LC
Two years ago

Opals set to debut in Asian Cup in India

Australia's Opals embark on their first ever FIBA Asia Cup this coming weekend in Bangalore, India from 23-29 July.

The world number four ranked Opals enter the tournament as the highest FIBA ranked side and would be widely considered favourites heading into the event. They have been drawn in Group B against Korea (15th), the Philippines (49th) and Japan (13th). The tournament takes on great importance, as it serves as the qualifying event for the 2018 FIBA World Cup for Women. To qualify, the Opals must qualify for the medal rounds.

Opals ready for Asian Cup challenge in India

Games are streamed live via livebasketball.tv for a fee or replay available 24hrs after game for free on FIBA YouTube channel.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Live on Foxtel also.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

http://www.fiba.com/womensasiacup/2017/Australia#|tab=roster

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LC  
Two years ago

Yep - good to see Fox Sports jumping on

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Surprisingly all Asia games are televised, not jut the opals games.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Pity they aren't televising the u19 World Cup. On YouTube though...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why would u19 be on Fox Sports? o_O

RE: Asia Cup - yes it is cheap content for Fox as FIBA provides the feed and no on else in AUs operates a 24/7 sports channel to drive up the miniscule price they paid for it so of course they are showing it.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Starting 5 ?

Mansfield
Ebzery
Blicavs
Hodges
Tolo

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What are the realistic expectations from this tournament? Easy sweep of games? Struggle but sweep of games? Have things gone so bad I should prepare myself for a loss even?

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doggr  
Two years ago

Every game will be a smashing. Opals undefeated.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

im not sure we will be quick enough for Japan.

Although we are bigger than the other teams, I think some of our players will be surprised by the speed. Japan without tokashiki helps a lot but will snell, cumming, Garrick, Mansfield, ebzery and lavey be able to defend the perimeter and slow down their game.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Positions?

Lavey 1-2
Mansfield 1-2
Ebzery 2-1
Garrick 2-1
Cumming 2-3
Snell 2-3
Kunek 3-4
Blicavs 3-4
Griffin 4-3
Hodges 4-5
Smith 5-4
Tolo 5-4

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

I hope Fox Sports are going to show the finals live too - it's not mentioned in any of their articles so hopefully it's just because they don't know the times yet?

I think that Japan and NZ will be our biggest threats - though now Jap don't have Tokashiki I think we should be able to account for them. I'd be very surprised if we didn't make the gold medal game, to be honest.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We will make the top 4 and qualify for sure.

I think bringing back snell, hodges is going in the wrong direction.
I would have like to have seen a couple of other younger players get a shot and give others already on the team a chance to lead.

Seabl
Scherf, Tupaea, Roberts, Froling

Premier league
Wilson, Thompson

College
Wallace, Froling

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Can not see New Zealand even going close to Australia. They have girls that can't get on the court at the Boomers playing like Bygate. So no chance

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cocks, farnworth, Taylor, Harmon, Purcell is a decent starting 5.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

As per the Tall Ferns' story, every team automatically qualifies for the quarterfinals:

http://basketball.org.nz/Tall-Ferns-News/tall-ferns-seek-world-cup-qualification-as-fiba-asia-cup-tips-off-in-bangalore-on-sunday

It will be a disaster for the Opals if their Asia Cup quarter follows the same trend as their campaign in Rio.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Regardless of whether they end up first or second in their pool, they should come up against either North Korea or Chinese Taipei in the quarters. We should be able to very, very comfortably take care of both those sides.

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very old  
Two years ago

http://www.botinagy.com/blog/new-faces-lead-opals-charge/

Is Tessa Lavey anywhere near WNBL level as Joyce claimed ?
I'm also thinking that its a good thing Snell was there today.

Just how embarrassing for Basketball Australia that we have to field a naturalized american in order to compete in Asia/Oceania cups ?.

Yes I know its probably at least our "C" team out there, even if Lavey was a starter last worlds/Olympics . But I just watched the and and thought , just where are the current generation of point guards, we used to be so deep now ... ?

anyway, good on them, they are having a good crack at it and i wish then well, I'm hoping that they will get better as they go on, which will indicate a marked improvement in coaching leadership and competence IMHO.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Not really our "C" team. "B" would be fair though.
Who was unavailable that would/might have made it instead? Off the top of my head:
- Cambage
- Batkovic
- George
- Bishop
- Allen
- O'Hea
- Jarry
- Talbot
- Phillips
- Mitchell/Whitcomb

Took a while for them to settle - understandably for a new group - but they went ok I thought.
The guard situation has been an obvious concern for several years now.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cambage would be the only lock for World Cup and Tokyo. Everyone else is no guarantee.

The WNBA players have been pretty poor. The others haven't played well the last few seasons apart from batkovic who will be 38-39y.o

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Anon  
Two years ago

Ohea was available but not picked, All of those players listed could have made themselves available but didn't.

Lavey has never been a great PG , only in Joyce's eyes, Mansfield is too busy conducting the"look at me" show, but will say she's a bit better than Lavey, hodges, way too slow, I'd say closer to a C team.
Only shinning light there was Smith, which is a bit sad in some ways considering she's only 20 , but fantastic for the future, so many good young ones to come through in the next few years, and hopefully ones that are Australians AND committed to play for Australia

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lavey can easily get to the basket but she is way too timid.
I thought Clydesdale was the next best choice after Mansfield.

I would also like to see what Mangakahia can do.
She was top juco pg and then signed to Syracuse.
She's super quick and plays with a lot of tenacity.
Gone under the radar perhaps?

Wehrung and Reid are 2 more that have potential.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Mansfield was a fresh breath of air after some of our run fast and kick it off to the wing PGs. She has the handles and doesn't pick up the dribble until she sees something open.
Where did Mangakahia play.? Thought she was in where Kalani Purcell was but cant find stats.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

cut the girls some slack, its only been one game. and they did win.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Australia has a good list of potential pg/sg to play that 1/2 position coming through in the next few years
Beginning with Clydesdale who should have been there now ,
Wallace
Wherung
Antoniadou
Shelley
Conti( though her size may hamper her at international level)

Then you have those who have fallen off the radar like Mangakahi, Panousiss
And probably several more that I can't think of right now, they are all still developing
And all 23 and under, so plenty in the pot for years to come
Then you have the next wave coming through after that

Think Australia will be fine if they continue to develop these younger ones and not just rely on the older group who are coming to the end of their prime time in the next couple of years

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Thought that was a solid first outing, considering the group haven't had any warm up games together like most of the other sides have. Although you could really tell that some of the players hadn't played since their respective WNBL/Europe seasons, hopefully they can blow away the cobwebs against the Philippines today, who lost to Japan by 51 yesterday.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Potential pg or cg

In the running...u25
93 Lavey 5'7
93 Clydesdale 5'10
95 Mangakahia 5'6
95 Wehrung 5'10
96 Reid 5'6
96 Antoniadou 5'9
96 Wallace 5'11

A while away...
98 Elsworthy 5'7
99 Tessari 5'5
99 Conti 5'5
99 Mclean 5'10
00 Shelley 00
00 Goodchild 5'9
01 Heal 5'6
01 Poa 5'9

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Jane Adams  
Two years ago

What about Talia Tupaea?? Best of the lot. An injury free season this year will ensure she starts at Comm Games and Worlds. Todhunter won't even start at Dandenong this year as Laia Palau is one of (if not the) the worlds best point guards. I don't think Dandenong realise what they have with Laia!

Go Opals

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Hobbs  
Two years ago

"Where did Mangakahia play.? Thought she was in where Kalani Purcell was but cant find stats."

She was at Hutchinson Community College but i think she blew her knee first year and didnt play at all second year . Not sure how her eligibility worked for NCAA when she played two years of WNBL (not sure if she was a DP) and was contracted to play SEABL at Brisbane Spartans.
Has transferred to Syracuse as a Junior.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

You don't think Tupaea is better as an off guard?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hv8_WacaEKw

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Thalia is not a PG , she's a 2 probably even a small 3, not fast enough for a PG or an organiser, but yes a good player for a future opal

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

small 3? wtf? you must be thinking of someone else lol!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I don't think she's an opal. 5'9 sg and slow.
If you don't have legit speed these days, you are very unlikely to play senior international basketball.

Several others her age ahead in the que.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

She's a very solid build could easily sit on the wing , but yes slow, and back to back injuries won't help her get any faster, she's just not built for speed
But good player just the same

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

No Tolo today.. The commentators said yesterday something about a calf problem (although that could be wrong - they were calling players by the wrong names all game)

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Hespect  
Two years ago

Seems like most posters want a squad put together under olympic soccer age rules (all under 23 minus a few seniors).

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Well it looks like snell and hodges were not needed.

Wallace and Scherf would have been just fine.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Can't say that yet - the two teams we have played would be in the bottom 3 in the tournament. I just think in games like these, why were Hodges/Snell given the start. Would much rather them play 10 or so minutes off the bench and give more minutes to the likes of Mansfield, Cumming, Garrick, Kunek or Smith.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

They shouldnt be there full stop.

The Japanese b team will probably beat us tomorrow and then we will end up playing china who look to be far better than any other team at the tournament.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lavey, snell, kunek, hodges... Nup.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

And Ebzery , don't think she should be there

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What would nz's best squad look like with everyone available?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

On topic of why youth weren't introduced in favour of Snell/Hodges, it's quite evident looking at the ages from all her Phoenix rosters these past seasons that Brondello is not a coach inclined toward (or perhaps not good at) developing young players. If she has most say over the rosters the Opals will be an older squad, whether that's the most talented side or not.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

the 20 year old late replacement is leading in points, rebounds, blocks and overall efficiency for the team.

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I  
Two years ago

Mijovic
Hurst
Jarry
Ohea
Phillips
Tomlinson
Wallace

Are all better options

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Phillips, too old
Hurst, too old.
Mijovic, can't play defense.
Ohea, great shooter, on the way out..
Jarry, been terrible last few seasons.
Tomlinson, unknown.


5'11 Snell 81' could have been replaced by
5'9 Wilson 94'
5'11 Wallace 96'

6'3 Hodges 83' could have been replaced by
6'5 Scherf 96'
6'5 Bunton 93' (injured)

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wallace is not 5"11 , why do
People keep posting she is , maybe with heel
Lifts lol
But she probably would have been better than Lavey

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why has it been listed on every team that she's 5'11 then

Baylor, Aus u19s, ajc.

And Lavey is a pg, Wallace a sg. (Eventhough she filled at the point this year)

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Starting lineup for today is: Lavey - Ebzery - Snell - Griffin - Tolo

Great to see that Tolo is fit enough to suit up again - though I suspect they were just giving her a precautionary game off due to the opposition yesterday. Honestly I'm surprised Mansfield and Blicavs aren't in the starting lineup, especially against Japan I'd go Blicavs over Snell or Griffin for speed purposes.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

NZ also just scraped through for a 6pt win against Chinese Taipei, meaning should we win this game and our first final + NZ win theirs, we should meet them in the semis.

The final standings in group A (Assuming China beats Korea) look to be
1. China
2 NZ
3. Chinese Taipei
4. Korea

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It's the same way the men's tournament is structured. They've designed so the most likely semi final is AU vs NZ. So kind of designed to guarantee one Oceania team vs. one original FIBA Asia team in the Final.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Close contest so far. Not a lot of shots dropping for either team.
Opals trail 14-15 after 1.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The best lineup is

Mansfield
Cumming
Blicavs
Griffin
Smith


Hodges looks like shes runsning in slow motion.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Not many calls going our way either and some silly turnovers. Hope they get their game together soon

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

This is Japan's b team apart from the pg.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

lol what a prestigous tournament

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We are going to get slaughtered Next year if brondello chooses veterans and mates.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Thank goodness for Kelsey Griffin

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Speed is the key, not size.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Opals up 34-30 at half time
Griffin 12p 5r
Tolo 10p 4r
Snell 5p 4a
We're looking after the ball pretty well, and slightly ahead on the boards (22-18)

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Opals up by 11. Too easy.

FIBA Asia is full of trash teams as I've been trying to tell people who panicked about team selections for both men and women.

The only team to worry about is China. Whereas even weaker countries like Japan aren't even taking it seriously China try really, really, really hard.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

3QT JPN 50-59 AUS

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Kenny Mayne  
Two years ago

Still plenty of good seats available... if you're just driving' around.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

It was far from an 'easy' first half IMO.
Coach obviously isn't all that confident either given the shortened rotation.
Fortunately the threes are dropping for us - 8/14 so far.
59-50 with a quarter to play

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Obviously not super easy for this B or C team we have out there.

But in light of what these other teams provide and are putting out there it is rather easy even with a C squad.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Ebzery & Cumming on target today :)

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Up by 13pts now, my this is hard... oh wait I mean easy.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

My goodness Laveys game irritates me..
Not opals calibre.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

does blicavs think shes kevin Durant or something? shes really jacking up some rubbish

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Just saw one of the JPN players jack up a three. Awful, awful release... as if it were at the local park. Are these players even pros?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

no there not pros yet they still nearly knocked us off in rio

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why doesn't BA just admit Olaf is the coach? Even if she was available he would be running the show. Why did it have to be Sandy's name on paper... bit sexist?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"no there not pros yet they still nearly knocked us off in rio"

So? What I saw was an awful release of a shot which looked like some kid heaving a basketball up for the first time ever at the local park. My observation.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

sarah 1/10 bricksavs checks back in

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I feel bad for chambers.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Japan good at threes.

Too bad for them the game isn't all about the threeball.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Fujioka is good value

6 point game, 2:29 left. Good thing for us that it's too easy.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Opals win 83-74
12/20 from deep!

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paul  
Two years ago

Still no answer for their high ball-screen but a great perimeter game gets us through, and that's all it's really about at this tournament.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Australia in a hard fought (lol) nine point win.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Still no answer for their high ball-screen but a great perimeter game gets us through, and that's all it's really about at this tournament."

You make it sound like this tournament is easy? Apparently it's hard!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The only thing hard about that game was watching it.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It's most likely china b vs Japan b, nz b vs australia b semi finals.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hard to be critical when they get the job done

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Any word on whether Foxtel are showing the finals?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Are they using FIBA commentators or Aussie ones?

The only reason I ask is I fear of hearing Joyce's voice in both the Asian Cup tournaments if so :x

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Haha, don't worry, it's FIBA commentators

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Thanks :D

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Since we are now in the Asian Cup and the word 'asian' is being used a lot on this website is that why I keep getting banner ads on Hoops advertising a Korean water fun park? WTF?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

WFP?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

An ad tried to sell me a vending machine that's makes pho

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

brondello being Phoenix coach...
Do you think she'll guarantee Mitchell, Talbot and George World Cup spots?

Automatically pushes out Griffin, Whitcomb and a pf like Blicavs, smith or bishop or even Tolo.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Other than the 1 naturalised spot, I disagree that there would be any automatic pushing out.
Mitchell, Whitcomb & Griffin would all be instant inclusions in our best 12 (and possibly even our best starting 5) so that one is going to come down to health, form, and other options at the time. I still think that despite her age, Leilani has the inside running there due to her poise and our lack of other PG options.

Talbot looks like being worthy of a spot regardless of who she plays for in the WNBA. She's doing pretty well this season.
George might not be a Mercury player much longer on current form, in which case there would be no conflict of interest there anyway.

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Hespect  
Two years ago

Good quality game. Great shot making from both teams.

Tolo is great in FIBA competitions, great d and a soft touch around the hoop.

I like Olaf's rotations, he seems to have a good feel for the flow of the game and isn't 'married' to particular players (like the previous administration).

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Mitchell should still be our number 1 point guard with Mansfield our back up. Lavey a distant 3rd stringer.

Agree on Talbot, have watched a few Phoenix games this season and she is doing very, very well for a rookie. She seems to be thriving under a coach that doesn't rip her off the court for making a mistake unlike in Rio.

Smith is the bolter and may get a spot if Mitchell pushes out Griffin.

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Anon  
Two years ago


Talbot looks like being worthy of a spot regardless of who she plays for in the WNBA. She's doing pretty well this season.
George might not be a Mercury player much longer on current form, in which case there would be no conflict of interest there anyway.


Theirvshould be no bias towards any p,ayers who may play in the opposition WNBA teams, Brondello should be putting the Opals first NOT her WNBA title when it comes to team selection, but why the hell is Olaf coaching, the choices looks like they will come from him the way Chambers and Gorris have literally been pushed aside.

This is a joke, just who is calling the shots at BA,

As for players remaining from this side for the next event that will depend on who ends up being available,but The ones definitely needing replacing are Kunek,Lavey and Hodges, Smith probably won't get a gig once the others are available, though she certainly has shown her potential so far.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sandy being coach means Olaf basically. Why the surprise?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I personally think Mitchell and Griffin will lose out to Whitcomb.

Need a pg that Can bring an enormous amount of pressure on defense, like every other position. Uptempo, pushing the ball and penetrating inside. I'd keep my eye on Mangakahia. Mansfield would probably start as the other pg.
Let's also see what Clydesdale can do at Adelaide along with Wehrung at Canberra.

Whitcomb can get mighty hot real fast and brings more energy than the other 2 naturalised players on the defensive end.
6'2 Griffin is too small as an international pf away from the Asian nations and much slower than Blicavs who easily covers her spot as a 3/4. Also have 6'2 Talbot and 6'2 Allen who are better perimeter shooters and pron ly better perimeter defenders.

The other guard positions would come from 2 of Cumming, Garrick, Ebzery, Wallace or Wilson. Will most likely depend on how they go during the wnbl/college season.
I'd go with cumming and Wallace as early predictions. Both are bigger, are known for there defense and seem to be much better at feeding the ball into the post.

Cambage will be the starting 5 no doubt.
One other legit center, And a 2 combo posts.
Batkovic, Tolo, Bunton and young players Scherf, Smith and Magbegor.
Can't remember what Tomlinson can do and mijovic can't play defense.

Magbegor is Inexperienced at senior level.
Batkovic will be 38, Just think she will step down. Scherf vs Bunton for the final center spot.
I think Bunton is a bit stronger at this stage. Scherf will get her chance in 2022 etc. she'll only be 25.

So, IMO Something like...

2018 World Cup squad
5'7 Mansfield PG
5'7 Mangakahia PG(untested but hopeful)
5'10 Whitcomb SG
5'11 Cumming SG
5'11 Wallace SG/PG
6'2 Talbot SF/SG
6'2 Allen SF/PF
6'2 Blicavs SF/PF
6'4 Smith PF/C
6'5 Tolo PF/C
6'5 Bunton C
6'8 Cambage C

Just my opinion...
What would your squad look like?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

mangakahia??? that's random

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah it's random, but Lavey can't do the job and I picked Whitcomb over Mitchell.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

how is she going to leapfrog 10 other point guards in a year? no chance

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Because she's stashed in America where you don't see her and she was injured.
She was number 1 ranked junior college pg the previous year. I think she 21-22y.o

Pushes the ball, lightning quick and a pest on defense.

There's a few other pgs around but not 10.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That is funny

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We shall see..

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

#1 ranked pg in low div junco college, that's worse than youth league div2 lol

From memory She struggled when at Townsville , and could only get a Juco college to get into , you usually pay your own way, sure she's now picked up transfer to Syracuse, but lets see how she goes at that level before you go touting Opals lol
Plenty already proving their worth ahead of her.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I smell another parent.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Who's ahead of her?
Clydesdale, Wehrung who else?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

cole, lavey, tupaea

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lavey, cmon man..
Tupaea is a sg, Cole also.

None of them have proven they can play the point properly.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Wallace, Antoniadou, both strong PG, but Clydesdale is way ahead of all of them, sorry but being the #PG at a low level community college in Hicksville USA does not an Opals PG are, no matter how much you want to push it,
Add Panoussiss into that mix and probably a few more and shesway down that list right now

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Honest question, what was the point of hiring Chambers and Gorris when Brondello is just going to replace them with her husband and her mate?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

brondello being Phoenix coach...
Do you think she'll guarantee Mitchell, Talbot and George World Cup spots?
--

Yeah there's no question in my mind. There's also no question in my mind she'll use Phoenix to collect and groom players she wants to be Opals.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Antoniadou is so far off the mark. Did nothing at Florida state and is down the line at Dandenong.
Wallace is a sg. She wasn't great at the point when Johnson left. It's why Baylor has signed mostly pgs.
And Panousis was moved over to the off guard also at Virginia tech.

Clydesdale, Lavey and Wehrung are the only 3 options after Mansfield/Mitchell

Lavey, not aggressive enough.
Wehrung can't get a good season underneath her.
Clydesdale has potential but is being overlooked.

The dps are elsworthy, tessari, Rocci, Conti who are also not ready. Years away.

Overseas you have...
5'6 Reid-Buffalo
5'7 Nakkasoglu-Florida
5'6 Mangakahia-Syracuse
5'7 Hay-some community college
5'5 West-Utah state


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Luuuc  
Two years ago

And the above summary is exactly why - as much as I love Whitcomb (i.e. a lot) - I think that the naturalized spot is Mitchell's to lose. Because the drop-off is significant and unlikely to change all that much in 3 years, let alone 12 months.

Will the next top aussie PG please stand up.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What will you get from ?
Mitchell
Whitcomb
Griffin

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Anon  
Two years ago

Non of those overseas " are any good,

Best bets for future is Clydesdale , Wallace and Wherung are shooting guards
Wouldn't right Antoniadou off, she was a freshman behind Romero, then played behind Clydesdale and Toddhunter, now behind the Spanish guard and Lavey hard gig, but plenty of time yet, and some good development for a young player training with and against those guards

Lots of time to go though, so you really never know just who might step up to fill Mitchell's shoes, we really havent had a true Aussie PG since Harrower, and with the trend for the taller PGs now it's really an open field, though any PG must be able to defend, direct and be quick to match the international PGs coming through.

For the immediate future ( next two years) I'd say they have it covered with what they have already

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I'm not sure that it will be all just 'what will x player give'.

But more so what areas are we looking to develop and have ready for Tokyo.

It seems the guard spots are really being thrust into it with obviously Lavey, Mansfied, Ebzery and Cumming. They will also have more time to develop over the next year and before Tokyo.

With Mitchell's age going against her, as Luuuc said it's her spot to lose.

Whitcomb who hasn't been in the program I don't see making the World Cup at all, Tokyo if anything but I'm not counting on it.

That leaves Griffin,

I have no doubt that she will be in the running for the WC and Tokyo, Sandy/Olaf must recognize her background and exploits at the 3/4 spot and in my opinion our weaker of the two spots to fill and use a naturalized spot at.

Age also might go against her come Tokyo but if she continues to have strong performances then it will only help her.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Ranking the top 4 PGs IMO

Playmaking
Mansfield-1
Mitchell-2
Clydesdale-3
Lavey-4

Offense
Mansfield-1
Mitchell-2
Clydesdale-3
Lavey-4

Defense
Clydesdale-1
Lavey-2
Mansfield-3
Mitchell-4

Speed
Clydesdale-1
Lavey-2
Mansfield-3
Mitchell-4

Ball handling
Mitchell-1
Mansfield-2
Clydesdale-3
Lavey-4

Perimeter shooting
Mitchell-1
Mansfield-2
Lavey-3
Clydesdale-4

Ft shooting
Mitchell-1
Mansfield-2
Clydesdale-3
Lavey-4

Basketball Smarts
Mitchell-1
Mansfield-2
Clydesdale-3
Lavey-4


Lowest score= best
Mitchell-16 points
Mansfield-16 points
Clydesdale-21 points
Lavey-27 points


Mitchell and Mansfield look like the 2 best options, but when you make certain attributes a priority for today's game.

1 Defense, 2. Playmaking, 3 speed, 4 offense.

You get
Clydesdale-8 points
Mansfield-8 points
Mitchell-12 points
Lavey-12 points

If you apply the same attributes to Whitcomb as a sg. She would be ahead of Mitchell in 3 of those categories.

I would not frown if Clydesdale and Mansfield were chosen and Whitcomb came in.
Points are needed on the board and mitchell will not slow down those new fast guards a lot of other nations have. What you lose on defense outweighs what you gain on offense.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lavey is a terrible defender, don't get distracted by her fake hustle, she gets blown by and scored on time and again, opens up on the drive giving them the lane and looks lost in the pick and roll. At least Mitchell is wiley and will get some sneaky steals from her lazy d

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hey Anon,

"Non of those overseas " are any good"
I am sure you watched every single of them play and train in the last year and you know all about their development.

"Wouldn't right (write) Antoniadou off, she was a freshman behind Romero, then played behind Clydesdale and Toddhunter, now behind the Spanish guard and Lavey hard gig, but plenty of time yet, and some good development for a young player training with and against those guards"

Not shown anything but plenty of time for good development for a young player who might be a 3. string behind some guards ... yet again none of the others can develop without you seeing it...

Doesn't sound much objective, does it??

Hopefully there will be some development in the young ones so they can fill in the PG spot effectively...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago


lots to be concerned about with that game. Griffin and Snell kept us alive when it looked like Tolo and Hodges wanted to throw it away. No excuses for either of those players, when Tolo has to put the ball on the floor I shudder and Hodges, well, she just shouldn't be there anyway and I'm just as worried that Lavey and Mansfield seem incapable of putting heat on the opposing pg's, they couldn't stop the dribble penetration. It made me think fondly of how good Tully Bevilaqua used to be on defence. But judging from comments above all that people expect from pg's these days is that they be fast, what a laugh! I have to give some credit to Japan for sticking in the contest and making a game of it.

FWIW my 5 would be Ebzery; Ebzery; Snell; Griffin; Sara Blicavs. But since Katie can't play two positions at the same time I'd bring in Steph Blicavs at 2, unless Brondello has a relative that can play that spot and sneak on to the team without going through any selection process.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Top 30?

PG
5'5 Mitchell
5'7 Mansfield
5'8 Lavey
5'10 Wehrung
5'10 Clydesdale
5'10 Cole

SG
5'9 Wilson
5'10 Whitcomb
5'10 Ebzery
5'10 Garrick
5'11 Cumming
5'11 Wallace

SF
6'1 Jarry
6'1 Ohea
6'2 Newley
6'2 Talbot
6'2 Allen
6'2 Kunek

PF
6'2 Blicavs
6'2 Griffin
6'3 Bishop
6'4 Smith
6'4 Tomlinson
6'4 George

C
6'4 Magbegor
6'5 Batkovic
6'5 Scherf
6'5 Tolo
6'5 Bunton
6'8 Cambage

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

oh nooo ! where is Antoniadou ??

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Tall Ferns & Opals quarter finals both being shown live on Fox :)

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Anon  
Two years ago

When are they on, tonight or tomorrow?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Tomorrow, Friday semis, Saturday final.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Both Aus & NZ's QF games will be shown live today:
QF 1 NZ v Korea today at 3.20pm AEST Fox Sports 505
QF 2 Aus v DPR Korea today at 5.35pm AEST Fox Sports 505

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Big game for the Tall Ferns (vs Korea) has just tipped off.

Boxscore

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

ANZ vs. the Koreas.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hope it goes better than last time

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

touché

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Ouch! From a 20-10 lead to a 20-28 deficit.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Luckily we got the North.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Still stuck on 20 points. They're beached as.
20-34 at half time. 24-0 run over the last ~ 7 minutes. Fatal.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

LOL @ FIBA Asia

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Anon  
Two years ago

Molloy taking a back seat at coaching this second half lol

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Geez they needed that buzzer beater three by Edmondson..

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Doesn't look good but they're hanging around. Can't hit shots though and Korea are generating much easier looks.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

They're literally throwing this game away by making such poor choices, wow

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

NZ just went down to Korea 49 to 64. The Opals face Korea in the semis should they win today.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Is KK the losingest coach in women's basketball?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I very much doubt it!

[/long time Perth Lynx fan]

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Mansfield finally looks like she's getting the start!

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Ok, time to kick some arse and book our spot in the worlds.

Mansfield comes into the starting 5. Fair call.

Boxscore

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cumming?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

28-12 at quarter time, and it's pretty much garbage time already.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Too easy (again).

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I reckon if you checked KK's coaching record of international, WNBL and SEABL he could be the losingest coach you could find at international level.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Must be a good interview.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

You might be right, #219

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

*yawn*

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The great pretender

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Opals win 81-48

That second half was pretty ugly, although Alanna Smith made the most of her time. Looking forward to seeing her against the better teams.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

81-48, thrilling game!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So Australia v South Korea semi?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

"So Australia v South Korea semi?"

Yes.

I was hoping that both Japan & China would get a crack at us in the playoff stages, but they're in the same half.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Aus v China final

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I might be in the minority.... but I can't see Mansfield having a long term place in this team...poor ball handler, dribbles way too much and seems to have poor understanding of the game, which results in turnovers. I'm no fan of Lavey, but she's a better distributor and doesn't drive into traffic constantly and can put pressure on the ball. For me, Mitchell is still way out in front, but the back up is up for grabs. Hope someone younger gets their chance to challenge before world champs.

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Anon  
Two years ago

^ agree, Mansfield is too busy trying to put on a show, Lavey looks the goods but lacks substance, Mitchell hard to beat in the PG role, like to see Clydesdale as one of the back ups over both Mansfiekd and Lavey

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Mansfield has done ok, but yeah there are some aspects of her game that she can work on. Bit of over-dribbling, and a bit of forcing some passes and being a bit predictable with them. But it's her first senior international tournament, right? So maybe she's just trying a bit too hard to establish herself as a distributor.
Passes up some good looks that she can't afford to pass up against good opposition. But it's hard to judge too much in crappy games like today's. That's why I was hoping we'd get 2 tough finals instead of just 1 - so we could get a better look at some players in more meaningful court time.

Bottom line though, Lauren has already done enough to lock her name into the group of guards competing for a spot in the real Opals 12.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lavey(no chance)
Mansfield(50/50)
Ebzery(50/50)
Garrick(50/50)
Snell(no chance)
Cumming
Kunek(no chance)
Blicavs
Griffin(no chance-Mitchell)
Hodges(no chance)
Smith(50/50)
Tolo

Only 3 guaranteed players IMO.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If Wallace improves her ball handling, she could very well be the backup.
She would be one of the best defenders and 3pt shooters at her position amongst the group. She's also very good at feeding the ball into the bigs. Brown, cox, montpremier etc.

Wehrung also one to watch, outside of Clydesdale, and Mansfield this upcoming wnbl season.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Feel bad for nz.
A couple of there college players and they would have made it through.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No Rooney, davidson, beck etc

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

NZ needed better coaching as the commentators said , absolutely no offence, switching on screens and no help defence, all that needed to be addressed by the coaching staff.... it was a bit like watching Boomers and lynx play to be honest , exact same errors

Sure the could have used stronger players, but just getting those they had organised and thinking would have helped

Now they have a plenty of time to find a decent coaching group, if they start looking now they may get a chance to get back into the mix one day

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I've got...

Opals 2018 worlds
G
5'5 L.Mitchell 85 PG
5'7 L.Mansfield 89 PG
5'11 K.Wallace 96 CG
5'11 S.Cumming 90 SG
F
6'1 J.Ohea 87 SG/SF
6'2 R.Allen 92 SG/SF
6'2 S.Talbot 94 SF
6'2 S.Blicavs 93 CF
P
6'4 A.Smith 96 PF
6'5 M.Tolo 89 PF/C
6'5 A.Bunton 93 C
6'8 E.Cambage 92 C


Would go with Batkovic but at 37-38, might be best to move on from her.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Their offence was so stagnant that it was painful to watch, so many poor choices in their shots - or more like they were forced into taking those poor turn arounds when the rest of the team wouldn't offer anything. Add to that the numerous times they attempted to pass to an open teammate but handed it straight to Korea without them having to move at all for it.

I only caught the second half of their game, but perhaps they started their celebrations too early at QT and started to disrespect Korea's ability?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The nz team will be vastly different in 5 years time.
Some nice young talent will be available in their mid-early 20s.

Purcell will probably be the only player to keep her spot from this campaign.
Maybe 2 more.

Obviously need a new coach too.

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Two years ago

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baller  
Two years ago

I've got...

Opals 2018 worlds
G
5'5 L.Mitchell 85 PG
5'7 L.Mansfield 89 PG
5'11 K.Wallace 96 CG
5'11 S.Cumming 90 SG
F
6'1 J.Ohea 87 SG/SF
6'2 R.Allen 92 SG/SF
6'2 S.Talbot 94 SF
6'2 S.Blicavs 93 CF
P
6'4 A.Smith 96 PF
6'5 M.Tolo 89 PF/C
6'5 A.Bunton 93 C
6'8 E.Cambage 92 C


Would go with Batkovic but at 37-38, might be best to move on from her.


I like this lineup as well Anon - has plenty of experience but brings in the obvious youth talent with Wallace and Smith. I like the way Sara Blicavs is playing in this tournament - aggressive offensively and great on D. She is physical on both ends too which we will need a bit of to succeed in the better tournaments.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Griffin getting the Opals off to another good start

Boxscore

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Would a SEABL all star team qualify for worlds via Asia?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Has to be laveys last chance.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I like seeing Olaf trying some different combinations.
Yesterday he ran both Mansfield & Lavey at the same time. For a few minutes just then he had neither of them, and used Ebzery + Cumming.

It'd be very handy going forward if Ebzery could become a viable combo guard. Not sure it's going to work though.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Ebzerys a better pg than Lavey..

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

A better player, for sure, but I don't know about a better PG just yet. She is clearly working on it though.
Meanwhile though, Mansfield has already tweaked her game and taken some shots she would have previously passed up.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We are seeing the end of hodges opals career...
Hall of famer?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

no

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

81-64 final score. Bench got plenty of burn.
Looking forward to the final.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Kelsey Griffin looking like tournament MVP at this stage, didn't even play the 4th quarter and most of the 3rd.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Certainly Opals MVP. I don't know about tournament, because other countries have heavier reliance on their stars.
Case in point - Fujioka just finished tearing up China. 19 points, 8 boards, 14 assists.

Opals to face Japan in the final.

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paul  
Two years ago

You're right, but FIBA like their tournament MVPs to come from the winning team, so Griffin is a chance, especially if she plays well in the final.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Hard to argue if the best player on the best team wins it

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I thought Tolo was the only player who looked like a true international player, and certainly not a starter. Tournament has been very ordinary.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If we don't shut mt Fuji down tomorrow , we lose.
Our shooting got us the win last game.

It won't be long till Japan has 5 Fuji types on the floor at once.
Next year they will add tokashiki atnd a couple of others. Definite medal contenders next year.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Wow no China in final. Too easy. Cakewalk.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Someone actually thinks China is better than Japan?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Historically yes. Most recently maybe not?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Who can slow Fuji?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Good test for Mansfield & Lavey.

No excuses for the Opals. All our players have had plenty of rest, while Japan had to work their arses off to get past China. Plus they appear to have lost their captain Yoshida to injury, so they are down 1 starter.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Interesting that the team was -4 for the 18 minutes lavey on the court.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I'd say that was laveys last chance to prove herself.

Looks like Mitchell and Mansfield will take us through to the Olympics.
Clydesdale as the next best option.

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paul  
Two years ago

I tell you what though, if Fujioka has another game like last night in the final, even in a losing team, surely she will be MVP, it will be too good a story for FIBA to refuse in a big women's basketball market.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Japan's program is really flying right now.

U19 team through to the semi finals at the World Cup and apparently have also got a fast paced u16 team for Asia.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Un19s got knocked out of the qtr final, they play off for 5to8th placing now, Russia was too strong , Gems unlucky with their final run too late.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

^ they were referring to Japan's U19 team, who are through to the semis.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

NZ have finished 6th overall after losing their classification game to Chinese Taipei 45-65. China as expected have claimed bronze over Korea 51-75

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Nz :(, lol not far away from relegation.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

North Korea relegated.

India moves up to division A.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Tip-off for the final not far away

Opals-Japan Boxscore

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Snell starting wtf.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Has been starting all tournament

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I know... but why?

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

She has been pretty good IMO

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James Harvey fan  
Two years ago

Mansfield getting it done. Griffin has been our best player in this one. Need to give our main 6-7 major minutes here, Japan are a smart team.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Tough going for much of that 2nd quarter but we got back on top late.
Griffin 14 & 5 getting it done again

39-33

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Seems the coach has gone with Ebzery before Lavey.
Hodges non existent.

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James Harvey fan  
Two years ago

Opals on top whenever Snell is out there, +14!

Blicavs hasnt done anything but I would give her some mins in the second half. Lavey seems to have almost fallen out of the rotation.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I wanna see the lineup of

Mansfield
Ebzery
Blicavs
Griffin
Tolo

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Griffin could pinch Mitchell's spot, and if Whitcomb s has another stellar wnbl season... could be interesting.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Man ... this quarter is a real struggle at both ends

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Knew this would happen.. gassed.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I shudder to think where we'd be without Kelsey Griffin. What a machine.

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Anon  
Two years ago

It will come down to what they need more a good PG in Mitchell, or a power player like Griffin

I think the PG may win as what we have here is well below par

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Against most non-Asian teams, Griffin is a tweener.
But in this tournament, like in the WNBL, her tweenerness gives her the best of both worlds because she can hold her own at the 4 spot at one end and out-quick her opponents at the other.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Not sure they know this is the final.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Griffin is going to know it was a final when she wakes up tomorrow and can barely move.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Mizushima now 7/9 threes. Someone might wanna keep an eye on her

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Two handed thrower as well. wtf

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hopefully the men go one better.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Kelsey is going to feel awful, tomorrow getting out of bed as well as putting the team on her shoulders and coming just short.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Love the neutral FIBA commentators.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Well ... I can't say we deserved to win that one, although the refs didn't do us too many favours. (I didn't think we deserved a bail-out call on the last play though)

Where's the "too easy" troll tonight btw?

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Wow no China in final. Too easy. Cakewalk.
LOL

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Surely that last shot by Snell should've drawn a foul..

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cummings with fouling 3 point - 2 times in a row totally turned the game.

Got owned by the refs in the last 2 minutes.

Snell jacking up rubbish in the last quarter when Griffin was unstoppable.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We should've won but sent an under strength team. You get what you put in.

Also what would these Asians do without the three point line. No 7/9 we win.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Griffin a worthy winner of tournament MVP. Even though we lost tonight, that performance really sealed it. She was massive.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So an Opal wins MVP but she's naturalised? lol, where is our development geez

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

#551 Would you like to have seen how far we got without her this tournament?

By that statement you don't seem to credit her as being a 'real Australian'

What a joke.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

> LOL

Exactly my reaction after the loss. Can't even win gold in Asia.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Gold if slob Cambage got off the couch.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

So an Opal wins MVP but she's naturalised? lol, where is our development geez
Playing in the WNBA.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

TIL the President of FIBA Asia is a sheikh

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah ok but Cambage isn't playing in it

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Anon  
Two years ago

The better team won for sure, even if it was by the 3pt line, men's games are often 3pt shoot outs.

will be interesting to see who will get the nod Griffin or Mitchell, if the end up throwing Cambage back in the line up, told will move to the 4 griffin probably pushed out to get a half decent PG in Mitchell

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

I don't know whether Steph Talbot & Bec Allen would have been the difference tonight, but they're in the right place to be developing right now.
It's the guard situation that is scary. Our best starting PG & SG are both naturalised, and both a level above the next best candidates.
We need to get more games into the rest, against quality competition.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Why is Mitchell a naturalised player, anyway? I recall Boti Nagy complaining about BA not bothering to have her classified correctly or something.

Would be bloody helpful to have both her and Whitcomb/Griffin.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No excuses, this group still should have been able to pull out a win.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

While the men's side is looking up.
The women's team is on the slide...

I said before that they looked disinterested, only Griffin was at full throttle.

3 of our top 4 players are naturalised.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

We don't need a big pf if Cambage is at centre.

The biggest issue is at pg.

I'm hoping a college kid comes through.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Get these u21 DPs around the team asap

Wehrung/Mangakahia
Wallace/Brewster
Sharp/Horvat
Smith/Froling
Scherf/Magbegor

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Snell 4/18 1/9 3 pt

Mansfield 27 mins 0 pts

Ebzery 33 mins 8 pts

Cumming 14 mins 3 pts

Blicavs only 8 mins

Smith only 10 mins

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Griffin 32 mins 30 pts, 15 rbds, 2 stls, 3 blks

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Anon  
Two years ago

Wonder if Brondello might look to get Philips back into the opals as part of the PG/SG roster, that might then allow Griffin to be the one naturalised player permitted


No college kid is going to be able to step into a PG position as court leader lets face it, they should have included Clydesdale in this mix, and Ohea instead of Kunek and Lavey

That would have been a far more productive lineup

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yes absolutely. Ohea and Clydesdale for Kunek and Lavey.
Also would have taken Scherf over hodges and Wallace over snell.

I disagree with the college guards not being able to lead.
People questioned the selection of 20 year old smith and she did great.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

More faith is required,

Wallace is 3 times the defender Mansfield and Lavey are.
Wehrung is well rounded but she's always been behind someone.
I've seen Mangakahia leave Clydesdale for dead, full court.

They might not be ready now, but at least see what they can do against 'the best' in camp.

I don't think they are as far off as people think.

Mitchell and Mansfield for 2018 sure, but I wouldn't guarantee them a place for 2020.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hopefully Cole has a great season.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Huge difference between Smith and a leading PG, yes Smith did really well in her position but she did not have to run a team , she just had to be in the right place and hold her ground, she has a bright future ahead

In what world would Mangakahia ever beat Clydesdale up the crt lol, Clydesdales like a greyhound with her foot speed

Forgot about Bec Cole, she's another handy player but she's been hampered by constant injury which has dropped her off the radar

Don't think they used Garrick to her full potential, and to be fair on Kunek they didn't run her in her 3 position, but even if they did I doubt she is opals material for the future.

Opals desperately need a good court leader at the point, and right now Mitchell is the only one that comes near that role.

But their are plenty coming through behind over the next few years, hopefully one of them will be able to become the floor general every team needs

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If Clydesdale is a greyhound, tiana is a cheetah.
I guarantee you that.
Just watch the game between the fire and Dandenong.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I'm not saying she's ready now btw but at least get her around the program.

U23
Clydesdale, wallace, Wehrung, Mangakahia, rocci, Reid, Conti. All of em.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That damn Ilaf made some dumb coaching errors in the big one, persisted with players who were putting up nothing. Snellu and Mansfield had 3 points between them.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Mansfield's job isn't really to score. Foul trouble is what killed her game last night. She'll learn from that. Lavey's injury was unfortunate timing because she was looking ok out there at the time.

Snell took a lot of shots because no one else was willing/able to. That's another problem in itself. We need some more proactive scorers on the wings.
To me it's all part of getting international experience into these players. Players new to the team like Cumming are naturally going to defer to the others, but in games like this they can't afford to. Everyone needs to look for their own shot (within their own limitations obviously)

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hurst done?

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Anon  
Two years ago

Who's Reid?

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Mansfield's 4th foul was very, very soft IMO - didn't seem like there was much contact, and if there was it looked after the shot & a whisker in it. A couple of the calls were a bit soft to me, and a few missed ones too but nothing we can do about that.

To me, it seemed that when Jap set a screen, our second defender was pretty slow on helping out and switching which resulted in a lot of their open threes. I mean it was happening almost every play in the second half, you'd think the coaches would've said something - or the players pick up on it.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What happened with pg hay?
Thought she was going to Colorado state last season.
Now kickin ass in some community college.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

My take on the 12:

Griffin - obviously awesome. These opponents suited her strengths perfectly. I so wish more players had her desire to win.

Tolo - quality as usual. Delivered exactly what she should have.

Smith - maybe the biggest positive of the tour for me. Not super quick, but she seemed composed and proactive. Bright future ahead.

Snell - more than justified her selection IMO. Shooting was off in the final, but she makes good decisions, and at 36 is out-hustling players virtually half her age. It's good for them to see that.

Mansfield - played herself to the starting PG spot and did well. Some of her play is do-or-die, but she will benefit from this experience and I hope she gets more.

Blicavs - I liked her mindset - she attacked the game. Looking ahead I'm just not sure her ability will stack up against better opponents, nor am I sure what position she can play against them, but playing her is how we find out.

Hodges - she was used as a backup 5 and that was weird. Never really stood a chance. I get why she was in the 12, but not at that position.

Ebzery - earned good minutes and was one of our better players. I like that Olaf tried her at the 1, but I'm not sure she quite works there. I'll be watching with interest this WNBL season.

Lavey - steady & safe is a positive but also a negative. Would be a better fit if surrounded by more scorers, but isn't, and doesn't really make meaningful things happen.

Cumming - Overdue inclusion in green & gold. Needs to find more than just spot-up shooting to succeed at Opals level, but I think earned herself further consideration.

Garrick - I liked her aggression so she was a positive IMO. Has always struck me as too streaky of a shooter, but we'll see what she can do this season.

Kunek - rarely touched the court, so hard to judge. Is she quick enough to play internationally as a 3 though? I'm dubious.


The great thing about experience like this for our WNBL players is that it highlights areas they need to work on. So we got our spot at the worlds, and we got some motivation for some players. The WNBL will be a strong comp this season so let's see who can elevate their game.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Mansfield's 4th foul was very, very soft IMO - didn't seem like there was much contact, and if there was it looked after the shot & a whisker in it.
True, but when you've got three why take that wild swipe in the first place? You're just asking for a foul, whether you make contact or not.

I'm hoping Cumming never gets around to filing that name-change paperwork, having two players named S Blicavs on the team is a recipe for confusion.

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

Great thoughts Luuuc, I think it will be interesting to see how these players who starred in the Asian style of play translate into playing against European/USA styles. Hopefully we get plenty of warm up games/tours heading into Spain next year to test out those on the cusp of selection.

In terms of the WC, as good as Griffin has been, I think we need Mitchell to be that naturalised player. Lavey and Mansfield are too unpredictable, I feel they could get burned if we went with that combo against full strength teams at the WC. That naturalised spot will definitely be the toughest call to make on that WC 12 next year.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What are people's thoughts on Romeo?
Having a good seabl season.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Think Mansfield was unlucky to pick up that fourth foul, if you watch the tape, she literally just has a hand up, Japanese p,Ayer jumps forward as Mansfield jumps up, it's the downward action after the shot where you can see Mansfield finger tips almost touch the arm of Japan's shooter,
Crap call, but they are the ones you have to wear

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

@ Koberulz I think we might be thinking of different fouls - I thought Cumming was the one who twice fouled 3pt attempts. I really felt bad for her, to let it happen once - okay, but twice in a row was inexcusable. iirc Mansfield's 4th foul was on a fast break just under the basket.

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BOB  
Two years ago

Been a busy week for the Mangakahia family.

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BOB  
Two years ago

Been a busy week for the Mangakahia family.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

hahaha yes it has been nice to have them here

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Melb Fan  
Two years ago

I feel like Romeo flies under the radar because she's constantly hidden away in Europe and no one ever hears of her. I wish she'd come back to the WNBL so we could see how she stacks up against the Aussie point guards.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Romeo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hLiXgt2vta4

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

averaged 13.5 points 2.5 assists 3.5 turnovers in spain last season starting for a .500 team.

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Anon  
Two years ago

She's also going to be in her 30s in 2020 , think Australia needs some young blood

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Olympics 2016 top 5

Points
C Cambage 23.5
SF Taylor 13.2 (retired)
PG Mitchell 11.3
C Tolo 7.2
SF Jarry 5

Rebounds
C Cambage 10.3
SF Taylor 4.7 (retired)
C Tolo 4.5
PG Mitchell 3
PF George 2.2

Assists
SF Taylor 5.5
PG Mitchell 4.5
SG Phillips 3.2
PG Lavey 2.5
SF Jarry 1.7


Basically the only decent contributers for the whole Olympic campaign were Cambage, Taylor and Mitchell.
Taylor is now retired.

How many points can we get out of the new 2/3/4s?
The only person capable of putting up big points other than Cambage is probably Whitcomb.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So was this tournament a successor failure? For me it was a fail.

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Anon  
Two years ago

Think it showed clear,y the weaknesses within the opals squad and selection process

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Option 1
Mitchell/Mansfield
Ohea/Cumming/CG
Talbot/Allen
Blicavs/Smith
Cambage/Tolo/Bunton

Option 2
Mansfield/Clydesdale
Whitcomb/Cumming/CG
Talbot/Allen
Blicavs/Smith
Cambage/Tolo/Bunton

Option 3
Mansfield/Clydesdale
Ohea/Cumming/CG
Talbot/Allen
Griffin/Blicavs
Cambage/Tolo/Bunton

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The goal was to qualify for the world cup with our B team. They achieved this. Move on, nothing to see here.

Anyone who thinks this group failed is narrow minded and doesn't have any idea about the big picture.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What's the big picture?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago


Success at Worlds. Who cares about winning the meaningless Asia Cup. Now we select our A team for Worlds. Whats more important, winning Asia or winning Worlds? The answer is easy

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

And what's our A team look like?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Not like this team

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Anon  
Two years ago

Well actually the Asia cup was just as important because if they didn't qualify they wouldn't be taking their "A" team anywhere, and I think this has shown they can no longer rest on their laurels, and need to take these tournaments seriously, which means those "A" team p,ayers need to make themselves available in future.

Japan and China are both on the rise with their women's basketball, NZ found out the hard way, that can quite easily be Australia in years to come.

Australia need to start developing their younger players now, get them on the courts in WNBL, stop over playing the older players in the likes of SEABL, or they will end up like NZ.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

"So was this tournament a successor failure? For me it was a fail."

I thought it went exactly to script.
Top 4 was always going to be fairly safe as long as we sent a decent team, but winning it was never going to be a sure thing.
In terms of what we saw from the players, there were few surprises to me either. The quality stood up, and the newer players at times showed why they were good enough to be selected, but also why they've got a way to go to cement a place in the full strength team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

As suggested only had to make top 4. Nothing else mattered. They made top 4 without a sweat.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

means nothing...

I'm pretty sure BA and the players don't think that.

It also helps with points for world rankings which gets you better seedlings in the World Cup. Do you want to end up facing USA or Spain in the group stage?

We are currently ranked 4th. Drop a few more points and we will be facing USA, Spain or France in the first round.

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LC  
Two years ago

I think the Opals hit the mark in this tournament.

They went to within a whisker of winning, but more importantly qualified for 2018 World Cup.

Some big things to come out of this include the emergence of:

- Kelsey Griffin
- Alanna Smith
- Lauren Mansfield
- The Blicavs' sisters (in-law)

I would have preferred to see someone like Kristy Wallace in the team in place of Snell who will not be around for 2020.

I think the clock is on Hodges, Lavey and Garrick, while Kunek will struggle to make the World Cup team if everyone is available for selection.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hit the mark?
Going in, most people were saying that it was a crap tournament because we would breeze through.

Personally I think bringing in snell and hodges was a mistake. Taking away Experience from the young,up,and comers. Wallace and Scherf deserved spots.
I was also not a fan of laveys selection when Clydesdale was available.

2/3 players showed promise but the other 1/3 will,never represent Aus again in my opinion.

Mansfield, cumming, Ebzery, Garrick, Blicavs, Griffin, smith, Tolo
5 of these could play until the 2020 Olympics, 2 until 2024.

Lavey, snell, Kunek, hodges last time putting on the green and gold.

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very old  
Two years ago

Lavey - doesn't really make meaningful things happen.


Agreed

The goal was to qualify for the world cup with our B team. They achieved this. Move on, nothing to see here.


mastly Agreed except that I think that any of last years Olympic players who made this group HAD to significxantly dominate in their positions both against their direct opposition, and also to make the load easyier for the team.

I don't think Lavey or Hodges did that, I think they are both done

Those who were not Olympic opals were given a chance to having a red hot go at showing what they could bring to the table in the worlds and olympics for the next 4 years - really only Griffin and possibly Smith and Mansfield did that , Ezerby's get a case to put during the WNBL season and in the camps,


Opals on top whenever Snell is out there, +14!


Snell - more than justified her selection IMO. Shooting was off in the final, but she makes good decisions, and at 36 is out-hustling players virtually half her age. It's good for them to see that.


Snell is out there making a statement IMHO , its basically " we all know that Snelly not going to be representing Oz in the next olympics, but if YOU can't get yourself up to comprehensivley takeon THIS old warhorse in the camps then you ain't going to go either, and IF she ends up chewing up and spitting out EVERY under 35yo Sg/Sf in the squad, well she'll have earnt a spot.,"

Hodges failed to do the same job, and Lavey is just an invitation for every parent of a junior to plug their daughter as the next saviour, thankfully Heal's not in this coaching group.

Young pups look good but you need someone who will step up and get it done, or at least try a lot harder than some. Too many under the last coach were essentially promised a ride because of their potential.

Sandy will basically say - you all have a chance to prove to me you want it and are better then any other option.

Philips is available for international selection, and Hurst is almost 100% recovered from injury, I can see either of them tearing Lavey up fairly consistently , and possibly some other PGs as well. If nothing else they will push those others to a higher standard than Joyce did.

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Hogwash  
Two years ago

Opals are done very simple,disgrace not winning this, even when we send a B squad as did the rest of Asia . Not winning this is the biggest joke. Sterling and the CEO need to go, the program has gone backwards. The selection of new head coaoxh and her husband and not 100 committed to all tournaments is ridiculous! With a B team we should have dominated . Snell and hodges should never have got a call up and having selection camps in the US is a mind blowing. Make matters worst u19 went sh#t... what is going on with the program and direction I see to be in a very bad way. Jan and CEO need to go for this momentous stuff up

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Tissue princess? Maybe get a grip lol

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Agree Hogwash. Pathetic really.

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Hogwash  
Two years ago

Tissues happy take, to we need results more than ever, women's basketball is under threat in this country with netball (on tv) and WAFL (also on tv) . We need results not half programs of part time coaches and a leader of the program who are clearly failing ie CEO hasnt got the game on TV and the coaching appointments all levels ... so I will take the tissues as I can see our women's program facing totally destruction!!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Rot starts from the head. What did governments do for our internationally most successful major team sport over the years ? When they parked a politically ruined Kristina
"Quitter" Keneally as BA CEO it was all obvious. What exactly are prospects of life therefore motivations to become an elite player in OZ other than hoping to have that illusive overseas career? Questions bigger than BA's selections of coaches, players..it is who selects BA and how.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What was the #1 propriety from the Asian Cup?

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koberulz  
Two years ago

CEO hasnt got the game on TV
What?

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very old  
Two years ago

Yes Hogwash, the U19 went "$h!t" and so you want the senior opals coaching group to be sacked after their first 4 months in the job...........Go for it.

It would seem that's being spoken by someone who has never successfully represented their state or the country either as a player or a coach, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

The group that went to the Asian cup did well, they did not win the Final, and while on 'reputation" they should have, that "reputation" was built by the (generally) 12 of the 16 best players in the country, over the last 20+ years, in world , Olympic and WNBA not the best of the rest left after you take the best 15+ or so out, and after you have seen the recent retirement of one of the two best players the country has ever had in PT..

They did well,we qualified and that's what was required.

What was also required IMHO was a real world reality check on some fringe ( or not considered fringe) players In that respect it was a very successful "shakedown" of a number of hopefulls , who either furthered their case for selection consideration further down the track, or had their somewhat suspect prior selections put under pressure that made it clear that without a significant lift in their current or future potential performance, they are probably done.

None of that would have happened if we had sent out top 12/15 and had a thundering victory in every game. That would have been pointless.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

There are some legit concerns amongst all the over the top hyperbole. During the USA-Matilda match the other day it was mentioned soccer is now the sport most Australian girls are enrolled in, followed by netball. This and with the rise of AFLW I don't feel confident basketball getting the best athletes anymore, combined with some strange decisions in the BA offices, it doesn't look a heaping pile of future gold (or silver, bronze) aspirations.

I would be interested in hearing an explanation for hiring a part time coach for a full time position, and how she was later able to appoint her husband and mate after BA made assistant appointments, and how he ended as the main guy on the bench...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

They should have made more buckets

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Actually I take that back. They should have conceded fewer buckets.

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Anon  
Two years ago

"I would be interested in hearing an explanation for hiring a part time coach for a full time position, and how she was later able to appoint her husband and mate after BA made assistant appointments, and how he ended as the main guy on the bench..."

Think so would the rest of the population that follow women's basketball, their should be an inquiry into just how that has been allowed to happen.

Took Gorris out of un19s to be assistant for Opals and he was basically the water boy.

and look how well that just panned out!

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Seems kind of straight-forward to me that once the Brondello for coach rumours started bouncing around, and then there was the long delay while details were finalised, that the discussions would have centred around the balancing of her existing commitments to Phoenix and Ekaterinburg.

Also seems kind of straight-forward to me that Olaf would have been a part of the agreed remedy to those issues.

Personally that sits just fine with me. It is basically his system that she is running anyway. They have co-coached together in both the WNBA and Euroleague. There's literally no better person to run with her system when she is unavailable than he is.
So once they decided on Sandy, then the only thing I would have questioned would have been if they had picked anyone *other than* Olaf to fill in in her absence.

Then again, I don't think the sky is falling every 5 minutes, so I know that I'm in the minority around here much of the time.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That's all well and good, except that Olaf was a very ordinary WNBL coach and he has an excellent one sitting next to him in Cheryl Chambers. We were sold Brondello, Chambers, Gorriss, in that order and then we somehow end up with Olaf???

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

World Cup teams for next year...

Hosts
Spain

Olympic winners
USA

Eurobasket
France
Belgium
Greece
Latvia
Turkey

Asia Cup
Australia
Korea
China
Japan

Likely
Ameri Cup
Canada
Brazil
Argentina

Likely
Afrobasket
Mali
Senegal

If every country is able to bring a full strength side.
Australia would fall behind the USA, Spain, France, Belgium and possibly Canada, Japan and turkey.

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

That's all well and good, except that Olaf was a very ordinary WNBL coach and he has an excellent one sitting next to him in Cheryl Chambers. We were sold Brondello, Chambers, Gorriss, in that order and then we somehow end up with Olaf???


I think you're missing the point.
All Olaf had to do was keep Sandy's directions to the players consistent for the 1 week of that tournament, and finish top 4. He did that, so job done as far as I am concerned.

Whether Sandy should have been given the job in the first place is another matter. I've never really been sold on her, but that's the decision that was made so that's what we're working with. That's not going to change.
I rate Chambers, but if she is the assistant under Sandy then I don't see a problem with her also being assistant under Sandy's identical fill-in. In many ways it's probably better this way because her role and responsibilities remain unchanged.

I don't know or particularly care what "we" were sold. If the assistants were sold something different then that would be problematic.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So why not have BA name Brondellolaf as co-coaches if that's what is what? And if an assistant coach can't pick up a head coach's "system" and have the confidence to lead them to a top 4 finish in a weak region, what does that say about confidence in those assistants? And really, what does that say about the possibility of players picking up the system after the (probably) two week-long training camps before Spain?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What irks me is Olaf isn't named anywhere or given official credit. WTF? Sexist!

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Anon  
Two years ago

Olaf might know Brondello coaching style, but all coaching g is subject to,change depending on the opposition, unless he had a Brondello in his ear the whole time, the decisions he made were his own.

Where is he listed as the official coach, surely FIBA would require him listed somewhere, if so why is he not listed on BA site as official coaching staff

And why have assistants if you just going to over ride them, let's hope he is down as official somewhere,

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

What irks me is Olaf isn't named anywhere or given official credit. WTF? Sexist!


Yeah, but he gets to fly business class :p

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Anon  
Two years ago

He'll be the silent partner in the background

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