many of its posts just remind me of the old joke about " if you are amazed about how pig-ignorant the average person can be, then think about the fact that as they are the average , then by definition, 50% of the population is even more cringe worthy."


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
23:08 8 Feb 17

Reply #623497

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Dazz at this point you are literally the only reason I dilieks Perth. You are the most em irrational of fans. Greg hire struck Mitchell to the head because he was being bumped as many cutters are. He was reckless with that elbow, and like Terrence Ferguson earlier in the year deserved the suspension. Deal wth it ol mate.


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paul
Earlier this year
23:26 8 Feb 17

Reply #623498

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"Conklin's behaviour was far worse, as was the impact, and he got nothing."

The tribunal system was changed after the Conklin incident, so that isn't considered as a precedent.


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Bigmd07
Earlier this year
01:19 9 Feb 17

Reply #623502

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

No issue with suspension for this type of conduct.....but how about we start next season.....too late in the year to save the shit show our officials have put on thus far.....just keep it as is and then have an off season review which will see the introduction of graded flagrant fouls


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FM
Earlier this year
08:06 9 Feb 17

Reply #623505

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Sounds rigged.

Sitting Greg Hire out for 1 or 2 games will help the Wildcats


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ROFLcopter
Earlier this year
09:31 9 Feb 17

Reply #623511

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

^^^ LOL

+1

Surely he won't be wearing Red next season. Horrible year.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
10:45 9 Feb 17

Reply #623516

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I like the way the new match committee operates, in assessing the contact base don the impact, where it landed, the intent, and then giving every incident a one match ban.

Also, the game was on Sunday, and the charge was laid late Wednesday. Get it together.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
11:25 9 Feb 17

Reply #623521

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Seemed a little long but perhaps they were dilerbating? End of the day the right decision was made the wrong 'play' was made by hire and this game doesn't need thuggery. The product is great, hire doesn't like being bumped as the cutter... retire.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
11:31 9 Feb 17

Reply #623523

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"dilerbating"

prolaby


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paul
Earlier this year
11:45 9 Feb 17

Reply #623525

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"Surely he won't be wearing Red next season. Horrible year."

Seriously? He leads them in 3P% at 41%, leads them in +/- (Perth are 118 points better off with him on the floor) and has been rock solid on the defensive end.

He'll get a pay rise if he's out of contract.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
11:54 9 Feb 17

Reply #623528

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

ROFLcopter doesn't follow the NBL


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
12:02 9 Feb 17

Reply #623529

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Weeks elbowed Cotton top the throat and face and Cotton was called for the foul. The refs and so called review panel are a joke.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
12:23 9 Feb 17

Reply #623535

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

[email protected]
Trevor Gleeson has told media that the club will be appealing Greg Hire's striking charge.


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Em
Earlier this year
12:35 9 Feb 17

Reply #623539

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Does that mean if the appeal is dismissed it is a 2 game ban?


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Brunson
Earlier this year
12:37 9 Feb 17

Reply #623540

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"@PerthWildcats
Trevor Gleeson has told media that the club will be appealing Greg Hire's striking charge."

I would be more surprised if Gleeson didn't appeal a decision....


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Zodiac
Earlier this year
12:59 9 Feb 17

Reply #623543

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Does that mean if the appeal is dismissed it is a 2 game ban?


I would think so as an appeal is hardly an admission of guilt.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:01 9 Feb 17

Reply #623545

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Bad idea. No one knows how the tribunal will determine an appeal. This isnt the right time to be testing the waters, even though I dont think it was intentional.


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Kingpodge
Earlier this year
13:11 9 Feb 17

Reply #623548

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I just get shivers when i see the words 'appealing' and 'Gleeson' in the same sentence, regardless of the context...


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:11 9 Feb 17

Reply #623549

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

He's like the guy at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, with his skin appealing off his face.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
13:24 9 Feb 17

Reply #623551

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Appeal will be heard tomorrow at noon.
That's really poor!

Putting aside the incident itself, there's no way the process should be still occurring on game day of the following round.


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ROFLcopter
Earlier this year
13:46 9 Feb 17

Reply #623556

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

+/- is a useless statistic when used in isolation.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:47 9 Feb 17

Reply #623557

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

+/- is a flog!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
13:59 9 Feb 17

Reply #623562

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

If the NBL can't get their shit together to give the players a fair hearing then they shouldn't be charging them in the first place.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:09 9 Feb 17

Reply #623564

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

What could they possibly be appealing? He swung his elbow in retaliation to being held up on the cut got the guy in the head. This is such a Perth thing to appeal, but surely to no avail, head high contact was made. Just need to swallow the pill this time. Unless they plan on saying he didn't make contact... ask Terrence Ferguson how that worked out.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:29 9 Feb 17

Reply #623567

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I'd say they would be appealing that it was intentional, and the medium impact part. I would call it was negligent and low impact.


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paul
Earlier this year
16:27 9 Feb 17

Reply #623575

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"+/- is a useless statistic when used in isolation."

It's not being used in isolation, it's being compared against the rest of his teammates across almost a full season.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
16:47 9 Feb 17

Reply #623578

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"+/- is a flog!"

LOL!


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Bill on the ball
Earlier this year
17:23 9 Feb 17

Reply #623585

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Hire was careless. Fine him but not suspend him.

It is not ethical at this stage to suspend if it is not intentional. I guess that is what Wildcats' appeal will be.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
23:11 9 Feb 17

Reply #623651

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

According to Gleeson's presser, they are going to challenge it. Seems risky.
Unless maybe Knight won't be up for tomorrow night, but they think he can make Melbourne?
Just seems the smart money would have been to face Sydney without Hire, and be certain of having him back for Melbourne.

The only thing I can think of, is that according to the Cats' article, the NBL assessed the contact as "INTENTIONAL." Say what you want, but that's a difficult assertion to prove.
"Careless"? Sure. Negligent or even Reckless maybe, but I can't see how they could possibly argue it was intentional.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
23:35 9 Feb 17

Reply #623656

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

"Seems risky."

By definition it is risky because he could have taken the known outcome but he's opted for the unknown one.
I thought you'd be all for this appeal given your comments about the incident in question.

What I'm wondering is whether a 1 game suspension is still a possibility. Hire undoubtedly whacked Mitchell with a raised elbow, so all we can argue is severity & intent. I could see them arguing it down from a 2 week punishment to 1 week. I'll be surprised if they can get it to the point where he doesn't miss a game, but if the reckon they've got a solid case then why not.
Perth really do need to win this Kings game and as much as some people take the piss, Hire has been an important part of our rotation this season. With an ageing and beaten-up team, and one that has to play in Melbourne 2 days after this crucial clash here in Perth, having those extra minutes to distribute could be a significant factor in both games.


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Anon
Earlier this year
00:43 10 Feb 17

Reply #623668

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Perth no longer favoured and the East coast rules... Joey on notice, Hire suspended, next up will be ????


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koberulz
Earlier this year
01:28 10 Feb 17

Reply #623671

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Yeah, if they'd charged him with low/negligent, he'd be up for a fine with a guilty plea but a 1-week suspension if an appeal failed. So if they manage to get it brought down...do they get the fine option? Or is it still a week anyway? If the latter, it's utterly pointless challenging it given that the best case changes nothing.

Live, I thought even the USF was a bit stiff. Looks entirely accidental to me.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
03:09 10 Feb 17

Reply #623673

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

My problem is that I don't know exactly what the criteria are.

As I've said all along, my biggest beef is with the inconsistency.

Now, if what I read is true and "The NBL has stated that Hire made intentional, medium-impact high contact with the Taipans forward", and by arguing it down to something less than intentional he can avoid suspension, then that's potentially a good move. I'd still be nervous because I don't trust the NBL to be rational. How did they look at it to begin with and decide "intentional"?


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paul
Earlier this year
05:14 10 Feb 17

Reply #623675

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

This hasn't been handled well by the league. Has dragged out far too long with a hearing five days after the incident.


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Bobby
Earlier this year
09:49 10 Feb 17

Reply #623689

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

He raised his elbows as he was going to the key in an effort to get a team mate to pass the ball to him (raised elbows to catch the ball). Not Hire's fault the other player was too busy sniffing his armpits.

Case dimissed.

The contact in last night's game was even worse than Hire.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
09:50 10 Feb 17

Reply #623690

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

This is set to be bigger than the OJ case. Accidental, please.


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Train
Earlier this year
13:40 10 Feb 17

Reply #623738

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Greg Hire has had his penalty reduced to a 1-game suspended sentence till the end of next season.

This means, he's free to play tonight!


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Train
Earlier this year
13:41 10 Feb 17

Reply #623739

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

That's from the Cats twitter account


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K
Earlier this year
13:41 10 Feb 17

Reply #623740

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Penalty has been reduced to a 1 game suspended sentence as per Wildcats twitter. Further details not given at this stage.

This seems a fair outcome given what we've seen at various points this season.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
13:41 10 Feb 17

Reply #623741

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Great news for the Cats. We need all hands on deck this weekend.

(I reckon he's lucky though)


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Train
Earlier this year
13:50 10 Feb 17

Reply #623742

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

I don't understand why this wasn't handed down in the first place.


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J
Earlier this year
14:06 10 Feb 17

Reply #623745

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

The attempt at tightening up unsportsmanlike play is a positive from the league. The timing and the way it was handled and the timing was completely unprofessional.

Like many things this year, good intentions even if a bit misguided, I mean this in a positive way.

The league really needs to further review it's tribunal procedures they were a long way off with their original charge. When you think of it in AFL teams the final penalty was a reprimand, the original charge was 2 weeks.There is a large discrepancy in actions that incur those penalties. Most would probably agree that, with the intention of consistently penalising undue "rough" contact 1 week with an early plea down to a suspended sentence would have made more sense from the get go. Especially if the team found out Tuesday morning.


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Dazz
Earlier this year
14:41 10 Feb 17

Reply #623748

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

It's all very strange. I don't know the details, but how did the NBL ever come up with the original finding of "intentional"?
End of the day, I think its a reasonable outcome.


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ROFLcopter
Earlier this year
14:44 10 Feb 17

Reply #623750

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Nope.

He should have gotten a week off for that. To my reckoning it was intentional and low/medium impact.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
14:48 10 Feb 17

Reply #623752

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Prove that it was intentional.


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ROFLcopter
Earlier this year
15:01 10 Feb 17

Reply #623758

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

There was no reason for his elbow to be that high in the air. He knew what he was doing. He was clearly frustrated and retaliating to being denied his cuts.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:04 10 Feb 17

Reply #623761

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

He obviously swung his arm to get Mitchell off him, and he obviously made contact, but to say it was intentional is a stretch.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:28 10 Feb 17

Reply #623765

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

The tribunal downgraded the charge to careless conduct so either they got it wrong, or ROFLcopter is a flog.


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ROFLcopter
Earlier this year
15:40 10 Feb 17

Reply #623766

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

It doesn't have to be either Mr Anonytroll.

The tribunal got it wrong AND ROFLcopter is a flog!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
16:55 10 Feb 17

Reply #623782

re: Greg Hire charged by NBL Game review Panel

Cats get off lightly again.


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