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Dazz
Earlier this year

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Did Too many teams go Too Big?

Been a great season, closest I can ever remember by far, quite an achievement with only 8 teams.

I haven't analysed this, so its only an impression.

That a lot of teams seem to have assembled very top heavy squads?
And if you look at the teams that struggled in the end, and even at Perth along the way, it was lack of depth in the backcourt that killed them.

Sydney rode Lisch into the ground, Brissy were left floundering once they lost Gibson, NZ only looked threatening after belatedly adding Dillard, and Perth were stuffed until Cotton came along.

Even MU, who looked deadly with Ware and Goulding on court, struggled when they rested.

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Shano76
Earlier this year
18:38 12 Feb 17

Reply #624639

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

It seems like you have answered your question.


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paul
Earlier this year
19:45 12 Feb 17

Reply #624690

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

I think only Brisbane, Sydney and Perth went with top heavy lineups, and the Cats rectified it, so I personally think no is the answer to your question. However, those teams were probably a good reinforcement of why you should err on the mobile side in a fast, aggressive league like the NBL.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
21:34 12 Feb 17

Reply #624747

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

"too" is a preposition so should be decapitalised.


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Luuuc
Earlier this year
21:38 12 Feb 17

Reply #624750

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

No.


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ME
Earlier this year
21:40 12 Feb 17

Reply #624751

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

Brisbane's line up was pure comedy from the start. I mean, how many power forwards does a single team need? They picked two of the most inconsistent guards in the game and paired them with basically every Australian forward not in the US or Europe and wondered why it didn't work out for them. Injuries notwithstanding, I think that team was destined for the cellar from the moment they were put together.


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LV
Earlier this year
14:52 13 Feb 17

Reply #624889

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

Yes- several teams went too big.

The alternative is just as bad- like United in 2014/15 thinking that a 5 man rotation of Kickert and Chris Patton, with Wortho and Walker at the 4 would be a good idea.

Roster balance is of such vital importance - it's amazing when NBL teams get it so badly wrong. For example Melbourne Tigers then United have got it horribly wrong several times in the past 7 or 8 years.


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Isaac
Earlier this year
15:18 13 Feb 17

Reply #624901

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

NZ only looked threatening after belatedly adding Dillard
He was replacing another guard though. That's more about upgrading a player than adjusting your depth at a given position.

Brisbane is the best example this season.

I agree with paul - I'd be erring on the guards rather than overload on SF/PF. You often see players transition up a role rather than down. e.g., Barlow playing bigger than when he started, Walker went from SF (I would've thought) to PF, Weigh also, Forman from SF to PF, Redhage and Hire too perhaps.

Not a great example but Harris can be streaky, but the Hawks often play three guards without a traditional SF.


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Mystro
Earlier this year
17:52 13 Feb 17

Reply #624927

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

the point forward may be the reasoning behind teams loading up at those spots due to ticking a lot of PG boxes with ball handling ability & passing vision with the added bonus of being able to trouble smaller true guards with their length defensively and bully them in the post and rebounding battles.
Only problem is that there are quite a few very quick Import PG's in the NBL who can burn them with outright speed (Randle, Ware etc) and have enough wingspan and nous to protect the ball when attacking the rim against them.


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J
Earlier this year
02:05 14 Feb 17

Reply #625147

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

No. Brisbane yes.

Sydney replacing Blake with a forward yes.

If Perth didn't lose all their pgs at once I don't think Jaron Johnson gets cut, he could play, although he was more of a sf


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:36 14 Feb 17

Reply #625250

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

You can never go too big in basketball!


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WTF !!
Earlier this year
17:49 14 Feb 17

Reply #625251

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

andrew svaldenis agees with you


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:52 14 Feb 17

Reply #625252

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

Small Ball has cost too many coaches too many crucial games of late at many different levels, surely it is clear that a dominant big man or two is the key to winning basketball championships?


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
17:56 14 Feb 17

Reply #625253

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

"Small Ball has cost too many coaches too many crucial games of late at many different levels, surely it is clear that a dominant big man or two is the key to winning basketball championships?"

Its also won coaches games, and NBA Finals!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
18:08 14 Feb 17

Reply #625258

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

NBA finals, what are you on anon, when Bogie Man was at Oakland he protected the rim and the won the championship so now he is gone what happened last season?

Just one example of many I reckon!


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Dazz
Earlier this year
18:58 14 Feb 17

Reply #625281

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

I'd argue that neither Melbourne nor NZ had enough depth in the backcourt.
But again I assume that was Moore's role, and I kinda lost track of who replaced whom.

Go back a couple of decades and it was not uncommon to see 3 PFs on the court, and the offensive guard was sometimes more akin to today's SF.

Today's game seems to require more ball-carriers in the backcourt, and a genuine SF, who at times seems to be more of a swingman. Then two bigs to play inside.


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:00 14 Feb 17

Reply #625282

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

It's all about buckets!


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Anonymous
Earlier this year
19:04 14 Feb 17

Reply #625284

re: Did Too many teams go Too Big?

"Go back a couple of decades"

Oh I too remember a couple of decades ago - when Kevin Brooks was an All-Star.


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